pantherclub
Footballguy
How could they get into the vault? Even the bank would have standards right?
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
no, they knew he was the only guy in the world that could signicantly increase their profit margins. They are not going to flush millions of dollars away over a display of machismo.
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Bank can consent without a warrant. They tell the lady that if she doesn't let them in, they'll arrest her as an accomplice. Probably why she was kind of edge when the lawyer came in.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
The door was closed when he started. They must have opened it while he was in progress.
The Noid
Avoid me!
I think he took it off his left hand to burn the plastic handcuff last week. Now, with the bandage there, he can't put it back on that wrist.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
but he'd have probably had to let Gus take out Jesse and Hank, as well as accept that Gus and by extension he was OK with the murder of a child. At that point, he had enough humanity left to reject that outcome.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Great episode. The scene with the cops arriving at the playground was some terrific acting. You could see the conflict all over Mike, trying to go after his granddaughter or just get out of there.
I didn't have a problem with Mike having Walt do his errand. He clearly didn't want Jesse to take the risk of getting caught helping him and while he knew he and Walt weren't friends he had no reason to believe Walt was going to off him. If he hadn't wounded Walt's pride he probably wouldn't have.
My only issue was the desert scene. Just wasn't believable to me. It seemed like Declan stood to make a bit more money with Walt's deal but I have a hard time believing it was enough that a guy who was the boss and had set up his whole operation would be willing to trade that in for a minority share in someone else's operation (especially when he could likely make up a big part of that difference by just offing Walt right there and taking his biggest competition off the market). And it definitely didn't seem like a big enough raise for him to just stand there and allow himself to be verbally castrated in front of his men without retribution.
I didn't have a problem with Mike having Walt do his errand. He clearly didn't want Jesse to take the risk of getting caught helping him and while he knew he and Walt weren't friends he had no reason to believe Walt was going to off him. If he hadn't wounded Walt's pride he probably wouldn't have.
My only issue was the desert scene. Just wasn't believable to me. It seemed like Declan stood to make a bit more money with Walt's deal but I have a hard time believing it was enough that a guy who was the boss and had set up his whole operation would be willing to trade that in for a minority share in someone else's operation (especially when he could likely make up a big part of that difference by just offing Walt right there and taking his biggest competition off the market). And it definitely didn't seem like a big enough raise for him to just stand there and allow himself to be verbally castrated in front of his men without retribution.
I don't see how in the world that would be legal without a warrant of some manner.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
The bank let the DEA do it.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
What would be the implications if the chubbster just happened to open it for them after they give her a box of donuts?
GunslingerEnder
Footballguy
Missed the beginning, but how didn't Mike know they were tailing his lawyer if he was monitoring Hank with the bug and computer gadget?
Also why was it removed?
Also why was it removed?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
You think for all the precautions Mike too, they would have done this a different way. 9 boxes at one bank? You think he would have spread those out over multiple locations.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I'm sure Mike wasn't listening 24 x 7. He heard them say they were coming to his house with a search warrant. It wasn't until the very last minute that they started trailing the lawyer.
corpcow
Footballguy
Remember, Tuco was killed before Gus was really in the picture and well before Walt was his cook. Even though Walt didn't actually kill Tuco (Jesse shot him and then obviously Hank killed him), this thread happened whether or not Walt was the quiet cook. In fact, with the cousins coming it was creating war for them. The idea that Mike had about just keeping his head down and cooking couldn't happen and Mike knows that... the guy who was protecting Walt from the cousins etc.
identikit
Footballguy
I'm sure he was listening to all of it. Not live necessarily, but eventually.Not every discussion/tactic/decision @ the local DEA is in Hank's office or documented somehow on his computer.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
He dumped his laptop down a well, and he was "out" at that point.I think Walt and friends knew that it would not be possible to keep the bug there forever without detection. In fact, Mike specifically told to get the bug.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Right, they specifically showed that Hank was in the conference room, not his office, when he told them to trail the lawyer.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Oh yeah, that too.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I like how Mike had a bag of guns that he emptied individually into the well, rather than just throwing the whole thing down there. No need to waste a good bag, you know.
Zow
Footballguy
While no warrant was needed to follow the lawyer and watch him in the room, since there wasnt anything to siggest he was engaged in criminal activity (going into s safe deposit box room with money isnt illegal) one would have been needed to search him or look into the boxes. As a defense atty he would have known this and probably could have kept his mouth shut. Additionally, much of what he would then say would be covered by atty-client privilege (although not as clearly since he was engaged in crime with them and, for mike, hue wasn't his lawyer) but a half-smart atty could have claimed it there and at least made the dea get a court order.
My take is that the lawyer just got scared and, presumably, demanded immunity and started spilling his guts. Frankly, this pissed me off more than if the show would have just ignored legal particulars bc it furthered the stereotype that defense attys are greedy, spineless chicken####s bc the lawyer could have gotten out of that easily Thanks, gilligan.
