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I'd probably prefer Cousins to Carr, but how big an upgrade is either over Mayfield?
Hot take: I'm still not sure the Rams won that Stafford trade. Time will tell based on where the draft picks end up, and Stafford's playoff performance. Stafford was an MVP candidate in the 1st half of the season, but has looked a lot like Goff in the 2nd half of the season(other than the Cardinals game) I'm still of the belief that the Rams overpaid for that QB upgrade.
One could argue Goff had shown more than Mayfield(he did lead the Rams to a Super Bowl after all) but he also always had better weapons, and didn't have a year of constant injury like Mayfield did this year.
If the Browns can get a guy like Russell Wilson or a cleared DeShaun Watson, then I'd say go for it. But if the price for a guy like Cousins or Carr is somewhat similar to what the Rams paid for Stafford, I'd rather just stick with Mayfield.
amnesiac
beer is good
i agree.
just pointing out that we did see a few trades last offseason where teams took on a QB on a one year "can we fix them" deal.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
As a Baker apologist and OU homer I think what is best for both parties player and team is a clean break. I so wanted Baker to be the savior for the Browns. I hoped that Baker could play through his broken shoulder. I was pissed when OBJ's daddy went on social media. I was pissed when Grossi called Baker out, or Mary Kay Calbot just stirred up all the negative all the time. I was on here weeks ago asking if any of the Cleveland media was worth listening to other than the TOXIC radio talking heads. I don't need to rehash what Bracie Smathers stated above about all the accolades. Just wish it would have worked out. Now Baker has fired back on social media basically calling Mary Kay Calbot a liar. https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1479161526330273793 Brandon Weeden all of all people backing up Baker. I just think it is time for both parties to move on.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Here is the tweet responding to MKC
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Baker Mayfield@bakermayfield
Clickbait. You and many other Cleveland local media continue to be drama stirring reporters with no sources or facts. Don’t put words in my mouth so you can put food on your table. I’m not your puppet.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Baker Mayfield must resolve his differences with Kevin Stefanski soon in case they need to co-exist next season; Also, some names that will be on the radar if they don't https://cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/browns-qb-baker-mayfield-must-resolve-his-differences-with-kevin-stefanski-soon-in-case-they-need-to-co-exist-next-season-mary-kay-cabot.html
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Baker is THEE SOURCE not MKC. He knows what is going on in the relationship with the coaches and himself and he is refuting MKC's speculative story of a riff.
Brandon Weedon went down this road and hints that he knows what Baker is going through in this tweet.
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Brandon Weeden@bweeden3
Same stuff different year with her. She can’t help herself…
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Pretty sure Baker and Weeden aren't making things up to sell papers or get clicks.
Seriously peeps gotta chillaxe and not be drama mommas following clickbait rabbit holes.
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Baker Mayfield@bakermayfield
Clickbait. You and many other Cleveland local media continue to be drama stirring reporters with no sources or facts. Don’t put words in my mouth so you can put food on your table. I’m not your puppet.
Quote Tweet
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Baker Mayfield must resolve his differences with Kevin Stefanski soon in case they need to co-exist next season; Also, some names that will be on the radar if they don't https://cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/browns-qb-baker-mayfield-must-resolve-his-differences-with-kevin-stefanski-soon-in-case-they-need-to-co-exist-next-season-mary-kay-cabot.html
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Baker is THEE SOURCE not MKC. He knows what is going on in the relationship with the coaches and himself and he is refuting MKC's speculative story of a riff.
Brandon Weedon went down this road and hints that he knows what Baker is going through in this tweet.
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Brandon Weeden@bweeden3
Same stuff different year with her. She can’t help herself…
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Pretty sure Baker and Weeden aren't making things up to sell papers or get clicks.
Seriously peeps gotta chillaxe and not be drama mommas following clickbait rabbit holes.
amnesiac
beer is good
lol, Brandon Weeden is a #### and has been out of Cleveland for 8 years and had half the talent Mayfield does.
as for MKC, if she's putting this out there, you can damn well bet the Browns want this out there.
here's your interesting leaks, @MAC_32...
edit i don't know how to tag people.
as for MKC, if she's putting this out there, you can damn well bet the Browns want this out there.
here's your interesting leaks, @MAC_32...
edit i don't know how to tag people.
