Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If memory serves, he was not a high draft pick. Was he still playing on his rookie contract? Must have wanted a hell of a raise....
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I found this article interesting. I was under the impression the Steelers were in good shape, cap wise (at least $16 - $19 million under).
The other interesting thing is that Bouchette feels the Steelers will pull the contract offer to Starks if he comes in to sign it. I didn't know you could do that once you slapped the transition or franchise tag on a player.
The other interesting thing is that Bouchette feels the Steelers will pull the contract offer to Starks if he comes in to sign it. I didn't know you could do that once you slapped the transition or franchise tag on a player.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I guess the cap numbers of $16-$19 under where offbase because Bouchette is saying the Steelers are $2.4 million under in today's PG. I guess Starks counts for $7 million and the RFA tenders amount to about $4-$5 million.
In any case I doubt the Steelers are going to get many visits from free agents this offseason. I sure hope they draft well...
In any case I doubt the Steelers are going to get many visits from free agents this offseason. I sure hope they draft well...
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Irish
Footballguy
This draft is going to be a tell tale sign which direction this franchise is headed. The last couple of drafts have not been good as a whole. It amazes me how the Steelers are always up against the cap yet lose free agents every year and never sign any players coming in to big deals. While teams like the Redskins throw money around at free agents every year. The money that some of these mediocre free agents are getting is outrageous this year, but I guess that is what the market bears.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I bascially agree with this analysis. After they extend Roeth, they'll be done as far as the spending goes if those #s are accurate. Maybe a few minor depth type guys, or ST types, but that's probably about it. Now, they could free up some more room by cutting some remaining dead weight(Cedric Wilson, I'm looking at you), or renegotiating a couple contracts(which they also seem to do every year) so we'll see.I also think that they keep that Bouchette article around so they can dust it off every year and just change the date and the names. I swear I read that verbatim, swapping out the player names, for the last 4-5 years.
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Irish
Footballguy
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Frenchy Fuqua said:
Irish
Footballguy
Steelers are allowing the market to dictate Starks' price tag instead of the Steelers setting the benchmark for other teams. He will either sign a reasonable deal with the Steelers or another team. The Steelers will not have him play at the transition price tag for 2008. I know some fans and media have questioned why the Steelers did not trade Faneca last yr while they could have gotten something for him, but by letting him go as a FA they now will still receive probably a 3rd comp pick and they also got to use his services last yr.Frenchy Fuqua said:
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chris1969
Footballguy
Irish
Footballguy
And you thought the Steelers weren't active in the FA market.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Roeth is due a $3M roster bonus very soon and I think the FO wants to get the restructure in place prior to that deadline.Frenchy Fuqua said:
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Also, a link on the Steelers scout board says they are talking to Landon Johnson (LB) from the Bengals.
chris1969
Footballguy
See! I'm trying to help you guys out, somebody call the front office!!!And you thought the Steelers weren't active in the FA market.
The Hank
Footballguy
The Hank
Footballguy
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Well Ben is signed and it sounds like Mewelde Moore is too. Good day.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If Moore keeps his head screwed on, I think he could be a solid addition to this team. I've always liked what I've seen of the guy in limited use and he could be a nice complement to Parker.
The big news, obviously, is the Roethlisberger signing. I hate to see that much $$ going to one guy, but this was a situation where not only did the guy HAVE to be locked up long-term, but the Steelers were going to have to show that they will reward their own if they perform. I think both of those questions were firmly answered with this massive contract. I'm just thrilled that we'll have a top-flight QB under center barring injury until I'm well into my 40s.
The big news, obviously, is the Roethlisberger signing. I hate to see that much $$ going to one guy, but this was a situation where not only did the guy HAVE to be locked up long-term, but the Steelers were going to have to show that they will reward their own if they perform. I think both of those questions were firmly answered with this massive contract. I'm just thrilled that we'll have a top-flight QB under center barring injury until I'm well into my 40s.
Dope
Footballguy
Any chance that Mewelde gets the #2 Rb job?I took a flier on him last year...when given a chance he's been fairly productive.Some of his game lines remind me of Adrian Peterson (CHI)I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Boy I think so, similar build and game as Willie Parker. Kid is a heckuvan athlete, I think he played minor league baseball for a few years before playing football at Tulane.Any chance that Mewelde gets the #2 Rb job?I took a flier on him last year...when given a chance he's been fairly productive.Some of his game lines remind me of Adrian Peterson (CHI)I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
poopdawg
Footballguy
I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
That was one of the most frustrating things to watch (or not watch) this year besides that putrid O-Line. The biggest threat that Parker brings to the table is when he is in open space, but they used less screen passes and less dumpoffs.I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
That was one of the most frustrating things to watch (or not watch) this year besides that putrid O-Line. The biggest threat that Parker brings to the table is when he is in open space, but they used less screen passes and less dumpoffs.
