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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You do not take a press-man border corner who has a thin frame and struggles with big-strong WRs and make him a FS.
He posted the Browns team unit grades with projections.Bracie Smathers said:
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Mike Clay@MikeClayNFL
2020 Cleveland Browns #ClayProjections
>> LINK >>
>> 2020 Cleveland Brown projections
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Nothing too surprising here but its interesting to see all of the other teams and who they are focused-in on.
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Tom Kislingbury@TomKislingbury
Here's all visits by team broken out by position.
Some things I see:
>> LINK to graph of visits by team broken out by position
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According to the chart we've had the most O-Line and TE 'visits' of any NFL team but zero safety 'visits' which is a bit of a surprise.
Its interesting to see everything put together like this especially noting the top interest of other AFCN teams.
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Tom Kislingbury@TomKislingbury
Here's all visits by team broken out by position.
Some things I see:
- - The Bucs are looking hard for more OL help.
- - The Rams want another RB
- - The Cowboys are focusing on defense
- - The Ravens know they need a LB
- - The Browns and Jets need some big O linemen in the worst way
>> LINK to graph of visits by team broken out by position----------------------------------------
According to the chart we've had the most O-Line and TE 'visits' of any NFL team but zero safety 'visits' which is a bit of a surprise.
Its interesting to see everything put together like this especially noting the top interest of other AFCN teams.
- Steelers had most 'visits' with O-Linemen (they lost Ramon Foster to retirement) is a bit surprising as is zero QB visits
- Ravens showing interest in LBers isn't a surprise
- Bengals showing most interest in LBers is a surprise
daveR
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm not too cool I guess. 
They're great, some minor tweaks to the the vintage look and the recent color rush scheme , how it always should have been without a complete redesign/color scheme change in '99. The last batch of uniforms were complete trash. I hated looking at them at least. It's ok to have nice threads whether you stink or you are SB champs....way better than XFL'ing up your look.
Players buy into this stuff as much as the person going as fast as they can to the online store....maybe it will make some of them think more positively, you don't know how morale could be lifted because of it. Myles and others are out there tweeting how they are fire. I can say from personal experience coaching kids these days...it matters...and that's exactly what much of the league is.
Did you see the hot trash Atlanta is going to trot out this year? ATL, lol.
The draft stuff gets nauseating at times with so much info out there. I'll put my stamp on trading back (not too far though)...I think that's what we're going to do unless our main target or 2, which is probably a LT, falls to 10. I have no idea who those targets are, nor should I. But tackles are deep and good, so who knows.
They're great, some minor tweaks to the the vintage look and the recent color rush scheme , how it always should have been without a complete redesign/color scheme change in '99. The last batch of uniforms were complete trash. I hated looking at them at least. It's ok to have nice threads whether you stink or you are SB champs....way better than XFL'ing up your look.
Players buy into this stuff as much as the person going as fast as they can to the online store....maybe it will make some of them think more positively, you don't know how morale could be lifted because of it. Myles and others are out there tweeting how they are fire. I can say from personal experience coaching kids these days...it matters...and that's exactly what much of the league is.
Did you see the hot trash Atlanta is going to trot out this year? ATL, lol.
The draft stuff gets nauseating at times with so much info out there. I'll put my stamp on trading back (not too far though)...I think that's what we're going to do unless our main target or 2, which is probably a LT, falls to 10. I have no idea who those targets are, nor should I. But tackles are deep and good, so who knows.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I heard this awhile ago and its resurfacing.
2020 NFL Draft Trade Rumors: Falcons 'Appear Poised' to Move Up from No. 16
Connor Rogers@ConnorJRogers
He’s been excited about this for months LINK to vid of Atlanta GM indicating he wants to move-up
11:21 AM · Apr 15, 2020·
----------------------------------------------------- EDIT: Pete Smith on top of it.
>> LINK  Atlanta Falcons A Potential Trade Partner? ----------------------------------------------------
Saw rumors of Denver wanting to move-up and of Oakland also looking to move-up, Pete adds so if the guy we want isn't available we 'may' have options.
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daveR
Footballguy
Above somewhere, it was suggested that DEN would trade a 3 + a 3 to move up to #10 for a WR. Earlier, I had suggested that I would trade a 3 + a 3 for Trent Williams.
So, the question becomes... Would you swap #1s with DEN in order to acquire TW?
FWIW, I personally doubt they'll do the obvious by spending #10 on OT, though that would be my preference. It seems the pick has too much value.
So, the question becomes... Would you swap #1s with DEN in order to acquire TW?
FWIW, I personally doubt they'll do the obvious by spending #10 on OT, though that would be my preference. It seems the pick has too much value.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If I think we can get a cost effective 21 year old starting caliber left tackle in the draft then I want nothing to do with an expensive 32 year old Trent Williams.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We're not trading for Trent Williams. Its just not happening from everything I've seen.
FA Jason Peters is still available and would provide time to get a young'un up to speed. As I've been saying I doubt we have all of the top-four OTs rated as top-ten picks because their is disagreement on how teams are rating those guys.
