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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Hmm. Time for me to hit the bookies and see if I can still get some good odds.A Lazy Sunday talks about players to be "obtained" later this year, among other things.
But, there's also this:
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But, then again, if there's any team that could wreck the formula it's the Indians.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
yepA Lazy Sunday talks about players to be "obtained" later this year, among other things.
But, there's also this:
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But, then again, if there's any team that could wreck the formula it's the Indians.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
'Tom Servo said:A 19-1 beat-down of the Royals last night!!! Whoo-hoo!!!!!Now, we have MLB's best record.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What's the word locally on Sizemore? Everything I've heard is that this isn't the same knee that cost him last year and that he should be good to go when the DL stint is up.
Is that what everyone thinks or is there more to worry about here?
Is that what everyone thinks or is there more to worry about here?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
That's all I've heard also. There is more discussion about whether they are going to trade him this year (I think no chance assuming the team stays in the race) or wait til next year when he's on his club option. Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
RnR
Footballguy
Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
Bobcat10
Footballguy
No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
RnR
Footballguy
That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
Bobcat10
Footballguy
That's for sure. The problem is twofold though...opening the checkbook AND actually luring free agents.That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Hafner was hitting .340-something until he hurt his side in BP last night.That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Hafner also didn't sign his contract this past offseason. Him hitting .340 this year doesn't make his contract all of a sudden a good one.What was the trio of (bigger) contracts they dished out around the same time....Hafner, Westbrook, and ?Hafner was hitting .340-something until he hurt his side in BP last night.That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Most everybody else is short-term, has arbitration years bought out or first contract.I thought those were the only two; I could be mistaken.Hafner also didn't sign his contract this past offseason. Him hitting .340 this year doesn't make his contract all of a sudden a good one.What was the trio of (bigger) contracts they dished out around the same time....Hafner, Westbrook, and ?Hafner was hitting .340-something until he hurt his side in BP last night.That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I think you are right because I'm probably mixing CC's situation in here...I believe all that was happening at relatively the same time. That was $25M that they could have put in CC's belly.'Tom Servo said:Most everybody else is short-term, has arbitration years bought out or first contract.I thought those were the only two; I could be mistaken.'Bobcat10 said:Hafner also didn't sign his contract this past offseason. Him hitting .340 this year doesn't make his contract all of a sudden a good one.What was the trio of (bigger) contracts they dished out around the same time....Hafner, Westbrook, and ?'Tom Servo said:Hafner was hitting .340-something until he hurt his side in BP last night.That's true. No question he's talented, but the type of surgery Sizemore had could be career shortening from my understanding. It'd be a shame if he comes back to play well, earns a contract, and then pulls a Hafner on you guys. Franchise can't afford another 5-7 years of that type of dead money.No, not necessarily. Will be interesting if he comes back and keeps playing well though.Not saying you guys don't deserve a contract or two from your ownership, but are you sure Sizemore is the guy you want a long-term extension with right now?Or maybe the Dolan's will ink a contract
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
what an sick play by Cabrera at SS last night
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Sweep of the Reds is done.
Does anyone outside Ohio know how good this TEAM really is?
Does anyone outside Ohio know how good this TEAM really is?
Captain Hook
Footballguy
great to see the Indians getting W for their good efforts.......AssDribble is having an outstanding year
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
It's a really long season. You wrote this two weeks ago and right now if the Indians went .500 the rest of the way they'd finish 88-74. 88 will win the Central but a young team with iffy pitching is gonna have trouble in the summer months. Boston and Tampa this week, I'm still not believing they can keep this run going but as long as they are hitting they way they are they certainly have a chance over the course of the season. I've gone from complete on-believer, to we'll see mode. Regardless, this is gonna be a much better season than anyone anticipated.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Iffy pitching? Huh? The Indians are 4th in the AL in ERA. The rest of the division is 9th, 10th, and 12th. Tigers, White Sox, and Royals are the ones with iffy pitching.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Masterson's the only arm in that rotation that's above average.
Tomlin's pitching completely over his head. He's good, but he's not this good. The inevitable correction is coming and soon as his .175 BABIP is unsustainable.
Corasco and Carmona have ERAs around 5.00.
White's on the DL for 8 to 12 weeks.
Talbot takes his place with his career numbers of 4.57 ERA and 1.54 WHIP
The idea of the Indians being the 4th best staff in ERA, when it's all said and done, is comical.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
To be fair, you say "staff" (possibly meaning starting staff) and he was talking team ERA. The Indians have one of the best pens in the league, which can go a long way in the numbers game and in winning games (same with scoring alot of runs and being a great home team).We can go back and forth twisting numbers all day. Ten starts, 18 runs in two of those starts against the same team, 16 runs in the other eight starts combined. I'll take Carmona with his 4.76 right now on my staff and I bet you would too.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Amazing work so far, boys. 
Now you get tested.
