The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Acquiring picks to be able to move up in 2014?
More 'star' players next year
More 'star' players next year
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hmnn, maybe they have a player in mind to trade for.
Mary Kay Cabot might have to dust off those Mallet rumors she sent to bed. Now with future picks, 2014 extra 3rd and extra 4th, in the fold she might to ressurect that one.
Banner has been an incredibly straight shooter with his plans and he did say that we wouldn't be able to address every need this year.
He's addressed the defense and now he's accumulating extra picks for next year or its possible he got those picks for trade-bait.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
"Three to five year plan"
Music to Browns' fans ears.
"Three to five" is of course a phrase Jimmy Haslam will be hearing plenty of.
Music to Browns' fans ears.
"Three to five" is of course a phrase Jimmy Haslam will be hearing plenty of.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Frankbot, meet Mac32. Good luck getting him to stop whining at every available opportunity. For the record, I wasn't happy about switching back to the 3-4 but it's way past time to move on.ETA: Sorry about chopping your post FrankBot, You made a lot great points but that one rang the same bell a few of us have rang for some time now.I haven't had much to say this offseason so......... random thoughts...I was a bit leery about the new regime, especially with being a big Tom Heckert fan, but this offseason has actually brightened my spirits a bit. For the most part, I like the FA acquisitions and it seems like they went into this draft with a plan and stuck to it. First, I hated losing Cribbs and Dawson, but that's business. I've always liked Jason Campbell and as far as NFL backups that suit Turner's system, good luck finding a better one. I'm a huge Dion Lewis fan, loved that trade obviously.. One criticism I had of Heckert was that he should have spent a little money to bring in a decent veteran WR. Well, they got one for peanuts in acquiring Bess. I thought they paid a bit more for Kruger than was necessary, but as much as it pains me to admit, the Browns aren't going to bring the top FAs in at this point without overpaying. That said, nothing in that contract is devestating. The Browns will survive if it doesn't work out. Bryant is a very good DT and with the already exisiting talent at tackle, well, these young guys should be fresh and getting after it at all times. Can't wait to see how the competition at tackle unfolds this year. I don't think anyone will ever replace Phil Dawson. He's the only man I've ever seen that won against Mother Nature. However, Graham is a pro and will do a nice job.In general, the best players on this team are young, really young. Perhaps give the guys a chance to develop? Barring an insane amount of injuries, I don't see how the offense doesn't improve. Weeden will be in a system better suited to his strengths. If he regresses, then bring in Campbell. Gordon and Richardson appear to have a bright future, IMO; this isn't even up for debate. Little, maybe he's not progressing as fast as we'd like, but the dropsies were not a problem over the 2nd half of the season and he plays hard (good run blocker). Hopefully Cameron will develop under 2 coaches who have a great history of developing and featuring TEs. Barnridge is a solid pro. Good, young offensive line that is growing together. If Pinkston is healthy and shows the same promise he did during his rookie season then this line could be one of the best in the league.A decent amount has to go right to sniff the playoffs, but it's certainly not impossible. Anything less than 7 - 9 and I will be disappointed. I really like the young talent on both sides of the ball and I think the current coaching staff is an upgrade over last season.
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RevDawg
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Good posts guys. I didn't like some of the moves, but when you look at the offseason as a whole I do think the Browns are better off than they were in 2012.
daveR
Footballguy
The weaknesses remain weaknesses. QB - same guy. OG - same guys. TE - lesser guy. PK - New hole. DL - was a strength. LB - were good as 4-3, added guys to fill holes created by going 3-4. CB - not improved. S - not improved.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Certainly possible. Or they like the current roster and want to see who steps up, who doesn't, who fits where, etc.
