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Moffitt started 6 games for Seattle in 2012, 9 in 2011

Moffitt was drafted number 75 overall by the Seattle Seahawks in the 2011 NFL Draft. During the live ESPN coverage of the draft, Moffitt was termed "unathletic" and "a reach" by ESPN analyst Todd McShay.[citation needed] Moffitt started nine games in the 2011 season before being injured in the week-13 game against the Baltimore Ravens.[7]

Moffitt was traded to the Cleveland Browns on August 19, 2013.

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Moffitt started 6 games for Seattle in 2012, 9 in 2011

Moffitt was drafted number 75 overall by the Seattle Seahawks in the 2011 NFL Draft. During the live ESPN coverage of the draft, Moffitt was termed "unathletic" and "a reach" by ESPN analyst Todd McShay.[citation needed] Moffitt started nine games in the 2011 season before being injured in the week-13 game against the Baltimore Ravens.[7]

Moffitt was traded to the Cleveland Browns on August 19, 2013.

He is the "class clown" type. Servicable guy, doesn't do anything great.

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Browns have made a trade with Seattle -

Get offensive guard John Moffitt for defensive lineman Brian Sanford

Nice. Someone who will be serviceable in the regular season while we work through injuries for someone who was going to get cut very soon at a position of extreme depth.

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Hey Browns fans,

Moffitt is certainly serviceable. I think you're front office made a good trade to fill a need here. You're probably asking yourself, what's wrong with Moffitt that caused Seattle to give up on him? From my perception the "class clown" comment above is true, but there's more here. Seattle's offensive line coach Tom Cable likes that nasty quality in this players. I don't think Moffitt has that quality. He'll be assignment correct, but he's not the guy you're going to run behind to get that one yard at the goal line in the fourth quarter.

I posted in this thread about a year ago saying I was rooting for the Browns. I feel bad for your fan base. I think the NFL would be a better league with a competitive Cleveland franchise and its depressing watching them struggle year after year. I feel your pain. I watched my Seahawks go 21 years without a playoff win. Best of luck to you this season.

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Hey Browns fans,

Moffitt is certainly serviceable. I think you're front office made a good trade to fill a need here. You're probably asking yourself, what's wrong with Moffitt that caused Seattle to give up on him? From my perception the "class clown" comment above is true, but there's more here. Seattle's offensive line coach Tom Cable likes that nasty quality in this players. I don't think Moffitt has that quality. He'll be assignment correct, but he's not the guy you're going to run behind to get that one yard at the goal line in the fourth quarter.

I posted in this thread about a year ago saying I was rooting for the Browns. I feel bad for your fan base. I think the NFL would be a better league with a competitive Cleveland franchise and its depressing watching them struggle year after year. I feel your pain. I watched my Seahawks go 21 years without a playoff win. Best of luck to you this season.

Thanks and good luck to you also. We've got some injuries and no depth...Moffitt will get a look here to see if he can be a stop gap and then maybe a decent reserve. Maybe Sanford catches on the back end of your roster, I'm not sure about your DL depth but know there are injuries/suspension looming. We don't have alot of info on Sanford because he rarely played when games mattered. If makes it on, win-win trade.

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Trade nullified.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/cleveland_browns_void_trade_fo.html

Cleveland Browns void trade for Seattle Seahawks guard John Moffitt because of health concerns

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns voided their trade with Seattle for guard John Moffitt today because of health concerns, a league source said.

Hours after the trade was voided, the Seahawks traded Moffitt to the Broncos for defensive tackle Sealver Siliga.

It means the Browns retain the rights to defensive lineman Brian Sanford, who had been shipped to the Seahawks in the trade for Moffitt.

Moffitt talked to the media in the locker room before practice, and then pulled on his shells and jersey and headed out to the practice field, helmet in hand. But before he even began warming up, coach Rob Chudzinski escorted him back to the locker room and was overheard telling him they would take care of it upstairs.

Moffitt, a third-round pick of the Seahawks in 2011 out of Wisconsin, was set to compete with rookie Garrett Gilkey for the starting right guard job in the absence of injured players Shawn Lauvao and Jason Pinkston.

For now, Gilkey is back as the frontrunner for the job.

Gilkey said he was not upset about the trade for Moffitt when he learned of it.

“No over-reaction,'' he said. "You need to come in and out forth our best effort and work as hard as you can. If anything, it’s more motivation to keep getting better and refine my technique and my practice out on the field.”

Sanford (6-2, 280) was originally signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent out of Temple in 2010. He's appeared in six games for the Browns, including one last season. He spent the first seven weeks of last season on the practice squad and appeared in one game before placed on injured reserve with a knee injury.

Sanford has been a third-string end this preseason.

Moffitt was hoping for a fresh start with the Browns.

