Jump to content
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

**** CLEVELAND BROWNS THREAD ****


Recommended Posts

9 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Former #Eagles DL Malik Jackson Is signing with the #Browns, source said

I was kind of hoping that they would show some interest in Geno Atkins who was released earlier by the bungles.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 25.1k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • MAC_32

    2650

  • ghostguy123

    2351

  • amnesiac

    1981

  • Bracie Smathers

    1976

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Of course he was concussed...I'm sure Haley kept reminding him on the sideline he was concussed.  Haley wasn't going to let him back in that game, Hue be damned.   Taylor: Coach, I can play.  I ju

This isn't going to be a "only positive comments allowed" type thing. But don't do what you did. And you know what you did. If you've got something constructive to discuss about how the team

Ryan Engle‏ @rengle83 13h13 hours ago I read the survival handbook for these situations. If you’re attacked by a Jermaine Whitehead, just pretend like you’re a tight end running at a moderate pac

4 minutes ago, mr fancypants said:

I was kind of hoping that they would show some interest in Geno Atkins who was released earlier by the bungles.

Still could. How receptive to renegotiating is Richardson?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Mike Clay positional grades before FA signings.

  • Safety .05
  • CB 2.1
  • LB .06
  • EDGE 2.9
  • INTERIOR DL 2.8
  • Defensive ranking 21 
  • Overall grade including offense 6

Mike Clay positional grades from a few days ago before the Malik signing.

  • Safety 3.1
  • CB 3.0
  • LB .09
  • EDGE 3.0
  • INTERIOR DL 2.5 (Lost Ogun does not include Malik)
  • Defensive ranking 5
  • Overall grade including offense 2

As noted Clay has not caught up to the flurry of FA signings so the most recent grade does not include the Malik signing and notes the loss of DT Larry Ogunjobi so that is why the INTERIOR DL grade had gone down and should at least go back to the original 2.8 grade.

According to Clay's rankings/grades we are the 2nd most talented team in the NFL, second to the Bucs.

I noted that we needed to address basically every position on the defense and that is exactly what Berry has done.  

Haven't really dove into Malik but when Geno got released yesterday I thought we'd jump on that but checked out his stats and his production has decreased significantly over the past two years and he is 33 years old.

I thought we'd go with an older vet at the DT position because it takes someone with grown-man strength and knowledge gained with years of experience to be a force against the run.  Last year our DTs were soft, really bad against the run so hopefully Malik is not just ok but a force against the run.  

Bottom line, we addressed major weakness' on defense and their isn't any doubt in my mind that are a legit Super Bowl contender.  I'd love a better than average pass rusher and a boundary corner with size to have legit starters opposite Myles and Denzel but that 'probably' isn't going to happen but right now we have the starters to win the SB.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/20/2021 at 8:56 AM, Bracie Smathers said:

I'd love a better than average pass rusher and a boundary corner with size to have legit starters opposite Myles and Denzel

That was from yesterday, this is from 30 minutes ago.

Browns Free Agency Entering Week 2; What They Still Need, How They Get There PETE SMITH 32 MINUTES AGO

Quote

Coming into free agency, the two most difficult positions to address for the Cleveland Browns were boundary corner and a starting edge rusher. Entering the second week of the signing period, those are the two positions the Browns have yet to fill...

Two obvious areas that we could use upgrades.

Andrew Berry has done a remarkable job so-far in FA but I don't know how far he's willing to go in FA/cap-wise to address the two areas even with big names still out there.  

It'll be interesting to see what he does if/when free agents come down with demands or if he waits to see what he can do in the draft.  So-far he's done what I expect and I agree with Pete Smith that boundary corner and pass rusher are two big needs left.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not too worried about corner. There are a lot of options available in free agency, so it's just a matter of when one of them comes down to Berry's price point. 

Edge though...gonna be difficult to convince me on anyone but Dunlap.

Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I'm not too worried about corner. There are a lot of options available in free agency, so it's just a matter of when one of them comes down to Berry's price point. 

Edge though...gonna be difficult to convince me on anyone but Dunlap.

If you look at the top FA signings in terms of cost pass rushers went fast and were expensive.  Not much left and the cost would be high.

The draft 'may' offer exactly what we need in terms of a boundary corner with length who can give us protection with large WRs in the division.  Greedy is too light and Denzel, bless his heart, isn't a great matchup against someone like Claypool.  We need, speed, length, hops, and enough strength to not get overpowered.

I honestly don't know what Berry will do from this point till the draft.  Typically the second round of 'biggest names left' of the FAs take place after they come down on their asking price which takes a few weeks.  

From what we've seen of Berry he will wait for a bargain unless he feels he has to fill a dire need and we're a damn good team right now as is so I don't see a 'dire' need.  Just two areas so I'm very interested in what Berry does. 

This is cool AFIC.  I'm really F'ng excited to see what he does.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:

If you look at the top FA signings in terms of cost pass rushers went fast and were expensive.  Not much left and the cost would be high.

The draft 'may' offer exactly what we need in terms of a boundary corner with length who can give us protection with large WRs in the division.  Greedy is too light and Denzel, bless his heart, isn't a great matchup against someone like Claypool.  We need, speed, length, hops, and enough strength to not get overpowered.

I honestly don't know what Berry will do from this point till the draft.  Typically the second round of 'biggest names left' of the FAs take place after they come down on their asking price which takes a few weeks.  

From what we've seen of Berry he will wait for a bargain unless he feels he has to fill a dire need and we're a damn good team right now as is so I don't see a 'dire' need.  Just two areas so I'm very interested in what Berry does. 

This is cool AFIC.  I'm really F'ng excited to see what he does.

:yes:

He has a list. And if anyone on that list comes down to his price then he'll execute the action plan. Similar story on the trade/future cap casualty market. The one unknown I mentally prepared for that hasn't happened yet are restructures/cuts among the current group. They aren't needed quite yet, but they will be with any more spending. And some may already be earmarked for later anyway.

Link to post
Share on other sites

They have a guy that had 34 sacks in 3 years of college. Curtis Weaver. 
Number 99

Miami Dolphins[edit]

Weaver was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the fifth round (164th overall) of the 2020 NFL Draft.[6] He was waived/injured by the team on August 24, 2020.[7]

Cleveland Browns[edit]

Weaver was claimed off waivers by the Cleveland Browns on August 25, 2020.[8] The Browns placed Weaver on injured reserve on August 27, 2020.[9]

Link to post
Share on other sites

Like Takk, I'm interested to see what Weaver can do. But they're both reasons we need someone like Dunlap on a 1 yr deal. Needing to rely on them in September would be a mistake.

Link to post
Share on other sites

@RapSheet

The #Browns are hosting free agent pass-rusher Jadeveon Clowney on a visit, per the wire. They tried to sign him a few times, now willl get a first look at him and how his knee has come around.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/1/2021 at 12:32 PM, Bracie Smathers said:

Is Marshon Lattimore On His Way To The Cleveland Browns?

Update of sorts.

New Orleans Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore arrested in Cleveland, sources say Updated 11:18 AM; Today 9:31 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio — New Orleans Saints cornerback and Cleveland native Marshon Lattimore was arrested late Thursday in Cleveland, according to three sources with knowledge of his arrest.

The 24-year-old was arrested on suspicion of receiving stolen property, according to the sources. Jail records confirm Lattimore was booked into the Cuyahoga County Jail on the charge. Lattimore has not been formally charged...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

No details yet.

Needless to say I'm off the idea of trading for Lattimore.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/19/2020 at 10:45 AM, beer 30 said:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/19/cleveland-browns-greg-robinson-arrested-marijuana-border-patrol/

Browns Lineman Greg Robinson Busted By Border Patrol ... So Much Weed!!

:ptts:

Saw a headline for a podcast and couldn't find it but caught an old pod right after the draft and they mentioned how bad the situation had gotten with the offensive line.  

I had completely forgotten the story about Greg Robinson. 

This seems like it happened a decade ago but it was about a year ago when we had no O-Line and had hired a rookie GM and HC, a few had written off Baker Mayfield, no one had an honest inkling about making the playoffs let alone winning a playoff game in Pittsburgh, and people were wish'n and pray'n that we could just fix our offensive line.

Wow.  

What a difference a year makes.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Update of sorts.

New Orleans Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore arrested in Cleveland, sources say Updated 11:18 AM; Today 9:31 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio — New Orleans Saints cornerback and Cleveland native Marshon Lattimore was arrested late Thursday in Cleveland, according to three sources with knowledge of his arrest.

The 24-year-old was arrested on suspicion of receiving stolen property, according to the sources. Jail records confirm Lattimore was booked into the Cuyahoga County Jail on the charge. Lattimore has not been formally charged...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

No details yet.

Needless to say I'm off the idea of trading for Lattimore.

How can you make that much money and still need to buy stolen goods to get a better deal? Man a bunch of these NFL players are dumb as rocks.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...

Draft being held in Cleveland after first playoff appearance and win but it seems like interest is low.

Berry crushed FA so areas of need a not glaring but two areas dominate mocks, DB and EDGE with WR being mentioned once every so often but the big thing is that their is no consensus on any one player.

Any names that people want us to draft in the first? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Draft being held in Cleveland after first playoff appearance and win but it seems like interest is low.

Berry crushed FA so areas of need a not glaring but two areas dominate mocks, DB and EDGE with WR being mentioned once every so often but the big thing is that their is no consensus on any one player.

Any names that people want us to draft in the first? 

If his medical checks out, Jaelen Phillips. And Elijah Moore or Dyami Brown in that 50-75 range. I don't have an informed opinion on cb's.

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

If his medical checks out, Jaelen Phillips. And Elijah Moore or Dyami Brown in that 50-75 range. I don't have an informed opinion on cb's.

I kept hearing Jaelen and looked into him and his concussion history and quitting due to concussions gives pause but his tape shows some overaggressive biting on PA where he leaves the backside wide open.  So I'm not sold on him sealing the edge.

His pass rush funnels inside a lot.  Saw nothing that stood out with EDGE rush.

Love the RAS score but not blown away with run defense or EDGE pass rush.

Been looking but it doesn't seem like anyone is sold on one name. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Bracie Smathers said:

I kept hearing Jaelen and looked into him and his concussion history and quitting due to concussions gives pause but his tape shows some overaggressive biting on PA where he leaves the backside wide open.  So I'm not sold on him sealing the edge.

His pass rush funnels inside a lot.  Saw nothing that stood out with EDGE rush.

Love the RAS score but not blown away with run defense or EDGE pass rush.

Been looking but it doesn't seem like anyone is sold on one name. 

It was a covid year. The names behind the obvious ones are all mud and this edge class was already a flawed one pre-pandemic. It's why I think a vet is still a priority. CB too. 

I'm a lot more comfortable with the WR class.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, MAC_32 said:

It was a covid year. The names behind the obvious ones are all mud and this edge class was already a flawed one pre-pandemic. It's why I think a vet is still a priority. CB too. 

I'm a lot more comfortable with the WR class.

Good point mentioning COVID.

Hopefully that allows a gem to fall through the cracks and we get lucky.

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Draft being held in Cleveland after first playoff appearance and win but it seems like interest is low.

Berry crushed FA so areas of need a not glaring but two areas dominate mocks, DB and EDGE with WR being mentioned once every so often but the big thing is that their is no consensus on any one player.

Any names that people want us to draft in the first? 

Berry maybe looking at moving up in the draft in order to get a targeted player in the 15-20 range. If names like Jaelen Phillips, JOK, or maybe Jaycee Horn are still lurking around, I could see him moving up to grab them. The Browns don't really have the roster anymore to go and accommodate 9 rookies.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting little tidbit I saw today

Top-5 drafted NFL QBs, 2015-18:

No. 1 Jameis Winston, not re-signed

No. 2 Marcus Mariota, not re-signed

No. 1 Jared Goff, traded

No. 2 Carson Wentz, traded

No. 2 Mitchell Trubisky, not re-signed

No. 1 Baker Mayfield, still with Browns

No. 3 Sam Darnold, traded

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, mr fancypants said:

Berry maybe looking at moving up in the draft in order to get a targeted player in the 15-20 range. If names like Jaelen Phillips, JOK, or maybe Jaycee Horn are still lurking around, I could see him moving up to grab them. The Browns don't really have the roster anymore to go and accommodate 9 rookies.

I agree that this team isn’t adding 9 rookies, but I think he's more likely to move out than up. If there is any aggression I think it'll be on day 2.

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, mr fancypants said:

Berry maybe looking at moving up in the draft in order to get a targeted player in the 15-20 range. If names like Jaelen Phillips, JOK, or maybe Jaycee Horn are still lurking around, I could see him moving up to grab them. The Browns don't really have the roster anymore to go and accommodate 9 rookies.

I'd like/prefer this path if we can use the 3's/4's to make it happen or even our 2nd.  Maybe someone we really value is there in the late teens/early 20's.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, mr fancypants said:

...The Browns don't really have the roster anymore to go and accommodate 9 rookies.

I don't think we move up for any position other than EDGE rusher or DB so that is why I asked if anyone has heard one name that fits.

Our FO has stated adding picks fits analytics as it increases odds unless they are getting an impact player.  

I've heard talk of a move-down for future picks if they aren't sold on anyone.