Extra picks certainly means the Browns will have more options next season. I'm on board.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Exactly what they are doing. Getting the ammo to trade for a qb if we win too many games to pick a qb but not enough to justify keeping weeden around.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Smart but very frustrating strategy. If weeden proves them wrong we can really stack up next year. Sucks that 2013 is basically a lost year though, another evaluation season for a new regime. For all the good the old guys did them dropping the ball at the two most important spots coach and qb really screwed this team up.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
QB same guy better coaching and system. OG pinks ton back not a primary needTE fair point we will see about Jordan DL all main guys still there plus Bryant LB were ok added guys who can rush the qbCb have added 3 guysS agreeK just stop Switch to 3-4 it happened get over it
MAC_32
Footballguy
So a five win team didn't get much better while others did.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Wha? I was just addressing his mostly horrible points. You may resume the fetal position.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
In 2009 a 6-10 Green Bay team switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and went 11-5 when they drafted Matthews. They had some guy named Rodgers too. Forget that. Their DEFENSE went from 22nd in points & 20th in yards to 7th in points and 2nd in yards.
Browns were a similar 19th and 23rd last season. Mingo needs to be good along with Kruger and the D will be fine.
Browns were a similar 19th and 23rd last season. Mingo needs to be good along with Kruger and the D will be fine.
daveR
Footballguy
My "horrible" point is that they have not improved any weaknesses. The OGs were weak and still are. Do you disagree? The QB was weak, and we hope he gets better, but nobody knows for sure. The DL was already good, so adding to it didn't make the team better overall. "Get over it" is an irrational statement. If you think we're not worse at PK, you're just wrong. And, do you really think the defensive backfield is significantly improved? Anybody with any sense would have to say, "We can only hope", because taking the eighth best CB in the draft is crossing your fingers at best!
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
No harping on a scheme change is irrational. Worrying about kicker is irrational.
What weakness did they address? #1 and 1a coaching and scheme, and by extension they believe QB. How about WR? How about pass rush?
But OH NOES KICKER!!! Good grief.
What weakness did they address? #1 and 1a coaching and scheme, and by extension they believe QB. How about WR? How about pass rush?
But OH NOES KICKER!!! Good grief.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Ok even I have to admit those last two picks totally killed my boner
MAC_32
Footballguy
Uh. Why?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
So the 2013 draft shakes out like this...
OLB Barkevious Mingo
*WR Josh Gordon*
CB Leon McFadden
S Jamoris Slaughter
DE Armonty Bryant
OG Garrett Gilkey
WR Davone Bess, a 2014 3rd rounder and a 2014 4th rounder.
Filled a lot of needs and set up for a nice draft next year. Can't say I'm disappointed with that.
OLB Barkevious Mingo
*WR Josh Gordon*
CB Leon McFadden
S Jamoris Slaughter
DE Armonty Bryant
OG Garrett Gilkey
WR Davone Bess, a 2014 3rd rounder and a 2014 4th rounder.
Filled a lot of needs and set up for a nice draft next year. Can't say I'm disappointed with that.
RevDawg
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
So they changed the scheme's. We're back to Mangini style. Sure hope it works this time.
They added pass rushers. I'm cool with that. Can't see how a good pass rush can be a bad thing.
Davonne Bess is the biggest player addition to a poor offense. He's a decent slot / possession receiver, which we already had in Little. Net = 0.
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Like all Browns fans, I am hoping everything works out well.
But, as you can see, I'm not sold.
They added pass rushers. I'm cool with that. Can't see how a good pass rush can be a bad thing.
Davonne Bess is the biggest player addition to a poor offense. He's a decent slot / possession receiver, which we already had in Little. Net = 0.
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Like all Browns fans, I am hoping everything works out well.
But, as you can see, I'm not sold.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
That's a lot of bang considering they had relatively few bucks. And, as you say, they're set up nicely to make a big splash in 2014.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
This might be your dumbest one yet. Which is saying something.daveR said:
daveR
Footballguy
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Your commentary is worthless with reasoning.
amnesiac
beer is good
adding another decent receiver should give us a solid #3
at minimum it does add competition to an average to weak position.
also imo one of the weakest positions, and Holmgren's biggest f-up was at head coach.
hopefully Chud is an upgrade there, but i'll admit that it may not be that big o an upgrade as he is also a first time head coach, which i am not a big fan of.
also, regardless of scheme, in theory they have added a ton more pass rush.