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
What is Brandon Weeden? What does his talent level have to do with this story? So you are saying the sources that MKC has is the Browns organization? Why would the Browns want to start a divide between Stefanski and Baker?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
amnesiac
beer is good
amnesiac
beer is good
Weeden is irrelevant.
i have no idea why. but MKC is generally considered the mouthpiece of the Browns. at least she used to be.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Kizer has spoke as well. Sure they both had horrible records so I guess we shouldn't listen to them. Just put out one word "Preach" https://twitter.com/deshonekizer/status/1479219072558673920
amnesiac
beer is good
listen to them about what?
what insight could they possibly have to the current situation? are they buddies with Mayfield?
I’m seriously sick of everyone with a Twitter account trying to act like they’re relevant.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Insight with the current situation they do not have. Experience with the corporate stooge that is Mary Kay they do. If she's writing it then someone wants it out there and whether real or not does not matter.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Help me out here. You're saying MKC got fed inside information from within the organization to write a story saying Baker has an issue with Stefanski and wants to be traded?
The team would want to intentionally leak that their QB is unhappy and seeking a trade?
Would that increase or decrease trade offers?
Obviously, that will decrease offers if they intentionally paint him as disgruntled and want to get rid of him.
If the team isn't interested in trading him and just wants to rid themselves of him then what is preventing the team from just cutting Baker or benching him if they want to get rid of him? Do they need MKC's permission or something where all moves have to go through MKC's column?
The whole internal leaked story makes no sense on any level. Ridiculous.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I am saying that if the Browns don’t believe Baker is great enough to carry the team to the SB, it is time to try to find that QB. I think we can all agree that Baker is a good QB and it’s a tough decision for the Browns. And, that decision may not be made until after next season based on Bakers contract.
amnesiac
beer is good
i have no idea what anyones motivation is.
i know she didn’t just make this up.
and i know historically she has been the mouthpiece of the Browns.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I didn't pay enough attention to college ball this year to provide any sort of informed opinion, but those that do are insinuating such a QB does not exist in this draft class. Since I do not expect Rodgers, Wilson, nor Watson to come here I think that leaves the list of viable alternatives at zero. Essentially, if Baker isn't it then we're left hoping the Browns disagree with the draftnik community, but will that hypothetical QB be ready before this team's window closes.
beer 30
Footballguy
Just came to post this. If you have a chance to listen to it, you should, right at the end of the Ken Carmen show.
amnesiac
beer is good
IF they continue making good draft picks, the “window” will not have a timeframe until they have to pay a franchise QB.
it may have different players then they currently have , but they are in a position to free up about 40 million dollars from the cap next year.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Baker cost me a championship. All I needed to do to win a championship was for TJ Watt not to get 4 sacks...that is it. Yet Baker couldn't get out of his own way to allow this guy to get his 4 sacks and beat me in what had to be a 50-1 me being a favorite to win. Baker held the ball way too long time after time allowing sacks but the worst one was the 3rd quarter stupifying sack when he rolled out of the pocket started to run then slid down right at the line of scrimmage with Watt standing at his feet. Just check the ball out of bounds dummy.
Probably my 2nd worst championship loss of all time next to the 2015 AJ Green can't get a 2nd half catch so I can be part of a team that won $200K.
Probably my 2nd worst championship loss of all time next to the 2015 AJ Green can't get a 2nd half catch so I can be part of a team that won $200K.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Not good when a 6th round wide receiver in his 2nd season is the teams leading reciver.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
As expected.
Browns plan to move forward with Baker Mayfield as their QB
The Browns will head into the offseason with plans to retain Baker Mayfield as their quarterback for 2022, sources say...
... Mayfield and Browns coach Kevin Stefanski spoke Friday as part of normal exit meetings, and sources say the two are on the same page. The No. 1 overall pick in 2018, Mayfield is entering the final year of his rookie contract -- a fully guaranteed $18.858 million fifth-year option -- and the expectation as of now is he'll play it out in Cleveland.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Pete Smith@_PeteSmith_
Regardless of who plays QB for the Browns next year, the organization will be putting forth effort to upgrade the WR position.
Clint Francisco@ClintFrancisco
Shows everyone what Baker had to work with.
A top receiver in the draft can make a big difference next year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Pete Smith@_PeteSmith_
Does PFF have an axe to grind against the Browns? Here's how they grade them?
