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Expectations would have been fine with an established NFL HC who could handle a talented roster.
Insinuating this would have gone fine with Mike McCarthy is asinine. Kill the established NFL HC theory with all of the fire. The ones available objectively suck.
Unfortunately you have to play all scenarios in the NFL and playing from behind happens a lot so the O-Line is not fine.
Dude. Have a take without the venom. Asinine? Saying the O-line is fine and then agreeing we need to replace the starting tackles is ...
Well said. It was like he is in over his head and has no clue he is drowning. He cannot handle the speed and variables that are required of the job. He might be better suited as an AC but the HC role shows his flaws week in and week out.
This team is a failure with Mike McCarthy. It's worse with Adam Gase. Don't hide behind generic 'established head coach.' The ones available sucked. It's why they didn't have jobs when we were looking for one.
He is improving. He fixed the issue getting plays in on time. He's working in personnel packages that work best. He has other issues but he has shown he will fix issues once they come to the surface. I'm not calling for his head but you have to note what has happened up to this point and keep looking for other issues because he's never done this before on any level.
MacCarthy or Bruce Arians would have gotten plays in on time, any non-novice would have used personnel packages that worked and an established coach with a voice to challenge Dorsey probably would not have been content to go into the season with the current OTs.
This team without Trent Williams: 5-7
But because of Dorsey's mistakes he's probably going to have to choose and won't be able to address the rest of the roster.
This, again, is a generic complaint. How many times were plays not "in on time"? "Ill advised challenges" is plain wrong. Winning a challenge doesn't mean it's ill-advised. There are times that challenges must be made due to the play's effect on the game, win or lose. Personnel packages? Seriously? This is how fans react -- we find someone to blame & then manufacture reasons, even when we are not part of the process with real information.
Trent Williams? Sashi is relevant because if you want to replace Dorsey who are you going to get?This team without Trent Williams: 5-7
This team with Trent Williams: also 5-7
It needs improved and it also didn't lead to losses. It can be both. Is it a priority to safety?
Nobody in their right mind is absolving previous regime's and their mistakes. Bringing them up is simply a distraction from what's right in front of us. One major positive the Dorsey defender's conveniently ignore is the amount of assets he was given by Sashi. What little he's gotten from them should be more jarring, but because everyone is just falling in line with the blame Freddie narrative it gets a pass.
I don't know if Freddie is part of the answer. He's given you plenty of reasons to doubt he is. He's not the source of the problem though. That's Dorsey.
I just want to know the stupid reasoning for such a stupid play call. They showed the field from a wide angle and all you see is open filed from the LOS to 20 yards downfield with the WRs still running away from the QB when they only need 7 yards. I understand running one guy that deep but these idiots repeatedly run everyone that deep when they need 5-7 yards on 3rd down. Just horrible coaching, not surprising however. They did the same thing the week bonehead call the draw play on 4th and a ton. Someone came up with this stupid play and needs fired.
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I wish I could answer this for you. I've been wondering about this scheme I keep seeing over and over again since September.
I think the defense cost us the win yesterday. The game plan was to be conservative - get out to a lead then lean on them til they fell over. We got out to a lead, but instead of leaning on them til they fell over the defense checked out. Next thing we knew we were playing from behind.
Here's the reasoning... The modern NFL has dynamic route trees. Depending on the defense, a receiver is responsible for varying routes. These routes are supposed to coincide to create opportunities. When WRs run deep, the underneath routes are open for the TEs & RBs. That space is also available for WRs to work back to. It is very hard to make all that work unless the QB has time to throw and they are all on the same page.
Agreed. I think some of the defensive problems lie in scheme & some lie in personnel/injuries.
This is a good point. Our WRs have made Baker look bad at times. The Haden INT is a great example from yesterday. Most people probably think it was simply a horrible throw from a regressing QB.
Then that's a horrendous game plan on multiple levels, especially when you're NOT RUNNING THE BALL which is my overall point. Was the 6 rushes in the 2nd half a legit stat I heard? We had 23 in the game and one of the backs was going for about 7 a pop. We weren't down 2 scores until the 4th and it still wasn't time to pack the running game in. Not acceptable to me when that's clearly our path to offensive success.