“I was a little shocked,'' he said of the trade before learning it had been nullfied. “I didn't see it coming, but then I was excited. I thought I had been playing very good football. I think I'm in the best football shape I've been in. I'm excited to be here, where I think it's a better opportunity.''

Moffitt made news off the field in Seattle. He pleaded guilty in June to disorderly conduct in relation to three incidents in Seattle in 2012 that included urinating in public, the Seattle Times reported. Moffitt paid a fine of $1,407 and received a suspended sentence of 24 months in jail.

“The off-the-field things, that happened a long time ago. It happened after my rookie year,'' he said. "Unfortunately, all the court appearances were settled three months ago. So, it was something that happened right off the bat, that I put behind me a long time ago.

“As far as Cleveland, I do look at it as across the board, not just off the field things, as a fresh start.''

While he was on injured reserve as a rookie, Moffitt was suspended four games for testing positive for Adderall, a performance-enhancing drug banned by the NFL. He served the suspension while on injured reserve and lost four game checks. Moffitt later told the Seattle Times he was unaware Adderall was banned. “With me, it was just something that I didn't realize," Moffitt said. "It was a total mistake.”

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So what happened to the Browns last night?

Seemed like a lot of progress was being made and then... 3rd PS game and judging by the box score it looked like the old verse, same as the first.

Many penalties, poor QB play, poor WR seperation and dropped balls, first turnovers of the preseason, defense hadn't seen some formations and were caught flat footed, still working out kinks in the secondary and had some young guys who were out of position/busted coverages, noticeable fall-off in experience and athleticism when second string inside linebackers went on the field, so lots of justified criticism goes to the Browns but give credit to, Indianapolis' Andrew Luck, his receivers, and the Colts defense.

Luck was under a lot of pressure but he is a huge guy and can run and he made plays with his wheels. He's also really-really good.

The Indy WRs were on-fire last night. DHB may be better than what he showed in Oakland but then again, he didn't have Andrew Luck in Oakland.

The Colt defense can apply heat and quite frankly Browns QB Brandon Weeden is poor when he's under pressure, This start after the first two preseason games says it all:

Cleveland Browns:

Brandon Weeden has an NFL QB Rating of 150.9 when not under pressure this preseason, and an NFL QB Rating of 39.6 when under pressure.

And has been pointed out far too many times, Weeden stares down receivers but whereas Andrew Luck was anticipating breaks by his wideouts and getting rid of the ball early, Weeden would hold and stare until his WRs made breaks and rarely anticipates throws and/or THROWS OPEN his recievers. He's not Charlie Frye-bad in that reguard because he can stroke the pill into tight corners and make throws look easy that are really difficult but he will occasionally throw a WTF-type of highly innacurate throw when a reciever is wide open. He did that last year and we saw that yesterday.

Luck was a test for the defense and they failed miserably. A big athletic/mobile QB with his throwing skills just ate them up.

Weeden faced a secondary that took seperation away from his receivers and he couldn't throw them open/make things happen and he can't make teams pay with his legs like Luck can.

T-Rich looked good, he'll be fine.

The O-line has a hole at RG till Lavaua and Pinkston return.

The WRs and TE are simply going to have to catch and the ball.

The offense can't afford to lose the turnover game and they simply can't kill themselves with that many penalties.

Basically a horrible performance, you can throw at a mistake board and hit a bullseye every toss if you wanted to pick on any aspect of Cleveland's porr effort from last night..

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So what happened to the Browns last night?

Seemed like a lot of progress was being made and then... 3rd PS game and judging by the box score it looked like the old verse, same as the first.

The Browns have had problems for years following up strong performances with another one, Saturday was just another notch on the belt. I went in depth about my issues re Weeden in his thread and it's the same problems I've been repeating for a year and a half - plays poorly under pressure, stares down WR's, inaccurate - especially when needing to reset his feet or move to his 2nd or 3rd option, can't read the field, and can't throw left. I didn't have a huge problem with the defense, that's just today's NFL. This team is designed to beat average or worse offenses, but the top 10-12 QB's in the league are going to carve this unit up. It will take 24-30+ point performances to beat a team like Indy and it's on Weeden to make that happen. When the guys around him are struggling he has to step up, like good QB's do, he caved Saturday.

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Brandon Weeden has an NFL QB Rating of 150.9 when not under pressure this preseason, and an NFL QB Rating of 39.6 when under pressure.

Just saw this to put the above into context.

Seems Weeden isn't the only QB who struggles while under durress.

From PFF game ReFo (ReFocus) per CLE - IND tilt.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/26/refo-cle-ind-preseason-wk-3/

Game Notes

- Andrew Luck when facing no pressure: 13-of-17, two touchdowns, and a 140.3 passer rating. When pressured: 3-of-8, a pick, a sack, and a rating of 6.3.