Anyone given a thought about how adding an extra game might adjust team strategy?

I have heard teams discussing about schedules of pulling veterans in the last few minutes of games so that by the end of the season full time starters get a rest of about a full game.  Makes a lot of sense, obviously not with the outcome of a game up for grabs.

I think an analytic FO like Berry would use later round picks to take guys at positions with a high degree of in-season injuries like DB and stash them on IR or the practice squad as late season/playoff additions.  Or take a flyer on a position like RB where you could add a guy a position that needs a small ramp-up time and where late season 'fresh legs' are a huge benefit.  

Edited by Bracie Smathers
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

so, clowney eh?

Hope they don't break the bank because he didn't do much last year.  Good thing they didn't sign him last year to a long term crazy deal.

Edited by Dez
Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Dez said:

Hope they don't break the bank because he didn't do much last year.  Good thing they didn't sign him last year to a long term crazy deal.

I'm not worried about this group going over budget. Curious what this would mean for Richardson though.

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I'm not worried about this group going over budget. Curious what this would mean for Richardson though.

Making almost 12 mill that's crazy but Keenum making 7+ mill even more crazy

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Dez said:

Making almost 12 mill that's crazy but Keenum making 7+ mill even more crazy

I wonder if Keenum is an extension candidate. Lower his cap number this year and add some more guaranteed dollars in 22. Value in a backup qb you can win with, but that's steep given this year's cap.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/10/2021 at 6:44 AM, Bracie Smathers said:

Not a lot but a lil smoke.

Chas says we WILL be improved BEFORE the draft.

Hmmnn.

Charles Robinson Offers Cryptic Foreshadowing of a Browns move before the draft

Charles Robinson threw out that bone the day before Clowney visit story and others have come forward to say they have heard a buzz so I imagine this was what he was hinting at.

Its Clowney so I'm not counting any chickens till I hear contract details and then I hope we didn't over pay for a guy coming off meniscus surgery and who didn't record a single sack in 8 games last year.

He's a beast sealing the edge.  He 'can' rush the passer in terms of applying heat and bend the EDGE.  And he can even drop in coverage so basically he 'can' do everything so long as he's healthy.  Woods would be in heaven.

We can't pay what he got last year so we need to get him for less than the $12 million he made/stole last year but then again this is Clowney so I'll wait to see what happens.:coffee:

Link to post
Share on other sites

what a weird game.  probably going to pay Clowney 8mil next year.  for probably 8 games, which is equivalent of 16mil/year.  
 

meanwhile the DE we take in the first round will make about 3 million.  
 

I’d take the over on the rookie getting 0 sacks.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

what a weird game.  probably going to pay Clowney 8mil next year.  for probably 8 games, which is equivalent of 16mil/year.  
 

meanwhile the DE we take in the first round will make about 3 million.  
 

I’d take the over on the rookie getting 0 sacks.  

Clowney's played at least 13 G's in every season but his rookie year and last. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, MAC_32 said:

Clowney's played at least 13 G's in every season but his rookie year and last. 

Clowney is going to be on his third team in three years.  he looks to me like a guy who has already peaked.

can he be a useful piece?  maybe.  

i'm not excited about his potential signing.  my guess is this will be a contract that in hindsight, they'll wish they hadn't done.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, MAC_32 said:

Clowney's played at least 13 G's in every season but his rookie year and last. 

Clowney does it all but doesn't get a lot of traps/sacks.  He's lost 'some' bend in his edge rush but has developed some counters.  He won't ever live up to the expectations but what he can provide is exactly what we need opposite Myles.  Stout run-D, ability to drop in coverage, can apply pressure.  As noted, Woods has to be salivating on the possibilities of what he can do with him.

 IF (I'm not counting any 🐔 till the ink dries on the contract) he signs then it doesn't preclude us taking an EDGE in the draft.

-------------------------------------

IG: JosinaAnderson@JosinaAnderson

My understanding is there was a travel issue on the #Browns arranged second visit/ physical with FA edge-rusher Jadeveon Clowney for Monday. Was expected to arrive late Sunday. There's hope to finalize a new booking soon, potentially midweek, at this time, per sources.

--------------------------------------

Here's a look at the visits we've had/scheduled.

Five corners and four EDGE players.  

Here's the full list.

Cleveland Browns: Which Draft Prospects Have Had Meetings With The Browns?

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

Clowney is going to be on his third team in three years.  he looks to me like a guy who has already peaked.

can he be a useful piece?  maybe.  

i'm not excited about his potential signing.  my guess is this will be a contract that in hindsight, they'll wish they hadn't done.  

