redman
Footballguy
No, and as a 'Skins fan I think it's excessive. Put it on the 'Skins' helmets and leave it at that.
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Bonginator
Footballguy
i know it wasn't done for Marquis Hill
Phlash
Footballguy
Exactly, only the teammates were the ones who bore the number of the fallen player.I'm not sure that I think this is a good idea, making EVERY player wear 21.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have avoided this thread like the plague but I just can't not post on here.
Sean Taylor was one of the all time best to ever wear a Canes Jersey...his NFL career cut short unfortunately. As a lifelong Miami Hurricanes fan and now having my wife work for the University as well, the campus was pretty eery today. I don't know what he did to deserve that kind of horrific end to his life and while many in here want to ride that dark bandwagon and speculate, I can't. I do know that he was great in the community and did a lot for people that were less fortunate than him. Gibbs was right, Sean Taylor was made to play football.
I hope the board can just let it go at that.
RIP Sean
Sean Taylor was one of the all time best to ever wear a Canes Jersey...his NFL career cut short unfortunately. As a lifelong Miami Hurricanes fan and now having my wife work for the University as well, the campus was pretty eery today. I don't know what he did to deserve that kind of horrific end to his life and while many in here want to ride that dark bandwagon and speculate, I can't. I do know that he was great in the community and did a lot for people that were less fortunate than him. Gibbs was right, Sean Taylor was made to play football.
I hope the board can just let it go at that.
RIP Sean
GregR_2
Footballguy
After a lot of searching, I believe I'm correct in saying that there is no provision in the CBA that deals specifically with player death. So it would probably be handled under the same conditions for any other non-football injury:
Assuming the team wouldn't engage in the callous act of trying to recoup some of his signing bonus, the amount they paid him would have to hit their cap next year, the same as for any other situation where a player leaves a team. That's as far as I know and in agreement with what I've found from googling. Though I didn't find anything from a truly definitive source, it all came from amateur readers of the CBA like myself.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
RIP Sean Taylor.
If God himself were to make a safety, he couldn't do better than Sean Taylor.
I never met the man, but when I woke up this morning, I somehow "knew" he had passed. It was very eery.
I wish the best for his family, and it won't be the same watching the Skins play, knowing that Taylor will never be on the field again. What a horrible tragedy.
If God himself were to make a safety, he couldn't do better than Sean Taylor.
I never met the man, but when I woke up this morning, I somehow "knew" he had passed. It was very eery.
I wish the best for his family, and it won't be the same watching the Skins play, knowing that Taylor will never be on the field again. What a horrible tragedy.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Thanks for doing the searching. I could not find anything either. Overall just curious.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
As a lifelong Skins fan, I have never been so emotional over the loss of someone I didn't even know. I followed Taylor as a freshman at Miami and was immediately drawn to his passion and flare for the game. It was a dream come true the day the Skins drafted him and now this is an unbelievable nightmare. My heart goes out to the Taylor family and his teammates past and present. I'll never forget Sean Taylor. RIP #21
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
edited: See Joe's wishes to keep this debate out of this thread.
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redman
Footballguy
There's a huge 8+ page thread in the FFA on this. Please take this there.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Very sad. 
I wasn't a fan of Sean Taylor for his past transgressions but he did not deserve this fate at all. It's good to know that he did turn his life around and was headed down the right path, makes it even worse that it ends like this for him. The Redskins will have a real tough time replacing this guy, he was truly in the highest tier of safeties in the NFL.
RIP Sean Taylor
I wasn't a fan of Sean Taylor for his past transgressions but he did not deserve this fate at all. It's good to know that he did turn his life around and was headed down the right path, makes it even worse that it ends like this for him. The Redskins will have a real tough time replacing this guy, he was truly in the highest tier of safeties in the NFL.
RIP Sean Taylor
Help me remember. Didn't they do this league wide for one week with Pat Tillman's number? But just one week for everyone? Wasn't Jake Plummer wanting to continue wearing it what caused the problem?J
Rogi
Footballguy
Michael Wilbon isn't trying to make friends. He would have been banned in the Shark Pool for these comments:
McLean, Va.: Will your opinion of Taylor change if this does not turn out to be a random incident (e.g. home invasion)?
Michael Wilbon: No ... people's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7112000544.html
McLean, Va.: Will your opinion of Taylor change if this does not turn out to be a random incident (e.g. home invasion)?
