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Doc Who Tied Vaccine to Autism Ruled Unethical (1 Viewer)

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In 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a gastroenterologist at London's Royal Free Hospital, published a study in the prestigious medical journal Lancet that linked the triple Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccine with autism and bowel disorders in children. The study - and Wakefield's subsequent public statements that parents should refuse the vaccines - sparked a public health panic that led vaccination rates in Britain to plunge. Wakefield's study has since been discredited, and the MMR vaccine deemed to be safe. But now medical authorities in the U.K. have also ruled that the manner in which Wakefield carried out his research was unethical. In a ruling on Jan. 28, The General Medical Council, which registers and regulates doctors in the U.K., ruled that Wakefield acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly" during his research and with "callous disregard" for the children involved in his study.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/hl_t...1942543,00.html

After the finding, Wakefield, who now heads an autism research center in Austin, Texas, described the decision as "unfounded and unjust." He added that he had "no regrets" over his work.

The General Medical Council, which will now decide whether to revoke Wakefield's medical license, highlighted several areas where Wakefield acted against the interest of the children involved in the 1998 study. It criticized Wakefield for carrying out invasive tests, such as colonoscopies and spinal taps, without due regard for how the children involved might be affected. It also cited Wakefield's method of gathering blood samples - he paid children at his son's birthday party $8 to give blood - and said that Wakefield displayed a "callous disregard for the distress and pain the children might suffer."

The panel also criticized Wakefield for failing to disclose that, while carrying out the research, he was being paid by lawyers acting for parents who believed their children had been harmed by the MMR jab.

The panel's ruling follows a refutation of Wakefield's research from the scientific community. Ten of 13 authors in the Lancet study have since renounced the study's conclusions. The Lancet has said it should not have published the study in the first place, and various other studies have failed to corroborate Wakefield's hypothesis.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/time/hl_t...1885665,00.html

Despite this, the effects of the media frenzy surrounding Wakefield's research - a study found that MMR was the most written about science topic in the U.K. in 2002 - continue to be felt in Britain. Vaccination rates among toddlers plummeted from over 90% in the mid-1990s to below 70% in some places by 2003. Following this drop, Britain saw an increase in measles cases at a time when the disease had been all but eradicated in many developed countries. In 1998, there were just 56 cases of the disease in England and Wales; by 2008 there were 1,370.

Despite assurances from various health bodies that Wakefield's study was seriously flawed, he still has a dedicated following among parents concerned about a rise in autism rates in the U.K. and U.S. - the cause of which has so far baffled health experts. Wakefield is now the Executive Director of the Thoughtful House autism center in Texas, which the Times of London recently claimed receives millions of dollars in donations each year. At the ruling in London, Wakefield was flanked by a small group of supporters, some of whom shouted in protest as the ruling was read out. Speaking after the hearing, Wakefield remained unbowed, and addressed his supporters directly: "It remains finally for me to thank parents whose loyalty has been extraordinary, and I want to reassure them that the science will continue in earnest."
 
From Jenny McCarthy's website, Generation Rescue:

A Statement from Generation Rescue in Support of Dr. Andrew Wakefield

Do you think pharmaceutical companies have too much influence in the laws, policies, and regulations of our government? We do.

Do you think pharmaceutical companies do things that most Americans would view as unethical to protect their profits? We do.

In a court case in Australia involving the use of the drug Vioxx, it was proven that Merck (the manufacturer of Vioxx) "made a hit list of doctors who had to be "neutralised" or discredited because they criticised the anti-arthritis drug the pharmaceutical giant produced."

In fact, a Merck employee wrote in an email concerning these doctors:

"We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live."

This isn't the stuff of conspiracy theories, this isn't the stuff of cynics or crazy parents, this is court-documented behavior of Merck, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world who happens to also be the manufacturer of one of the world's most profitable vaccines, the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella).

The recent decision by the General Medical Council of the United Kingdom against Andy Wakefield shouldn't surprise anyone who understands the stakes, profits, and reputations at risk in the debate over vaccines and autism.

The sole purpose of the GMC's ruling this week is to try and quell the growing concern of parents that the expanding vaccine schedule and the remarkable rise in autism are correlated. The GMC will no doubt be helped by a press that barely understands the debate and has never read any of the dozens of studies published by Dr. Wakefield in many different respected medical journals.

Dr. Wakefield's journey began with twelve children with autism. Like many of our kids, all twelve of them regressed into autism, and eight of the parents blamed their child's regression on the MMR vaccine, just as tens of thousands of other parents do.

