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10 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

always interesting to go back a year and see how things played out.

what strikes me is that their 2nd AND 3rd picks didn't play a down last year, and they still made the playoffs.

the defense almost has to at least be average this year, between FA, this draft, and getting those two guys back.

Jordan Elliott was in the rotation all season. 

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1 minute ago, MAC_32 said:

Jordan Elliott was in the rotation all season. 

i thought he opted out.  i'm thinking of Billings.

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i'd rather see them package picks and move up.  

i doubt it'll be anything earth-shattering, but i could see them move up to the pick 20 range.  (1st plus a 3rd)

or maybe using the 4th rounders to move up 12 spots in the second round.

 

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I believe PFF rated the Browns the #1 offensive line last year.  Going into the start of last year Fantasy Index had Cleveland ranked as the #14 offensive line.

This is how they rated their 5 starters.  (rated from 1 - 5)

Willis - Probably below average (2)

Bitonio - Above average (4)

Tretter - Average (3)

Teller - Probably below average (2)

Conklin - Above average (4)

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The Colts at 21 have 6 picks with no 3rd rounder. That may be the best spot to try and move to if The Browns want a player they believe will not fall to 26. The Dolphins at 18 have 8 including 2 first rounders, 2 2nd's, one 3rd no 4th's.  A trade with them could involve multiple picks going each way. No idea if either team will consider trading without raping us.

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16 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

Its been my draft philosophy forever but you can't have one-sided trades.

This draft has more uncertainty so teams will value players differently so their 'could' be opportunities especially at the end of the 1st.

Talent historically drops off in the 3rd so I'd always be looking to dish 3rd and 4th round picks for future higher picks.

One caveat specific to this draft is that COVID and players opting out creates more uncertainty higher in the 1st so it is 'possible' that a gem could fall into our lap picking later in the 1st round.  

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On 4/26/2021 at 7:49 PM, Soulfly3 said:

hoolyo jones. 

just as I odell'd, im julio'ing

I guess that would be interesting as the Browns basically traded Julio away in the first place.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I guess that would be interesting as the Browns basically traded Julio away in the first place.

oof. let's not dwell on those moments in history

 

 

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1 minute ago, Soulfly3 said:

oof. let's not dwell on those moments in history

 

 

I didn't mean it as a dig, just that it would make a interesting "circle".

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I didn't mean it as a dig, just that it would make a interesting "circle".

I just dont want to remember "that" browns team. 

Absolutely insane what a change we've seen here. 

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1 minute ago, Soulfly3 said:

I just dont want to remember "that" browns team. 

Absolutely insane what a change we've seen here. 

I'm glad my guarded defending of this group this time last year had merit. The Sashi = Berry narratives correctly induced fire spitting.

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7 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

I just dont want to remember "that" browns team. 

Absolutely insane what a change we've seen here. 

True dat.  The trade itself netted much opportunity which, due to incompetence, went for naught.

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Jimmy Donovan with former Browns FO and current NFL draft talking head Daniel Jeremiah.

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Great listen.  Jimmy and Daniel know and knew each other since Daniel was with the Browns.  Jimmy gives him #### for the terrible draft Jeremiah 'helped' with, lol.  Remember LB Beau Bell?  After ribbing each other they go cover the overall draft leading up to talking Browns pick.

Go to the 6:00 minute mark to hear what DJ says, pretty interesting.  He talks 'moving out/down' Jimmy counters by discussing CB and DJ didn't realize how big a need CB was which I found very interesting.  

Gives an insight as to why national pundits who don't know the team focus on LB so highly as a need for the Browns without really understanding but at the same time DJ does make a valid point for moving down which many following the club seem to overlook. 

Also a name to file away, the CB from Georgia who is reported to be rising.  

Lots of good info in this clip.

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Looks like I'm headed down there tonight after all.  My son got invited last night and his friends' dad has an extra pass.  Hopefully we get a break with the weather!  

So many options for the Browns tonight, it's wonderful.  I'd be all aboard with a WR in the 1st or 2nd, and obviously defense for sure, but hoping we can find super value in a trade (up OR down) and still land our targets.  Can't wait to see what AB has in store for us.  

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7 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

Looks like I'm headed down there tonight after all.  My son got invited last night and his friends' dad has an extra pass.  Hopefully we get a break with the weather!  