Review the drive summary's. I expect you to find a few plays to criticize (I mentioned 3), but I think the above summary is much less egregious once context is applied.
As much negativity as I have spewed today I actually don't think we are in that bad of shape...if all fronts are on the same page anyway. This is why I mentioned agendas somewhere upstream. This is the time of year that individuals start pressing their own for self preservation purposes. If those aren't apparent over the next month there will be signs for optimism. Need to weather those storms though.
The thing I've noticed most about Freddie is his lack of situational awareness which both of these posts elude to. When the run is working he is quick to go away from it and to @Bobcat10 point even when you get stuffed a few a plays, you have to stick with your strength. And right now, your strength isn't pass protection, especially against a leading DE/LB in the league. How do you combat an aggressive pass rush? With a draw, NOT A MOTHER####ING SHOVEL PASS THAT YOUR QB IS OBVIOUSLY NOT COMFORTABLE EXECUTING.
Well, in these instances, there is not a single receiver inside he hash marks even remotely close to the 1st down marker. 3 WRs are 20 yards downfield and still running, the RB is way outside if even running a route and who knows where the TE(s) are. they were no where in the picture. It was a wide open middle of the field.
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I don't think there's a snowballs chance against Baltimore unless something changes dramatically and frankly, I've felt for a long time we are going to drop one to Cincy. It would be such a Cleveland thing to do.
I think we have more than a snowball's chance against the Ravens, but nit picking aside I don't disagree with your general sentiment. I think there's a substantially greater chance of something else embarrassing happening between now and the end of the month than us winning 4 in a row. I was just shocked to see once I went digging that short of Pittsburgh winning week 17 I think 9-7 makes it...and as long as it's not just us and Tennessee at 9-7 then we will win the tiebreaker regardless of the scenario.
I'd love to see it because it would do wonders for an otherwise disappointing season just don't think we can get there from here with the way we've been performing.
Pittsburgh could still afford to lose to Baltimore as long as they take care of business against the Cardinals, Jets and Bills (at home). Are these projections assuming Pittsburgh is losing to Buffalo as well?
I think you lose one of those three. Couldn't tell you which one, but I'd be surprised if you win them all. I was wary Duck may be a step up from Rudolph (he clearly was), but asking him to lead the offense to enough points in each to win three in a row? And, yes, I get the team was winning despite Mason sucking. If the defense goes unconscious again they certainly could no matter what Duck does. All that just strikes me as a tall ask when looking at a 3 game sample.
Yup you’re probably right. In all honesty, I don’t really have complete confidence in any of the games that the Steelers have left. They could lose any and I wouldn’t be surprised. However, as has been mentioned here, it also wouldn’t completely shock me to see the Bengals beat the Browns. That’s the state of the NFL. Very few elite teams.
I think Tennessee has a good chance to split with Houston, and maybe sweep them. Tennessee's offense is playing really good right now and should be able to score on Houston's defense.
K1 has a hamstring injury. He was a late add to the injury list last week listed as QUESTIONABLE and had his worst game of the year so he still may be nursing that injury which clearly effected him last Sunday.
As a Ravens fan, I wouldn't say it was a fluke. I'd say the Browns destroyed a very inept defense that has undergone one of the more amazing in-season transformations I've seen. Of their top 6 DBs from the first game, only 2 remain in the same position, with Baltimore adding Marcus Peters (trade) and Jimmy Smith (return from injury) at CB and moving Brandon Carr from starting CB to dime safety. Also their premier run stuffer, Brandon Williams, was an unexpected late scratch that day.
I would agree with this. The Baltimore team you are seeing now is world's apart from the one that lost to Cleveland and nearly lost in OT to Pittsburgh.
If you had modest expectations for the year I think you're going to get it. They may not have looked good doing it but they''ll likely finish 7-9 or 8-8 which is about the best you could hope for from a rookie head coach with dubious qualifications.
i was expecting for something like 9-7, 8-8.
