MAC_32
Footballguy
we picked a bum for a franchise qb so what do you care anyway.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Way to deflect Mac.
MAC_32
Footballguy
you may be my punching bag for this point but the whole take pisses me off. If Manziel flops the whole thing flops. Get on board or get the #### out.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I don't like the manziel pick.
I am taking about teddy. I said pick 4 would be dumb. Seems many GMs agreed.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I love getting a 2015 1st and Gilbert instead of watkins. Not a fan of the manziel pick. I understand it, but don't like it........mad, but less mad than taking him at 4.....
Tweet dropped like a rock like I thought he should.
Tweet dropped like a rock like I thought he should.
MAC_32
Footballguy
so what will happen to this regimr if this team goes 4-12 the next two years with Johnny. No matter if we picked him fourth or twenty second.You don't get it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
i really didn't like Minnesota but a small part of me hopes they make it to a title game now.But lose to cleveland.
Fan first, but analyst is a close second. You are wrong about teddy. You may or may not be wrong about Johnny, I am willing og I've these guys rope, but I think the he will fail crowd is going to be both nauseating and loud until he proves otherwise.
MAC_32
Footballguy
would it make more sense to you if I drew a picture
MAC_32
Footballguy
hey we drafted our failure at 22 instead of 4! All good now! I cans till root for these guys!Idiocy.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Not the theme I'd have expected from the CLE thread.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If the franchise qb picked at 22 is a failure he would also be a failure at 4. As would the whole regime.
You not getting that is hilarious.
And sad.
If you don't like it stop ##### footing around and root for losses.
The leaders of the team you root for are failures in your kind. You rooting for them defines insanity.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Johnny and Teddy will both be retired after long careers and you guys will still be having this argument.
metoo
Footballguy
I thought Clelevand fans would be happy about the draft and getting a first round pick next year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am happy about that trade, and then the Gilbert pick.
I dont like the Johnny pick though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
i a. Happy bout what we did, the fanbase is torn 50 50 on Manziel and it won't change until after games are played probably not even then. I am not a huge Manziel guy, I am a Bridgewater guy, but I am not screaming failure. I see potential. If you don't then stand by your take.
MAC_32
Footballguy
then they are all getting fired anyway
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
lol\
why?? Because "ghostguy" said so??
Maybe I am wrong. I hate the pick. But not stupid enough to realize I could be wrong
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
Glad Ray did well!
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Flashes of "Draft Day" on that first trade, lol
beer 302
Footballguy
Loved the trade down for what we got, not a Johnny guy but I'm a Browns fan & we just became relevant again for the first time in many years. Would have rather seen Teddy with that pick as I think his size & skill set is a better fit for the NFL but we have a 5'10" gunslinger now, let's see what happens.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not a fan of the little engine that could but don't mind the Brown's taking a chance on him. I think they have a shot to make the playoffs this season led by Hoyer. Some Manziel sprinkles here and there this season however I still think this is Hoyer's team this year as long as healthy. I think they will take the old school "sit and learn" approach with Johnny and that will give him the best chance to succeed.
B-Deep
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
waitDo people think Hoyer is gonna start all season?
Coming off a knee injury with the owners favorite Johnny Football selling tickets and riding the pine?
No way
I don't get it either.
When the cards fell like they did, Manziel suddenly cost a quarter as much. In that 22 slot, he doesn't come with a franchise-defining pricetag any more. He's all upside, and a risk they can afford to take, especially since they picked up a 1st next year, which is like an "erase any mistake free" card. The dynamics of the draft fell in such a way that Manziel doesn't become a cap-crushing albatross if it turns out he can't play. Not sure why the pessimism. This isn't a Tebow situation. You still got a stud position player in round one, and don't have to pay through the nose for your unconventional project QB.
I don't think he's headed for Canton, either. But I don't see how a fan can be all that down on this situation.
