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I think you are the one asleep at the wheel. All sorts of reports coming out about the Pats turning down better offers from the Browns. Maybe the reporters are asleep at the wheel?? Lot of people asleep at the wheel. Watch out on the roads people. Be safe.
Obviously I was going with what I knew at the time and new info means a new opinion. Now it looks like BB that was asleep at the wheel (more likely going scorched earth) and selling the guy for less than what he could have gotten from Cleveland or someone else.
Sometimes when things are so obvious to most everyone else, you should take a step back and not call people out so hastily and harshly.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle
Link to a lengthy thread discussion of the article:
We need an upgrade and insurance for JG. TP and Landry would definitely fill the bill. Not sure that happens but it is a good idea to kick around.
While I tend to agree about Cleveland not being an attractive destination for a WR, they probably shouldn't be throwing a ton of money at a free agent WR anyway. If they draft a rookie QB and add Barkley at pick 1.04 (or even if they take Chubb or Michel in Round 2), Gordon, Coleman (assuming they keep him), Higgins and a cheaper veteran liker Decker or Amendola would be fine for 2018 in what is still a rebuilding type year.
This isn't going to be a "only positive comments allowed" type thing.Apparently only Browns fans are ALLOWED to post here. I did not get that memo. I'm here to talk about the team. Sorry my reality is impacting your fantasy...some one give me the "one QB away" response...I've only seen it 1,000 times on this thread. I wonder how many years you guys have said that while filling the coffers of your horrible owner.
Want to help your team? Put the gear in the closet for 3-4 years, and commit to not spending one CENT on this horrible dumpster fire of a franchise. That's how you'll help. When the NFL see's ZERO fan support and a franchise that is costing them $$$ they will force a change in ownership. Not only has he done nothing for your team, your owner has some very questionable business practices where i ripped of poor customers. https://deadspin.com/browns-owner-avoids-federal-prosecution-with-massive-se-1604799901
What an owner and franchise that deserves your loyalty...
WE GOT THE GUY WHO WAS ASSISTANT GM OF A TEAM THAT WITHOUT AARON RODGERS LOOKED LIKE THE BROWNS!
WE GOT THE GUY WHO WAS ASSISTANT GM OF A TEAM THAT WITHOUT AARON RODGERS LOOKED LIKE THE BROWNS!
TAKE THAT BEACHES!!!
I think the bed's been made for 2018. Just hope that whatever happens between now and Hue getting canned Dec 31 doesn't negatively impact 2019.
I do like this move. There is now a trio of like-minded individuals who have history working with one another towards a shared vision running the FO. That is a great start at building a solid foundation. This is probably the strongest FO the Browns have had since 1999. Now if only they can show Hue the door, the stage is set nicely to support a young, upcoming HC to lead the winless Browns into the future.
Most likely you're right. But if they go winless the first 4 games in the season, could that be a tipping point? If they bring in Ryan as the OC, it could be a good situation to groom the young guy as an HC. Just sayin'....
I'd much rather have a young, energetic, etc person to "groom" as a #2/#3 then a buddy buddy has-been hire to smoke a cigar with the GM every evening.
Unfortunately, only the owner can fix the owner problem. So while we get the point you've been trying to make all along, we don't dwell on it because we've pretty much lived it our entire lives. Plenty of sports franchises have won despite ownership. You have some theories on how to force ownership out (like stop going to games, etc), but in the end we're a very very small segment of Browns fans on a message board that just want to talk about ways to improve the team, players, games, coaches, front office, things we have actual insight into, etc. I hope you can appreciate that going forward.
My point is, the players see the situation as much as you do. I have heard browns fan say "we have the most cap space, yada, yada" ,...top tier players with options will not come to CLE. They know it's a good chance they will not succeed and kill their career. Hopefully the draft is the answer and the team shows the smarts not to keep passing on top QB talent.
No question, but who are you grooming him for? I guess that's my point, I don't see this as a replacement for Dorsey simply due to the timing. Wolf was already getting interviews so unless Dorsey is one-and-done I don't see how this becomes a big benefit for Cleveland.
I don't know, maybe short term benefit and he moves on, maybe here long term, maybe not, who knows. If Wolf is going to leave after 1 season, I'm willing to bet he brought something of value to the table during the year that possibly carries on, and with Berry/Highsmith in the fold maybe his spot wouldn't even need backfill.
You're right, they do see it. They also see big moves being made on the management side and I've heard some agents did not like Sashi.
I guess going 0-16 is historic, so is 1-31...oh and making the playoffs once this century...yep....exactly what makes players with short careers want to play for you. The playoffs are such a pain with all the extra work, and who wants to win trophies....they are so much clutter.
Like a moth to a flame. Managed to not be a total doosh for right around one post. Then quickly regressed to the norm. I can only guess his team doesn't have a thread since he spends all his time whining about the Browns in this one.hoffman0001 said:
As a long time Detroit fan I completely understand that...the offseason is usually the peak of my optimism as well.
I asked you nicely to be way cooler. Take a few days off and if you come back please be way cooler.hoffman0001 said:
The roster certainly is not void of talent. The difficult part is changing the culture. Keeping a coach who went 1-31 is a baffling move. Hope they can turn it around but I am not as optimistic as you are.
We have proven, time after time, that CHANGING coaches does not work. Let's give continuity a try for once.
This is great. And actually a bad owner situation can be fixed if the bad owner finally just gets out the way.Bracie Smathers said:
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 3h3 hours ago
The #Browns are hiring #Packers executive Eliot Wolf, source said. Big hire for GM John Dorsey.
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Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
#Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around.
As much as I believe that continuity is needed for this organization, the only continuous things are Haslam as the Owner and Jackson as the HC. The FO has been revamped, as well as up to 7 positional coaches (Offense, ST). The opportunity for continuity has gone out the window. If Hue showed even an inkling of being a good HC in 2017, I'd be all for him staying on another year. But he was horrible. He mishandled the QB situation from Week 1. He's constantly been throwing players under the bus after every game. He hasn't figured out how/when to use TOs or even find the challenge flag at times. He's a joke of a HC. That is the most baffling part. Everyone outside of the Haslams can tell he's just not a good HC for this team, and yet he's the one that sticks around. To quote the great Vizzini, "It's Inconceivable!!"
Not to mention the misuse of the personnel he was given, putting his players in position for their weakness to be exposed rather than masking them, calling plays seemingly at random without any regard to the situation, the failure to make any adjustments when we were competitive/playing with the lead into the 2nd half, and that he actually admitted that he needs the personnel to fit his scheme - hello square peg and round hole.
We have proven that changing coaches to another scrub coach that nobody else wants doesn't work. Hue probably doesn't fit that last comment because he was sought after by other teams, but other than that it's true. We have also proven that new front offices keeping a lame duck coach to appease the owner turns out to be a waste of time.
The last hope I have is this January 13 thing is real and Flip left on good terms. I can't imagine a Pats coach would consider coming here. So, that's it. If Philly loses does anything shake out Monday. If not then it's over.
Something about Hue having this massive buy out if he's canned in less than 2 years. He was hired January 13, so Sunday would be > 2 years. It was in a group text with a twitter screen shot and I didn't do any additional research so it's probably not true, but almost certainly fake news is the last shred of 2018 hope I have,
