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***Official Jays Thread*** Lots of optimism, again. (1 Viewer)

Aviles and Gomes dealt for... another reliever of course. Esmil Rogers.

Snider, Thames, Farrell (basically), Gomes... all dealt for middle relief. This bullpen better go 2012 Orioles on the league next season...

Anyway, this moves saves the team about 2.5 million in salary this year (Aviles was due about 3M in arbitration) and likely means Lyon/Frasor walk, which frees up a few million more to hopefully throw at a starting pitcher, other than that basically a nothing move.

 
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'Northern Voice said:
Aviles and Gomes dealt for... another reliever of course. Esmil Rogers.Snider, Thames, Farrell (basically), Gomes... all dealt for middle relief. This bullpen better go 2012 Orioles on the league next season... Anyway, this moves saves the team about 2.5 million in salary this year (Aviles was due about 3M in arbitration) and likely means Lyon/Frasor walk, which frees up a few million more to hopefully throw at a starting pitcher, other than that basically a nothing move.
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Not that Aviles or Gomes are halfway good or anything, but trading two utility guys for someone with a career ERA of 5.95 seems kinda steep.
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Northern Voice said:
Aviles and Gomes dealt for... another reliever of course. Esmil Rogers.Snider, Thames, Farrell (basically), Gomes... all dealt for middle relief. This bullpen better go 2012 Orioles on the league next season... Anyway, this moves saves the team about 2.5 million in salary this year (Aviles was due about 3M in arbitration) and likely means Lyon/Frasor walk, which frees up a few million more to hopefully throw at a starting pitcher, other than that basically a nothing move.
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Not that Aviles or Gomes are halfway good or anything, but trading two utility guys for someone with a career ERA of 5.95 seems kinda steep.
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A lot of that ERA was earned pitching at Coors Field :shrug:ETA: Yan Gomes seemed like a pretty useful piece though
 
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Cesar Izturis signed for 3/$10ish. Not a bad deal. