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B-Deep
Footballguy
from jan 2014:
The Big Owe: Cleveland Browns have paid or are paying six head coaches about $49 million not to worknow not all of those were Haslam (most weren't), but Chud was fired 1 year into a 4 year deal. Haslam has not shown that the length of a deal has any correlation to when he pulls the trigger. I have stated before I think he needs to let this play out, I am not sure he will.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Pettine was supposedly a defensive guru and they totally suck on defense this year. Last year wasn't bad for the defense though. The offense hasn't been in the top 25 since 2007 which is amazing. The drafting has been terrible and that is on the GM's.ghostguy123 said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And??
I think they all get fired, and should. Farmer especially. They should have a special ceremony for how bad he is.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
He put his faith in O'Neil, spent more time with the offense, got burned, then dug his heels in when it was clear it wasn't working and refused to adjust.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Yup. I'll be rooting for him wherever he goes from here. Think he might have coaching in his future.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Oh great. Now we are gonna win a couple games and pick around 10 again.
Peak
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
Even players are starting to comment on how this season has turned for the worse:
Why would any coach or FA want to come play for CLE next year? Whether it is blown up or some consistency is maintained, it looks like the organization can't control itself and is spiraling out of control. It makes the draft picks all the more necessary to continue building the roster. Gonna be a long row to hoe with this one.
jurb26
Footballguy
Prepare to be disappointed.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think Goff has the best chance to go #1 but I think in a non qb driven league he probably would be going in the 2nd somewhere. All 3 of those guys seem risky hitching your wagon to.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
What makes you think they won't?
It's been like, a half a day since they benched him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I woulda rather they just let him start. He was going to lead us to the #1 pick, THEN we could have cut him
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It sucks, and nobody ever likes it, but we need a complete house cleaning. I don't mean a rebuild, I mean complete expansion style suck a fat one on purpose for the next couple years complete tear down. It is the ONLY way we will EVER have a chance.
It means trading Thomas, Haden, and anyone else above the age of 26 or 27 who has any significant trade value.
Coaches, GM, scouts, I mean EVERYONE.
It might be the only way to sell the jobs to qualified people. The "spinning the wheels crap" gets us nowhere, and nobody to lead us there. Maybe we try a new approach and maybe just maybe a whole new start and growth of a "new" franchise from the gound up might be appealing to someone who is actually good at what they do and motivated to try to build a team that way. Plus money talks, and there is no salary cap for coaches and player personel people.
MIght be a little out of the box thinking for some, but anything is better than going into 2016 with BS intentions of winning. What a joke that would be, and anyone with any sense who is a coach, GM, or whoever would see right through that trash.
It means trading Thomas, Haden, and anyone else above the age of 26 or 27 who has any significant trade value.
Coaches, GM, scouts, I mean EVERYONE.
It might be the only way to sell the jobs to qualified people. The "spinning the wheels crap" gets us nowhere, and nobody to lead us there. Maybe we try a new approach and maybe just maybe a whole new start and growth of a "new" franchise from the gound up might be appealing to someone who is actually good at what they do and motivated to try to build a team that way. Plus money talks, and there is no salary cap for coaches and player personel people.
MIght be a little out of the box thinking for some, but anything is better than going into 2016 with BS intentions of winning. What a joke that would be, and anyone with any sense who is a coach, GM, or whoever would see right through that trash.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Surely they considered all their options leading up to the demotion...or like every week for that matter.
Considering the people calling the shots, you might be right though.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I also think the owner is limited in his choices. It doesnt mean he isnt an idiot, but I do think Haslem doesnt exactly have people lining up to come here.
If a huge total tear down doesnt draw anyone in, so be it. Even if it doesnt I still think it is the best move for the franchise if it ever wants to win anything ever again.
MAC_32
Footballguy
kinda used to it
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Prepare, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahMAC_32 said:
Peak
Footballguy
While I agree a house cleaning needs to be done, Haslam can't keep firing people and keep paying them. I think Brace put up a post pages back detailing how much money Haslam is spending on previous staffs. That kind of negative cash flow is not enticing to any business. Odds are some or all may stay. I can see an addition come in as President of football ops, maybe a new DC, but not a complete overhaul.
With the instability in the coaching staff, I can't see any quality free agents coming. There may be some just looking for a big payday, but how well do they work out?
