DocHolliday Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 The Raiders are imploding. If the Browns can run the ball, which they should be able to do, they will beat the Raiders. Waller is out. He is the only player that has done anything consistently all season for the Raiders. Jacobs is a nice RB but he’s not capable of taking over a game with that o line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 i didn't realize the new testing doesn't start until next week. yeah, the Browns might only get a few guys back for tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Please dont kill Chubb tonight for no reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsbrother Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, ghostguy123 said: Not sure how guys are supposed to all of a sudden test negative, especially when they get routine tests. Once you contract the virus you arent going to magically test negative in less than 10 days. This is why I thought postponing the games for 2 days was kind of dumb. Yeah you might get a guy or two back but you're just as likely to have 1 or 2 new guys test positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insein Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Godsbrother said: This is why I thought postponing the games for 2 days was kind of dumb. Yeah you might get a guy or two back but you're just as likely to have 1 or 2 new guys test positive. And now have a short week for next one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Insein said: And now have a short week for next one. Short week for who? Nobody is playing, lol. Line -2.5 for Raiders. Should still be 10+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: Short week for who? Nobody is playing, lol. exactly. this is like a second bye week. IF they can somehow pull out a win tonight, they should be pretty healthy for the last three games and would actually be in a good position to finish strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Monumental task. 20 guys out all at once. In the ultimate team sport that is too much to ask. Honestly if we win today it will be a miracle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insein Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: Short week for who? Nobody is playing, lol. Line -2.5 for Raiders. Should still be 10+ Good point. But still 2 less days of practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, Insein said: Good point. But still 2 less days of practice. Eh was a joke. I probably just rather we had played the game saturday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer 30 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 hours ago, DocHolliday said: The Raiders are imploding. If the Browns can run the ball, which they should be able to do, they will beat the Raiders. Waller is out. He is the only player that has done anything consistently all season for the Raiders. Jacobs is a nice RB but he’s not capable of taking over a game with that o line. You've seen the Browns play, yes? We make run-of-the-mill journeymen look like Hall of Famers. There will be someone on the Raiders tonight that only his momma has ever heard of that will ink a life changing deal next season because of this game. It's what we do. 1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said: Please dont kill Chubb tonight for no reason We have a full Chubb, let's use it...err him. Heard it on the radio, couldn't resist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said: Short week for who? Nobody is playing, lol. Line -2.5 for Raiders. Should still be 10+ -3 now at some shops. Are you saying it should be way more than that? I have no idea what to do on this game -- don't follow either team -- just curious your thoughts. Is Cleveland that decimated to think, of all teams, the Raiders should have their way with them??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Harry Frogfish said: -3 now at some shops. Are you saying it should be way more than that? I have no idea what to do on this game -- don't follow either team -- just curious your thoughts. Is Cleveland that decimated to think, of all teams, the Raiders should have their way with them??? A team losers 20 players all at once. 10 starters including QB. Any team in this situation is incredibly likely to lose no matter what team they play against. I think it should be 10. Gun to my head I would take the raiders all the way up to -14 Edited December 20, 2021 by ghostguy123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracie Smathers Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 History will be made tonight. First female positional coach in NFL history. Stump Mitchell has been out for a while dealing with an undisclosed illness. Cordell has been filling in for him but he's out with Covid. ------------------------------------------ Scott Petrak ct@ScottPetrak #Browns chief of staff Callie Brownson will serve as RBs coach vs. Raiders. Acting RB coach Ryan Cordell tested positive for COVID-19 on Wednesday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat10 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: A team losers 20 players all at once. 10 starters including QB. Any team in this situation is incredibly likely to lose no matter what team they play against. I think it should be 10. Gun to my head I would take the raiders all the way up to -14 I'd be all over the Browns ML if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat10 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Hobbs is out....Browns favored yet? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefD Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Sorry you guys are going through this. Just flat out sucks for the Browns fans and the NFL in general. And I'm always up for a Raiders loss. Good luck tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insein Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 You guys can win. Just not by 7 or more. Locked that in earlier in the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: A team losers 20 players all at once. 10 starters including QB. Any team in this situation is incredibly likely to lose no matter what team they play against. I think it should be 10. Gun to my head I would take the raiders all the way up to -14 I find this fascinating. I will load on the Raiders just because of you, no joke. And they're a team I hate betting on. On the contrary, I LOVE to bet the Browns. But if you are this sure about it, I'm gonna take it soon (at -2 1/2), because I could see it going to 3, with these prevailing winds. And speaking of wind, what about the total? Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Somebody talk me off this cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peak Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Harrison Bryant (TE) and Anthony Schwartz (WR) are active for the game. That's a few more offensive weapons for Mullens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Peak said: Harrison Bryant (TE) and Anthony Schwartz (WR) are active for the game. That's a few more offensive weapons for Mullens. Is this breaking news? And is it significant? I honestly have no idea, just trying to figure out which side to take. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peak Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Harry Frogfish said: Is this breaking news? And is it significant? I honestly have no idea, just trying to figure out which side to take. Thanks! Bryant's a solid TE - young and talented. Will help in passing and blocking game. Schwartz is a burner, a Tyreek Hill type. He'll add some new dynamics that should help open up the running game. I'm also trying to be optimistic and hopeful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish Hammer Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 From the Browns homers - what do you expect from Njoku tonight? Have to choose between him tonight and Everett tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Harry Frogfish said: I find this fascinating. I will load on the Raiders just because of you, no joke. And they're a team I hate betting on. On the contrary, I LOVE to bet the Browns. But if you are this sure about it, I'm gonna take it soon (at -2 1/2), because I could see it going to 3, with these prevailing winds. And speaking of wind, what about the total? Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Chubb, Chubb, Chubb, punt. Somebody talk me off this cliff. I liked it a lot better yesterday when the raiders moneyline was around +140. I still think Raiders -2.5 is a solid bet. That might be a solid bet if just Baker and Keenum were out. 19 other players out, buncha scrubs gonna be thrown into the fire very unprepared. Like I said, ANY NFL team that loses 10 starter and 10 backups, i am betting them to lose if the line is less than a FG. Against ANY other NFL team that is reasonably healthy going into the game as the Raiders are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Polish Hammer said: From the Browns homers - what do you expect from Njoku tonight? Have to choose between him tonight and Everett tomorrow. Prediction?? Paaaaaaaain...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On Cleveland, +3. GO BROWNS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) Lord help us if they keep running slow developing plays. Expect lots of negative plays Edited December 20, 2021 by ghostguy123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said: I liked it a lot better yesterday when the raiders moneyline was around +140. I still think Raiders -2.5 is a solid bet. That might be a solid bet if just Baker and Keenum were out. 19 other players out, buncha scrubs gonna be thrown into the fire very unprepared. Like I said, ANY NFL team that loses 10 starter and 10 backups, i am betting them to lose if the line is less than a FG. Against ANY other NFL team that is reasonably healthy going into the game as the Raiders are. Great call, I should've listened. A big part of it was the fact I cringe at the thought of rooting for the LA/Irwindale/Oakland/Las Vegas Raiders ... so I caved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHolliday Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, DocHolliday said: The Raiders are imploding. If the Browns can run the ball, which they should be able to do, they will beat the Raiders. Waller is out. He is the only player that has done anything consistently all season for the Raiders. Jacobs is a nice RB but he’s not capable of taking over a game with that o line. Raiders should be ashamed that they had to kick a last second FG to beat the backups in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Damn it needed that win. Ugh!