Having heard the stories of thousands of other parents, we can't tell you how many times we've heard the same exact story about regression after MMR.

Dr. Wakefield, a highly respected gastroenterologist in the UK, was presented with the cases of these twelve children who had all regressed into autism and were all experiencing severe gut pain. He felt it was his duty to investigate the concerns of these parents and figure out what had happened to their children. In this interview with CBS News (please watch it), Dr. Wakefield recounts:

"The conclusion was that there is a bowel disease in children with autism which is new which has not been investigated before, that this may well be related to the developmental regression since they occurred around the same time and that the parental association with MMR exposure needed to be thoroughly investigated."

Dr. Wakefield's study, which we hope all journalists will take the time to read, was published in February 1998, twelve years ago. Nowhere in the study does Dr. Wakefield tell parents not to vaccinate their children, despite rampant misreporting on this topic.

It has taken twelve long years for the medical community to catch up with Dr. Wakefield's findings. Finally, just last month, in the American Academy of Pediatrics journal, Pediatrics, a landmark study was published with the finding that:

"Gastrointestinal disorders and associated symptoms are commonly reported in individuals with ASDs [autism]."

Thanks, AAP, we've known that for more than a decade thanks to Dr. Wakefield!

This month, a study published in Autism Insights became public and went one step further: it replicated the findings of Dr. Wakefield's paper from twelve years ago, finding once again that the majority of children with autism studied, in this case 143 children, suffered from severe bowel disease -- read the full study by Dr. Arthur Krigsman here.

You will hear that Dr. Wakefield's other study authors retracted their findings (they didn't). You will hear that this ruling somehow implies the MMR is safe for all children (it doesn't). You will hear that this ruling somehow means that vaccines and autism are unrelated (again, it doesn't).

What we think the GMC and pharmaceutical companies fail to realize is that every time this debate makes the headlines, parents win. The truth about what is being done to our kids is evident to anyone who takes the time to look just one layer below the headlines. When the debate makes the front page again, our community grows.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield is perhaps this debate's greatest hero. He's a doctor who has held onto the truth, unbowed, through pressure that would break most mortals. Dr. Wakefield's influence in saving other children from the fate that befell so many children is incalculable.

While the GMC's ruling was completely expected, we are all blessed to have the unexpected courage of Dr. Andy Wakefield watching over our children.

With great respect and admiration,

Generation Rescue

January 28, 2010

 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.

 
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Dr. Wakefield, a highly respected gastroenterologist in the UK, was presented with the cases of these twelve children who had all regressed into autism and were all experiencing severe gut pain. He felt it was his duty to investigate the concerns of these parents and figure out what had happened to their children.
Duty or his pending financial interest in single and separate dose measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations?
It has taken twelve long years for the medical community to catch up with Dr. Wakefield's findings. Finally, just last month, in the American Academy of Pediatrics journal, Pediatrics, a landmark study was published with the finding that:"Gastrointestinal disorders and associated symptoms are commonly reported in individuals with ASDs [autism]."
That study made absolutely no comment about whether those GI disorders were in any way related to the MMR vaccination. Multiple studies have failed to show a connection here. And there's nothing in the Krigsman study (pointed to by McCarthy) that suggests or proves a link between the vaccination and GI disorders in autistic children.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield is perhaps this debate's greatest hero. He's a doctor who has held onto the truth, unbowed, through pressure that would break most mortals. Dr. Wakefield's influence in saving other children from the fate that befell so many children is incalculable.
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I am really glad Jenny McCarthy chimed in here.

After all, I was wondering how no-talent bimbos felt about matters of science and medicine.

 
So if its not the shots, then why the F are autism rates rising so much? link

While Jenny and Dr. Wakefield may be barking up the wrong tree, there is something we are doing to our kids that is causing this stuff to increase.

 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
 
It's shameful what this guy has done. He's completely deluded countless families into thinking that vaccinations are the root cause of their kids' autism. There's a special place in hell for a doctor like this, but honestly, people have to stop being so gullible and learn to look at the facts as they are. Clinging to this guy's perverted study isn't going to reverse the disease, nor is it going to save anyone. The only thing it does is misplace blame and endanger lives due to people not being vaccinated.

Plenty of blame to go around here, and Jenny McCarthy isn't helping.

 
So if its not the shots, then why the F are autism rates rising so much? link

While Jenny and Dr. Wakefield may be barking up the wrong tree, there is something we are doing to our kids that is causing this stuff to increase.
I'm no expert, but is it possible they're simply taking many symptoms not previously linked with autism and linking them now? I wonder how many of the kids we call "autistic" today are really in the "Rain Man" category? And is there a significant increase of these numbers over time? If there is then I agree with you there must be some reason for it.
 