in defense of the previous regime, i will say that they brought in a decent amount of young talent, and took the lumps that created all of the cap space that the current regime is enjoying now.
at minimum it does add competition to an average to weak position.
also imo one of the weakest positions, and Holmgren's biggest f-up was at head coach.
hopefully Chud is an upgrade there, but i'll admit that it may not be that big o an upgrade as he is also a first time head coach, which i am not a big fan of.
also, regardless of scheme, in theory they have added a ton more pass rush.
in defense of the previous regime, i will say that they brought in a decent amount of young talent, and took the lumps that created all of the cap space that the current regime is enjoying now.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
laughing at people that think trading our 4th and 5th rounders somehow equates to throwing in the towel this year.
I am on this train....................this year and every year trade our 4th and 5th for a future 3rd and 4th.
If we do this every year from here on out, starting next year we enter every draft with 1,2,3,3,4,4,5,6,7 and actually draft with 1,2,3,3,4,6,7
So we draft with a 3rd instead of a 5th every year. EVERY year. And all because we decided not to use a 4th and 5th in just this one draft. Music to my ears. it won't happen........................but it should, and easily could.
I may even take it a step further and say every year we trade a 3/4 for 2/3. And every year we draft with 1,2,2,3,5,6,7
I am on this train....................this year and every year trade our 4th and 5th for a future 3rd and 4th.
If we do this every year from here on out, starting next year we enter every draft with 1,2,3,3,4,4,5,6,7 and actually draft with 1,2,3,3,4,6,7
So we draft with a 3rd instead of a 5th every year. EVERY year. And all because we decided not to use a 4th and 5th in just this one draft. Music to my ears. it won't happen........................but it should, and easily could.
I may even take it a step further and say every year we trade a 3/4 for 2/3. And every year we draft with 1,2,2,3,5,6,7
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Yes!! If the discount rate is high enough, we should be taking advantage of other teams' desire to win now while we are not in a championship window, Admittedly who knows when we would get to that point, but that is just another reason to arbitrage the picks.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What's not making any sense to me about the above take, if Heckert was everything all of his supporters say he was - then why do so many have this take now? Had he not been fired this would be year 4...and we're still not ready to compete for a title. That tells me he failed at his job, which I agree with - as well as us not being ready to compete, but at the time of his firing it seemed most did not.
The only big issue I have with their approach to this draft is not taking the Rams trade. Jarvis Jones and a #2 would be so much better than Mingo, I'd rather have Jarvis straight up to Mingo tbh. Still, this is just setting things up for 2014 and beyond. Don't expect more wins this year, just hope for progress. Whether that's with or without Weeden at season's end...my patience will be gone if we don't get more aggressive next year though.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Intersting tweets from NFL Network's Albert Breer concerning next year's draft and how few teams were willing to give up future picks in next year's draft.
ONLY THREE 2013 picks were traded for future 2014 picks.
The Cleveland Browns attained TWO of the three future picks.
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Albert Breer@AlbertBreer19hA good explanatory stat from this weekend -- Only three 2014 picks were dealt. Browns got a 3 (PIT) and a 4 (IND); Niners got a 3 (TEN).Albert Breer@AlbertBreer19hTeams were VERY reluctant to deal away 2014 picks this weekend. And a big part of that is the expected strength of next year's class.
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Considering how few teams were willing to trade next year's picks gives an insight into the level of perceived talent in next year's draft as opposed to this year's draft.
The Browns not only got two future picks they traded LOWER picks for HIGHER picks in a draft that has to be considered more talented considering how stingy teams were holding onto 2014 draft picks.
ONLY THREE 2013 picks were traded for future 2014 picks.
The Cleveland Browns attained TWO of the three future picks.
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Albert Breer@AlbertBreer19hA good explanatory stat from this weekend -- Only three 2014 picks were dealt. Browns got a 3 (PIT) and a 4 (IND); Niners got a 3 (TEN).Albert Breer@AlbertBreer19hTeams were VERY reluctant to deal away 2014 picks this weekend. And a big part of that is the expected strength of next year's class.