Michael Wilbon: No ... people's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7112000544.html
redman
Footballguy
That sounds right, Joe. The thing is, Tillman had forgone millions in NFL salary to go serve his country and died in the field, a very honorable thing. Taylor is a simple crime victim. I don't see them as being equivalent in terms of how much the NFL needs to honor them, and I'm obviously not bashing Taylor here.
I understand. Different situations for sure. Was just trying to remember precedent there. I personally would say making every player on every team wear a decal is too much. Just feels more right to me to keep this to a Washington thing.J
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You're right about everyone wearing the number and it was for one week, while the Cardinals wore it the entire year, as well as retired the number. Jake, continuing to wear the number, did cause an issue with the No Fun League. from wiki
On Sunday, September 19, 2004, all teams of the NFL wore a memorial decal on their helmets in honor of Pat Tillman. The Arizona Cardinals continued to wear this decal throughout the 2004 season. Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer requested to also wear the decal for the entire season but the NFL turned him down saying his helmet would not be uniform with the rest of the Denver Broncos. Plummer would later grow a full beard and his hair long in honor of Tillman, who had such a style in the NFL before cutting his hair and shaving his beard off to fit military uniform guidelines. Plummer, now retired in the NFL, has since gone back to cutting his hair short but maintains the beard.
But honoring Tillman is a whole different story, the guy died for our country. I don't think this is the right thing to do with Taylor, especially with so many questions surrounding his death and if a less than stellar past played a role in it.
In a worst case scenario, this whole thing could blow up in the face of the NFL like a mini version of WWE/Chris Benoit if the truth comes out and that truth paints Taylor in a less than favorable light. He obviously didn't kill anyone, like Benoit did, but the NFL is doing everything it can to seperate itself from a thug image and if being a thug played a role in his death, it would be foolish for the league to honor him as a whole.
If I were Goodell, I would allow the Redskins to do what they want to honor him for the season. I would also allow a one week pass for any players from other teams to pay their respects on gameday with a decal, or something within reason, while not mandating that everyone does it.
redman
Footballguy
I'm not worried about PR blowback here - it's tough to imagine anything remotely similar to Benoit here - but I agree with the rest of what you say.
I think this is the right answer. J
certificate
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Wilbon is saying that Sean taylor isn't a saint or a thug. In death some with deflect any criticism or forget transgressions of an individual while others will paint the deceased as a bad guy who got what he had coming to him. Neither of these depictions is true and both are unfair and inaccurate, Sean Taylor is no different. He made some mistakes but also did some great things in his short life. Wilbon's point makes sense to me, even if it comes off as callous to some.
geoff8695
Footballguy
There's a mighty big difference between Wilbon saying he's not surprised because of Sean's background, and some shark pool tool saying that Sean 'got what he deserved'. I'm not a Wilbon apologist, but IMO this wouldn't have gotten him banned. I think Wilbon is making a connection between violence and thuggery in society and how pervasive it is becoming in pop culture and carrying over to the high profile lifestyles of celebrity and/or professional athletics. It's an alarming trend that has become frequent enough that it no longer surprises him. At least that's how I'm taking it...
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
RIP 
fatness
Footballguy
You're right in that regard. What makes conversation a bit difficult right after a death is the level of emotion involved. Grieving pretty much has to happen then, not weeks later, whereas criticism will keep until any time in the future.
yinzer
Footballguy
I started reading this thread thinking that Sean Taylor, despite this incident, would be back on the field again. Maybe thats TV distorting things, or even the hospital, but I expected him to play again.
That obviously is not the case. I'll admit, I never held him in the highest regards as a person, but he wasn't on the Pacman or Chris Henry rung (maybe 1 or 2 below). Despite that, I always respected him as a player.
I think I speak in the majority when I say Im not a Skins fan, nor a U Miami fan, but this is just tragic. I think the fact that he was probably a Top 5 Safety makes this bigger news than Darrent Williams is justified, but this man was shot down in his own house. I wont bring up things getting cameras, security guards, a posse up because it really pointless. You really shouldnt need that to live your life. If ST's case, I think I may be wrong.
I think probably his past did catch up with him. This was no burglary, if it was, they woulda stole the stuff 5 days or whatever ago when they were there first. In my mind, they went in there trying to get Taylor, maybe Im wrong, but either way I hope they get the bastads.