I ended up dropping Parker in my keeper league (could have kept for a 10+ round pick) because it changed to only keeping 3 and Parker who was awesome in 2006, was terrible in 2007. If Cowher was still there I would think maybe it was a bad year for him, but with a new coaching staff, I just can't take the risk. In very limited action, he has 75 receptions for 620 yards (8.3 ypr) and 4 TDs. Seems like that is pretty decent. Heck, RBs don't usually get a lot of receiving TDs, but in 2006, he had 3 in only 31 receptions. Oh well, maybe I will draft him again, only if he drops quite a bit just on the off chance that he gets more work again.
The Mewelde Moore signing is official -- 3 year deal. Seems like a pretty good pickup if the price was right. 
http://news.steelers.com/article/87413
http://news.steelers.com/article/87413
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Moore: 3 years 4.95mil.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3274613
Saw a blurb/rumor somewhere else that only 1.3 of it's guaranteed(don't recall where). Not too bad, now that it seems decent role players are sometimes getting 3 times that.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3274613
Saw a blurb/rumor somewhere else that only 1.3 of it's guaranteed(don't recall where). Not too bad, now that it seems decent role players are sometimes getting 3 times that.
DropKick
Footballguy
I have a lot of respect for your insight on the Steelers. How do you anticipate the RB position shaking down with Parker, Davenport, Davis, Moore and Russell?I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
PFT
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Parker will still get his. He was on pace for ~370 touches last year, he wound up with 344 after exiting the St Luois game on the first play. Davenport had 125, I suspect Moore's #s will cut more into his than into FWP's. Russell will be strictly backup, it seems (even though I like what I've seen from him) and Davis will be the FB. Obviously a lot could change now but if I had to guess, I'd say the Steelers will rush ~475 times next year...barring any major injuriesI have a lot of respect for your insight on the Steelers. How do you anticipate the RB position shaking down with Parker, Davenport, Davis, Moore and Russell?I'm all for RB depth, and a KR/PR guy, but the point made above -- "Moore will provide Pittsburgh's offense with the legitimate receiving threat out of the backfield it had lacked." -- We only lack that because they won't throw the ####### ball to FWP.
arker with ~275Najeh and Moore with ~60-80 eachI wouldn't go near either of them expecting much in fantasy this year, unless FWP gets hurt....and in that case I have no clue how it will shake out between Dookie and Moore. One of those two would get the bulk, but I doubt even the Steelers know which one of them that is yet. Still an Oline that needs work and camps to sort things out.ptsteelers
Footballguy
I am not sure if this signals the end of Davenports time in the Burgh as some reporters are speculating, though I may be wrong (not sure of the cap relief numbers if we were to let him go).
I really just think the Moore signing is to try and help our bad ... no ... horrible Special Teams. Rossum did okay, for the first few games (I thought he was the answer ... at first), but then it went to crap, once again, same as the last three years. We need someone back there and I hope this signing is the answer. I have no idea however, how good Moore is at the KR/PR position, so I could be way off base.
Can he fill that role or is this a RB that will be on the field more than I think ?
I really just think the Moore signing is to try and help our bad ... no ... horrible Special Teams. Rossum did okay, for the first few games (I thought he was the answer ... at first), but then it went to crap, once again, same as the last three years. We need someone back there and I hope this signing is the answer. I have no idea however, how good Moore is at the KR/PR position, so I could be way off base.
Can he fill that role or is this a RB that will be on the field more than I think ?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
MMoore adds experienced depth at a reasonable amount that can help in ST also.
Parker (on the mend)
Davenport (not super sturdy)
Russell (not experienced, not a big STer)
Moore
and Davis to play FB/HB.
Parker (on the mend)
Davenport (not super sturdy)
Russell (not experienced, not a big STer)
Moore
and Davis to play FB/HB.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
IMO that would be a stupid move. We were down with injuries last year and I think they saw the benefit of having depth at the position.
and he's under contract very cheap. Agreed, would be stupid to let him go. Keep Russell on the PS for now.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He was activated in the playoffs. PS is an option?
Actually thanks for correcting me. He served his two years on the PS, so i dont think the Steelers have that luxury. So the one reason to let Davenport go is if the Steelers think Russell is ready to play a similar role. Although Ill admit I don't totally understand the rules on when a player can serve a 3rd year on the PS - something about having all 53 spots full all year - I need to consult with a league lawyer .