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Considering how few teams were willing to trade next year's picks gives an insight into the level of perceived talent in next year's draft as opposed to this year's draft.
The Browns not only got two future picks they traded LOWER picks for HIGHER picks in a draft that has to be considered more talented considering how stingy teams were holding onto 2014 draft picks.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I absolutely would have preferred the Rams's 1st and 2nd this year over Mingo at pick 6. I wish we made that deal.MAC_32 said:
Not sure what trading the 4th and 5th has to do with Heckert though. That trade has nothing to do with talent evaluation or picking players. It's simply trading lower picks for higher picks one year later, giving you a better chance to draft better players.
The trades themselves, to me, were fantastic. The front office needs to execute the picks though. That's a whole different ballgame, but I would trust any front office more with a 3rd rounder than a 4th rounder. Seems pretty obvious.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
AFCN draft review by Shut Down Corner's Doug Farrar.
His take on the Browns draft.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/early-draft-reflections-afc-north-173637441.html
Cleveland Browns: 6. OLB Barkevious Mingo, 68. CB Leon McFadden, 175. SS Jamoris Slaughter, 217. DE Armonty Bryant, 227. OT Garrett Gilkey.
LSU pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo adds to a Browns defensive front that was already stacked with the additions of Paul Kruger and Desmond Bryant to the underrated trio of Jabaal Sheard, Phil Taylor, and Ahtyba Rubin. New Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton, who ran all kinds of multiple fronts and blitz concepts in Arizona, has a bit of a dream team on his hands. Mingo struggles with blocks and needs to work up a few more pass-rush moves, but he absolutely screams off the edge, and if he can put up 10-plus sacks per season, he'll have been worth the sixth overall pick. Horton may use Mingo as he did Darryl Washington -- as a move linebacker who blitzes all over the place.
Notre Dame safety Jamoris Slaughter missed most of the 2012 season with an Achilles injury, but has impressive speed and could act as an in-the-box hitter in different defensive packages. San Diego State cornerback Leon McFadden is an undersized (5-foot-10, 193 pound) pass defender on the "sleeper lists" of many. He will be a very good bookend to Joe Haden and may wind up as the best player in this Browns draft class.
"I believe my ball skills are very good, my man-to-man coverage, I became a lot more aggressive in the last couple years. My IQ for football, studying my opponent is really big for me," McFadden said after he was selected in the third round.
All of a sudden, Cleveland's defense is one to watch.
His take on the Browns draft.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/early-draft-reflections-afc-north-173637441.html
Cleveland Browns: 6. OLB Barkevious Mingo, 68. CB Leon McFadden, 175. SS Jamoris Slaughter, 217. DE Armonty Bryant, 227. OT Garrett Gilkey.
LSU pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo adds to a Browns defensive front that was already stacked with the additions of Paul Kruger and Desmond Bryant to the underrated trio of Jabaal Sheard, Phil Taylor, and Ahtyba Rubin. New Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton, who ran all kinds of multiple fronts and blitz concepts in Arizona, has a bit of a dream team on his hands. Mingo struggles with blocks and needs to work up a few more pass-rush moves, but he absolutely screams off the edge, and if he can put up 10-plus sacks per season, he'll have been worth the sixth overall pick. Horton may use Mingo as he did Darryl Washington -- as a move linebacker who blitzes all over the place.
Notre Dame safety Jamoris Slaughter missed most of the 2012 season with an Achilles injury, but has impressive speed and could act as an in-the-box hitter in different defensive packages. San Diego State cornerback Leon McFadden is an undersized (5-foot-10, 193 pound) pass defender on the "sleeper lists" of many. He will be a very good bookend to Joe Haden and may wind up as the best player in this Browns draft class.
"I believe my ball skills are very good, my man-to-man coverage, I became a lot more aggressive in the last couple years. My IQ for football, studying my opponent is really big for me," McFadden said after he was selected in the third round.
