beer 302 160 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I feel bad for Bernie but he is one that gets on the radio every time someone gets popped and preaches about getting a ride. Dude can't get out of his own way. Pretty sure he just blew the announcing gig he had that he was on thin ice for anyhow because of his comments earlier this season.On the upside, Browns on a 2 game win streak, Tribe in the playoffs and stillers have lost on two continents. Life is good! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 886 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Win on its way Thursday. We took them lightly last year, won't repeat the mistake.Man if we had started hoyer instead of that bum week one...possibly. Miami was a winnable game.both of them werenever felt like they were in the Baltimore game, even when they were ahead. but... maybe Hoyer could have been the difference? just felt like they played like crap most of that game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 28 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season. First place Browns have Hoyer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season.These posts are getting old already. Edited September 30, 2013 by Bobcat10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riversco 604 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season.Assume the Steelers collapse and finish with the #2 overall pick. They don't need a QB. They want both first rounders plus your 2015 first rounder to trade down and let you draft your QB (assume you drool over Manziel). If you don't, the Steelers select Clowney and Manziel winds up with the Raiders who have the #3 pick, and you get nothing.What do you do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,077 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season. Assume the Steelers collapse and finish with the #2 overall pick. They don't need a QB. They want both first rounders plus your 2015 first rounder to trade down and let you draft your QB (assume you drool over Manziel). If you don't, the Steelers select Clowney and Manziel winds up with the Raiders who have the #3 pick, and you get nothing.What do you do?assuming the Steelers see a franchise qb worthy of the pick they pick that guy and trade Ben. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallerjw 2 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Anybody think it's worth trying to land Freeman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Man With No Name 1,054 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yes, for the veteran minimum with Incentives or a little more. Shouldn't take much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 13,423 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I guess the Browns are gonna screw this up and be out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes....Oak and Jax will definitely want Bridgewater and they both are on track for a winless season.First place Browns have Hoyer.He's about the only decent QB left on my keeper league waiver wire. Worth a shot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,463 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Win on its way Thursday. We took them lightly last year, won't repeat the mistake.Man if we had started hoyer instead of that bum week one...Hard to imagine how Weeden won that QB "competition" in retrospect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thecardiackid 83 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Win on its way Thursday. We took them lightly last year, won't repeat the mistake.Man if we had started hoyer instead of that bum week one...Hard to imagine how Weeden won that QB "competition" in retrospect.Even more interesting when you include the fact that Hoyer was the #3 and jumped ahead of Campbell @ #2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 886 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Win on its way Thursday. We took them lightly last year, won't repeat the mistake.Man if we had started hoyer instead of that bum week one... Hard to imagine how Weeden won that QB "competition" in retrospect. Even more interesting when you include the fact that Hoyer was the #3 and jumped ahead of Campbell @ #2i think everybody knows what Campbell is at this point. you can throw him in a game and he can run the offense. he's the clear cut backup. i wouldn't be surprised to see Weeden at #3 and see him leapfrog Campbell again for the next start if Hoyer were to go down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thecardiackid 83 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 the battle for "north coast" bragging rights is upon us. our only primetime game?? let's go browns. and let's go GORDON! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It's our only one til we get flexed in a big AFCN game!Wearing brown on brown tonight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 886 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 never mind. Campbell is inactive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Man With No Name 1,054 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It's our only one til we get flexed in a big AFCN game!Maybe week 14 at New England or 15 against Chicago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Weeden time...idiot fans already booing him. Good coverage on his first attempt. Second attempt had a defensive player in his face 1 second after getting the snap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Weeden time...idiot fans already booing him. Good coverage on his first attempt. Second attempt had a defensive player in his face 1 second after getting the snap.I really don't like booing our own players, no matter how bad. They booed Perez last night too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nxmehta 12 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'LL TAKE THAT 3 GAME WIN STREAK THANK YOU VERY MUCH!So, Hoyer? ACL maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I'LL