The Man With No Name
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Cris Carter: "The Browns are not a bad team".
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Said it at the time to my brother - kick the field goal, don't punt. Oh well. they were supposed to lose it
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Fact is they put themselves in terrible position twice on opportunities where you must cash in. Once after the Dansby INT in the 1st H (simply inexcusable to go 3 and out backwards), and then at the end of the game where they punted.
massraider
Footballguy
What's the read on the running back position? Rhyme or reason to Tate not getting most of the carries?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Tate got hurt, not sure how bad it is yet.
Then TE Jordan Cameron got injured too so they had to scramble in trying to get some sort of offense going and that seemed to make the Steelers defense confused since Hoyer had no choice other than to spread it around and Brian was shuffling it around all over the place. Shanahan had to use both West and Crowell and that also seemed to catch Pittsburgh off guard.
Doubtful if Tate was healthy that Crowell would have gotten those goal line scores or if T-West would have had those carries.
Now?
Who knows?
Don't know status of Tate's injury and now Shanny might use all three of them.
Also Pittsburgh's run defense looked bad and that is one of the reasons why all of the backs looked pretty good.
Tough to pick out one guy or one reason why the running game clicked so well in this game.
massraider
Footballguy
thecardiackid
Footballguy
gotta agree re: the D (for the entire first half anyway). they did look much better in the 2nd, but wow, were they bad. sure it's tough when the O can't get a 1st down, but pettine's rep as a D "guru" was less than inspiring. Gilbert better get his head out of his ### or he's gonna continue to get lit up all season.massraider said:
and glad to see "mr. glass" Tate who couldn't make it through one half of one game w/o getting dinged...
anyway, after puking in my mouth for the first 30 mins via the sunday ticket, it was nice to see them come back and make a game of it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Nah, that's a go for it. If you know you're not going for it on 4th and 7 then call a short of the sticks route on 3rd and 7.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
They did throw about a 5 yard pass which would have probably put them in FG range rather than go-for-it range.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Thought it was beyond the sticks, no? Tried to hit a tight window across the middle and there were no receiving options short.
jurb26
Footballguy
Didn't Haden get lite up even worse than Gilbert? Brown seems to own that guy.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Live action reaction?
Haden was same ole same ole, doesn't get targeted much. When he does a perfect throw is needed, Brown's TD was a perfect throw. He doesn't make big plays unless they're gift wrapped though.
Gilbert was horrendous. Not sure exactly how many '####### Gilbert's' there were, but closer to 10 than 5.
jurb26
Footballguy
Brown was the best performer of the game. He only had 6 targets but caught 5 of them for 116 and. TD. He seems to torch Haden nearly every time they play from what I recall as well.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Just going based off live action memory, I think half of his targets were on screens. He has a history of beating Haden, but I don't think that was the case yesterday.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Mitchell Schwartz gets his fair share of abuse and then some for his pass-pro so here is a pretty interesting stat to ponder when considering how much he helps in the run game.
Keep in mind that the 'strength' of our L-Line is supposed to be on the left with OT Joe Thomas and hot-shot rookie OG Joel Bitonio on that side.
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Glenn Moore @GlennMooreCLE 27m
Breakdown of rushing attempts for #Browns: Left - 6 attempts, 33 yards. Middle - 3 attempts, 13 yards. Right - 21 attempts, 137 yards.
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Add the guy who Antonio Brown burned early-on with the long game was LB Craig Robertson. Robertson got burned on another long pass over the middle. Not sure what sort of coverage packages we were in but it was C-Rob on at least two long passes to Antonio early-on.
After that fiasco, Kirksey saw action and Christian might have earned a starting job considering he looked fantastic.
A-Brown owns Haden though. Its embarrassing. Also Pettine stated he's not benching Gilbert but he is limiting his snaps for the time being. We should have suspected that from his horrible preseason and the fact the club kept 12 DBs. Two free agent rookies saw PT and they both looked 'ok' from the very limited action I saw them in.
Keep in mind that the 'strength' of our L-Line is supposed to be on the left with OT Joe Thomas and hot-shot rookie OG Joel Bitonio on that side.
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Glenn Moore @GlennMooreCLE 27m
Breakdown of rushing attempts for #Browns: Left - 6 attempts, 33 yards. Middle - 3 attempts, 13 yards. Right - 21 attempts, 137 yards.
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Add the guy who Antonio Brown burned early-on with the long game was LB Craig Robertson. Robertson got burned on another long pass over the middle. Not sure what sort of coverage packages we were in but it was C-Rob on at least two long passes to Antonio early-on.
After that fiasco, Kirksey saw action and Christian might have earned a starting job considering he looked fantastic.
