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18 hours ago, The Man With No Name said:

Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrich

ICYMI: Ronnie Harrison is ranked 12th out of 91 safeties graded by @PFF_Browns.

Karl Joseph is 82nd.

Andrew Sendejo is 87th.

The #Browns put Harrison on injured reserve, a big blow they announced in tandem with the anticipated activation of Myles Garrett

1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

It's really not surprising the teams like the Steelers and Ravens beat up on us.

Baltimore first game with a rookie NFL HC on the road against a full-strength team with no offseason, no mini camp, no training camp, no preseason.

Pittsburgh, they have a legit D, vet HC/DC scheme and players w/yrs in the system as they added a guy like Claypool to the O but we were banged up with 10 players on the injury list heading into that game and lost OBJ on the very first offensive snap when Bake threw a pick.  Worst possible start on a game we couldn't afford any mistakes to give us less than half a chance to make it respectable.  

I will add Stefanski as a rookie HC may not have had the team prepared as well as we could have for the first game and I don't think he had the proper read on what a Pittsburgh game was the first time around.  

Really curious to see how we perform the second time around when we face these teams.

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1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:

 

Really curious to see how we perform the second time around when we face these teams.

agreed.

not sure the end result will be any different against the Steelers, but Baltimore looks beatable now.

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3 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

agreed.

not sure the end result will be any different against the Steelers, but Baltimore looks beatable now.

They've looked drastically different on defense without Calais Campbell and Brandon Williams, but I'd expect both of them back for our game. You're right about the offense and I'll be very curious to see how they play against Dallas. Is that their get-right spot leading into our game? or do they remain a disjointed mess that's now also dealing with being on the back-end of a covid outbreak? We'll see. I'll be shocked if they don't get pounded into submission today though.

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2 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

I'm not saying patience will pay off, but my judgment on Baker's been reserved for these 2 games since that face plant in Pittsburgh. Sure, it'd have been nice to see more before now, but can't control mother nature. I expect whiplash one direction or the other between now and Dec 14. Narrative is there for a few different path's in wildly different directions and he's in control of it.

hell, i'm seeing wildly different takes after the Jags game.

personally, i'm not sure what to make of Mayfield.  i think it's lazy to say "welp, he missed a wide open WR, he suxor!" without also looking at some of the "damn good" to "amazing" level throws he made.

there's a ton of excuses that can be made for him, not the least of which is being in his forth (?) system in three years, but at the end of the day, it's a results based business.

the only question that really matters in the end is "Is Mayfield improving?"  Zero INTs in 4 games could suggest that at least part of his game is improving, but is that more of a gameplan influence, or is he starting to understand the system better?

winning sure as heck helps, but he needs to show clear improvement moving forwards.

personally, i'm 100% willing to give him another year.  ( i know that sounds dumb, but there's plenty of people that have suggested moving on at the end of the year.)

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2 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

They've looked drastically different on defense without Calais Campbell and Brandon Williams, but I'd expect both of them back for our game. You're right about the offense and I'll be very curious to see how they play against Dallas. Is that their get-right spot leading into our game? or do they remain a disjointed mess that's now also dealing with being on the back-end of a covid outbreak? We'll see. I'll be shocked if they don't get pounded into submission today though.

yep, things change quickly in the NFL.  it's never the same team week to week.

Baltimore just sort of has the smell of a team that's falling apart.  today's expected beat down could be the catalyst that leads to them giving up on the season.

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1 minute ago, amnesiac said:

hell, i'm seeing wildly different takes after the Jags game.

personally, i'm not sure what to make of Mayfield.  i think it's lazy to say "welp, he missed a wide open WR, he suxor!" without also looking at some of the "damn good" to "amazing" level throws he made.

there's a ton of excuses that can be made for him, not the least of which is being in his forth (?) system in three years, but at the end of the day, it's a results based business.

the only question that really matters in the end is "Is Mayfield improving?"  Zero INTs in 4 games could suggest that at least part of his game is improving, but is that more of a gameplan influence, or is he starting to understand the system better?

winning sure as heck helps, but he needs to show clear improvement moving forwards.

personally, i'm 100% willing to give him another year.  ( i know that sounds dumb, but there's plenty of people that have suggested moving on at the end of the year.)

There's no disputing zero int's in 4 games. And it's actually zero since the play we lost OBJ at the beginning of the Cincy game. But when I saw you write that the first time my mind immediately went to a play in the Texans game when he had a pass batted down at the line. Had that not happened a pick 6 was waiting. 