So if its not the shots, then why the F are autism rates rising so much? link

While Jenny and Dr. Wakefield may be barking up the wrong tree, there is something we are doing to our kids that is causing this stuff to increase.
As parents started to freak out in California, the vaccination rates went down. So the autism rates should go down, too, right? Wrong. The autism rates went up. McCarthy isn't barking up the wrong tree. Far worse, she's using anecdotal evidence and half-truths to support the misguided theory that there's a link between vaccines and autism - despite hard studies that totally discredit her statements. McCarthy is misinformed and irresponsible.

 
So if its not the shots, then why the F are autism rates rising so much? link

While Jenny and Dr. Wakefield may be barking up the wrong tree, there is something we are doing to our kids that is causing this stuff to increase.
It's certainly possible (and probably likely) that there may be some yet unrecognized genetic or environmental reasons to explain some of the increase. Much of the increase is probably due to a combination of other non-causal factors -- better recognition by clinicians and families leading to better and earlier diagnosis, and a broader application of the term leading to more children being diagnosed, especially given the increased ability to intervene in toddler (developmental services) and school-aged children (educational plans).
 
It's shameful what this guy has done. He's completely deluded countless families into thinking that vaccinations are the root cause of their kids' autism. There's a special place in hell for a doctor like this, but honestly, people have to stop being so gullible and learn to look at the facts as they are. Clinging to this guy's perverted study isn't going to reverse the disease, nor is it going to save anyone. The only thing it does is misplace blame and endanger lives due to people not being vaccinated.Plenty of blame to go around here, and Jenny McCarthy isn't helping.
I thought about posting a link to this story on FB but remembered one of the guys I went to HS with has an autistic son and still blames it on vaccinations. I ran into him at the park about 10 years ago and he gave me the whole speech. I didn't have it in me to argue with him.
 
So if its not the shots, then why the F are autism rates rising so much? link

While Jenny and Dr. Wakefield may be barking up the wrong tree, there is something we are doing to our kids that is causing this stuff to increase.
It's certainly possible (and probably likely) that there may be some yet unrecognized genetic or environmental reasons to explain some of the increase. Much of the increase is probably due to a combination of other non-causal factors -- better recognition by clinicians and families leading to better and earlier diagnosis, and a broader application of the term leading to more children being diagnosed, especially given the increased ability to intervene in toddler (developmental services) and school-aged children (educational plans).
This is what I was referring to. My wife and I have a friend who's child is hyperactive, and they got a doctor who say that the kid is "mildly autistic". I don't see it- he's just a spaz. In my generation, he would have been given Ritalin, I'm sure. But by being called "autistic" he gets all kinds of special treatment from the public school under ADA laws.
 
It's shameful what this guy has done. He's completely deluded countless families into thinking that vaccinations are the root cause of their kids' autism. There's a special place in hell for a doctor like this, but honestly, people have to stop being so gullible and learn to look at the facts as they are. Clinging to this guy's perverted study isn't going to reverse the disease, nor is it going to save anyone. The only thing it does is misplace blame and endanger lives due to people not being vaccinated.Plenty of blame to go around here, and Jenny McCarthy isn't helping.
I thought about posting a link to this story on FB but remembered one of the guys I went to HS with has an autistic son and still blames it on vaccinations. I ran into him at the park about 10 years ago and he gave me the whole speech. I didn't have it in me to argue with him.
I liken this to religion. If someone goes on and on to me about God, Heaven, etc., I'm not going to bother telling him that I don't believe in that.
 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
Take one look at the sales pitches throughout her website and decide for yourself whether they may be something else going on.Continually railing on what they call poor studies and big pharma when the champions of GR are widely panned for their poor science and conflicts of interest.

Changing the debate from one component within a vaccination to another whenever it suits their purpose. First it's the MMR itself, then it's thimerosal, then it's the number of vaccinations, then it's some unnamed and unknown general toxicity.

GR's level of involvement in the case of the cheerleader with "dystonia," in which they directed the "injured patient" to one of their sham chelation specialists to promote their own agendas.

Those are just a few of the issues over time that call into question the motives of their group. I think all of the above suggest that she's being more than emotional and misguided.

 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
Take one look at the sales pitches throughout her website and decide for yourself whether they may be something else going on.Continually railing on what they call poor studies and big pharma when the champions of GR are widely panned for their poor science and conflicts of interest.