A-Brown owns Haden though. Its embarrassing. Also Pettine stated he's not benching Gilbert but he is limiting his snaps for the time being. We should have suspected that from his horrible preseason and the fact the club kept 12 DBs. Two free agent rookies saw PT and they both looked 'ok' from the very limited action I saw them in.
Peak
Footballguy
I'm finding it a little discouraging that there are no injury updates for Cameron or Tate yet. Even in the presser Pettine alluded to using the "wait and see" approach. Either he's trying to be cute and make NO over analyze and over plan for all variables this weekend, or its bad news and he doesn't want to share it yet.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
All kinds of good and bad on Sunday but man, I'm rooting for Hoyer more than ever now.
amnesiac
beer is good
MAC_32
Footballguy
Way too early for that talk, he just confirmed what I thought of him coming into the league. Will Pettine and O'Neil be able to develop him? That's the key, they're gambling on themselves doing that.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Don't know about Dennard (I wanted him late #1 instead of Gilbert early 1 though), but Roby was a terrible 1st round pick anyway.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Can't give updates on a lot of injuries the day after they happen unless the initial MRI shows something. If there's swelling, in most cases, have to wait for that to go down before performing tests. Wednesday is usually a better day for updates.
Peak
Footballguy
Just read that CLE is working out TE Kellen Davis. Possibly Cameron's injury will keep him sidelined a few weeks?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192865-browns-work-out-tight-end-kellen-davis-according-to-report
Also read that a TE from the practice squad was signed to the roster today. I'll try to find the article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192865-browns-work-out-tight-end-kellen-davis-according-to-report
Also read that a TE from the practice squad was signed to the roster today. I'll try to find the article.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I guess Hoyer was only under pressure on 8 throws according to PFF.
Someone took the raw stats posted by Glenn Moore and posted this story. Actually corrected a small error in Moore's rush stats.
This story shows that RT Mitchell Schwartz is the lynchpin of the running game.
Who would have thunk it?
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/09/09/right-side-is-where-the-run-is-for-the-browns/#.VA9DV3IguuY.twitter
Someone took the raw stats posted by Glenn Moore and posted this story. Actually corrected a small error in Moore's rush stats.
This story shows that RT Mitchell Schwartz is the lynchpin of the running game.
Who would have thunk it?
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/09/09/right-side-is-where-the-run-is-for-the-browns/#.VA9DV3IguuY.twitter
I guess Schwartz's strength in the running game is why Pettine has steadily been in his corner every time he's been questioned about Mitchell.
saintfool
Dead sexy
kellen can't catch. he's much more a blocker than anything. it's a complete reach to think he does anything even remotely like cameron.
amnesiac
beer is good
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Good post Bracie, Schwartz takes a lot of crap because of his pass blocking difficulties,but maybe this will help people notice where he shines.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I know, I know, draft talk in early September? Crazy talk but this doesn't sound as fantastic as it would a few days ago.
Oh and this doesn't come from Cleveland, it originates from Dallas and not just any beat writer. This comes from the venerated draft guru Rich Gosselin.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20140908-gosselin-if-i-m-cleveland-browns-i-m-calling-jerry-jones-today-and-offering-johnny-manziel.ece
If Dallas tanks, quite possibly, they will have to take a QB high in next year's draft and if they pick high in the first round they would have to pay MORE than what we are paying Manziel who was taken later in the first round.
Considering Buffalo won their opener that first round pick may not be as high as originally thought but they still might fall to earth and Dallas could always turn things around and Hoyer could go down at any time but... you know Jerry Jones would love to land Johnny Manziel. Even if the Boys season goes down the tubes he'd have his ace in the hole for next year and beyond with JFF.
We could structure a deal based upon where Dallas selects next year. If its in the top-fifteen then we only get their 1st round pick but since we used not only the 22nd pick but also kicked-in that 3rd round pick to move-up for Manziel if their pick falls below the 15th pick or if Johnny wound up starting and played well we'd have to get more than a mid-late first round pick.
The chatter that Dallas paid Romo and that means they can't use a high pick on a QB due to the cap hit goes out the window should the Boys wind up with a high pick in next year's draft. They probably couldn't have made that move this year because it was Romo's first year into that contract but if he gets injured or sucks or simply plays as erratically as he has played the past couple of seasons and Dallas has a down year then they will make a move no matter what the cap implications are IMHO so this projected trade isn't as whacked as it sounds and certainly not as crazy as it would have sounded a few days ago.
Oh and this doesn't come from Cleveland, it originates from Dallas and not just any beat writer. This comes from the venerated draft guru Rich Gosselin.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20140908-gosselin-if-i-m-cleveland-browns-i-m-calling-jerry-jones-today-and-offering-johnny-manziel.ece
More from the above chat:
Romo is 34 and has a bad back and ... well we know what the Cowboy fans think of him and we also know Jerra loves Johnny Manziel. This isn't as crazy as it sounds. They can't 'groom' grandpa Weeden as their QB of the 'future' that is for sure.