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Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
The group with the least consensus: Top offensive tackles. It’s Tristan Wirfs (Iowa), Jedrick Wills (Bama), Andrew Thomas (Georgia) and Mekhi Becton (Louisville) as the top 4, but no one has the same order. Thomas may be the “safest,” while Becton has the most potential.
1:53 PM · Apr 15, 2020
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If 'our guy(s) are not available we 'should' be open to trading-down and we'd have options.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886508-2020-nfl-draft-latest-buzz-surrounding-every-nfl-team
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yep, the new contract seems to easily get overlooked. And really, what are you then getting? He hasn't played a down since 2018 and hasn't had an 80% snap count since 2015. I don't know all the details from those seasons, but he just seems like a hard pass for me especially with this crop of talent in the draft.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Clowney? F IT. Let's get him. What's he want? 30 mill a year?
MAC_32
Footballguy
This is the final year of 'cheap' Myles. There are only two more years of 'cheap' Denzel/Baker. He's not any more than marginally better than Vernon (if that). Either this year or next will be the last one with both Beckham and Juice. 2021 will likely be our last year with Chubb. The only DT signed beyond this year is Richardson. The last group did a terrible job accumulating functional depth, so there will be holes that develop that need patched in free agency because there aren't young guys ready to step into the lineup as existing starters contracts expire or performance deteriorates.
Signing Clowney for more than one year will take a big chunk out of next year's already high cap. It'll also significantly decrease our roll over. If he's receptive to a one year prove-it deal then I may not cry foul, but it depends on the cost and what then happens with Vernon. But there's also no reason to believe he will sign for that - not right now anyway. So it's a moot point.
Clowney is to 2020 what Gerald McCoy was to 2019. He's a veteran that fans know - fans that don't care about the cap.
Dez
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
God no. We'd go nowhere near that asking price.
Yep, he's come down after getting no bites in FA and the last rumor I saw was in the $17 million range one-year prove-it deal.Everything Mac said is spot-on but I don't know how Vernon's deal is structured and if signing Clowney to a one-year deal would be a trade-off with the cap hit.
If we'd have to offer Clowney a long term deal or take a significant cap hit then stick with Olivier Vernon for another year and draft someone since FA DE Adrian Clayborn is strictly a RDE leaving us thin on the left side considering Vernon's injury history.
Dez
Footballguy
The story that never ends.........so annoying being a Browns. They paid a premium to get this guy last year a mid 1st, a 3rd, Peppers a former 1st and most said Cleveland won this trade in a landslide and people were bashing the Giants. Now a year later reports of a 2 and 5 which would been absurd yet some said that been a good deal for the Browns (on local sports radio).
"According to Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report, sources with several teams said that they believe it's only a matter of time before Beckham is traded from the Browns, and they don't believe it's because of a perceived attitude problem with Beckham."
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/some-teams-believe-browns-will-eventually-trade-odell-beckham-due-to-offensive-fit-per-report/
"According to Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report, sources with several teams said that they believe it's only a matter of time before Beckham is traded from the Browns, and they don't believe it's because of a perceived attitude problem with Beckham."
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/some-teams-believe-browns-will-eventually-trade-odell-beckham-due-to-offensive-fit-per-report/
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Dez
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Dave Stauff
Footballguy
"People have the wrong idea of who he is as a person," said one general manager. "The issue, instead, is that Beckham isn't a good fit with quarterback Baker Mayfield."
What do you Browns insiders make of this statement? An indictment of Mayfield's ability to take advantage of Beckham's enormous talent, some personality disorder on Beckham's part that discourages Mayfield from targeting him, or an NFL GM blowing smoke rings out his ####? Just a curious statement to me . . .
What do you Browns insiders make of this statement? An indictment of Mayfield's ability to take advantage of Beckham's enormous talent, some personality disorder on Beckham's part that discourages Mayfield from targeting him, or an NFL GM blowing smoke rings out his ####? Just a curious statement to me . . .
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
OBJ had a thousand yard season last year. He faced bracket coverage each game. Jarvis Landry had his best season with the Browns since OBJ was taking the coverage. OBJ had core muscle surgery right after the season. OBJ showed me a lot more than I expected last year considering he was dealing with an extremely painful injury and played through it, was great helping others and doing his work as-advertised.Dave Stauff said:
OBJ was doing his job while Baker struggled but Baker's struggles was a separate issue that people conflate since its easy. Baker was under pressure but their is something else. Its complicated and technical and I'm not about to get into it right before the draft but its a 'Baker' thing unrelated to OBJ.
The 'anonymous' GM may have a theory about personality fits but their is a tangible/different issue with Baker that needs fixing.