- DPJ - 76th
- Landry - 85th
- Schwartz - 110th
- Higgins - 120th
-OZ-
Footballguy
top receiver, like OBJ and Landry were supposed to be? They had the talent to start the year but fell apart completely.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Haven't visited this well before the season.
It shows the team ranking at every position.
Before the season we ranked 'ok' at WR and ranked the highest possible at O-Line.
WR was the lowest ranked on the team at 2.5 which qualified for 13th best in the league PRIOR to the season.
O-line ranked highest at 4.0 which qualified for BEST in the league PRIOR to the season.
FWIW QB ranked second lowest on offense at 2.8 which qualified for 11th in the league PRIOR to the season and Baker's injury, O-Line injuries, WR's not playing well, etc.
BTW the RBs ranked 4.0 which qualified for BEST in the league.
Next year the O-Line will still be good, we may not get a 4.0 ranking due to expected departure of Tretter at C and what 'appeared' to be a step backwards for Jed at LT.
Next year our WRs will get a much lower ranking unless Berry lands a FA WR whale and nabs a blue-chip WR draft prospect. I have faith AB will address WR but doubt we land thee top FA WR AND a blue-chip WR in the draft. I think we'll land an 'ok' FA WR and the 3rd best WR in the draft who I doubt will rate as a blue-chip prospect.
And Baker will rank far lower than 11th best QB in the league next year.
On the bright side the defense took a step forward and 'should' rank higher.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’m just saying the front office attempted to get baker good players on offense. 13th ranked is above average, and the TEs weren’t bad (talentwise) by any stretch. I don’t think the failure is all on baker but he didn’t seem to help.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
So is this the interview where they talk about Mary Kay Cabot? If it is I am not understanding the controversy that it has become. She stated what was reported to her, and he denied it. Also, several other players who have played in Cleveland area seemed to agree that the media maybe bent the truth? Dilfer in the podcast stated that these "journalist" are being told by their bosses to create content.
MAC_32
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Adding Grossi and MKC's nonsense to this thread doesn't make it go away. It encourages more of it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
lol, yeah they're gonna get smoked by the Chiefs.
just kinda sad that as bad as the AFC north was this year (and the AFC in general), the Browns couldn't get into the playoffs.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I dunno. This team experiencing failure like this may be necessary in order for them to learn. Had a couple bounces and calls gone our way that didn't and we make the playoffs then such a learning opportunity doesn't really exist. Maybe this is just the bargaining stage talking, but this team wasn't going anywhere had they made the dance. Future us is more likely to benefit given this outcome rather than the alternative.
amnesiac
beer is good
as bad as this season was, they still had a good defense and a good running game.
that will always give you a chance in the playoffs.
but sure, i'll listen to the argument that sometimes failure makes a team stronger moving forwards.
i thought that's what the Kitchens year was, a failure for the team to realize they need to put in the work instead of reading their press clippings.
maybe this year will serve as a wake up call for Stefanski. he's still a young coach with a lot to learn.
amnesiac
beer is good
MAC_32
Footballguy
I must be maturing because I think I already went through depression and never experienced anger, so once I get through this I can attain acceptance and move on.
amnesiac
beer is good
next season's schedule:
HOME
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots
New York Jets
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
L.A. Chargers
AWAY
Atlanta Falcons
Baltimore Ravens
Buffalo Bills
Carolina Panthers
Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins
Pittsburgh Steelers
Houston Texans
Washington Football Team
HOME
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots
New York Jets
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
L.A. Chargers
AWAY
Atlanta Falcons
Baltimore Ravens
Buffalo Bills
Carolina Panthers
Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins
Pittsburgh Steelers
Houston Texans
Washington Football Team
beer 30
Footballguy
Congratulations on reaching black belt as a Brown's fan
I must be maturing because I think I already went through depression and never experienced anger, so once I get through this I can attain acceptance and move on.
AWAY
Carolina Panthers - Sweet, will get to see them live!!
Trivia note, last time they played @ Carolina was the beginning of the end for Johnny as Luke Kuechly ran him out of bounds on a scramble and he pulled up lame with a hammy.
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Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
That was the most suspect injury I ever witnessed. You could see the fear in Johnny’s eyes!
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Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
I'm sorry if this has been covered, but how do Browns' fans feel about Owusu-Koramoah's 2021 performance?