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Cleveland Browns:

Brandon Weeden has an NFL QB Rating of 150.9 when not under pressure this preseason, and an NFL QB Rating of 39.6 when under pressure.

Just saw this to put the above into context.

Seems Weeden isn't the only QB who struggles while under durress.

From PFF game ReFo (ReFocus) per CLE - IND tilt.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/26/refo-cle-ind-preseason-wk-3/

Game Notes

- Andrew Luck when facing no pressure: 13-of-17, two touchdowns, and a 140.3 passer rating. When pressured: 3-of-8, a pick, a sack, and a rating of 6.3.

Luck's rushing numbers when pressured?

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So what happened to the Browns last night?

Seemed like a lot of progress was being made and then... 3rd PS game and judging by the box score it looked like the old verse, same as the first.

The Browns have had problems for years following up strong performances with another one, Saturday was just another notch on the belt. I went in depth about my issues re Weeden in his thread and it's the same problems I've been repeating for a year and a half - plays poorly under pressure, stares down WR's, inaccurate - especially when needing to reset his feet or move to his 2nd or 3rd option, can't read the field, and can't throw left. I didn't have a huge problem with the defense, that's just today's NFL. This team is designed to beat average or worse offenses, but the top 10-12 QB's in the league are going to carve this unit up. It will take 24-30+ point performances to beat a team like Indy and it's on Weeden to make that happen. When the guys around him are struggling he has to step up, like good QB's do, he caved Saturday.

Yea, I've got to agree that 3rd game was bad all around. And just when I was about to fool myself into thinking we might be competitive this year... Hope they find a way to prove me wrong. In Chud we trust...

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Cleveland cut Graham and waive Bogatay?

Also JMJ being waived is a little surprising.

I think they don't expect either kicker, or at least both, to latch on anywhere and want to see if anything comes available. Therefore, why keep either kicker at this point? Seems to make sense to me.

I figured JMJ was on the bubble because I was confident in these LB's making team:

DQ

Groves

Mingo

Kruger

Sheard

Robertson

Fort

Carder (especially by the end of the preseason)

Not sure about Hazel and Martin though...are they solid special teams players and/or did they have solid camps? One of them may be gone soon. You have to figure we'll shore up certain spots on the roster over the next few days by other teams cuts (WR - we only have 4 active, FB, secondary).

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This kid seems interesting.

Looks like he can handle kickoff returns so we may see him soon.

Pro Football Focus@PFF1 Sep

New Browns running back Bobby Rainey was our highest graded cut RB. Forced 11 missed tackles on 26 preseason touches https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/01/cut-tracker-running-backs/

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=21671

Rainey: A 5-8, 212-pound running back, he was in his second training camp with the Ravens after being signed in 2012 from Western Kentucky. He led the Ravens in rushing in preseason with 23 carries for 89 yards and two touchdowns. Rainey also is a candidate to return kicks.

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Question for Browns homers - does Haden typically cover #1 WR, or stick to a side? Trying to figure out if he's going to be blanketing Mike Wallace on Sunday. How's the rest of the secondary this year?

He used to just stay on one side. Don't know if that will be the case this year. I wouldn't think he will follow Wallace because he is the type of WR that Skrine can handle better than the big physical guys.

Overall their secondary is: unproven.

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Skrine should be better vs Wallace than against other ones. The double move kills him, Wallace is nothing special with his routes. He has the speed to matchup and the browns pass rush should dominate an inferior line not allowing much time for down field plays to develop.

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Miami WR Mike Wallace putting up bulletin board material for Browns CB Joe Haden.

Um, from what I recall, Joe has basically done pretty decent against Wallace but Mike is basically calling him out so this will be a fun angle to follow during the game.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-mike-wallace-is-excited-about-his-showdown-with-joe-haden-20130904,0,1350200.story

Dolphins WR Mike Wallace to Joe Haden: "Be ready on Sunday"

By Omar KellySun Sentinel

5:35 p.m. EDT, September 4, 2013

DAVIE

Mike Wallace doesn’t shy away from the expectations placed on him as the new featured receiver for the Miami Dolphins. But he’s also the first to admit he doesn’t know exactly what to expect in 2013.

So much is uncertain, so much is unfamiliar to Wallace in his new city, with his new team. But Wallace is thankful that the Dolphins’ season-opener is against the Cleveland Browns, a team he’s very familiar with from his Pittsburgh days.

Wallace is thrilled about the opportunity to line up against Browns cornerback Joe Haden

“I know it is going to be a long battle all day long. I’m going to sleep early and I hope he goes to sleep early because it is going to be a long day,” said Wallace, a two-time Pro Bowl receiver who signed a five-year, $60 million contract with the Dolphins this offseason. “I’m excited because [Haden is] a guy where you can really [gage] where you’re at.