Hopefully though, this death is not in vain and future players, whether professional or college, remember this and leave their past far, far behind them.
RIP SEAN TAYLOR...JACK 'EM UP
That obviously is not the case. I'll admit, I never held him in the highest regards as a person, but he wasn't on the Pacman or Chris Henry rung (maybe 1 or 2 below). Despite that, I always respected him as a player.
I think I speak in the majority when I say Im not a Skins fan, nor a U Miami fan, but this is just tragic. I think the fact that he was probably a Top 5 Safety makes this bigger news than Darrent Williams is justified, but this man was shot down in his own house. I wont bring up things getting cameras, security guards, a posse up because it really pointless. You really shouldnt need that to live your life. If ST's case, I think I may be wrong.
I think probably his past did catch up with him. This was no burglary, if it was, they woulda stole the stuff 5 days or whatever ago when they were there first. In my mind, they went in there trying to get Taylor, maybe Im wrong, but either way I hope they get the bastads.
Hopefully though, this death is not in vain and future players, whether professional or college, remember this and leave their past far, far behind them.
RIP SEAN TAYLOR...JACK 'EM UP
Rogi
Footballguy
Yes, I have. The comment about being banned in the Shark Pool was sarcasm. JohnnyU said essentially the same thing as Wilbon in fewer words and was shut down earlier. I think he was saying what 90% of you are thinking but are afraid to say.
Rozelle
Moderator
I think the decal thing, (with every team wearing them this week), could have alot to do with the Miami connection. There are so many Miami players scattered throughout the league, and you know they're a very close nit group. Players throughout the league want to do something in memory of Sean. Whats wrong with that? He was/is simply a more popular player than some of the other young NFL men, who have tradgically lost their lives. It happens all the time, when your well-known, they are more people effected, and it doesn't matter what your profession is.
Young 8
Footballguy
maxwell1295
Footballguy
I heard on the radio that the "21" patch will be worn by the Redskins for the rest of the year. There was no mention of the entire league wearing the patch. Also found this on Yahoo:
"Redskins owner Dan Snyder said his players will remember Taylor by wearing a patch on their jerseys and the safety's No. 21 on their helmets when they return to the field. "
"Redskins owner Dan Snyder said his players will remember Taylor by wearing a patch on their jerseys and the safety's No. 21 on their helmets when they return to the field. "
Please don't feel any need to speak for me or what I was thinking. Because you are dead wrong. 90% of us are saying EXACTLY what we think, that this is a traggic loss. We aren't interested is appointing blame right now.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
why would he not last in the Shark Pool?!Rogi said:
Taylor was a thug until maybe 2 years ago..he has a criminal past, and allegations of assault and brandishing a weapon(handgun) at a crowd of people, and illegal possession of a handgun, etc..all Wilbon was saying is, 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', and he's 100% correct..
was there a moment of silence for that person who was killed by Ray Lewis' friend during the SB week a few years ago?
was there a moment of silence in St Louis for the woman ( a mother and wife) who was killed by a drunk driver who happened to be the Rams DE, Leonard Little?
was there a moment of silence across the NFL , for Rodney Culver, after he tragically lost his life in that ValuJet crash in Florida years ago?
Frankly, some of these posts in here, are much worse than anything Wilbon said..we have people saying 'I've watched him play football since he was a freshman at the U, he was great!'..`I'm saddened as a Redskins fan` bla bla bla.is that ALL people care about,that he was a good football player?! would they care about his death had he NOT played football?! what would ST be doing if he was not in the NFL? he'd probably be doing what he's always done, running with the criminals and the felons..
there's a lot more to life, than football..we don't need to put people on pedestals because they are athletes. we shouldn't excuse their misdeeds simply because they are athletes or because they are famous..he CHOSE to live that lifestyle, no one forced him into it.its a tragedy for sure, no doubt about it... but as Wilbon says, hardly a surprising...
I can understand a moment of silence across the NFL for Tillman, but for Sean Taylor? not so much...
dgreen
Footballguy
Yes, I think Snyder simply misspoke at one point in yesterday's PC. The Redskins will wear a 21 on their jersey and helmet. The entire league will have a moment of silence before every game.I heard the Cowboys have asked the Redskins if it would be okay to wear 21 on their helmets tomorrow night. The Cowboys and their fans are making it pretty hard to hate them the last couple days.
fatness
Footballguy
Since we're telling the truth here, no, JohnnyU didn't say the same thing at all. Wilbon wrote a (at least minimally) thoughtful column. Johnny spit one insult. To be even more clear: Wilbon's column essentially says Taylor's death wasn't surprising to him. JohnnyU's comment essentially said Taylor deserved it.