All of a sudden, Cleveland's defense is one to watch.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Browns DE Armonty Bryant arrested, charged with DUI less than one week after being draftedBy NATE ULRICH Published: May 6, 2013
Less than a week after the Browns drafted defensive end Armonty Bryant, his history of off-the-field trouble continued to grow.
Bryant was arrested Friday morning in Ada, Okla., and charged with driving under the influence, according to a police report obtained today by the Beacon Journal. He faces a misdemeanor DUI charge and is scheduled to be arraigned at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday in Pontotoc County District Court.
The Ada News first reported the arrest today.
“We are aware of the incident and are now in the process of collecting more information," Browns vice president of media relations Neal Gulkis said in a statement. "We will not have any further comment.”
After pulling Bryant over, officer Kylor Pool administered a standard field sobriety test but had problems getting Bryant to comply with a preliminary breath test by properly blowing into a breathalyzer, according to the police report. In the report, Pool wrote that he attempted the test at least 10 times, and it eventually yielded a result of 0.098. Oklahoma’s legal limit for intoxication is 0.08.
Pool then arrested Bryant and tried to get him to submit to the state’s breath test. Bryant, 22, repeatedly refused to adequately blow into the Intoxilyzer, though two deficient samples read 0.10 and 0.09, according to the report. Bryant also declined to submit to the state’s blood test.
“During my interactions with Armonty I observed him to have slurred speech, to have a strong odor associated with an alcoholic beverage coming from about his person and to be unbalanced on his feet,” Pool wrote in the report.
According to the report, Pool pulled Bryant over at 3:46 a.m. Friday because Bryant made a left turn after failing to signal until his vehicle had come to a stop at a stop sign near East Central University’s Norris Field, where he became a Division II college football standout. Bryant initially told Pool he was driving a friend home from a party and had not been drinking, but he later “stated that he had a few drinks earlier in the evening,” according to the report.
A passenger in the vehicle with Bryant, Ashley Robison, was arrested and charged with public intoxication.
Bryant posted $500 bail and was released from the Pontotoc County Justice Center at 10:30 a.m. Friday.
On April 27, the Browns drafted Bryant in the seventh round (No. 217 overall) despite his baggage. Bryant was suspended for three games last season after being arrested in October for selling $20 of marijuana twice to an undercover officer, both times in an ECU parking lot, according to the News. Because the transactions came within 2,000 feet of a school, he was charged with a felony.
Moments after he was drafted, the 6-foot-4, 263-pound Bryant said he learned from his marijuana arrest and vowed not to disappoint the Browns for showing faith in him.
‘“Good people make mistakes’ is something that I’ve always been told by my [college] coach,” Bryant said April 27 during a conference call with the Cleveland media. “I feel like it was just a stupid move on my part. I should have been more mature about the situation and be more focused on football, which is something I really want to do with my life.
“Now that I’ve gotten that second chance, I feel like I won’t let anyone down. I won’t let myself, the people around me or the Cleveland Browns down. I appreciate them for taking this chance on me.”
Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said the organization was confident Bryant had matured after sending defensive line coach Joe Cullen to work him out before the draft.
“Looking into his background with coach Cullen out there, as well as our scouting staff, we felt like [bryant] is past the mistakes he has made and ready to move on,” Chudzinski said April 27 during a news conference.
Bryant’s agent did not immediately reply to a message from the Beacon Journal seeking comment.
Less than a week after the Browns drafted defensive end Armonty Bryant, his history of off-the-field trouble continued to grow.
Bryant was arrested Friday morning in Ada, Okla., and charged with driving under the influence, according to a police report obtained today by the Beacon Journal. He faces a misdemeanor DUI charge and is scheduled to be arraigned at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday in Pontotoc County District Court.
The Ada News first reported the arrest today.
“We are aware of the incident and are now in the process of collecting more information," Browns vice president of media relations Neal Gulkis said in a statement. "We will not have any further comment.”
After pulling Bryant over, officer Kylor Pool administered a standard field sobriety test but had problems getting Bryant to comply with a preliminary breath test by properly blowing into a breathalyzer, according to the police report. In the report, Pool wrote that he attempted the test at least 10 times, and it eventually yielded a result of 0.098. Oklahoma’s legal limit for intoxication is 0.08.