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Gary Russell was an undrafted, free agent rookie last year who made the 53 man roster. He has never been on the practice squad and I don't think they would have the option of putting him on there for the upcoming year.Like others have said, I think MMoore will be a good special teams guy and will also get some touches on 3rd down. In my opinion, if the Steelers are looking to get rid of Najeh, Russell will probably need to show he can serve as FWP's backup.
youre right, my brain is just scrambled this morning. Please disregard my postings on Russell and the PS.
I'm not too sure of PS rules, but Russell was an undrafted rookie last year, so shouldn't he still have PS eligibility? I'm not a big Davenport fan so I don't think we'd miss him all that much. He's a tweener, too big and slow to hit the hole fast enough which limits his effectiveness.
No need for the bag. After the Steelers picked him up, I was hoping he would make the team over Barlow and Haynes. There was talk last year that there was no way they could slip him onto the practice squad since there were other teams interested. So that is the only reason I knew he made it onto the 53 man roster.youre right, my brain is just scrambled this morning. Please disregard my postings on Russell and the PS.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Was just coming in to link that.
IMO if there's any FA left that they need to seriously look at on the OL it's probably Hadnot. He brings versatility with him, since he can play C. And anything that could potentially drive Sean Mahan to the bench(in reverse, no doubt) is a-okay with me.
No idea how large his # is going to wind up being, given the craziness with cash this offseason, but I hope they can work something out. He's a good, solid, guy to have. Especially if he winds up on the pivot.
IMO if there's any FA left that they need to seriously look at on the OL it's probably Hadnot. He brings versatility with him, since he can play C. And anything that could potentially drive Sean Mahan to the bench(in reverse, no doubt) is a-okay with me.
No idea how large his # is going to wind up being, given the craziness with cash this offseason, but I hope they can work something out. He's a good, solid, guy to have. Especially if he winds up on the pivot.
Fiddles
Footballguy
sounds like we need to sign this guy http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,3792129.story
Hadnot started all 16 games last season and was regarded as the team's most consistent offensive lineman. But, according to Hadnot, the team hasn't expressed an interest in re-signing him.
In a year where the Dolphins have approximately $35 million in cap space, re-signing Hadnot seemed to be a high priority. His in-line blocking, effectiveness as a pulling guard and versatility made him the most valuable of last year's starting unit. Also, the Dolphins have critical needs at tackle and guard. The team recently released starting right tackle L.J. Shelton.
"I'm trying to let it play out," he said." "I'm not worried at all. Either way, I'm still confident that I'll have an employer next year that will be getting the services of a great player, in my mind."
Hadnot, a sixth-round draft pick in 2004, started all 48 games the past three seasons. He played exclusively at right guard last year and exclusively at center in 2006. In 2005, he split time between the two positions.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Hadnot would be a nice signing, and would enable the Steelers to take a look at a position other than OT or OG in the first 2-3 rounds of this upcoming draft, rather than going all OL.
Fiddles
Footballguy
looks like he visited the browns last weekend
Miami Dolphins free-agent guard/center Rex Hadnot told the Houston Chronicle on Saturday he was visiting the Browns over the weekend.
The Browns do not confirm free-agent visits, but Hadnot said he was headed to Cleveland after his visit Friday with the Texans. A Texas native who played at Houston, Hadnot had hoped to sign with his hometown team.
"I'm going to take this visit and see how Cleveland feels about me," Hadnot told the Chronicle. "I'm disappointed [about not reaching a deal with Houston], but it's part of the business."
Miami Dolphins free-agent guard/center Rex Hadnot told the Houston Chronicle on Saturday he was visiting the Browns over the weekend.
The Browns do not confirm free-agent visits, but Hadnot said he was headed to Cleveland after his visit Friday with the Texans. A Texas native who played at Houston, Hadnot had hoped to sign with his hometown team.
"I'm going to take this visit and see how Cleveland feels about me," Hadnot told the Chronicle. "I'm disappointed [about not reaching a deal with Houston], but it's part of the business."
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I'd feel better about this group's chances with a guy like Hadnot at C over a guy like Mahan, that's for sure. And if he doesn't work out there, he should at least be a servicable guard.
And he's young enough that a "long" term contract shouldn't be out of the question if he was willing to work with the Steelers FO(i.e. maybe he gets a little extended "security" if he's willing to not take them for every last dollar, etc.)
We'll see, I guess. If he visited Cleveland already that's another motivation to sign him. (Hell, it should make it easier to sign him if he spent any time driving around the city at all. Maybe he should go back for a 2nd visit.
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And he's young enough that a "long" term contract shouldn't be out of the question if he was willing to work with the Steelers FO(i.e. maybe he gets a little extended "security" if he's willing to not take them for every last dollar, etc.)
We'll see, I guess. If he visited Cleveland already that's another motivation to sign him. (Hell, it should make it easier to sign him if he spent any time driving around the city at all. Maybe he should go back for a 2nd visit.
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