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
Seriously dude.......if this happened to Ware or TNew I would be a mess. All (OK 98% of us) Cowboys fans just want to show you guys we care. The rivalry is heated yes, but based on respect as well. It's very much like sibling rivalry lots of angst and respect. I am really proud of our fans and the whole organization for how we have reacted to this. There was some smattering of talk that R Will was going to ask Jones to switch #'s for his 21 for this game. I don't think it's going to happen. Rest assured the Cowboys will set the tone for the week and give ST his proper and due recognition. So sad though. Better days ahead DGreen!!!Hang in there bud.Yes, I think Snyder simply misspoke at one point in yesterday's PC. The Redskins will wear a 21 on their jersey and helmet. The entire league will have a moment of silence before every game.I heard the Cowboys have asked the Redskins if it would be okay to wear 21 on their helmets tomorrow night. The Cowboys and their fans are making it pretty hard to hate them the last couple days.
fatness
Footballguy
The Miami Herald says police have no leads yet, but have upgraded the urgency of their investigation (naturally) since it's no longer a breakin investigation but is a homicide investigation.
Also.
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fatness
Footballguy
There are kind and decent people who are Cowboy fans, and fans of every team. Millions of them.I heard the Cowboys have asked the Redskins if it would be okay to wear 21 on their helmets tomorrow night. The Cowboys and their fans are making it pretty hard to hate them the last couple days.
Warpig
Footballguy
I just had to say something since there is alot of speculation out there as to how things played out:
One story says his home was broken into approx 1 week earlier but nothing was taken...just rifled through some drawers and, not sure how accurate this is, they left a knife on his pillow...a sign that this wasn't a random act?
A few things strike me as
here...if it was a robbery, why was nothing taken? Could these have been people that Taylor knew and they were looking for something specific? They broke in (is there even any proof that the house was "broken" into on the first incident?) and took nothing? Did they have access to the house? Hmmmmm...
Another story says on the second "break in" Taylor heard some jostling downstairs so he got up to lock the bedroom door. News crews say the phone wires were "cut" but police say they weren't. Yet Taylors girlfriend couldn't get the home phones to work and she could only get a line using her cell phone?
Why would Taylor be trying to lock the door? I'm sure he had a handgun in his home, why not reach for that? Perhaps he knew the people that were in his home so he didn't want to resort to using a gun?
Reports say he got a knife (or machete) before trying to lock the door. How many people keep a machete under their bed or in a nighstand?!?!? Especially with toddlers in the house!
Something just ain't right here. I don't think it was a random act of robbery at all. I think these were people that had some beef with Taylor from some prior events and they came to kill him...plain and simple. They snuck in at night to kill him in his sleep but when they realized he was at his bedroom door they got scared and started "shooting sloppy" as they were running away. The stories aren't adding up.
It's sad that he had to pass in such a horrible way. That bullet hit the most vital part of his leg...a lucky/unlucky shot.
This is truly sad and disturbing and I hope they get all the facts they need to put these people behind bars!
One story says his home was broken into approx 1 week earlier but nothing was taken...just rifled through some drawers and, not sure how accurate this is, they left a knife on his pillow...a sign that this wasn't a random act?
A few things strike me as
here...if it was a robbery, why was nothing taken? Could these have been people that Taylor knew and they were looking for something specific? They broke in (is there even any proof that the house was "broken" into on the first incident?) and took nothing? Did they have access to the house? Hmmmmm...Another story says on the second "break in" Taylor heard some jostling downstairs so he got up to lock the bedroom door. News crews say the phone wires were "cut" but police say they weren't. Yet Taylors girlfriend couldn't get the home phones to work and she could only get a line using her cell phone?
Why would Taylor be trying to lock the door? I'm sure he had a handgun in his home, why not reach for that? Perhaps he knew the people that were in his home so he didn't want to resort to using a gun?
Reports say he got a knife (or machete) before trying to lock the door. How many people keep a machete under their bed or in a nighstand?!?!? Especially with toddlers in the house!