“He’s a upper echelon cornerbacks where you can see if you’re ready or not,” said Wallace, who caught six passes for 89 yards and a touchdown in the three preseason games he played this past month. “I feel ready, but we’ll see on Sunday."

Wallace expects to be shadowed by Haden, whom he’s had a rivalry with since their days competing against one another in the SEC. Wallace, who played at Ole Miss, remembers scoring a 77-yard touchdown against the former Florida Gators standout back in 2007, when Haden was a rookie.

“We go way back,” Wallace said. “Joe is a great player. The thing that makes Joe a great player is he’s real confident. He’s confident in his abilities. He’s going to look sweet. He’s going to wear all white. He’s going to where orange shoes. He’s going to amp himself up. That’s half the battle. When you look good you play good. He’s going to feel good about himself, but I’m going to come out even sweeter.

“I’m going to really wear all white,” Wallace said, referring to the color of the Dolphins’ road uniforms. “I’m going to have my swag out too so he better be ready on Sunday.”

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The mounting injuries are causing my optimism to wane. This team doesn't have much depth.

:confused:

Lauvao and Mingo are out.

Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.

So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.

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The mounting injuries are causing my optimism to wane. This team doesn't have much depth.

:confused:

Lauvao and Mingo are out.

Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.

So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.

Are you not worried about Rubin?

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The mounting injuries are causing my optimism to wane. This team doesn't have much depth.

:confused:

Lauvao and Mingo are out.

Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.

So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.

Are you not worried about Rubin?

not really, and if there is one place we have the depth to cover an injury its the d line.
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The mounting injuries are causing my optimism to wane. This team doesn't have much depth.

:confused:

Lauvao and Mingo are out.

Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.

So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.

Are you not worried about Rubin?

not really, and if there is one place we have the depth to cover an injury its the d line.

Thank you. I will return to my previous optimism ... which all rides on how Weeden plays.

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Well, at least we have new coaches and systems (again).

2012 -- suspect QB ... 2013 -- suspect QB

2012 -- poor OGs ... 2013 -- poor OGs

2012 -- suspect WRs ... 2013 suspect WRs

2012 -- zero RB depth ... 2013 zero RB depth

2012 -- Good defensive front 7 ... 2013 better defensive front 7

2012 -- Holes in the secondary ... 2013 Holes in the secondary

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I don't understand why there weren't adjustments made to deal with pressure from the Fins. Miami adjusted to our rush and gave Tannehilll a lot more time in the second half. Why was no one helping Schwartz? Why didn't we run more screen plays? I thought our coaching staff was going to be better this year. Let me be clear. Weeden was not good. But this lost is not all on him.

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I'm just going to repeat what I wrote after my draft day hangover subsided.

The browns approach to 2013, prove us wrong weeden. We don't believe in you and are setting ourselves up for 2014 and beyond. I think I get it now.

Acquiring picks to be able to move up in 2014? More 'star' players next year

Exactly what they are doing. Getting the ammo to trade for a qb if we win too many games to pick a qb but not enough to justify keeping weeden around.

Smart but very frustrating strategy. If weeden proves them wrong we can really stack up next year. Sucks that 2013 is basically a lost year though, another evaluation season for a new regime. For all the good the old guys did them dropping the ball at the two most important spots coach and qb really screwed this team up.

This feels like the first year of the old regime, wasting it evaluating the roster and letting weeden bury his own grave like mangini.

We never planned to win this year.

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I don't understand why there weren't adjustments made to deal with pressure from the Fins. Miami adjusted to our rush and gave Tannehilll a lot more time in the second half. Why was no one helping Schwartz? Why didn't we run more screen plays? I thought our coaching staff was going to be better this year. Let me be clear. Weeden was not good. But this lost is not all on him.

The lack of half time adjustments was probably the one thing I did not expect yesterday that really pissed me off. Richardson's dance moves too.

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Without a doubt the person I'm most disappointed in is Norv Turner. I really expected much better.

I'm also unhappy with the front office for not doing a better job of dealing with the guard issue and for not stocking the team with a real fullback.

They tried to address the guard issue, but that dude from Seattle isn't healthy. We had the reinforcements to deal with one injury, but not two. Most teams don't have that kind of depth week 1. I'll bet they were hoping to have the rook ready in season, but now we may need him week 2. Cousins needs to be cut. He needed to be cut in the 3rd quarter.

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Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.

The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.

Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.

After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.

I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!

:censored:

Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!

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Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.

The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.

Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.

After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.

I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!

:censored:

Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!

Reminded me of last year's hail mary vs. Baltimore when he threw it over the end zone. Awareness...does not compute.

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Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.

The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.

Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.

After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.

I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!

:censored:

Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!

Reminded me of last year's hail mary vs. Baltimore when he threw it over the end zone. Awareness...does not compute.

Yup. I couldn't believe the weird shovel pass when he was scrambling around on that final 4th down play. Throw the ball at somebody. See if something miraculous happens.

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