He has a couple-few GOD DAMMIT BAKER plays per game. Before they were picks and lately they've been whifs. That's the sorta trend I can get behind. I'll accept what he did to Higgins last week or Hooper against the Eagles if it means future seasons of single digit int's. I'm not sure those turnover prone days are behind him though. And I think that's what we'll find out the next two games. I think he'll need to throw us to a lead early this week and if we are in a position to win late he'll need to make a couple plays to seal it without a back breaking mistake at any point. Then even if he passes that test he has a different one next week. He hasn't really seen a pass rush since Pittsburgh and his problems against one are well documented. I mean, Philly has one. But Wentz was so ####### terrible that day Stefanski was able to keep the game plan even closer to the vest than he probably intended - and he probably did beforehand anyway. No matter how much of a mess Baltimore is coming into that game and plays overall if they're able to get after him I think we'll see if he's made any progress under duress.

So...is Mayfield improving? is he understanding the system better? From our vantage point I think it's inconclusive, but as I described above I think we'll find out after these 2 games which is why I made that whiplash comment earlier.

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when i find myself yelling at Mayfield, it seems like he's not sensing the pass rush.

i believe there was a play at the beginning of the Eagles game where he got sacked near the Browns end zone, and i'm thinking, how do you take a sack there??

but it does seem like he's throwing the ball away a lot more this year, which is good.

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8 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I'll accept what he did to Higgins last week or Hooper against the Eagles if it means future seasons of single digit int's. I'm not sure those turnover prone days are behind him though. And I think that's what we'll find out the next two games.

one of the comparisons i remember reading about Mayfield when he was drafted was Brett Favre.

HOF Favre has a career TD/INT ratio of 1.51 

Mayfield is at 1.57

Current leader is Mahomes at an astounding 5.3

Wentz is #10 with 2.26

not sure what the threshold is, but it seems like modern day players are being pushed up that list, and they should be shooting for about 2:1?

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2 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

not sure what the threshold is, but it seems like modern day players are being pushed up that list, and they should be shooting for about 2:1?

Just skimming through the last 4 years surface stats and my not so thorough analysis knee jerk is 2:1 may be acceptable, but 3:1 plus is probably the goal.

 

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24 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

mayfield makes mahomes type throws where your jaw drops and then misses passes a 12yd old would complete.

it's beyond frusterating, but cant help but think that can be corrected w time and good coaching

They have until sometime in May to exercise his 2022 option, or not.  $25 to $26 million dollars. Wonder how long they take to decide.

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37 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

mayfield makes mahomes type throws where your jaw drops

No, not really.  He makes a few good throws per game.  Dont use their names in the same sentence, or even in the same paragraph.

That's a josh gordon level terrible comment.....almost

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on another note, some of the plays that Stefanski is running, just beautiful.  
 

regardless if Mayfield is the answer, i think there’s a damn good chance Stefanski is going to be around for a long time. 

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I felt we had no chance against Tennessee but we may have a Lloyd Christmas chance with these guys back.

Go to the link for the full read.

Who Is Gonna Tackle Derrick Henry?

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The Cleveland Browns find themselves with an opportunity to beat a playoff caliber team on the road in the Tennessee Titans, but that will depend in part on their ability to stop or at least slow down Derrick Henry.

The game against the Jacksonville Jaguars and their struggles to corral rookie running back James Robinson do not bode well for this game.

The player the Browns are desperately missing right now is linebacker Sione Takitaki, who is on the Reserve/COVID-19 list. He's the best answer the Browns have to teams like the Jaguars and Titans who want to pound the football with a bigger back.

Whereas a player like Malcolm Smith isn't really built to consistently take on the run and Mack Wilson is nowhere to be found, Takitaki thrives on contact. A player that looks like he would've been at home in an era before the proliferation of the passing game, he has an important role as a run stopping enforcer in the Browns defense.

Without Takitaki, Robinson was able to consistently find running lanes as he amassed 128 yards at 5.8 yards per carry...

 

Fred Greetham@FredGreetham

#Browns activate Sione Takitaki and Joe Jackson from COVID-19 list

11:27 AM · Dec 4, 2020·

Garrett 'looked good' in return from COVID, set for return against Titans

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CLEVELAND (AP) — Myles Garrett passed the practice test.

Cleveland’s defensive star was welcomed back with open arms by the Browns this week after he missed two games with COVID-19... 

 

 

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We definitely have a chance and it isn't a Lloyd Christmas sorta thing. I think our success against them primarily depends on our DL. There's more to it than just that, but succinctly our DL is not good enough without Garrett - we saw it last year and we've seen it the last 2 weeks. With him back everyone else falls into appropriate roles and this is only the second time we've had a healthy DL since the Dallas game. Ogunjobi left that game due to injury and didn't look the same until after the bye. Gotta consider the opponent but Duke Johnson did in that game what Joe Mixon, Antonio Gibson, and Ezekiel Elliott did earlier in the season - not much. And 2 of those games were without Vernon. I get it - Henry's a completely different animal than any of those guys and our LB's objectively suck, but if we get a good DL effort I don't think he will steamroll us. "If" though. 

As backwards as it sounds writing it I'm actually more worried about AJ Brown than I am Henry.

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20 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

We definitely have a chance and it isn't a Lloyd Christmas sorta thing. I think our success against them primarily depends on our DL. There's more to it than just that, but succinctly our DL is not good enough without Garrett - we saw it last year and we've seen it the last 2 weeks. With him back everyone else falls into appropriate roles and this is only the second time we've had a healthy DL since the Dallas game. Ogunjobi left that game due to injury and didn't look the same until after the bye. Gotta consider the opponent but Duke Johnson did in that game what Joe Mixon, Antonio Gibson, and Ezekiel Elliott did earlier in the season - not much. And 2 of those games were without Vernon. I get it - Henry's a completely different animal than any of those guys and our LB's objectively suck, but if we get a good DL effort I don't think he will steamroll us. "If" though. 

As backwards as it sounds writing it I'm actually more worried about AJ Brown than I am Henry.

Our 'chance' according to analytics is = 38% to win the game 👉 LINK Projected Team Win Percentage by week  👈

Of the five games left on our schedule its the 2nd toughest left.  Pittsburgh = 'least' chance of a win at only 33% in the final.

Baltimore/Giant games are about 50%.  It looks like Lamar will be back but they are hurting in the trenches.  Danny Dimes tweaked his hammy yet should be back so we aren't catching any breaks with QBs.

Per AJ Brown.  Titans passing game is built on play-action directly connected to stopping Henry getting to him before he builds up steam.  The mobile QB can do damage.  We catch a break with their TE J. Smith being out but they way to stop that offense is getting them into third and long and hopefully Myles is healthy enough to pressure. 

Have you heard the interviews with Garrett and how he had severe symptoms and hadn't done anything for weeks and what he said about his first practice being 'shaky'?  Myles was dealing with nagging injuries before he went on COVID and I thought he'd come back rested and healthy but now I'm not sure what to expect from him.  

I'm not expecting a win so my concern is Myles and what he looks like if we get them into 3rd and long and if we put him on a low pitch count.  

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I can't believe this team is 9-3. You could be the worst 9-3 team to ever beat the pants off and curb stomp a contender in NFL history.

;)

Good job, Brownies. You're dead set and potentially playoff-bound.

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30 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I can't believe this team is 9-3. You could be the worst 9-3 team to ever beat the pants off and curb stomp a contender in NFL history.

;)

Good job, Brownies. You're dead set and potentially playoff-bound.

lol, the weird part is, they really shouldn't have lost the Vegas game, they're literally built to play in games like that.

but i'm not gonna complain, just enjoying the ride.

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10 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

lol, the weird part is, they really shouldn't have lost the Vegas game, they're literally built to play in games like that.

but i'm not gonna complain, just enjoying the ride.

Yep, no sense crying over spilled milk. The Raiders OL is the best part of their team and really shouldn't be underestimated. They seem built to win in the trenches, too. Just any given Sunday and all that.

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On 12/6/2020 at 10:05 PM, Bracie Smathers said:
On 12/6/2020 at 5:25 PM, Soulfly3 said:

needed to cool off after that dreadful 2nd half. ..

but my god we're 9-3. 

This should cool you off.

👉   LINK  👈

We 'could' face them again in January.

Suspended.

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Sunday’s games had a little bit of everything. They had two of one specific thing.

NFL Media reports that the NFL has suspended Bengals safety Shawn Williams and Titans defensive end Teair Tart one game each for stepping on opponents during their teams’ Week 13 games.

It’s unusual to have one suspension doled out for stepping on an opponent. That hasn’t happened since Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh had a case of cold feet (literally, or so he claimed) when he stepped on the lower leg of Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. (Suh’s suspension was overturned on appeal.) Before that, Smh received a suspension for stomping on the arm of Packers center Even Dietrich-Smith on Thanksgiving Day in 2011. It’s bizarre to have one day of games spark two such suspensions.

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Good news we got Teller back but a little surprising we waived Hilliard.

That leaves us with only RB D′Ernest Johnson behind Chubb/Hunt.

Chubb is getting a full workload, Hunt seems a lil worn down, and we're using D'Ernest on kickoff returns.