Something just ain't right here. I don't think it was a random act of robbery at all. I think these were people that had some beef with Taylor from some prior events and they came to kill him...plain and simple. They snuck in at night to kill him in his sleep but when they realized he was at his bedroom door they got scared and started "shooting sloppy" as they were running away. The stories aren't adding up.
It's sad that he had to pass in such a horrible way. That bullet hit the most vital part of his leg...a lucky/unlucky shot.
This is truly sad and disturbing and I hope they get all the facts they need to put these people behind bars!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It is legal to bare arms in this country still, yes? His father is thepolice chief for a city down here in South Florida so he probably grew up around guns most of his life...I don't want to start a fight but I think your opinion of Sean Taylor is short sighted...he also entered the NFL at age 20 IIRC so he was pretty young too. I guess being young, rich, having the world in the palm of your hand...you would never make a mistake with that kind of POV...as you were.why would he not last in the Shark Pool?!Rogi said:Taylor was a thug until maybe 2 years ago..he has a criminal past, and allegations of assault and brandishing a weapon(handgun) at a crowd of people, and illegal possession of a handgun,
etc..all Wilbon was saying is, 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', and he's 100% correct..
was there a moment of silence for that person who was killed by Ray Lewis' friend during the SB week a few years ago?
was there a moment of silence in St Louis for the woman ( a mother and wife) who was killed by a drunk driver who happened to be the Rams DE, Leonard Little?
was there a moment of silence across the NFL , for Rodney Culver, after he tragically lost his life in that ValuJet crash in Florida years ago?
Frankly, some of these posts in here, are much worse than anything Wilbon said..we have people saying 'I've watched him play football since he was a freshman at the U, he was great!'..`I'm saddened as a Redskins fan` bla bla bla.is that ALL people care about,that he was a good football player?! would they care about his death had he NOT played football?! what would ST be doing if he was not in the NFL? he'd probably be doing what he's always done, running with the criminals and the felons..
there's a lot more to life, than football..we don't need to put people on pedestals because they are athletes. we shouldn't excuse their misdeeds simply because they are athletes or because they are famous..he CHOSE to live that lifestyle, no one forced him into it.its a tragedy for sure, no doubt about it... but as Wilbon says, hardly a surprising...
I can understand a moment of silence across the NFL for Tillman, but for Sean Taylor? not so much...
Ah yes, what a very "dumb" thing to do to leave a GAME to go defend our FREEDOM!
Young 8
Footballguy
post of the yearwhy would he not last in the Shark Pool?!
Taylor was a thug until maybe 2 years ago..he has a criminal past, and allegations of assault and brandishing a weapon(handgun) at a crowd of people, and illegal possession of a handgun, etc..
all Wilbon was saying is, 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', and he's 100% correct..
was there a moment of silence for that person who was killed by Ray Lewis' friend during the SB week a few years ago?
was there a moment of silence in St Louis for the woman ( a mother and wife) who was killed by a drunk driver who happened to be the Rams DE, Leonard Little?
was there a moment of silence across the NFL , for Rodney Culver, after he tragically lost his life in that ValuJet crash in Florida years ago?
Frankly, some of these posts in here, are much worse than anything Wilbon said..we have people saying 'I've watched him play football since he was a freshman at the U, he was great!'..`I'm saddened as a Redskins fan` bla bla bla.is that ALL people care about,that he was a good football player?! would they care about his death had he NOT played football?! what would ST be doing if he was not in the NFL? he'd probably be doing what he's always done, running with the criminals and the felons..
there's a lot more to life, than football..we don't need to put people on pedestals because they are athletes. we shouldn't excuse their misdeeds simply because they are athletes or because they are famous..he CHOSE to live that lifestyle, no one forced him into it.its a tragedy for sure, no doubt about it... but as Wilbon says, hardly a surprising...
I can understand a moment of silence across the NFL for Tillman, but for Sean Taylor? not so much...
redman
Footballguy
Seriously dude.......if this happened to Ware or TNew I would be a mess. All (OK 98% of us) Cowboys fans just want to show you guys we care. The rivalry is heated yes, but based on respect as well. It's very much like sibling rivalry lots of angst and respect. I am really proud of our fans and the whole organization for how we have reacted to this. There was some smattering of talk that R Will was going to ask Jones to switch #'s for his 21 for this game. I don't think it's going to happen. Rest assured the Cowboys will set the tone for the week and give ST his proper and due recognition. So sad though. Better days ahead DGreen!!!Hang in there bud.Yes, I think Snyder simply misspoke at one point in yesterday's PC. The Redskins will wear a 21 on their jersey and helmet. The entire league will have a moment of silence before every game.I heard the Cowboys have asked the Redskins if it would be okay to wear 21 on their helmets tomorrow night. The Cowboys and their fans are making it pretty hard to hate them the last couple days.
