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You are sitting on a goldmineman, I still have a closet full of nike mocks - no red, since I am whiter than GM and that color looks terrible on me.
You are sitting on a goldmineman, I still have a closet full of nike mocks - no red, since I am whiter than GM and that color looks terrible on me.
I can’t decide if I like that look or not - gun to head I’d say it’s kind of dumb looking, especially on your average 40-something fat guy.Golfing on Saturday. Will I see anyone wearing a red mock turtleneck?
Then I'd say we shouldn't be arguing because we're not actually making different points, GB.zoonation said:Sure.
But I am saying he hit his irons better than anyone at Augusta and it wasn't particularly close. When he puts the ball in the fairway off the tee he is the best player on the planet. At 43 years old and after 8 back procedures. It is remarkable.
Your link doesn't work.WELL FINE, MAYBE HE FINALLY WON A MAJOR, BUT HIS FASHION SENSE OUT THERE IS TERRIBLE, SO STILL FINISHED
Get your damned logic out of here. No room for that in this thread.
It's like it's 2013 again. Tiger wins 8 times in two years, is the #1 golfer in the world (which he would be again, right now, if he'd played more events), led the tour in money won and was the Player of the Year. But he still wasn't back.
Imagine looking at this and being willing to argue for five years that Tiger never made it back:
2012: Three victories
72. Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by MasterCard
Woods margin of victory: 5
73. the Memorial Tournament presented by Nationwide Insurance
Woods margin of victory: 2
74. AT&T National
Woods margin of victory: 2
2013: Five victories
75. Farmers Insurance Open
Woods margin of victory: 4
76. World Golf Championships-Cadillac Championship
Woods margin of victory: 2
77. Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by MasterCard
Woods margin of victory: 2
78. THE PLAYERS Championship
Woods margin of victory: 2
79. World Golf Championships-Bridgestone Invitational
Woods margin of victory: 7
A captain should always go down with his ship. Well done, Captain Sheik.Tom Watson was just a putt away from "being back" in 2009. God, could you imagine the run he could've pulled off if he won the British Open? I mean, he was the best best ball striker that weekend. Probably could've won at least 12 more majors after that. And if he could have just drove the ball further and straighter, and got some more putts to drop... Geez. Now that would have been something.
I'm all about them jokes.A captain should always go down with his ship. Well done, Captain Sheik.
Did you go with the red one or the light purple one? Both?WELL FINE, MAYBE HE FINALLY WON A MAJOR, BUT HIS FASHION SENSE OUT THERE IS TERRIBLE, SO STILL FINISHED
its called lavender brah.....Did you go with the red one or the light purple one? Both?
I know I could probably just easily look this up, but I've actually been kind of busy this morning.Breaking Jack's major record is a big deal, but breaking Sam Snead's record for PGA Tour wins should be a big deal too. And that's almost definitely gonna happen. Should be a cool moment.
Sam Snead, 82 wins.I know I could probably just easily look this up, but I've actually been kind of busy this morning.
What's the record and where's Tiger at now?
Just think how much he would've blown that out of the water if his personal stuff, then back, didn't mess with his career. He could've come close to doubling that.Record's 82, Tiger at 81.
We got there Saturday, loaded up on beers in one of the hospitality tents on 3, walked out to the porch and watched him make triple. That was bizarre.That 2000 US Open was the greatest major performance of all time. not even close.
And what's crazy about those blowouts was that he probably drew more viewers during those blowouts, which is just insane to think about from a TV Sports mindset.So after telling my 16 year old son how great Tiger Woods was, I went back and looked at largest margin of victory's in majors since 1940.
Masters:
U.S. Open
- Tiger Woods 12 strokes, 1997
- Jack Nicklaus 9 strokes, 1965
- Ray Floyd 8 strokes, 1976
- Cary Middlecoff 7 strokes, 1955
- Arnold Palmer 6 strokes, 1964
British Open
- Tiger Woods 15 strokes, 2000
- Rory McIlroy 8 strokes, 2011
- Martin Kaymer 8 strokes, 2014
- Tony Jacklin 7 strokes, 1970
- Ben Hogan 6 strokes, 1953
PGA
- Tiger Woods 8 strokes, 2000
- Louis Oosthuizen 7 strokes, 2010
- Johnny Miller 6 strokes, 1976
- Arnold Palmer 6 strokes, 1962
- 5 tied at 5 strokes (including Tiger in 2005)
KInd of put it into perspective for me how dominant Tiger was versus the rest of the field. The U.S. open victory in 2000 is just insane, the fact that no one in the field shot better than 3 over, and he shot 12 under.
- Rory McIlroy 8 strokes, 2012
- Jack Nicklaus 7 strokes, 1980
- Nick Price 6 strokes, 1994
- Tiger Woods 5 strokes, 2006
- Davis Love III 5 strokes, 1997
These stats can be a little overinflated. The majority of the best players are still from the British Empire. Sure, there are some great players from outside it now, but they are still the exception.This is back of the envelope so slight grain of salt, but...