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Cleveland Browns@Browns

We've made the following roster moves:

Activated from Reserve/COVID-19: G Wyatt Teller

Waived: RB Dontrell Hilliard

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Just checked NFL depth charts and only one other NFL team has 3 RBs, Dallas but they have 2 FBs listed so virtually every NFL team is carrying one more RB/FB which leaves us thin.

Seems like a curious move on the brink of the playoffs for the first time in ages especially with COVID where if we needed a replacement their is a delay before we can add someone to the roster.  

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

k, im not gonna say it.... but we're all thinking it...

if we win tonight... the impossible becomes very possible.

I'm not gonna sit here and tell another fan what to think, but...that...isn't something I'm gonna apply any mental energy to until sometime December 27th. Win or lose I expect to be a raging lunatic about 14-15 hours from now though.

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god help me, but i actually read the article on all the tiebreakers.

it basically boils down to Pittsburgh losing out, or they end up with the same record as the Browns, but the Steelers would have to lose to the Bengals.

it's a very low percentage possibility.

Edit:  that was last week.  With the loss to the Bills last night I’m not sure anymore how the tiebreakers would work.  never mind.  

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23 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Good news we got Teller back but a little surprising we waived Hilliard.

That leaves us with only RB D′Ernest Johnson behind Chubb/Hunt.

Chubb is getting a full workload, Hunt seems a lil worn down, and we're using D'Ernest on kickoff returns.

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Cleveland Browns@Browns

We've made the following roster moves:

Activated from Reserve/COVID-19: G Wyatt Teller

Waived: RB Dontrell Hilliard

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Just checked NFL depth charts and only one other NFL team has 3 RBs, Dallas but they have 2 FBs listed so virtually every NFL team is carrying one more RB/FB which leaves us thin.

Seems like a curious move on the brink of the playoffs for the first time in ages especially with COVID where if we needed a replacement their is a delay before we can add someone to the roster.  

I thought the way it worked this year was teams would waive someone and they could sign them back to their practice squad?  then they don't have to go through the waiting period if they're called up?

the Browns also have a FB, Janovich.

in a pinch, i think Landry could line up at RB for a few plays.  that dude is tough as nails.

Austin Hooper is banged up this week, but he looks to me like he could tote the rock a few carries if needed.

they've got a lot of good players.

 

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The thing that I find unusual is that the Browns control their own destiny. Win and we are in the playoffs. Usually if there is even a remote chance, 17 different things have to happen for us to have a chance. It was good that the Dolphins and Raiders lost yesterday, but if we can beat the Giants, Jets and split the other two, we have 12 wins and are in for sure.

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Post mortem:

Baker has real trouble with press-man.  Ravens started out in press-man but injury bug took out two corners so they had to go to zone where Bake tore them up.

Chief played like a first round TE.  Really no dumb drops that I recall and he made some big catches filling in for Hooper.  Very good sign if he can get into the mix because he's a legit RZ weapon even though he only got one(?) look in the end zone last night that I can recall that came in high and hot.

I'm really liking what I am seeing of Hollywood the last few weeks. 

Orlando Brown owns Myles.  Something about this matchup just favors Brown.  Myles did his best work when he moved over to Fluker's side.  In the first game he got his sack when he moved to the RT.  Its obvious to me he's still effected by the VID but he hasn't been able to solve Orlando Brown who is huge and powerful.  I am curious to see what he can do against the Jets Mecki Beckton (sp?) to see if its a size/power thing since neither are nimble just huge and uber strong.

We really missed Denzel last night.  Our secondary lacks speed.

The D is not good but Lamar destroys this defense.  The only thing that stopped him was cramps. 

The Ravens will win out.  They will be in the playoffs.  The Steelers will win the division but not earn the BYE.  We win next week and we are basically in.  In the final game both teams might have clinched and will be resting starters and then the real season begins.

Looks like 3 teams from the AFCN in the post season so long as we win Sunday Night.

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if they even had an average defense i'd be getting excited about this team.

oh well.  enjoy the ride this year.  love watching competitive games vs. blowouts.

hopefully they can bulk up the defense next year.

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This front office knew the defense was going to be a problem in spring. In no world could this team possibly be in a position to potentially contend for a title this year. This season was about rebuilding the culture and figuring out if they could build around Baker in 2021 and beyond. Devote 2020's priority resources to giving him the tools to prove his worth. Hope he's successful then use 2021's priority assets on the other side of the ball to try and win a title.

I have never been more excited about this team than I have the last 9 days. We're going to the playoffs and have a legitimate shot to win a game. Scroll back 6, 9, 12 months...read what we were talking about at those times...then compare that to where this team is now. It's remarkable. Enjoy this!

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