I just don't see how they'll turn this thing around next year. The team/franchise seems to take a tiny step forward only to take three leaps back. Frustrating, yet predictable.
With the instability in the coaching staff, I can't see any quality free agents coming. There may be some just looking for a big payday, but how well do they work out?
I just don't see how they'll turn this thing around next year. The team/franchise seems to take a tiny step forward only to take three leaps back. Frustrating, yet predictable.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I understand that some of you think you can't just keep firing people. Sorry, but when you know, you just know.
Yes consistency is incredibly important, but consistent SUCK can not continue to keep it's job.
If we find someone who doesnt show to be an incredible buffoon then sure, we can give them the benefit of the doubt and let them stay a couple extra years to see how it pans out. Farmer?? Good god, he HAS to go. Quadruple improvement would still be total suck.
As for free agents, I dont want to sign any this offseason anyway. I want 15 draft picks and suck for the #1 in 2017.
You all wanna win. Well sorry, we need to suck to ever have any chance to win. It needs to happen. We will not be winning any time soon no matter what we do, so I would rather do it right and gain as much future value as possible using expiring assets and high picks.
Yes consistency is incredibly important, but consistent SUCK can not continue to keep it's job.
If we find someone who doesnt show to be an incredible buffoon then sure, we can give them the benefit of the doubt and let them stay a couple extra years to see how it pans out. Farmer?? Good god, he HAS to go. Quadruple improvement would still be total suck.
As for free agents, I dont want to sign any this offseason anyway. I want 15 draft picks and suck for the #1 in 2017.
You all wanna win. Well sorry, we need to suck to ever have any chance to win. It needs to happen. We will not be winning any time soon no matter what we do, so I would rather do it right and gain as much future value as possible using expiring assets and high picks.
Peak
Footballguy
I agree with you ghost, but I just don't see it happening. There needs to be change, but at what cost? It's easy to say fire everyone and start over when it's not our money paying these buffoons for the next few years.
I don't think we'll have an issue with performance next year, as well continue to suck due to either no change or another influx of young players (drafted and undrafted).
There are too many holes to fill hete:
QB
WR
Run Defense
Pass Defense
DC
HC
GM
I like what I see out of Duke, and the oline isn't terrible - but we need depth. The entire defense should get an overhaul. St hasn't been bad, but that is probably the most consistent group on the roster.
I say keep losing. Draft Lynch or Goff. Hope Gordon comes back with his head on straight. If not, trade or cut him. Move Manziel or cut him. Replace the GM or the HC. Find a new DC. I like Flip. Keep him on for the next group of young QBs.
I hat going through change, but I do get excited when I think of what could be and hope for the best. I guess I'm too delusional to think it will get better.
I don't think we'll have an issue with performance next year, as well continue to suck due to either no change or another influx of young players (drafted and undrafted).
There are too many holes to fill hete:
QB
WR
Run Defense
Pass Defense
DC
HC
GM
I like what I see out of Duke, and the oline isn't terrible - but we need depth. The entire defense should get an overhaul. St hasn't been bad, but that is probably the most consistent group on the roster.
I say keep losing. Draft Lynch or Goff. Hope Gordon comes back with his head on straight. If not, trade or cut him. Move Manziel or cut him. Replace the GM or the HC. Find a new DC. I like Flip. Keep him on for the next group of young QBs.
I hat going through change, but I do get excited when I think of what could be and hope for the best. I guess I'm too delusional to think it will get better.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well of course it isn't going to happen. But it NEEDS to if we want anything to ever change for the better.
MAC_32
Footballguy
and bring in the next shurmur mangini da weeden chud quinn savage romeo colt heckert
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would rather bring in the next one than keep the current one.
Change is always a better option when the current is total suck
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You don't read what people write.
Nobody is saying they are, or that they will.
What we need to do is get the team to the point where some sort of good coach and/or GM or other personnel would want to come here. It just isn't going to be any time soon. In order to do that, we need the ultimate house cleaning. Trade all assets. I don't care what we do with any coach or any front office person, cause it does not matter. We need to completely clean house in such a drastic way that we do anything and everything we can to get the most value we possible can in draft picks for 2016, 2017, 2018...............
The only CHANCE (and yes it is a chance, this sure may not work with idiots drafting) we have at this is to create a young team with potential, with a couple good looking drafts to look forward to, and a good cap situation.