During Jack's era (1962-1986) there were two major winners from outside the old English-speaking British Empire (ENG, SCO, WAL, IRE, NIR, CAN, AUS, NZ, SAF): Roberto DeVicenzo (1) and Seve (5). And Seve's came during the twilight of Jack's career (1979-1988).
So for the 1st 17 years of Jack's career (1962-1978) players from "the rest of the world" won 1/68 majors.
From 1979 forward (including Seve), 10 different players from TROW have won 22 majors. Again, those counts might be slightly off, but should be close.
Argentina (2), Fiji (3), Germany (4), Italy (1), Spain (8), Sweden (1), Zimbabwe (3) have taken down 22/160 majors -- basically one every other year.
Exactly. Tiger faces all of the same competition Jack did, plus a bunch of other guys. That was the point.The majority of the best players are still from the British Empire. Sure, there are some great players from outside it now, but they are still the exception.
Doesn't change your point much ... but you can throw Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) into the "former British colony" bucket, too.Argentina (2), Fiji (3), Germany (4), Italy (1), Spain (8), Sweden (1), Zimbabwe (3) have taken down 22/160 majors -- basically one every other year.
Nice catch.Doesn't change your point much ... but you can throw Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) into the "former British colony" bucket, too.
No. I'm actually saying your stats are a little deceiving. Just because Tiger was facing people from other countries doesn't mean his competition was greater. The other countries outside of the British Empire don't produce that many tour golfers. Maybe 3 or 4. And on top of that, more countries doesn't mean better competition.Exactly. Tiger faces all of the same competition Jack did, plus a bunch of other guys. That was the point.
ETA: Putting it another way. Players from TROW were 9x as likely (14% vs 1.5%) to win a major after 1978 as they had been from 1962-1978.
Whoa now -- depends on who NK sends:The golfer who wins the 2030 US Open won't be better than Tiger because North Korea, Iran and Sudan now have 3 guys in the field.
Really, all this Tiger and Jack stuff ... all that's just for second-best, really.[North Korean club 'pro' Park Yung-man] proceeded to take [Australian journalist Eric Ellis] around the course, hole-by-hole, to show him how well Kim Jong-il had played. The first hole was a 374-yard par 4. "Dear Leader Comrade General Kim Jong-il, who I respect from the bottom of my heart, scored two on this hole," Park said. And it went on from there. The worst Kim scored on any hole was a birdie. He finished with a 34.
And, the famous kicker: Kim had five holes-in-one.
"He's an excellent golfer," Park said.
Is that like the tactical turtleneck? The tactleneck.can we change the term mock turtle neck/ mock neck.
Maybe adams apple sock
what about the other 3?Another view:
- From 1997 to 2018, US players won 44/84 majors. Everyone else won 37/84.
- From 1962 to 1983, US players won 64/84 majors. Everyone else won 17/84.
Not sure what the Q is, but I did fix my math.what about the other 3?
what about the other 3?
Not sure what the Q is, but I did fix my math.
You have totally lost me. From 1997 to 2018 - 44/84 US players won - but others won 37/88 in that time frame? How did the US play 4 less majors AND 44 & 37 is 81. Who won the others?Another view:
A difference of almost exactly one major a year.
- From 1997 to 2018, US players won 44/84 majors. Everyone else won 37/88 (42%).
- From 1962 to 1983, US players won 64/84 majors. Everyone else won 17/88 (19%).
Another view:
A difference of almost exactly one major a year.
- From 1997 to 2018, US players won 51/88 majors. Everyone else won 37/88 (42%).
- From 1962 to 1983, US players won 71/88 majors. Everyone else won 17/88 (19%).
I think there is a sense from the average golf fan that Jack was kind of like Wilt playing against the old NBA......whereas Tiger is having to play against the new NBA...if that kind of makes sense...Jack had a few Bill Russel's etc.....but Tiger (at least now) has a bunch of mini Tiger's to contend with...
when Tiger made golf cool....he also spawned a new generation of his eventual competition......over the last 20+ years, some of the really great young athletes who would have maybe gravitated to football, baseball, basketball, etc.....now play golf.....
IMO this can't even be seriously debated. there are 20 guys on Tour that can win any tournament or major. there are another 20-40 good enough to beat Tiger or any of the other top guys on any given weekend. The Tour is so deep.
Dustin Johnson >>>>> Lee Trevino
Koepka >>> Johnny Miller
Done. Not a chance he'll even compete IMO...Best player in the world is finished:
https://www.golf.com/news/2019/05/04/brandel-chamblee-tiger-woods-best-player-world/amp/
I'll always remember the day Tiger freed the black golfers of America.Tiger was all smiles with Trump today at the White House. Tiger received the presidential medal of freedom.