I'm amazed at how the Dallas fans have come through with support on this one. It's very moving actually. And yes, I mean to single them out because it's been more of a unanimous response with them than with any other bloc of NFL fans I'm aware of, and it's even more startling that it's one of our team's rival fan bases. To quote Shakespeare, "And do as adversaries do in law, Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends." -The Taming of the Shrew.I 
me some star. And we're still going to kick your butts on December 30! 
dgreen
Footballguy
I wouldn't say I'm amazed in the sense that I wouldn't expect support from them. But, the level of support is somewhat amazing. As you say, it's very meaningful coming from that organization.Man, I hate them.Seriously dude.......if this happened to Ware or TNew I would be a mess. All (OK 98% of us) Cowboys fans just want to show you guys we care. The rivalry is heated yes, but based on respect as well. It's very much like sibling rivalry lots of angst and respect. I am really proud of our fans and the whole organization for how we have reacted to this. There was some smattering of talk that R Will was going to ask Jones to switch #'s for his 21 for this game. I don't think it's going to happen. Rest assured the Cowboys will set the tone for the week and give ST his proper and due recognition. So sad though. Better days ahead DGreen!!!Hang in there bud.Yes, I think Snyder simply misspoke at one point in yesterday's PC. The Redskins will wear a 21 on their jersey and helmet. The entire league will have a moment of silence before every game.I heard the Cowboys have asked the Redskins if it would be okay to wear 21 on their helmets tomorrow night. The Cowboys and their fans are making it pretty hard to hate them the last couple days.I'm amazed at how the Dallas fans have come through with support on this one. It's very moving actually. And yes, I mean to single them out because it's been more of a unanimous response with them than with any other bloc of NFL fans I'm aware of, and it's even more startling that it's one of our team's rival fan bases. To quote Shakespeare, "And do as adversaries do in law, Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends." -The Taming of the Shrew.I
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
What has happened is that some details have been released by different parties ---- the police, Taylor's former lawyer, etc. And all the details in the press naturally aren't matching up yet. The latest understanding that I have of the events you mention is that:The knife was "found" on a bed after the first breakin.I just had to say something since there is alot of speculation out there as to how things played out:
One story says his home was broken into approx 1 week earlier but nothing was taken...just rifled through some drawers and, not sure how accurate this is, they left a knife on his pillow...a sign that this wasn't a random act?
A few things strike me as
Another story says on the second "break in" Taylor heard some jostling downstairs so he got up to lock the bedroom door. News crews say the phone wires were "cut" but police say they weren't. Yet Taylors girlfriend couldn't get the home phones to work and she could only get a line using her cell phone?
Why would Taylor be trying to lock the door? I'm sure he had a handgun in his home, why not reach for that? Perhaps he knew the people that were in his home so he didn't want to resort to using a gun?
Reports say he got a knife (or machete) before trying to lock the door. How many people keep a machete under their bed or in a nighstand?!?!? Especially with toddlers in the house!
Something just ain't right here. I don't think it was a random act of robbery at all. I think these were people that had some beef with Taylor from some prior events and they came to kill him...plain and simple. They snuck in at night to kill him in his sleep but when they realized he was at his bedroom door they got scared and started "shooting sloppy" as they were running away. The stories aren't adding up.
It's sad that he had to pass in such a horrible way. That bullet hit the most vital part of his leg...a lucky/unlucky shot.
This is truly sad and disturbing and I hope they get all the facts they need to put these people behind bars!
Taylor did attempt to lock the bedroom door.
The phone line was not cut, it just was not operating.
It isn't know if there was a security system that was turned off, or no security system.
But that could change, depending on what the police find in their investigation. The Washington Post and the Miami Herald seem to be the 2 news sources most on top of the details of the case, and they seem to be updating their stories regularly. Here's the latest in the Post: Link
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Harjiran
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It may not have been a hit, but it's definitely murder. Second degree murder, perhaps. It doesn't have to be premeditated. Unless I'm missing something, if you fire a gun at someone while committing a buglary and that person dies, it's murder. This guy is an attorney?
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