If Dallas tanks, quite possibly, they will have to take a QB high in next year's draft and if they pick high in the first round they would have to pay MORE than what we are paying Manziel who was taken later in the first round.
Considering Buffalo won their opener that first round pick may not be as high as originally thought but they still might fall to earth and Dallas could always turn things around and Hoyer could go down at any time but... you know Jerry Jones would love to land Johnny Manziel. Even if the Boys season goes down the tubes he'd have his ace in the hole for next year and beyond with JFF.
We could structure a deal based upon where Dallas selects next year. If its in the top-fifteen then we only get their 1st round pick but since we used not only the 22nd pick but also kicked-in that 3rd round pick to move-up for Manziel if their pick falls below the 15th pick or if Johnny wound up starting and played well we'd have to get more than a mid-late first round pick.
The chatter that Dallas paid Romo and that means they can't use a high pick on a QB due to the cap hit goes out the window should the Boys wind up with a high pick in next year's draft. They probably couldn't have made that move this year because it was Romo's first year into that contract but if he gets injured or sucks or simply plays as erratically as he has played the past couple of seasons and Dallas has a down year then they will make a move no matter what the cap implications are IMHO so this projected trade isn't as whacked as it sounds and certainly not as crazy as it would have sounded a few days ago.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The good news.
Josh Gordon suspension is reduced.
The bad news.
Josh Gordon suspended for 10 games.
The worse news?
If Gordon plays more than 4 games this year he gets credit for a full NFL season so we get doubly screwed since he's going to ask for an enormous boost in pay so we'll face a big salary cap decision on his future worth next year if he plays more than 4 games this year which seems like a lock.
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Jeff Schudel @jsbrownsinsider 3h
If J.G. plays only 4 games it would not constitute as a credited season, per source, Would still have '15 and '16 on his contract. #Browns
Josh Gordon suspension is reduced.
The bad news.
Josh Gordon suspended for 10 games.
The worse news?
If Gordon plays more than 4 games this year he gets credit for a full NFL season so we get doubly screwed since he's going to ask for an enormous boost in pay so we'll face a big salary cap decision on his future worth next year if he plays more than 4 games this year which seems like a lock.
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Jeff Schudel @jsbrownsinsider 3h
If J.G. plays only 4 games it would not constitute as a credited season, per source, Would still have '15 and '16 on his contract. #Browns
MAC_32
Footballguy
big contract that's completely void able if he gets pinched again or a never ending series of franchise tags.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG_E_WNnNp0&list=UUwNvdtSQfkljyW_FT-BNZWA
what's this dude's deal?
what's this dude's deal?
amnesiac
beer is good
i can't describe how happy this would make me. especially if they got, say, a first and a third.
personally i'd settle for a second.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Nice win, boys!
This one just knocked a crapload of people out of my survivor pool.
This one just knocked a crapload of people out of my survivor pool.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Nice win . Hopefully many more to come.
Bills are 2-0
Bills are 2-0
Tanner9919
Footballguy
great win! should be 2-0..Kyle Shanahan showing some talent as an OC! if he keeps it up he'll be on a short list for HC jobs next season ...very impressed with this offense thus far..kudos!
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Bears/Phins seems like an ideal start to the season to me. This still could play out favorably for us. That said, they do seem to have a nice schedule overall.Bills are 2-0
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf5Rz6KneTo&list=UUwNvdtSQfkljyW_FT-BNZWA
love this guy. hoyer is the "ultimate game manager"... slight change of tune from "####### sucks".
ps. manziel looked solid today. just saying amnesiac, maybe you should give the kid a chance. he's real good.
love this guy. hoyer is the "ultimate game manager"... slight change of tune from "####### sucks".
ps. manziel looked solid today. just saying amnesiac, maybe you should give the kid a chance. he's real good.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
This is about as positive as I have been about a Browns season at this point in the season since they came back 15 years ago. They aren't going to win 12 games, but they could be at least an 8 - 9 win team and compete for the playoffs. Usually at this point in the season I have a list of about 8 positions that need a serious upgrade before next year if the Browns are going to be competitive, but that's not the case this year.
Should be a fun season.
Should be a fun season.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Don't have to win this week, obviously would be a huge boost, but have to take advantage of soft schedule after the bye. 5-3 going into the primetime game against Cincy is very reasonable and I'll be disappointed with anything less.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
anyone who picked the Saints on grass got what they deserved.Nice win, boys!
This one just knocked a crapload of people out of my survivor pool.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
c'mon bro. he delivered a strike and his receiver dropped it.