Changing the debate from one component within a vaccination to another whenever it suits their purpose. First it's the MMR itself, then it's thimerosal, then it's the number of vaccinations, then it's some unnamed and unknown general toxicity.

GR's level of involvement in the case of the cheerleader with "dystonia," in which they directed the "injured patient" to one of their sham chelation specialists to promote their own agendas.

Those are just a few of the issues over time that call into question the motives of their group. I think all of the above suggest that she's being more than emotional and misguided.
I'm sure she's magically cured by now, but has anyone confirmed this? I'd think the JennyMac camp would be ready to put her out on display.
 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
Take one look at the sales pitches throughout her website and decide for yourself whether they may be something else going on.Continually railing on what they call poor studies and big pharma when the champions of GR are widely panned for their poor science and conflicts of interest.

Changing the debate from one component within a vaccination to another whenever it suits their purpose. First it's the MMR itself, then it's thimerosal, then it's the number of vaccinations, then it's some unnamed and unknown general toxicity.

GR's level of involvement in the case of the cheerleader with "dystonia," in which they directed the "injured patient" to one of their sham chelation specialists to promote their own agendas.

Those are just a few of the issues over time that call into question the motives of their group. I think all of the above suggest that she's being more than emotional and misguided.
I'm sure she's magically cured by now, but has anyone confirmed this? I'd think the JennyMac camp would be ready to put her out on display.
She was "cured" almost immediately after the chelation infusion started. They definitely used her case to promote their stance, both before and after the "cure."I posted a few links to videos and reaction from those following the story closely at the end of the thread we had discussing that case.

 
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Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
Take one look at the sales pitches throughout her website and decide for yourself whether they may be something else going on.Continually railing on what they call poor studies and big pharma when the champions of GR are widely panned for their poor science and conflicts of interest.

Changing the debate from one component within a vaccination to another whenever it suits their purpose. First it's the MMR itself, then it's thimerosal, then it's the number of vaccinations, then it's some unnamed and unknown general toxicity.

GR's level of involvement in the case of the cheerleader with "dystonia," in which they directed the "injured patient" to one of their sham chelation specialists to promote their own agendas.

Those are just a few of the issues over time that call into question the motives of their group. I think all of the above suggest that she's being more than emotional and misguided.
I'm sure she's magically cured by now, but has anyone confirmed this? I'd think the JennyMac camp would be ready to put her out on display.
She was "cured" almost immediately after the chelation infusion started. They definitely used her case to promote their stance, both before and after the "cure."I posted a few links to videos and reaction from those following the story closely at the end of the thread we had discussing that case.
Unbelievable. Actually, no. Entirely believable.

 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
It's sure great for book sales.
 
Given Dr. Wakefield's connections to the pharmaceutical and vaccine industry, McCarthy's comments are infuriating and disingenuous -- as usual.

Here's a link to a very long and detailed breakdown of the history of Wakefield, including some excerpts from the GMC report.
Disingenous suggests she knows she's lying. My impression is that she is simply misguided, and responding emotionally to her own situation. Do you have reason to believe there is something else going on?
It's sure great for book sales.
I think she got locked on to an answer and refuses to budge, ignoring all the evidence. Putting her faith into one opinion is very dangerous.
 
McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
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Not sure why the :angry: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
 
McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
:confused:
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right about the vaccination link. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
 
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McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
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Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
He falsified data and he took money from lawyers who had a vesting interest in linking autism to vaccines.
 
McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
:confused:
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
He falsified data and he took money from lawyers who had a vesting interest in linking autism to vaccines.
Did the doctor tell her he falsified data?
 
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McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
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Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
Right. So why is McCarthy out there selling her baseless opinions on vaccines as fact?
 
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
He falsified data and he took money from lawyers who had a vesting interest in linking autism to vaccines.
Did the doctor tell her he falsified data?
Are you trying to make me prove that JM knew something?
 
McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
:confused:
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
Right. So why is McCarthy out there selling her baseless opinions on vaccines as fact?
I'm not going to play this game. He had a theory. She believed him. Many scientific breakthroughs have initially been rejected by the majority of the scientific community because of the community's bias. The fact that he turned out to be wrong doesn't make her a disgusting human being.
 