TAKE THAT 3 GAME WIN STREAK THANK YOU VERY MUCH!So, Hoyer? ACL maybe?LCL according to an earlier game thread post. I think that's it for him. Edited October 4, 2013 by PlasmaDogPlasma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Weeden time...idiot fans already booing him. Good coverage on his first attempt. Second attempt had a defensive player in his face 1 second after getting the snap.I really don't like booing our own players, no matter how bad. They booed Perez last night too.I don't care about booing if it's called for. Like the announcers (or maybe it was Irvin) said, it was like the line just decided not to block when Weeden entered. That said, it's pretty clear Weeden is not the future...but I do think he's good enough to get this team to 8-8, maybe even win this division.And ya, I was there last night, and did not boo Perez. He actually had some nuts to tell the manager he wasn't right and didn't want to cost the team the playoffs. Not many could do that. Stoner or non stoner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'LL TAKE THAT 3 GAME WIN STREAK THANK YOU VERY MUCH!So, Hoyer? ACL maybe?LCL according to an earlier game thread post. I think that's it for him.I should say we won't really know for sure until tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Good interview by Weeden, imo. Good guy. Came right out and said what Hoyer does better than he does. Maybe he'll improve on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 If this team gets 1-2 more solid as hell OLs this draft.... good lord.and we really do need a RB... ben tateol + ben tate... good lord, we may be playoff bound and fears Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Man With No Name 1,054 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 That 3rd and 18 throw to Gordon was impressive.Detroit is next Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,584 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 @MaryKayCabot: #browns Hoyer hobbled out in full right knee brace on crutches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Congrats Clev. You are officially in 1st place of the AFC North. Even if it is just for a few days, well done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Im trying to hold myself back from thinking about playoffs...but I havent seen us at the top this 'deep' into the season in a loooooong while it seems Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RevDawg 15 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Im trying to hold myself back from thinking about playoffs...but I havent seen us at the top this 'deep' into the season in a loooooong while it seemsDon't think about the playoffs now. We could just as easily end the season 5-11. The schedule is not easy here on out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CentralPA 1,037 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm cheering for the Browns and their fans. That town sports wise has been through hell. Do you guys think Lombardi goes after Freeman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Quinoa 2,289 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Im trying to hold myself back from thinking about playoffs...but I havent seen us at the top this 'deep' into the season in a loooooong while it seemsDon't think about the playoffs now. We could just as easily end the season 5-11. The schedule is not easy here on out. In the next 5 you've got DET and BAL at home which are certainly not locks but are winnable, and 3 tough road games (KC,GB, CIN) that I would expect them to probably lose.But 4 of the last 6 are VERY winnable (PIT, JAX, @NYJ, @PIT) and CHI at home is not unwinnable either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Im trying to hold myself back from thinking about playoffs...but I havent seen us at the top this 'deep' into the season in a loooooong while it seems Don't think about the playoffs now. We could just as easily end the season 5-11. The schedule is not easy here on out. In the next 5 you've got DET and BAL at home which are certainly not locks but are winnable, and 3 tough road games (KC,GB, CIN) that I would expect them to probably lose.But 4 of the last 6 are VERY winnable (PIT, JAX, @NYJ, @PIT) and CHI at home is not unwinnable either.If Clev can just win the divisional games on that slate they will be in very good shape. I think they can, but you never know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracie Smathers 3,610 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 The team has to rely on QB Brandon Weeden. Last night he came in off the bench in a game with a quick turnaround so he didn't get reps and didn't know the game plan so Norv Turner was calling plays that he knew from the first two weeks of the season. At first Turner was trying to call plays that Hoyer and the rest of the team had worked on and were in the game plan but Weeden didn't know the plays and that is why the communication was messed-up and why he looked lost and was late getting up to the line and gettting plays off.He simply HAS to get better in knowing the game plan so he can get the team lined up quickly where he can look over the defense. He actually did a decent job of calling run audibles at the line but he was working with a very limited game plan which wasn't even installed to match up against the Bills personnel.The biggest issue with Weeden, and it was painfully obvious last night, is he is too damn slow pulling the trigger on his throws. Hoyer got the ball off much quicker and cleaner and Hoyer had the ability to THROW OPEN WRs before they made their cuts so he wasn't waiting for guys to get separation as Weeden does.The defense is better than what it showed last night, lots of guys OUT on the short turnaround week so they should, fingers crossed, be healthier at least in the next game against Detroit. But the team has to rely on and is at the mercy of QB Brandon Weeden.Last week I saw the big storyline as the defense and the development of Brian Hoyer.Now