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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Right. He has relatively cheap contract too that he may not see.
If he eventually gets permanently thrown out of the NFL, the Arena League will probably take him. I doubt if Canada will. He has thrown millions and millions of dollars away and maybe his career that should be/should have been great. What a stupid young man. The NFL and The Browns give him what he needs to stay out of trouble and he refuses to use and acknowledge what they offer. There will probably be no reason for any team to give him a sizeable free agent contract when and if he is still around in 2016.
What a waste.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
The hell with Gordon playing in the NFL......Somebody doesn't get a hold of him he is going to end up harming himself or somebody else.......This kind of free fall doesn't usually end up well.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I said it on draft day....Manziel is going to implode on that team with no WRs to throw the ball to. Nice job Browns! What can really go wrong anyways with an idot like Manziel teaming up with another idot like Gordon....I am sure Gordon will not supply any weed to Johny-I-love-to-partay-Manziel
amnesiac
beer is good
the only thing i can come up with is that this regime simply doesn't place much value on the WR position.
beer 30
Footballguy
Thought about this yesterday when I saw the news on Gordon. I know this solution probably wouldn't work but the Browns have little to lose by trying recoup something from Gordon. I would table the following deal, I think it's fair and places the ball squarely in Gordon's court:
1. Gordon agrees to immediately check into a rehab facility of the Browns choosing. If he does not complete the program to the Browns satisfaction he will given his outright release.
2. Upon completion of said program, Gordon agrees to a handler of the Browns choosing. This person(s) will be with Gordon 24/7/365. Gordon will submit to the direction this handler gives meaning if Gordon is headed toward a bad situation and the handler says no, Gordon immediately ceases activity. If Gordon does not comply fully with handlers directions he will be given his outright release. I would suggest the Browns hiring someone like a Chris Carter for consultation on how to handle this.
3. This agreement is for the duration that Gordon plays for the Browns. There will never be an opportunity for Gordon to not be under the full scrutiny of the Browns until termination of the contract with Gordon.
Aside from something like that, I don't see how Gordon stays in the league. The Browns may give him another shot (which he has proven he will #### up) or they cut him and some other team picks him up and either does the above or watch as Gordon drums himself out of the league. Damn shame with the talent he has.
1. Gordon agrees to immediately check into a rehab facility of the Browns choosing. If he does not complete the program to the Browns satisfaction he will given his outright release.
2. Upon completion of said program, Gordon agrees to a handler of the Browns choosing. This person(s) will be with Gordon 24/7/365. Gordon will submit to the direction this handler gives meaning if Gordon is headed toward a bad situation and the handler says no, Gordon immediately ceases activity. If Gordon does not comply fully with handlers directions he will be given his outright release. I would suggest the Browns hiring someone like a Chris Carter for consultation on how to handle this.
3. This agreement is for the duration that Gordon plays for the Browns. There will never be an opportunity for Gordon to not be under the full scrutiny of the Browns until termination of the contract with Gordon.
Aside from something like that, I don't see how Gordon stays in the league. The Browns may give him another shot (which he has proven he will #### up) or they cut him and some other team picks him up and either does the above or watch as Gordon drums himself out of the league. Damn shame with the talent he has.
Trade him to a franchise that protects its players. Say what you want about JJ and Dallas but they did what was necessary to keep Dez on the field
cstu
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
i don't like defending Manziel, but was he driving the swan down the street exceeding the speed limit?
amnesiac
beer is good
interesting. i probably would.
beer 30
Footballguy
http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-rolling-bills-vegas/
Johnny just trying to deflect some attention from his #1 target? What a teammate!
