rizzler
Footballguy
2 Stanford TE's of exact measurements on the field at the same time...it could work.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Moore or Alex Smith?
I guess it comes down to what they think of Jordan Cameron and by all accounts they like him a bunch. Probably could make better use of the pick than TE. I think the Colts are going to take him anyways.Jenkins and Upshaw would be interesting non-WR/OL picks. I think we can go defense here and still be fine at OL/WR in the 3rd and 4th.
rizzler
Footballguy
Based solely on potential, skill set and ability - Id Take Jenkins in a heartbeat.
But like Mac said, we usually shy from the "bad boys" early in the draft... But this guy is a BEAST. He's already shown that he can match elite WRs, and I wouldn't bat an eyelash if he was the pick.
Like I said, some high profile names have said Jenkins is every bit as good, or better than Mo Claiborne. If the guy managed to get his head on straight here, he'd be the steal of the draft
But like Mac said, we usually shy from the "bad boys" early in the draft... But this guy is a BEAST. He's already shown that he can match elite WRs, and I wouldn't bat an eyelash if he was the pick.
Like I said, some high profile names have said Jenkins is every bit as good, or better than Mo Claiborne. If the guy managed to get his head on straight here, he'd be the steal of the draft
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beer 30
Footballguy
You're new here right? Browns fans don't do optimism. At best we are mildly pessimistic about the most upbeat situations. I'm shocked half of Cleveland isn't in flames over the Weeden pick.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
In before the first river on fire joke
beer 30
Footballguy
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
More options at OL then WR considering we need more WR's for Weeden.Expecting to see a Wr taken and whover falls to us out of
Randle, Hill, or Jeffery is ok.
I prefer Hill even though he is rawer due to his speed advantage, and run blocking ability.
Weeden has an arm, threaten them with a big speed guy to get the safety out of the box to help Richardson.
This.I like Weeden. I just didn't like him at 22 with what was left on the board. I didn't think there was a threat to take him before we were up again. With that said if we have 6-8 years of starting caliber play from him and no more QB carousel I think it is safe to say we'll all be happy. Either way he's ours now so we might as well get on board and see what happens.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Not too far off, Captain.
nxmehta
Footballguy
If Heckert actually had Weeden at #13 on their board... then I'm more comfortable with him going at 22. Since Wright went before 22, and there are a TON of OL and WR available now, then basically all we did was miss out on DeCastro at 22. If Heckert thinks Weeden is that good, then I'd rather have the QB than the OG right now- and I love O-linemen.
We can always resign Steinbach if we're in a pickle. We'll get a solid OT today. Not time to panic yet. Let's see what Heckert comes up with today. If we get starters at WR and OT then we'll be great.
We can always resign Steinbach if we're in a pickle. We'll get a solid OT today. Not time to panic yet. Let's see what Heckert comes up with today. If we get starters at WR and OT then we'll be great.
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wadegarrett
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rizzler
Footballguy
code for "noone offered a damn thing"
wadegarrett
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amnesiac
beer is good
if there's no interest, my guess is that Colt realizes what his value is, comes back in, works hard, and waits for his next opportunity. his only other choice is to ask to be cut.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
And Richardson's left leg (atl's 4th).Ya it's good...coulda been better.
amnesiac
beer is good
right forgot the 4th rounder. hard to evaluate till we see them play, of course.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Just one of the bunch of WRs teams are going to start valuing in the next 3 rounds. Little early maybe.I think he blocked the extra point (or was it FG) versus Mich.ESPN...still puts up QB and RB as team needs. Terrible.
cstu
Footballguy
The Chargers did something similar to Brees - look how that turned out. Who knows, maybe this lights a fire under McCoy and he beats out Weeden.
cstu
Footballguy
The only problem I had with the pick was what other team was going to take him before 37? Trade up if need be but I thought 22 was too high. It looks like they got the player they want though and if he turns out to be good then 22 vs. 37 won't matter.
amnesiac
beer is good
they mentioned that on nfl radio today. competition is usually a good thing.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Haven't seen anyone listing Mitchell Schwartz anywhere near this high.
amnesiac
beer is good
OVERVIEW
Schwartz is a versatile player who does many things well but doesn't stand out in any one area, and that's likely the rep that will stay with him through the draft. Schwartz is a guy who makes it off effort and smarts. He has decent size for a tackle, and doesn't display strong skills that would encourage a move inside to guard. His size and productivity at Cal will earn him consideration in the fifth or sixth round.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS He can get overpowered in the run game, but Schwartz plays with good technique. He is effective in his pass set and can sit back and let bigger players run into them yet still be effective by walling them off. He is a heady player who takes good angles to blocks and rarely falls off them.
WEAKNESSES Schwartz's average athletic ability is the greatest knock on him. He is a bit stiff in his movements and out of his stance, and can struggle when working to the second level. He may need to move inside because of the liability he could be outside at tackle.