its all about Weeden.He has to go deeper into himself because he CAN DO the same things that Hoyer was doing IF he throws it up, as he did with that deep TD pass to Gordon. Pulling the trigger and trusting the reciever to make the play but he's got to build that trust to PULL THE TRIGGER on short-quick horizontal routes and get that ball out quicker like Brian Hoyer was doing.If he doesn't develop his game then the team will only go as far as the defense and special teams can take it and that won't take them to the post season.The onus shifts to Weeden's ability to develop his game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I'm not a huge josh freeman fan, but Id bet my balls theyre looking at him right now.To be fair, he put up nice numbers with guys like VJax and Mike Williams, so I dont think he's a downgrade on Weeden at all. Definitely more mobile, and gets the ball off quicker than Weed (tho so does my grandmother) Edited October 4, 2013 by Soulfly3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Did anyone catch Nessler call Little "Mr. Dependable" after he made a nice catch? Nessler didn't laugh, and neither did Mayock, but he had to be joking. I thought it was pretty funny... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-Deep 958 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora1mBrian Hoyer has a partial ACL tear only. Will get a second opinion and then get it repaired. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Did anyone catch Nessler call Little "Mr. Dependable" after he made a nice catch? Nessler didn't laugh, and neither did Mayock, but he had to be joking. I thought it was pretty funny...He did.Though I think he mustve had an obstructed view at thought it was Gordon or Cameron.Cuz.. you know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,584 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora1mBrian Hoyer has a partial ACL tear only. Will get a second opinion and then get it repaired.@MaryKayCabot: #Browns Chud, asked if partial tear for Hoyer, said "it's a torn ACL.'' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 886 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora1mBrian Hoyer has a partial ACL tear only. Will get a second opinion and then get it repaired.if it's non surgical it will take about three months of rehab. if it is surgical, obviously it will take longer. either way, it seems like this is about as good of news as they could've expected. looks like partial tears have better outcomes, based on what i've read. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 josh freeman just got a whole lot likelier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 886 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 looked like an LCL at first just because of the angle of his leg when he came down on it. this would be why i shouldn't diagnose players through the tv set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracie Smathers 3,610 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Stick a fork in Hoyer for the year.Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter10mBrowns QB Brian Hoyer tore his ACL, an MRI confirmed. Done for season.=================Per Freeman?If the Browns sign off on the off-field issues then Cleveland, with TE Jordan Cameron, OLT Joe Thomas to protect his blind-side, WR Josh Gordon, and most importantly of all Offensive Coordinator Norv Turner is the best option he has. Add in the shaky ground of 'starter' Brandon Weeden with a 'chance' to step-up and take control of the starting job. Where else does he have that sort of chance, with that sort of player and coaching talent?The decision rests on those off-field issues and ofcourse if Josh feels for some reason that he doesn't want to the chance to be a starter and just wants to sit on the bench behind someone like Tom Brady or ???Obvious need and rare opportunity to get a young guy with experience and some 'possible' upside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Are they gonna wait for Freeman to clear waivers, or are they stuck biting the bullet?Assuming they do go after him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobcat10 1,978 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Are they gonna wait for Freeman to clear waivers, or are they stuck biting the bullet?Assuming they do go after himIs the main issue salary cap related in regards to waivers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Are they gonna wait for Freeman to clear waivers, or are they stuck biting the bullet?Assuming they do go after himIs the main issue salary cap related in regards to waivers?From what I understand, whoever plucks him off waivers is also responsible for an 8m bonus, unless I heard wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 They aren't going to pursue Freeman according to Cleveland Browns Daily. Don't want to deal with the baggage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dancingbones 75 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 They aren't going to pursue Freeman according to Cleveland Browns Daily. Don't want to deal with the baggage.Too bad. I think Freeman would be a nice addition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abe froman 0 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Just saw a Keith Britton tweet saying they are looking at Tyler Thigpen.. Yikes. Info originated from Tom Pellisaro fwiw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,077 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Long run. This could not have gone worse. didn't see enough of hoyer to determine if he is the future or not and won meaningless games that are going to hurt our draft spot in may. Hopeless feeling with twelve games left, double digit losses here we come! That was a fun ten days though, haven't seen the stadium or downtown like that since the Seahawks game in 07. Maybe the giants game in 08. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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