Johnny just trying to deflect some attention from his #1 target? What a teammate!
amnesiac
beer is good
i recommended not drafting him in the first place
jurb26
Footballguy
I agree with Mike here. There is no telling how Gordon would react to being released. Just because it worked for Carter doesn't mean it works for everyone else. This always bothers me when Carter makes comments like this. He personalized his issues back then with everyone else's and lacks the ability to view it from another perspective. It's great that it worked for him but not everyone is like him.
amnesiac
beer is good
exactly. different approaches work for different people. especially for something as complex as substance abuse.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Its been stated that he's unhappy because he hasn't gotten a legit shot at a ring. If we traded for him we'd have to give up decent compensation and we'd be inherting a guy whose situation may not be much better than where he came from.
The media speculation comes from our dire need for a WR and our extra 1st round pick and because Dre had his best seasons when Kyle Shanahan was his OC and knows our offense.
Should be pointed out he was also playing under Gary Kubiak who was the Texans HC, now in Baltimore and they would love a WR like Andre Johnson and he'd be more agreeable to going to sitation like B-More.
I don't think the Texans would let him go for anything less than a high pick(s) and we're not set to make a run right now so we'd be dishing a high pick(s) for a 33 year old WR without our QB position solidified and with some questions at other positions and he might not be happy with us and he's causign trouble where he's at so...
Add in the comments Ray Farmer made after the draft when he was criticised for not taking any WRs. Ray replied that recent Super Bowl teams did not have top WRs. He said top WRs were not neccessary for winning a SB.
Obviously we could use him, we have the cap space, we hold extra high picks, and their is the Kyle Shanahan connection but you have to factor in, age, cost, and it does not look like the right fit for him or our GM's stated philosophy.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I don't think it matters much. It's their behavior that's the problem, not the coverage.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Incredible article on Manziel by Washington Post writer Sally Jenkins.
It is the best article that sums-up Johnny Manziel at this point in time and I believe this time is going to be crucial for his future.
I won't cut-and-paste the entire article because the Post and Jenkins should be rewarded by hits to column and its well-worth the click.
Some choice highlights as teasers but go to the link for the full read:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/johnny-manziel-wants-to-go-long-every-night-but-a-pro-knows-when-to-pass/2014/07/10/a9aaa1c0-0851-11e4-a0dd-f2b22a257353_story.html
Chopped off tons of other great things she pointed out so a lot more at the link.
It is the best article that sums-up Johnny Manziel at this point in time and I believe this time is going to be crucial for his future.
I won't cut-and-paste the entire article because the Post and Jenkins should be rewarded by hits to column and its well-worth the click.
Some choice highlights as teasers but go to the link for the full read:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/johnny-manziel-wants-to-go-long-every-night-but-a-pro-knows-when-to-pass/2014/07/10/a9aaa1c0-0851-11e4-a0dd-f2b22a257353_story.html
The aticle by Jenkins is one of the best I've read on any subject for a long time that gives a staggering insight on Johnny Manziel right now.
Chopped off tons of other great things she pointed out so a lot more at the link.
amnesiac
beer is good
There's nothing amazing about this.
This is the same woman that defended Lance Armstrong and Joe Paterno.
There are no sources from anyone close to Manziel, just another blogger hit job that any JFF hater could have written and already has.
I have no idea if Manziel will be good or not, but...
Why don't we wait and see how he plays first.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hey Soulfly3, er Ojaays ahem.
It is the best article on Johnny Manziel that anyone has put out, the writing is top-notch and she nails the key issue and that is Johnny is going to have to make a decision on what he wants to be and right now is the time he has to make it.
She also wrote an article defending Manziel last summer if you check. The key difference is last year he was a college kid playing college ball and obviously embracing and celebrating his celebrity did not harm last year because the demands of being a great QB in college are not close to being a great NFL QB. She brought up great points and lots of players who point out the difference.
The point of the article is that Johnny Manziel is at a crucial stage of his new career. For him to be a great NFL QB he has to change because the position demands true leadership and respect of team mates if he wants to be a great NFL QB.
Johnny can't continue to embrace his celebrity as he did in college because that won't fly in the NFL.
Oh and Tony Grossi phoned into his ESPN radio program this week when he was out on vacation and he was asked about Johnny and that rolled-up $20 dollar bill and Grossi said something that should give JFF the shivers.
Grossi said that the NFL have the power to place players into their substance abuse program if they have REASONABLE CAUSES. He said that picture is reasonable cause enough to place him into the substane abuse program but that the team and the media would never know but it would mean Johnny would be subject to the same testing protocal that Josh Gordon is in.
Then their has been tons of criticism flung in the Browns direct over JG so Grossi commented on the Josh Gordon fiasco.
Grossi said that last year the team had babysitters for him just so he could get his tests in on-time and he said that many times they had to rush him to to his test and many times barely got there in the nick of time. So it sounds like Josh is really immature and they had to bend over backwards and were doing everything they could to help him out last year. Also Tony said that Gordon went down to South Carolina to lay-low and get away but that running into that NBA guy was purely coincidental.
The fact he blew only a .09 meant he was only a few minutes away from testing legally but Grossi said that isn't the point. He said the pattern of poor decisions is the issue with Gordon and that he really likes Josh and you could hear it in his voice, he really does and he wants him to grow up and that really is the heart of the matter with JG.
The heart of the matter with JFF is the decision of whether or not he wants to be a celebrity or be a great NFL QB because the demands of the position won't allow for both even if some think otherwise he can't play it the way he has and that was the point of the article.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah put out a top-ten list of rookies who have the most to gain in training camps.
Two Cleveland Brown rookies made his top-ten.
Not difficult to guess who he ranks as the number-one NFL rookie with the most to gain on his list.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000365754/nfl-rookies-with-most-to-gain-in-training-camp
Steeler Defensive Coordinator **** LeBeau attended a charity event in Ohio and was asked about Johnny. He said Manziel could push us over the top in the AFCN.
Coach speak but its so rare to hear LeBeau's take on any Brown player let alone a rookie who hasn't played a down that I found that alone newsworthy.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2014/7/18/5916941/johnny-manziel-news-****-lebeau-steelers-browns-nfl-week-1
Two Cleveland Brown rookies made his top-ten.
Not difficult to guess who he ranks as the number-one NFL rookie with the most to gain on his list.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000365754/nfl-rookies-with-most-to-gain-in-training-camp
Camp starts in a few days and Gilbert is one of two rookies who aren't signed.
Steeler Defensive Coordinator **** LeBeau attended a charity event in Ohio and was asked about Johnny. He said Manziel could push us over the top in the AFCN.
Coach speak but its so rare to hear LeBeau's take on any Brown player let alone a rookie who hasn't played a down that I found that alone newsworthy.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2014/7/18/5916941/johnny-manziel-news-****-lebeau-steelers-browns-nfl-week-1
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Bump
Miles Austin and Charles Johnson are practicing today.
Some speculation that Gordon may not get suspended the entire season (see Josh Gordon thread)
Miles Austin and Charles Johnson are practicing today.
Some speculation that Gordon may not get suspended the entire season (see Josh Gordon thread)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Sirius XM training camp report.
Raving on our rookies.
Go to the link.
The paragraphs West and Bitonio but the brief sound clip digs into rookie CB Justin Gilbert.
They say, he's better than what people think and that even though we used a top-ten pick and even traded-up to get him that we got a bargain. Wow. I have always liked Jim Miller and he's echoing what many of the beat writers have been saying about Gilbert.
Also the day we drafted him I poured over every word from Pettine and Farmer and was completely sold after hearing what Mike had to say about Gilbert fitting his system.
Go to the link to hear the quick audio.
Worth the listen.
http://blog.siriusxm.com/2014/08/02/cleveland-browns-2014-training-camp-report-from-siriusxm-nfl-radio/
Raving on our rookies.
Go to the link.
The paragraphs West and Bitonio but the brief sound clip digs into rookie CB Justin Gilbert.