For example, total suckatude for 2016 and 2017, all young players, and make sure the 2018 and 2019 drafts have multiple 1st and 2nd round picks.
We are gonna suck anyway, at least this way we have a CHANCE to acquire talent which might lead to a CHANCE that someone competent will WANT to come here to try and use that young, cap, and picks to build a winner.
Without this, we are 4-12 for the next decade, status quo.
GGs initial plan is to figure out who might be a good GM, offer them the world to allow them to do the picking, and hope we can land someone good at it. There HAS to be a good GM that wants to be overpaid, right? Right??
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franchise punter
Footballguy
It wouldn’t have been popular, but I was all for us trading Joe Thomas if Denver offered a first and a second rounder. There are going to have to be some band aids ripped off. Let the guy experience some success while he’s still an elite talent and we can stockpile picks. Even Ray Farmer could hit on one out of four of the top 60-ish players.
The problem is we’ve got band aids over lacerations and they ain’t doing any good.
The problem is we’ve got band aids over lacerations and they ain’t doing any good.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So you want to get the team to where a good GM and/or coach would want to come aboard? Wouldn't it require a good coach/GM to get you there?
MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
the defense is one of the worst in the league.
It's a thoroughly depleted Baltimore team and on Monday Night. Tremblay has them ranked 2nd. Dodds 4th.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm all for creative thinking, but all this says to me is they haven't watched much of this defense this year. It's New Orleans bad.
rugcleaner
Footballguy
starting them with confidence
To quote someone from somewhere talking about Gabbert
"hoping for a hilarious explosion of turnovers"
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B-Deep
Footballguy
i disagree
no one will take this job as long as the timeline is 2 years. This team is a wreck and needs more than 2 years to fix. If that is the timeline any good candidate will pass. Haslam needs to show he can stand by a decision.
If you change now you'll be changing again in 2017/2018
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
The teams they played this year were not the trash bin they face Monday. No Smith, Flacco or Forsett. And they come off a bye for a rare nationally televised game.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not necessarily, no. It would help, but it's not going to happen.Dr. Octopus said:
Give an average or even below average GM enough quality and value in draft picks, hope and pray they can hit on enough of them to give the team some sort of talented group of players, along with a decent stockpile of picks over the following two years, and maybe we can get someone.
This tear down ugly process would take at least 2 years to get to that point, at least. But IMO it is the only way
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Correct, this team is hopeless.MAC_32 said:Dr. Octopus said:Hopeless.
However, I am thinking about what would give us the best possible chance to be good at some point in the future. To me, this is it.
It's not likely to work, but a 10% chance is better than the zero % chance we are staring at if we keep trying to start each year competing.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So? If you DON'T change now you will still be changing in 2017/2018.B-Deep said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The most important thing we can do for out future is find a competent GM. We HAVE to hit on picks if we ever want to be successful.
The semi-bright side is that the team doesn't have to be any good to possibly attract a quality GM.
If Haslem says "you have complete control and a 5 year guaranteed contract to take the next couple years and completely blow the doors off this roster, stockpile picks, and build YOUR team. Oh yeah, and here is 3 million more per year than the current highest paid GM", I would think that would entice some quality GMs.
I can understand a quality coach not wanting to come here for the S**T show that it is, but a GM is completely different. If that GM can manage to get as much future value as possible with picks, hit on some giving the team some sort of young core of players with some potential, we might actually be able to attract a coach who isn't a total suck show.
No matter what we do, Farmer has to go. Worst GM in the NFL. Worst draft picks, and the worst FA signing with Bowe. Horrific combination, that is almost hard to do even if you try to do it.
The semi-bright side is that the team doesn't have to be any good to possibly attract a quality GM.
If Haslem says "you have complete control and a 5 year guaranteed contract to take the next couple years and completely blow the doors off this roster, stockpile picks, and build YOUR team. Oh yeah, and here is 3 million more per year than the current highest paid GM", I would think that would entice some quality GMs.
I can understand a quality coach not wanting to come here for the S**T show that it is, but a GM is completely different. If that GM can manage to get as much future value as possible with picks, hit on some giving the team some sort of young core of players with some potential, we might actually be able to attract a coach who isn't a total suck show.
No matter what we do, Farmer has to go. Worst GM in the NFL. Worst draft picks, and the worst FA signing with Bowe. Horrific combination, that is almost hard to do even if you try to do it.
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