McCarthy is a disgusting human being. I've got nothing else to add.
:confused:
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right about the vaccination link. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
Hundreds of peer-reviewed articles showing no link between vaccinations or their components to autism is not "junk". The medical community isn't baffled in any way about that. Continuing to insist on the merits of a paper with a suspect sample size fraught with research errors in the context of a likely significant conflict of interest is the issue here. What's going on here is very much different than debating the merits of testing a hypothesis, while acknowledging some inherent "trial and error" by discussing concerns over limiting factors in your own research -- which is what happens in most respected scientific circles.
 
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
Right. So why is McCarthy out there selling her baseless opinions on vaccines as fact?
I'm not going to play this game. He had a theory. She believed him. Many scientific breakthroughs have initially been rejected by the majority of the scientific community because of the community's bias. The fact that he turned out to be wrong doesn't make her a disgusting human being.
What does it make her if his theory has been proven wrong and she continues to promote the theory? The "theory" was proven wrong many years ago and McCarthy has made excuses why the other studies are flawed, why court rulings don't mean anything, why people should continue to not vaccinate their children. At some point her disregard for the evidence on a topic where she claims to have some sort of knowledge base, and one where she's trying to become some sort of public spokesman for become disingenuous at best.

 
Not sure why the :confused: but...Jenny uses her celebrity to promote irresponsible junk science which is directly putting children at risk of death. It's a whole different story if she is out there telling people not to eat wheat germ because she thinks it contributes to sun spots - that's harmless. What she is doing now is not harmless.
It seems all science is junk on this issue. The guy had a theory. It appears he wasn't right. Even the article in the OP says the scientific community is baffled. Medicine is not math. There's lots of trial and error involved.
Right. So why is McCarthy out there selling her baseless opinions on vaccines as fact?
I'm not going to play this game. He had a theory. She believed him. Many scientific breakthroughs have initially been rejected by the majority of the scientific community because of the community's bias. The fact that he turned out to be wrong doesn't make her a disgusting human being.
But the Wakefield study was always questioned even before now. The results could not be replicated and the finding stood out like a sore thumb, when compared to other studies. The money trail from the lawyers is just ...convenient ?
 
Perhaps someone should link the previous topic here... It seems every time something new about this issue comes up we end up rehashing the entire argument, when its been done several times in the old many page thread...

 
Did the doctor tell her he falsified data?
Are you trying to make me prove that JM knew something?
Given the fact that the topic being discussed is JM's character and not the doctor's, I'd say yes.
How about the fact that before JM "knew" it was vaccines that caused her son's autism, she was equally convinced it was his crystal spirit combined with her indigo nature that caused his autism? She's a stripper who writes books about things she's woefully unqualified to write books about, and because she's got big boobs, she's granted an audience of millions of desperate people looking for some answer, any answer. Combine the facts that she's preying on these desperate people with the fact that her inanity is resulting in less and less people getting vaccinated, she's pretty much one of the ten to twenty most counter-productive non-politicians in the country right now. The amount of attention and resources she's helping to funnel away from science that could provide a breakthrough and towards illustrating for the 101rst time on another 10-100k kids that vaccination doesn't cause autism, is staggering.

 
But the Wakefield study was always questioned even before now. The results could not be replicated and the finding stood out like a sore thumb, when compared to other studies. The money trail from the lawyers is just ...convenient ?
Questioned does not mean disproved. The money from the lawyers does give it the appearance of bias. But again, the doctor's the expert, not her.
 
Perhaps someone should link the previous topic here... It seems every time something new about this issue comes up we end up rehashing the entire argument, when its been done several times in the old many page thread...
Linkety Linkety Link.
:unsure: Always willing to rehash. Too important not to for me.
Unfortunately, the decrease in number of quote boxes allowed has made chunks of that thread almost unreadable.
 
But the Wakefield study was always questioned even before now. The results could not be replicated and the finding stood out like a sore thumb, when compared to other studies. The money trail from the lawyers is just ...convenient ?
Questioned does not mean disproved. The money from the lawyers does give it the appearance of bias. But again, the doctor's the expert, not her.
In this case by all counts the Wakefield study was disproved within the established scientific community.
 
But the Wakefield study was always questioned even before now. The results could not be replicated and the finding stood out like a sore thumb, when compared to other studies. The money trail from the lawyers is just ...convenient ?
Questioned does not mean disproved. The money from the lawyers does give it the appearance of bias. But again, the doctor's the expert, not her.
In this case by all counts the Wakefield study was disproved within the established scientific community.
Fine. But I'd still go with your prior analysis of JM:
I think she got locked on to an answer and refuses to budge, ignoring all the evidence. Putting her faith into one opinion is very dangerous.
rather than saying she's a disgusting human being.
 

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