Schwartz is a versatile player who does many things well but doesn't stand out in any one area, and that's likely the rep that will stay with him through the draft. Schwartz is a guy who makes it off effort and smarts. He has decent size for a tackle, and doesn't display strong skills that would encourage a move inside to guard. His size and productivity at Cal will earn him consideration in the fifth or sixth round.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS He can get overpowered in the run game, but Schwartz plays with good technique. He is effective in his pass set and can sit back and let bigger players run into them yet still be effective by walling them off. He is a heady player who takes good angles to blocks and rarely falls off them.
WEAKNESSES Schwartz's average athletic ability is the greatest knock on him. He is a bit stiff in his movements and out of his stance, and can struggle when working to the second level. He may need to move inside because of the liability he could be outside at tackle.
nxmehta
Footballguy
How many people were congratulating the Browns for Jabal Sheard last year? Or TJ Ward before that?If there's one thing I trust Heckert with it's picking linemen. How much does the ### #### media know about Tackles anyways?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Starting to feel like some unreported negatives turned up for those other guys.The last 2nd round Olineman Heckert drafted was Winston Justice.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Why, because one thing posted here said 5th/6th? The only OT that we've been talking about that I haven't heard anything negative about is Massie. That's not to say he's perfect either or he'd be gone. Also, since nobody has made a trade yet it's pretty clear nobody wanted to strike early today. If Heckert took his #1 tackle left on the board over similar ranked players I think we at least owe this kid and front office a chance on the pick. I really don't think we wanted a guard so they probably thought Glenn wouldn't translate to RT in the pros.
amnesiac
beer is good
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Thank god the hawks didn't hire holmgren as their gm.....god he's horrible.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Says the guy with the Seahawks who drafted 3rd rounders two years in a row in the first round.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It was great until last night.Now? Julio looks much better.Thank God we went tackle instead of one of those WR's though. Get one next round. My wish list is Givens, Criner, and Sanu.
Fensalk
Footballguy
I had him to the Browns in my final mock in the third round. He's a deep threat I figured they needed.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Browns picked a lineman in the 2nd. They also picked linemen last year with their 1st and 2nd. Has that earned BGP's approval? Or should they have picked a lineman at 22 as well?
MAC_32
Footballguy
A long snapper would've been a better pick at 22.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Do the Steelers pick linemen from Cal? Because it seemed like he wanted the Browns to do everything exactly like the Steelers.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Offensive overhaul in progress. They weren't lying!
I'm all in. Make Weeden a game manager type until he's completely comfortable and feed Richardson and keep feeding him the ball.
I like the fact that they have a plan and are working the plan. I'll take Criner next, please. Or Randle.
I'm all in. Make Weeden a game manager type until he's completely comfortable and feed Richardson and keep feeding him the ball.
I like the fact that they have a plan and are working the plan. I'll take Criner next, please. Or Randle.
Fensalk
Footballguy
After a day to think about it, it comes down to this. Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur have staked their jobs to a reach at QB in round 1 who is 29 years old come kickoff time. If he is not the answer, if they have to consider Matt Barkley next draft, it won't be Holmgren or Heckert doing the considering. Randy Lerner is going to fire everyone and we start all over again.
That is a high risk move. No front office wants to be in this situation, but its where ours finds itself, and by its own making. Good front offices don't end up in situations like this, that I'm certain of.
The Browns will be starting a rookie QB this year who probably isn't all that good anyway. Its a developmental year against a brutal schedule. The only way the Browns don't end up with the top pick is if Weeden plays out of his mind.
I'll set the odds at 80% that Holmgren and Heckert are shown the door before the 2013 draft.
That is a high risk move. No front office wants to be in this situation, but its where ours finds itself, and by its own making. Good front offices don't end up in situations like this, that I'm certain of.
The Browns will be starting a rookie QB this year who probably isn't all that good anyway. Its a developmental year against a brutal schedule. The only way the Browns don't end up with the top pick is if Weeden plays out of his mind.
I'll set the odds at 80% that Holmgren and Heckert are shown the door before the 2013 draft.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Same here.I know a WR or two, or three is needed. That said, and I'm sure the whiners will flame for this statement, but I'm still high on Little and don't see a huge difference between him and Julio Jones. I didn't expect anything from Little last year because he was a converted RB turned WR, played what, 1 full season at WR in college? And then missed his senior season. Jones dropped his fair share of passes last year and had a better QB throwing to him, and an overall better offense around him.I'm high on Greg Little. I think the Browns would do well to find a competent WR, preferrably a deep threat. Heckert can only do so much in this draft and it's not a draft rich in WR talent, so no need to draft a WR just to draft a WR. I hope they get a guy or two, but if not, then maybe they can sign an old vet after cuts to hold the fort down.
Fensalk
Footballguy
That isn't going to happen. 1. Pat Shurmur is still calling plays.
2. With Colt McCoy at QB last year, in year 1 of the WCO, Shurmur called 570 pass plays to 415 run plays. This is a pass-first team.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
How do you ignore someone again? I'll keep looking, but any help in the meantime would be appreciated.
ETA: Never mind... found it.
ETA: Never mind... found it.
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