If his knee checks out and he's actually signed then I don't expect much different than what we got out of Vernon when he was healthy, which is exactly what the 2021 team needs. I don't think his hypothetical signing impacts the draft plan at all.

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

If his knee checks out and he's actually signed then I don't expect much different than what we got out of Vernon when he was healthy, which is exactly what the 2021 team needs. I don't think his hypothetical signing impacts the draft plan at all.

that i can agree with.

i see quotes out there "Signing Clowney makes the Browns a Super Bowl Contender, he still has multiple Pro Bowls left in him!"

that stuff is very unrealistic.

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, amnesiac said:

what a weird game.  probably going to pay Clowney 8mil next year.  for probably 8 games, which is equivalent of 16mil/year.  
 

meanwhile the DE we take in the first round will make about 3 million.  
 

I’d take the over on the rookie getting 0 sacks.  

Give me Justin Houston

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Dez said:

Give me Justin Houston

Cost matters, but assuming health the only meaningful difference between a 28 yo Clowney and a 32 yo Houston is their age. So all things being equal gimme the 'youth' upside.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

Cost matters, but assuming health the only meaningful difference between a 28 yo Clowney and a 32 yo Houston is their age. So all things being equal gimme the 'youth' upside.

Give me the guy who stays on the field playing 59 of his last 64 games and gets 8+ sacks for the last 4 years.

Edited by Dez
Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, amnesiac said:

... probably going to pay Clowney 8mil next year.  for probably 8 games, which is equivalent of 16mil/year.

Where did you get the number of $8 million per year?  

Last year he said he wanted to 'Break the Bank' and did as his contract was $15 million but was highly incentivized so he 'only' got the base of $12 million.  I have heard something along the lines of $10 to $11 million but 'hope/expect' less.  I think the whole 'scheduling' mix-up is part of the negotiation process.

20 hours ago, amnesiac said:

... i see quotes out there "Signing Clowney makes the Browns a Super Bowl Contender, he still has multiple Pro Bowls left in him!"

that stuff is very unrealistic.

Sorry to break it to you but we ARE a Super Bowl contender with or without Clowney and Clowney made the Pro Bowl every year up to last year when he was injured and he's only 28 and was listed in the top-20 of PFF EDGE rushers last year even after only playing half a season.

I don't really care about Pro Bowls but how a guy fits and he fits better than people realize.  He has to be healthy and we can't overpay.  I'd go as high as $10 million WITH incentives but obviously hope for less.

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

 

Sorry to break it to you but we ARE a Super Bowl contender with or without Clowney 

 

therefore it's unrealistic to say that he's going to push Cleveland over the edge and make them a Super Bowl contender.

 

i don't think Cleveland is going to get the Pro Bowl version of Clowney, that's all i'm saying.

 

he might be a solid player, but acting like he's coming in to form some sort of Dynamic Duo with Garrett is wishful thinking imo.

Edited by amnesiac
Link to post
Share on other sites
57 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

therefore it's unrealistic to say that he's going to push Cleveland over the edge and make them a Super Bowl contender.

 

i don't think Cleveland is going to get the Pro Bowl version of Clowney, that's all i'm saying.

 

he might be a solid player, but acting like he's coming in to form some sort of Dynamic Duo with Garrett is wishful thinking imo.

Maybe I've just done a fantastic job purging all the hot taek noise from my information bubble, but I've literally not seen this mentioned anywhere.

Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Peak said:

So will today be the day they sign Clowney?  2nd visit to the team, so I'd have to think it's for contract negotiations.

1 yr, up to $10m

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/12/2021 at 9:24 PM, Dez said:

Give me the guy who stays on the field playing 59 of his last 64 games and gets 8+ sacks for the last 4 years.

It's certainly possible that Houston just isn't coming here for various/multiple reasons that we are not privy to.  Could be his last real contract too.  People often forget it takes 2 to tango.  I feel very confident saying if Clowney demanded more than one year, we would not be talking about him today.  Berry putting on a master class of win now with a long term lens.

Edited by Bobcat10
Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports added that Clowney's deal is worth $8 million with an additional $2 million in incentives. 

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/13/2021 at 9:46 AM, Bracie Smathers said:

... I have heard something along the lines of $10 to $11 million but 'hope/expect' less...

... we can't overpay.  I'd go as high as $10 million WITH incentives but obviously hope for less.

Signed exactly for what I'd expected/hoped.  Excellent

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


×
×
  • Create New...