So many options for the Browns tonight, it's wonderful.  I'd be all aboard with a WR in the 1st or 2nd, and obviously defense for sure, but hoping we can find super value in a trade (up OR down) and still land our targets.  Can't wait to see what AB has in store for us.  

i've been staring at the radar this morning crossing my fingers as well.  it looks like there's a decent chance it could clear up, but there's an equally good chance we're all gonna get soaked.

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4 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

i've been staring at the radar this morning crossing my fingers as well.  it looks like there's a decent chance it could clear up, but there's an equally good chance we're all gonna get soaked.

Worst of it is this morning. Falling temps and the wind off the lake will be a bigger issue than anything falling from the sky tonight. I am glad we opted not to go down til Saturday though.

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57 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

Worst of it is this morning. Falling temps and the wind off the lake will be a bigger issue than anything falling from the sky tonight. I am glad we opted not to go down til Saturday though.

temperature should be pretty steady.  wind could be an issue though, i agree.  

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21 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

temperature should be pretty steady.  wind could be an issue though, i agree.  

Hourly forecast has temps at 50 & wind <= 10 mph.  Radar forecast says no precip at that time.  All-in-all, tolerable.  Dodged a bullet!

 

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1 hour ago, Bobcat10 said:

Looks like I'm headed down there tonight after all.  My son got invited last night and his friends' dad has an extra pass.  Hopefully we get a break with the weather!  

So many options for the Browns tonight, it's wonderful.  I'd be all aboard with a WR in the 1st or 2nd, and obviously defense for sure, but hoping we can find super value in a trade (up OR down) and still land our targets.  Can't wait to see what AB has in store for us.  

Enjoy!!

Been hearing a lot of chatter about a WR.  Personally, if they take one before rnd 4, I will be disappointed.

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6 minutes ago, daveR said:

Hourly forecast has temps at 50 & wind <= 10 mph.  Radar forecast says no precip at that time.  All-in-all, tolerable.  Dodged a bullet!

 

sure seems like it's trending that way.  i wouldn't be surprised if we get sprinkles, but hopefully it looks like we're not gonna get soaked at this point.  dodged a bullet for sure!

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7 minutes ago, daveR said:

Enjoy!!

Been hearing a lot of chatter about a WR.  Personally, if they take one before rnd 4, I will be disappointed.

I want in on the 2nd round run of them, but if that doesn't happen then I'd rather kick that can to Saturday.

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Farley off the board. glad we didn’t get him.  
 

damaged goods, and Mary Kay Cabot has been talking him up all day. 
 

lots of good players left on the board, there’s been a lot of dumb picks so far.  
 

the Browns are going to get a hell of a player at their pick.  

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My guesses are in this order

#1 Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (guy I want)

#2 Greg Newsome II

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8 minutes ago, Dez said:

Well got my #2 choice at least

yeah I though JOK was a lock there.  
 

hope it works out. 

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5 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Anyone worth moving up for in the early part of the 2nd?

I'd like to get in on this WR tier before the well runs dry. Before pick 29 last night I was also thinking edge, but then the end of the night run happened so it depends on how they have Ossai and Ojulari graded. I think Moehrig or JOK could be in play if they keep falling, but Jabril Cox may be a more fiscally responsible target for the middle of the defense.

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14 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Anyone worth moving up for in the early part of the 2nd?

Ya know, many people figured/wanted us to move-up for CB Greg Newsome and he fell right into our lap.

I'm not against moving up but ya know, lets wait.  Lots of teams needing O-Linemen.  A RB or two should/will go off the board, a TE will/should go off the board, and probably a QB or two.  All positions we don't need so that will push down talent.  

I am confident that we can wait and get another good/great value if we're patient.

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7 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Ya know, many people figured/wanted us to move-up for CB Greg Newsome and he fell right into our lap.

I'm not against moving up but ya know, lets wait.  Lots of teams needing O-Linemen.  A RB or two should/will go off the board, a TE will/should go off the board, and probably a QB or two.  All positions we don't need so that will push down talent.  

I am confident that we can wait and get another good/great value if we're patient.

As others have said, we arent bringing 9 rookies to this team.  

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5 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

As others have said, we arent bringing 9 rookies to this team.  

As others said we aren't bringing 9 rookies to the team so move up for Greg Newsome and others said move-up for JOC in the 1st round.  

I'm not opposed to moving-up but talent will get pushed down and we can dish later picks rather than burning a 3rd round pick to move up for a guy that we can get cheaper.  