Pool then arrested Bryant and tried to get him to submit to the state’s breath test. Bryant, 22, repeatedly refused to adequately blow into the Intoxilyzer, though two deficient samples read 0.10 and 0.09, according to the report. Bryant also declined to submit to the state’s blood test.
“During my interactions with Armonty I observed him to have slurred speech, to have a strong odor associated with an alcoholic beverage coming from about his person and to be unbalanced on his feet,” Pool wrote in the report.
According to the report, Pool pulled Bryant over at 3:46 a.m. Friday because Bryant made a left turn after failing to signal until his vehicle had come to a stop at a stop sign near East Central University’s Norris Field, where he became a Division II college football standout. Bryant initially told Pool he was driving a friend home from a party and had not been drinking, but he later “stated that he had a few drinks earlier in the evening,” according to the report.
A passenger in the vehicle with Bryant, Ashley Robison, was arrested and charged with public intoxication.
Bryant posted $500 bail and was released from the Pontotoc County Justice Center at 10:30 a.m. Friday.
On April 27, the Browns drafted Bryant in the seventh round (No. 217 overall) despite his baggage. Bryant was suspended for three games last season after being arrested in October for selling $20 of marijuana twice to an undercover officer, both times in an ECU parking lot, according to the News. Because the transactions came within 2,000 feet of a school, he was charged with a felony.
Moments after he was drafted, the 6-foot-4, 263-pound Bryant said he learned from his marijuana arrest and vowed not to disappoint the Browns for showing faith in him.
‘“Good people make mistakes’ is something that I’ve always been told by my [college] coach,” Bryant said April 27 during a conference call with the Cleveland media. “I feel like it was just a stupid move on my part. I should have been more mature about the situation and be more focused on football, which is something I really want to do with my life.
“Now that I’ve gotten that second chance, I feel like I won’t let anyone down. I won’t let myself, the people around me or the Cleveland Browns down. I appreciate them for taking this chance on me.”
Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said the organization was confident Bryant had matured after sending defensive line coach Joe Cullen to work him out before the draft.
“Looking into his background with coach Cullen out there, as well as our scouting staff, we felt like [bryant] is past the mistakes he has made and ready to move on,” Chudzinski said April 27 during a news conference.
Bryant’s agent did not immediately reply to a message from the Beacon Journal seeking comment.
gandalas
Footballguy
Totally unrelated, but I want to know how the heck his passenger in the car was charged with public intoxication? He wasn't driving, and was not in a public setting. How is getting a ride home while drunk worthy of being arrested?
Anyway, that is a subject for another side of the forum.
Anyway, that is a subject for another side of the forum.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
After reading the report it doesn't seem as bad as I originally assumed. Certainly no amount of drinking and driving is acceptable for a draftee who hasn't even signed a contract but it seems like this incident was not where Armonty was out of control.
His criminal history cosists of:
- selling $20 worth of pot
- getting pulled over at 3:45 AM for not signaling a turn where the cop said he had slurred speech and a heavy odor of alchohol but it turned out his breathalizer test revealed a .098
That low of an a result on a breathalizer would not realistically cause slurred speech of a heavy odor of alchohol unless he spilled some on his clothing. The fact the cop hauled in the passenger shows that the 'peace officer' may have been aggressively dispatching his duties, possibly a more than warranted. The low breathalizer results seem to question his statements. Add a bail of only $500 shows that officials did not view this as a serious incident.
No excuse for being behind the wheel even with a low alchohol level but this isn't as severe as I originally assumed.
Taking a shot in the draft with a seventh round selection on a guy with his pass rushing upside isn't as riskly as taking a shot on a guy like the Honey Badger in the third round who has such a repetative history in failing drug tests that his behavior cost him plenty but he still won't stop which indicates a much more difficult problem to overcome.
This incident could be a legit wake-up call for Armonty.
The pick of a 286 lb DE was the only one tht did not fit the scheme so I went back and took a look at his tape along with the other selections. After viewing the tape I saw how he dominated at his level of competition. I also see how stupid his original act of selling pot on the practice feild caused him to drop in the draft. However if you look at his tape you understand why the front office took a shot.
This incident could be a blessing in disguise because the kid shold buckle-down.
I thought he would be at least a year away from contibuting due to him being simply too-light to play 3-4 DE. I don't think this incident is a huge ordeal. If the kid messes up again, he's history but something like this might prompt him to get serious about his life and career.
If he sticks he could be a very interesting guy, next year.
His criminal history cosists of:
- selling $20 worth of pot
- getting pulled over at 3:45 AM for not signaling a turn where the cop said he had slurred speech and a heavy odor of alchohol but it turned out his breathalizer test revealed a .098
That low of an a result on a breathalizer would not realistically cause slurred speech of a heavy odor of alchohol unless he spilled some on his clothing. The fact the cop hauled in the passenger shows that the 'peace officer' may have been aggressively dispatching his duties, possibly a more than warranted. The low breathalizer results seem to question his statements. Add a bail of only $500 shows that officials did not view this as a serious incident.
No excuse for being behind the wheel even with a low alchohol level but this isn't as severe as I originally assumed.
Taking a shot in the draft with a seventh round selection on a guy with his pass rushing upside isn't as riskly as taking a shot on a guy like the Honey Badger in the third round who has such a repetative history in failing drug tests that his behavior cost him plenty but he still won't stop which indicates a much more difficult problem to overcome.
This incident could be a legit wake-up call for Armonty.
The pick of a 286 lb DE was the only one tht did not fit the scheme so I went back and took a look at his tape along with the other selections. After viewing the tape I saw how he dominated at his level of competition. I also see how stupid his original act of selling pot on the practice feild caused him to drop in the draft. However if you look at his tape you understand why the front office took a shot.
This incident could be a blessing in disguise because the kid shold buckle-down.
I thought he would be at least a year away from contibuting due to him being simply too-light to play 3-4 DE. I don't think this incident is a huge ordeal. If the kid messes up again, he's history but something like this might prompt him to get serious about his life and career.
If he sticks he could be a very interesting guy, next year.
amnesiac
beer is good
sounds like an Onion article. although i'm pretty sure Al Davis's draft board was arranged soley by 40 times
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ross Tucker, formerly of ESPN's Football Today podcast has started his own podcast and he did a nice draft recap of the first round with Greg Cossell. They covered all of the picks not just the Browns.
Link here:
http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/4-26-13-first-round-draft-review/
Tucker said the Browns took a linebacker in Barkevious Mingo and he thought it was wierd because he said the Browns already had Sheard and Kruger so he started to ask if Cossell felt it meant that Sheard would be traded but before he could even finish the sentence Cossell cut him off and firmly answered NO!
Cossell seems to really like the Mingo pick, he went on and on about how we'd keep all three pass rushers and the defense would be a 'hybrid' defense and he said that Mingo would play the role of a JOKER and get moved all over the defense. Warning to those who didn't like the Browns draft because Cossell's enthusiasm concerning how Mingo and the other pass rushers will get used is infectious.
Give this podcast a listen, it will get you excited about the possibilities in having, Sheard, Kruger, and Mingo, all getting after the quarterback.
A few days later Tucker further broke down each team's draft in a segment of what he liked and didn't like of each draft. Link to that podcast here:
http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/4-29-13-2013-nfl-draft-recap/
Tucker didn't think the McFadden was good but the background story is he was projecting CB Dee Miliner to the Browns in his mock drafts and I think he built up the need for the Browns taking a corner to be the highest priority on the team but I don't agree with him and if you heard the Browns Dailey podcast the other day with Vic Carrucci he had on former Browns cornerback Hanford Dixon and Top Dawg loves McFadden.
Link to Browns Dailey podcast with Vic Carrucci and Hanford Dixon.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Hanford-Dixon-Interview---53/ffc27a2a-075d-4ba9-ad26-ce0c03a4b900
Dixon said that he spoke with CB Joe Haden about McFadden and Joe told him that he had already started to take McFadden under his wing. Hanford also said that the decision to build up the pass rush was the right call. He said that an aggressive pass rush is the best friend to defensive backs and he just loves McFadden and thinks he'll be starting soon. He said he's definitely a man-to-man cover guy.
The next day the Browns Daily podcast had guest Gil Brandt on the show and he said he liked McFadden. He has strong ties around the league and Brandt said that many teams had McFadden with a late-first early-second round draft grade so he really liked the pick.
Ross Tucker used to host the Football Today podcast. He by-and-large gave quality analysis and I think his new podcasts will have the same stuff and find an audience and take off but I don't agree with him concerning the Browns top-two picks, I side with Cossell on the Barkevious Mingo selection over Dee Milliner and I side with Hanford Dixon and Gil Brandt on the CB Leon McFadden pick.
Good stuff, good listening if you have the time and want some good takes on the Browns draft picks and how they'll be utilized.
Link here:
http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/4-26-13-first-round-draft-review/
Tucker said the Browns took a linebacker in Barkevious Mingo and he thought it was wierd because he said the Browns already had Sheard and Kruger so he started to ask if Cossell felt it meant that Sheard would be traded but before he could even finish the sentence Cossell cut him off and firmly answered NO!
Cossell seems to really like the Mingo pick, he went on and on about how we'd keep all three pass rushers and the defense would be a 'hybrid' defense and he said that Mingo would play the role of a JOKER and get moved all over the defense. Warning to those who didn't like the Browns draft because Cossell's enthusiasm concerning how Mingo and the other pass rushers will get used is infectious.
Give this podcast a listen, it will get you excited about the possibilities in having, Sheard, Kruger, and Mingo, all getting after the quarterback.
A few days later Tucker further broke down each team's draft in a segment of what he liked and didn't like of each draft. Link to that podcast here:
http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/4-29-13-2013-nfl-draft-recap/
Tucker didn't think the McFadden was good but the background story is he was projecting CB Dee Miliner to the Browns in his mock drafts and I think he built up the need for the Browns taking a corner to be the highest priority on the team but I don't agree with him and if you heard the Browns Dailey podcast the other day with Vic Carrucci he had on former Browns cornerback Hanford Dixon and Top Dawg loves McFadden.
Link to Browns Dailey podcast with Vic Carrucci and Hanford Dixon.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Hanford-Dixon-Interview---53/ffc27a2a-075d-4ba9-ad26-ce0c03a4b900
Dixon said that he spoke with CB Joe Haden about McFadden and Joe told him that he had already started to take McFadden under his wing. Hanford also said that the decision to build up the pass rush was the right call. He said that an aggressive pass rush is the best friend to defensive backs and he just loves McFadden and thinks he'll be starting soon. He said he's definitely a man-to-man cover guy.
The next day the Browns Daily podcast had guest Gil Brandt on the show and he said he liked McFadden. He has strong ties around the league and Brandt said that many teams had McFadden with a late-first early-second round draft grade so he really liked the pick.
Ross Tucker used to host the Football Today podcast. He by-and-large gave quality analysis and I think his new podcasts will have the same stuff and find an audience and take off but I don't agree with him concerning the Browns top-two picks, I side with Cossell on the Barkevious Mingo selection over Dee Milliner and I side with Hanford Dixon and Gil Brandt on the CB Leon McFadden pick.
Good stuff, good listening if you have the time and want some good takes on the Browns draft picks and how they'll be utilized.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Josh Gordon @JOSH_GORDONXII 7 May
It's been a "Weeds"marathon all week.. Seasons 1-8..
Concerns me with his history.....
It's been a "Weeds"marathon all week.. Seasons 1-8..
Concerns me with his history.....
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Good article, thanks.
I like what I read for the most part about the regime. What makes you pause for concern? The guy is clearly a highly skilled writer, alot of people will take the style he wrote this as a negative piece. Good luck to him using this to get into another war room "during" the draft.