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Have to go 3-0 for any playoff hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSteeler Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: Raiders should be ashamed that they had to kick a last second FG to beat the backups in Cleveland. They would most likely say a win is a win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer 30 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 We just don't remember how to win a game like that anymore. Offense could have won with one more 1st down, Defense could have won it by stepping up for a stop. All our kickers suck. I hate loving this team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Frogfish Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ghostguy123 said: I liked it a lot better yesterday when the raiders moneyline was around +140. I still think Raiders -2.5 is a solid bet. That might be a solid bet if just Baker and Keenum were out. 19 other players out, buncha scrubs gonna be thrown into the fire very unprepared. Like I said, ANY NFL team that loses 10 starter and 10 backups, i am betting them to lose if the line is less than a FG. Against ANY other NFL team that is reasonably healthy going into the game as the Raiders are. 3 hours ago, Harry Frogfish said: On Cleveland, +3. GO BROWNS!!! 2 hours ago, Harry Frogfish said: Great call, I should've listened. A big part of it was the fact I cringe at the thought of rooting for the LA/Irwindale/Oakland/Las Vegas Raiders ... so I caved. Reverse jinx is comes through again, lol. Love it, got lucky. Some of these covid lines are good to wait towards game-time and grab after the line/public has moved it too far the other way. There is value to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 55 minutes ago, Harry Frogfish said: Reverse jinx is comes through again, lol. Love it, got lucky. Some of these covid lines are good to wait towards game-time and grab after the line/public has moved it too far the other way. There is value to be had. Or just take the team at +3 when the other team has 20 guys out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Need a lot to happen with a GB loss. Win out and can still win the division most likely. Odds are slim of going to GB and pulling out a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, beer 30 said: We just don't remember how to win a game like that anymore. Offense could have won with one more 1st down, Defense could have won it by stepping up for a stop. All our kickers suck. I hate loving this team. Needed to be just a little bit more daring in the end there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC_32 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 13 hours ago, beer 30 said: We just don't remember how to win a game like that anymore. Offense could have won with one more 1st down, Defense could have won it by stepping up for a stop. All our kickers suck. I hate loving this team. There were signs of this last year, but there were enough big plays late to counter the argument. I think the sample size is big enough now though. #1 offseason focus needs to be on learning how to finish games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 i still thought the Browns were going to win with 30 seconds left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer 30 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, amnesiac said: i still thought the Browns were going to win with 30 seconds left. Yea, we all did. And there was a time when that actually happened. Just been about 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatness Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 9 hours ago, J R said: Needed to be just a little bit more daring in the end there. Same thing I keep telling my wife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer 30 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Caller just summed it up nicely. Disappointed with result but we still control our own destiny which is like giving a pair of scissors to a toddler and telling them to sprint as fast as they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, beer 30 said: Caller just summed it up nicely. Disappointed with result but we still control our own destiny which is like giving a pair of scissors to a toddler and telling them to sprint as fast as they can. i have no interest in looking into all of the various scenarios, but the Browns pretty much have to win the last three at this point, correct? #CHRISTMASMIRACLEATLAMBEAU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) Even with no #CHRISTMASMIRACLEATLAMBEAU, they can win the division if they win their last 2 games. Edit: or what Dez said. http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine Edited December 21, 2021 by J R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man With No Name Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) Miles Garrett - groin pull (said Jim Donovan) Edited December 21, 2021 by The Man With No Name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracie Smathers Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Scott Petrak ct@ScottPetrak Updated #Browns Notes: Kevin Stefanski, Baker Mayfield will be out of COVID protocols in time to face Packers on Christmas but hope to test out sooner. Plus, JJ3 day to day with hamstring injury; no promises for Chase McLaughlin; Joel Bitonio earns praise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Browns waive Jamie Gillan. as of right now, McLaughlin is still on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesiac Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 McLaughlin 4/10 on FG between 40-49 yards. he ranks 37th at that distance. oddly, he is 4/4 from 50+ yards with a long of 57. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, amnesiac said: Browns waive Jamie Gillan. Hopefully that other guy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat10 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/20/2021 at 8:14 PM, beer 30 said: Offense could have won with one more 1st down, 3rd time this year, iirc? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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