My take is that the lawyer just got scared and, presumably, demanded immunity and started spilling his guts. Frankly, this pissed me off more than if the show would have just ignored legal particulars bc it furthered the stereotype that defense attys are greedy, spineless chicken####s bc the lawyer could have gotten out of that easily Thanks, gilligan.
identikit
Footballguy
Anytime, little buddy.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
you have issues.
Flying V
Footballguy
What if they had just detected the bug, left it in place for misinformation, and now Walt has implicated himself because he's the only one who could have removed it?
identikit
Footballguy
That was the risk.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
This was my thought immediately after the scene with Walt in Hank's office. Hank seemed skeptical of Walt, then Gomez conveniently brings up the lawyer flipping right in earshot of Walt. It all just seemed to be too much of a coincidence.
He's just a genuine idiot, who thinks he's being a clever fisherman.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
As far as Hank know, Jesse is at the end of the chain- street dealer. Hanks working the top of the chain.
Plus they purposely went to a camera shot from the top corner of Hank's office as to imply there was a security camera there.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
He dumped the laptop when he heard about the search warrant, before Hank had to stop tailing Mike, before he even thought to see that the lawyer repped all 9 guys. Plus, the decision to start tailing Mike's lawyer happened in the conference room, where there was no bug.
Gawain
Footballguy
Untrue. A street dealer wouldn't have been holed up in the main manufacturing facility.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
when the blue sky was a small mom and pop operation, why not?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
If that was the case, they'd have Walt by now.
Major
Footballguy
This thread has become nothing but semantics....you 
constantly complain about non issues like a search warrant or feds going to a bank vault. Focus on the big picture here and discuss the story, not what would happen in real life. This isn't f'in real life. It's a tv show. Endless posts about 96% purity, whether or not to call some supporting actor Landry, or what a spoiler is are pointless.
constantly complain about non issues like a search warrant or feds going to a bank vault. Focus on the big picture here and discuss the story, not what would happen in real life. This isn't f'in real life. It's a tv show. Endless posts about 96% purity, whether or not to call some supporting actor Landry, or what a spoiler is are pointless.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
1000 gallons @70% yield = 70% total product x 100% take = profits on 70% product vs. 1000 gallons @99% yield = 99% total product x 35% take = profits on 34.65% product (so just from those 1000 gallons they make half as much money)
I'll guess I'll just have to assume they agreed to the deal so they could try to learn his recipe (to enjoy the higher efficiency all to themselves) before killing Walt.
Flying V
Footballguy
The cartel or the cops? Could it be an elaborate scheme to drive Walt to the cartel?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
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I do this too.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Both Saul and Jesse are likely being monitored by the DEA. Walt was the only one completely free of legal attention and therefore least likely by far to have the fuzz follow the go bag to Mike.
I don't understand why greater purity = greater yield. It should be the opposite. The less pure it is, the more filler there is. It's an inferior product, but they should end up with more of it.That's not to say they can't make more money selling the pure stuff. They can definitely charge a higher price for it.In any case, your comparison above isn't apples-to-apples. Without Heisenberg, they have to pay their own cooks and acquire their own raw materials. With Heisenberg, they're getting a 35% cut on the yield from 1,000 gallons of methylamine that they don't have to acquire elsewhere. (They do have to pay Mike $5 million for his 333 gallons, but they're getting a cut of the other 667 gallons, apparently worth $10 million as methylamine but worth hundreds of millions when converted to Heisenberg's meth, without having to pay for it.)
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Wasn't Walt's real leverage that he was the only one that knew where the methylamine was? If anyone had killed him or refused to go along with his plan, they would have ended up with nothing.
identikit
Footballguy
My link1000 gallons @70% yield = 70% total product x 100% take = profits on 70% productvs.
1000 gallons @99% yield = 99% total product x 35% take = profits on 34.65% product (so just from those 1000 gallons they make half as much money)
I'll guess I'll just have to assume they agreed to the deal so they could try to learn his recipe (to enjoy the higher efficiency all to themselves) before killing Walt.
The guys in the desert had their own source of methylamine. They wanted the 1,000 gallons for $15 million, but they were willing to walk away from the deal if it didn't include Heisenberg's covenant not to compete. That was a big part of what they were originally paying for, and they would have gotten it for free by killing Heisenberg.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
As stated by DeClan, he didn't really care, he even said what's to stop me from wasting you right here? And that is when Walt sold him on Classic Coke and made him say his name like a monkey.It's spilled milk, no use really discussing this tangent any further.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I think they were using a different agent other than methylamine because they had to dye theirs blue.
Does using methylamine always make meth blue? (I don't think that's true in real life, but maybe it is on the show.) In any case, they had their own source of whatever raw materials they'd been using.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Here's what the show wiki has to say about it. Seems like the blue color is mostly just a device by the show.