They say, he's better than what people think and that even though we used a top-ten pick and even traded-up to get him that we got a bargain. Wow. I have always liked Jim Miller and he's echoing what many of the beat writers have been saying about Gilbert.
Also the day we drafted him I poured over every word from Pettine and Farmer and was completely sold after hearing what Mike had to say about Gilbert fitting his system.
Go to the link to hear the quick audio.
Worth the listen.
http://blog.siriusxm.com/2014/08/02/cleveland-browns-2014-training-camp-report-from-siriusxm-nfl-radio/
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
hey clevelanders -- I have read that the receivers are all being looked at, etc, but I need to know who is lining up where.
who is the X man?
who is the X man?
MAC_32
Footballguy
haven't been, but everyone I talk to has said the same thing.Austin, Johnson, and Hawkins stand out at wr. We have some very strong backs. This defense is going to be sick. And the qb play has been very uninspiring from both.
Haven't talked with anyone that went to yesterday's scrimmage though.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Their's been some buzz on 2nd yr LB Barkevious Mingo.
Grossi is the latest to chime-in.
He points out something interesting about Mingo's struggles last year, how opposing OTs were able to mitigate his pass rush and how Pettine/O'Rien are going to utilize that speed in coverage more this year. Also Pettine is going to scheme him in creative ways as a pass rusher.
One other point that Grossi brings up is that Mingo is much better in his defensive run fits this year. A big problem he had last year was being out of position but he knows what the offense is doing and where he's supposed to be defensively so hopefully he'll show much better run defense this year.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=35611
https://twitter.com/BrownsForum/status/496188988542439424/photo/1
Good to see Johnny out with his teammates. #Browns #NFL @joehaden23 @chriskirksey20 @JGilbert_21 @JManziel2 pic.twitter.com/hW1VWrG14K
Grossi is the latest to chime-in.
He points out something interesting about Mingo's struggles last year, how opposing OTs were able to mitigate his pass rush and how Pettine/O'Rien are going to utilize that speed in coverage more this year. Also Pettine is going to scheme him in creative ways as a pass rusher.
One other point that Grossi brings up is that Mingo is much better in his defensive run fits this year. A big problem he had last year was being out of position but he knows what the offense is doing and where he's supposed to be defensively so hopefully he'll show much better run defense this year.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=35611
Add a cool twitter pic of Johnny and Haden with two of our defensive rookies. Johnny's charm isn't only a negative. It is possible that it 'can' work very-well especially if he bounds with team mates like in this pic:
https://twitter.com/BrownsForum/status/496188988542439424/photo/1
Good to see Johnny out with his teammates. #Browns #NFL @joehaden23 @chriskirksey20 @JGilbert_21 @JManziel2 pic.twitter.com/hW1VWrG14K
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Brandon Weeden is back near Oklahoma and gave an interview talking about being with the Boys his time at Stillwater and he made some comments about Cleveland, nothing to get excited about but gotta share this where ... well just read.
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http://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2014/8/2/5960549/brandon-weeden-oklahoma-state-dallas-cowboys-cleveland-browns-nfl
One of the funniest moments came when the host asked about Weeden being a leader on the team.
The Host, "So I know you haven't been in the league that long, but for some of the younger quarterbacks, age wise and experience wise, do you think that the
######is on you to help them out?"
Weeden, "Wait, the
######? ..You mean onus?"
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http://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2014/8/2/5960549/brandon-weeden-oklahoma-state-dallas-cowboys-cleveland-browns-nfl
One of the funniest moments came when the host asked about Weeden being a leader on the team.
The Host, "So I know you haven't been in the league that long, but for some of the younger quarterbacks, age wise and experience wise, do you think that the
######is on you to help them out?"
Weeden, "Wait, the
######? ..You mean onus?"
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Johnny taking warmup snaps from Alex Mack. First team reps today??
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
But for the names, you could have just written a Bills camp-to-date review. Something about Lake Erie this year.