If nothing else, with one ten-second announcement from the podium, your franchise added more new fans than every other team combined did last night. That alone packs a dividend.
seems unlikely. only way is if hoyer starts the season and just plays too well to sit. which is prob a long shot. i thought they should have stuck with hoyer and drafted someone in the 2nd or 3rd round.
top dog
Footballguy
The only way this turns out bad for Cleveland is if Bridgewater turns into the next great thing and Manziel just tanks. Making the trades to acquire Buffalo's 1st next year, a huge help in their very poor secondary AND the guy they believe can be their franchise QB??
If both Manziel and Bridgewater don't pan out, they at least didn't waste their top 5 pick on either one. As a Browns fan, I couldn't be happier right now. Maybe Manziel doesn't pan out... Maybe Bridgewater doesn't pan out.. Who knows? At least we didn't trade our second round pick to move up a few spots to take Kellen Winslow. What Farmer was able to pull off was very good. Trading a 3rd and a 5th for a 1st and and 4th, getting arguably the best secondary help AND a guy they believe they can be the franchise at QB? Seriously, how can you not be impressed with that maneuvering?
If both Manziel and Bridgewater don't pan out, they at least didn't waste their top 5 pick on either one. As a Browns fan, I couldn't be happier right now. Maybe Manziel doesn't pan out... Maybe Bridgewater doesn't pan out.. Who knows? At least we didn't trade our second round pick to move up a few spots to take Kellen Winslow. What Farmer was able to pull off was very good. Trading a 3rd and a 5th for a 1st and and 4th, getting arguably the best secondary help AND a guy they believe they can be the franchise at QB? Seriously, how can you not be impressed with that maneuvering?
B-Deep
Footballguy
I disagree slightly, in that if Manziel tanks it is bad for the browns. not as bad as if he tanked at #4 or at #11, but bad. Bridgewater doing well would make it worse.
This draft, and this administration, is going to now be judged on Johnny. It may not be fair, but that's what you buy when you draft him. As of now this group looks to have had a good night, and they have made this team more relevant than it has been since the first team left town.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Outstanding job by Farmer and Co. last night. 
driven in part by the media. i was watching nfl network and they talked about him before every pick. Mayock saying the Eagels were having long discussions about Manziel, and so on. just an example of the idiocy.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Training camp is going to be off the hook.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Sure it was driven by the media, but that is the point
Manziel brings the spotlight....which is why there's no way he sits the bench for Hoyer. They may let hoyer start, just because throwing JF out there for pitt then new orelans then Baltimore is tough, but i kind of doubt that. I think he'll make one or two signature plays in the preseason and that'll be it.
and, btw
the media is driven by the fans, if fans don;t care the media doesn't go there
B-Deep
Footballguy
eric rymer
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Excellent WRs remain at the top of the 2nd, would love to see CLE get a Laitmer or Adams or Moncrief etc.
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eric rymer
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B-Deep
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
One thing that people haven't mentioned yet about Manziel-mania-flying-circus.
We have the coach to handle anything like that.
'Heavy'-Pettine just rolls with everything but he's tough and doesn't take crap either.
Remember his reply when he was told that Lombardi was trying to trade two number-one draft picks for Harbaugh?
He let fly with an expetive and then said, who cares? Love it.
I mean Shurmur would have gone fetal-thumbsucking-dark-closet-knock over ref on sideline - scream at media.
'Heavy' Pettine can handle it.
We have the coach to handle anything like that.
'Heavy'-Pettine just rolls with everything but he's tough and doesn't take crap either.
Remember his reply when he was told that Lombardi was trying to trade two number-one draft picks for Harbaugh?
He let fly with an expetive and then said, who cares? Love it.
I mean Shurmur would have gone fetal-thumbsucking-dark-closet-knock over ref on sideline - scream at media.
'Heavy' Pettine can handle it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
top dog
Footballguy
The more I'm thinking about it, I don't know if WR is the best move here. They still need help on the right side of the line. While upgrading WR is needed, I think they will be fine with Gordon, Burleson, Hawkings and Cameron for the year if they don't get WR help. Can go after a WR with the Bills pick next year if they don't find what they are looking for. Maybe OL here in the 2nd. I honestly don't now much about who is available though. Just thinking out loud.