Better protection, real NFL coaching/no Kitchen, along with the outside-zone combined with Kubiak roll-boots will go a long ways toward fixing the issue but Stephanski mentioned 'footwork' and that gives a clue of what the 'Baker' issue is. I think the GM was hinting at something about personalities but with OBJ having successful core-muscle surgery and Baker getting better protection, a scheme that fits him, and the main issue that Stephanski is on top of that we'll see a totally different dynamic if Baker fixes the issue that developed last year.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Even though he can tough to root for at times, I hope Beckham returns to his 2014-2016 form. He was so fun and exciting to watch those first three years, but he hasn't been all-world the last three seasons, some of it due to injuries, and some due to bad QB play. We know he still has the talent to be one of the top WR's in football, but the question is, can he find his way to being that all-world guy again. I am rooting for him.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
You've heard me contribute my $.02 that a trade down to 15 with DEN is way too logical not to happen. I'm starting to think that that just gets the ball rolling. From 15, there's a good chance they continue to trade down, maybe PHI at 21 or MIN at 22. (as ever, anything from daveR is purely for fun & speculation. All rights reserved, etc., etc.)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
If we wind up trading-down it would mean our guy(s) had been selected AND that we would be targeting a player at the spot where we'd trade-down to.
Pete Smith put out his final mock a few hours ago with a trade-down w/Atlanta due because he has the players we want getting selected before #10.
FWIW I don't like the trade-down. Not enough return IMHO and at that-point in the draft it seems like a reach.
Cleveland Browns 2020 7-Round Mock Draft, Vol. 7 (Final)
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't understand how you can objectively assess a trade-down before it actually happens. I don't believe much that I hear or read in April, but teams are at least indicating a desire to move up into our range of the draft. That represents a market. A market could create the environment for us to get +EV to move backwards and get the player we want anyway.
I'm staying open minded. Thursday night should at least start out fun. We'll see if it ends with a different f word.
I'm staying open minded. Thursday night should at least start out fun. We'll see if it ends with a different f word.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Check out the article. Smith goes into detail on any trade-down scenario:
He set up why we'd trade-down. Whose interested in moving-up. What we'd get and who'd we pick.
I can objectively say the compensation (pick #78 + unknown 3rd next year instead of #47) isn't enough because it isn't. Atlanta wanting to move-up isn't a rumor, their GM jumped in front of a mic to say he wants to move-up and the scuttle is for CB CJ Henderson who many teams want so he'll be off the board if they don't move-up.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
"Our guy". Aren't there hundreds to consider throughout the draft? I suppose if I had the top pick & wanted a QB, there would be one guy who was a "must have", but I don't see that for us. I want them to fix the OL. Period. If that's all they did this off season, I'd be ecstatic, but there's more than a single path to that end and, as far as I can tell, there's not a single individual who is an elite NFL OT. If there were, I'd be inclined to say, "Go get that guy!" That being said, there may be one, four, six, eight, who end up pro-bowlers. Wish I knew.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
right. let's discuss the Browns moving down FOUR times in the first round.
firstly, let's discuss 1, 2 and 3 tradedowns.
then let's discuss the list our team released with their draft board and player grades so we can understand all the tradedowns as well.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
Official cap space by team entering the draft (1-11):
1. CLE: $37,547,510
2. DET: $29,488,200
3. PHI: $27,145,824
4. NYJ: $25,164,780
5. WAS: $24,943,685
6. DEN: $24,173,954
7. IND: $23,926,469
8. MIA: $22,682,552
9. TEN: $21,896,801
10. LAC: $20,994,933
11. BUF: $20,596,199
1. CLE: $37,547,510
2. DET: $29,488,200
3. PHI: $27,145,824
4. NYJ: $25,164,780
5. WAS: $24,943,685
6. DEN: $24,173,954
7. IND: $23,926,469
8. MIA: $22,682,552
9. TEN: $21,896,801
10. LAC: $20,994,933
11. BUF: $20,596,199
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I’m told acquiring Trent Williams is “still on the table” for the #Browns, per source today. "Nothing is imminent or super close right now," but the #Browns are keeping their thumb on the situation--meaning something still may, or may not happen w/Trent before or after the Draft.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Easy tiger.
Lets see what happens.
A blind person could see the biggest team need but we kept hearing that we were fine on the O-Line.
Timing.
You share that we are keeping an eye on Trent Williams. Which makes you ask why a team that spent big FA bucks on an OT and re-signed their own OT and is so locked on taking an OT with the #10 pick that fans get upset about the possibility of doing anything other than taking an OT have their pulse on the Trent Williams situation?
Could it possibly be that in a draft loaded with OTs that the guy(s) they want to take at #10 won't be available?
Since the team is preparing for the scenario then I think its fair game to discuss.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We let Joe go because he was asking too much but one of the FA LBers who got a big signing bonus last year is available at what appears to be a bargain salary.
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Sigmund Bloom@SigmundBloom
Teams wanting to trade players the year after signing them to a big deal (and in Ford's case trading for him!) is a bad look... Ford is due over 14M this year, gonna be a tough sell Alexander is due only 1.35M because of a restructure, perhaps will get interest
Michael Lombardi@mlombardiNFL
From talking to teams around the league 49ers want to clean up some cap issues and have made Dee Ford and Kwon Alexander along with Goodwin and Tartt available for trade. Will they get takers? Not sure but all four names are on the available list for the right price.
2:10 PM · Apr 20, 2020
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We've got a need and the salary room and they would probably take a low pick which we also have. Would be good to have a Pro Bowl veteran helping out our second year guys who could use some help.