Now you get tested.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
You are 6th in the AL in ERA as starters behind the Tigers (4th) and ahead of the White Sox (8th). Opponents batting average 7th, Tigers 3rd while the rest lag. Overall opponents OPS Tigers are 4th, Cleveland 5th and Chicago 6th. Obviously the difference lies in the bullpens as the Tigers has been categorically awful, the White Sox have had trouble and the other two teams aren't really in the conversation anyway. Again, I like what you've done through 43 games but a young pitching staff is gonna get warn down in the summer and bullpens are about as predictable as Michigan weather. Your group of starters does not impress me. Tomlin, Carrasco, Masterson and Carmona all have pedestrian K/9 numbers but where they've been good is not allowing a lot of walks. It's very unlikely Tomlin can continue at this pace but Carrasco could even that out as a guy that should improve as the season goes on. Masterson I do like, Carmona is too schizo to depend on over the course of a season. Not trying to rain on your parade either, what they've done so far is amazing and they are the team to beat if they keep their walks in check and keep hitting like they are. The White Sox and Tigers go long stretches were they can't hit at all, that is encouraging if your number one worry might be starting pitching.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Thanks, GB. I'm just enjoying every day with this team. Everyday feels like Christmas and every night is New Year's Eve (sorry Sade).
"What if..." one man's 43 year wait for a World Series championship came to an end?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
The FIRST PLACE Cleveland Indians. The Indians have MLB's best record. I like saying that...a lot.
Heading down for Buchholz vs Masterson tonight!
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
I'll take 1st place comical any day.
Masterson's the only arm in that rotation that's above average.
Tomlin's pitching completely over his head. He's good, but he's not this good. The inevitable correction is coming and soon as his .175 BABIP is unsustainable.
Corasco and Carmona have ERAs around 5.00.
White's on the DL for 8 to 12 weeks.
Talbot takes his place with his career numbers of 4.57 ERA and 1.54 WHIP
The idea of the Indians being the 4th best staff in ERA, when it's all said and done, is comical.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
You need to see if you can get on STO with Katie Witham...and get pics.The FIRST PLACE Cleveland Indians. The Indians have MLB's best record. I like saying that...a lot.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Update GB?You need to see if you can get on STO with Katie Witham...and get pics.The FIRST PLACE Cleveland Indians. The Indians have MLB's best record. I like saying that...a lot.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
No pics...but one hell of a win!Update GB?You need to see if you can get on STO with Katie Witham...and get pics.The FIRST PLACE Cleveland Indians. The Indians have MLB's best record. I like saying that...a lot.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Wes Welker with an early TD reception.
7-0 in the 1st.
7-0 in the 1st.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Don't be jealous of my stellar humor. Just stay focused on finishing the season over the .500 mark.HEY-OH!Wes Welker with an early TD reception.
7-0 in the 1st.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
<_<Don't be jealous of my stellar humor. Just stay focused on finishing the season over the .500 mark.HEY-OH!Wes Welker with an early TD reception.
7-0 in the 1st.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Will be interesting when the time comes if this team is going to make additions. If there is one starter I'm worried about it's Talbot and with White going down it hightens the concern.
Hafner's health will determine what type of bat they will need...utility guy (not sure who yet) or DH guy (Thome/Vlad come to mind, and the thought of Thome sorta makes me barf in my mouth).
Sizemore's health also I suppose...as I'd not want to run out Shelly (as much as I like the dude) and Buck/Kearns out in LF everyday.
Chisenhall is also going to be an important decision soon.
Hafner's health will determine what type of bat they will need...utility guy (not sure who yet) or DH guy (Thome/Vlad come to mind, and the thought of Thome sorta makes me barf in my mouth).
Sizemore's health also I suppose...as I'd not want to run out Shelly (as much as I like the dude) and Buck/Kearns out in LF everyday.
Chisenhall is also going to be an important decision soon.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You don't think .500 is a realistic goal?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
If they were .500 right now probably so.
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Insoxicated
That "BoSux" team just took 2 of 3 while outscoring you 30-7... in your own house. Hell they were one uncharacteristically Bad inning from bard away from a sweep. There was a team that "sucked" in Cleveland this week, but it sure wasn't the one from Boston.The Tribe beats the BoSux last night to be the first team to 30 wins!!!
Tribe should win about 90 games this year. Lucky for you guys the majority of the Central is absolute garbage thereby posing little threat and helping to inflate your win total.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Thanks for the post.The only way to win a title is to get to the playoffs. If that takes the Central division being absolute garbage and a rip roaring start from my Indians, I'll take it. Once you get there, anything can happen, you know that.That "BoSux" team just took 2 of 3 while outscoring you 30-7... in your own house. Hell they were one uncharacteristically Bad inning from bard away from a sweep. There was a team that "sucked" in Cleveland this week, but it sure wasn't the one from Boston.The Tribe beats the BoSux last night to be the first team to 30 wins!!!
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Insoxicated
Indeed
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
<_<
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
ouch
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
<_<
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Santana and Choo are ####### killing this team!!! 