I'd much prefer to push extra picks into next year or use them and let players compete than burn picks to move-up when patience should allow talent to fall to us without burning picks.

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22 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

As others have said, we arent bringing 9 rookies to this team.  

That doesn't mean you move up if your board doesn't say to nor if you have to. If their current tier of players starts to dry up then by all means go get one. If it doesn't then sit and wait and save those assets for another use.

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I don't even think DB is a priority at this point.

PFF take on Browns secondary

With the addition of Newsome to a secondary that already boasts Greedy Williams, John Johnson III, Troy Hill and Grant Delpit, Cleveland may challenge Denver for the title of best coverage unit in the NFL next year.

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They didn't even mention CB Denzel Ward in the run-down of riches listed above.

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21 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

That doesn't mean you move up if your board doesn't say to nor if you have to. If their current tier of players starts to dry up then by all means go get one. If it doesn't then sit and wait and save those assets for another use.

for what though?

I don’t see many teams giving the Browns picks next year for those picks.  
 

I view these picks this year like time outs.  Might as well use them up.  
 

That said, they played the first round masterfully.   They basically moved up 5 picks by letting the idiots in front of them draft.  

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6 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

for what though?

I don’t see many teams giving the Browns picks next year for those picks.  
 

I view these picks this year like time outs.  Might as well use them up.  
 

That said, they played the first round masterfully.   They basically moved up 5 picks by letting the idiots in front of them draft.  

Without knowing what the board looks like I can't answer. As I wrote earlier this offseason I think a trade sometime today is more likely than yesterday - is it up or out? and if it is up is it up from 59 or 89?:shrug: I just think it'd be silly to move up from 59 if multiple options in the current tier of players are still available. Ultimately, good drafting once you have the QB is all about maximizing value. Hell, I think down from 59 and up from 89 is possible too. 

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I’m just saying in general the better players are taken higher.  
 

Package the picks and move up and get better players.  

 

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Agree with whoever is in the camp of holding but moving up if there is a player you value and you can move up without too much pain. I trust the front office at this point not to do something stupid so I'm good however this works out. If you want to get the LB, move up a few and grab him, if your player is falling because others are picking for need, then hold and let it come to you.

First time in a decade I'm solid with whatever the front office does. 

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3 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

I’m just saying in general the better players are taken higher.  
 

Package the picks and move up and get better players.  

 

We have no way of knowing for sure, but I think we saw a live example of this last night. I think Berry was prepared to move up, but as Farley and Newsome (and probably others like Paye) kept falling there was no justification to do so. Trading up must have a purpose; not just doing it for the sake of doing it. The right move as it turned out last night was to stay put and pick whoever from that tier was left. I expect the same complex multiple if-then approach tonight.

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36 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

We have no way of knowing for sure, but I think we saw a live example of this last night. I think Berry was prepared to move up, but as Farley and Newsome (and probably others like Paye) kept falling there was no justification to do so. Trading up must have a purpose; not just doing it for the sake of doing it. The right move as it turned out last night was to stay put and pick whoever from that tier was left. I expect the same complex multiple if-then approach tonight.

Kind of refreshing isn't it?

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43 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

We have no way of knowing for sure, but I think we saw a live example of this last night. I think Berry was prepared to move up, but as Farley and Newsome (and probably others like Paye) kept falling there was no justification to do so. Trading up must have a purpose; not just doing it for the sake of doing it. The right move as it turned out last night was to stay put and pick whoever from that tier was left. I expect the same complex multiple if-then approach tonight.

I actually agree with you, last night worked out great.  
 

I just think they have enough capital that they can afford to be a bit “wasteful” to get “their guy” instead of thinking strictly in terms of tiers.  

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2 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

As others have said, we arent bringing 9 rookies to this team.  

I dunno.  I just perused the roster & there were twice that many guys I was unfamiliar with.

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Newsome!  Sweet! 

BIG pop yesterday when Fields got picked.  

Keeping my eye on these guys today.  The first few we probably would need to move up and if we like the player enough, GO FOR IT.  Similarly, we could possibly use the two 3rds (and maybe a later pick) to get another 2nd. I don't know anything about the OL class this year, so I'm not listing any, but that's always a possibility too.

Owusu-Koramoah 

Ojulari

Barmore

Basham

E. Moore and R. Moore :heart:

Marshall

Onwuzurike

Togiai

Browning

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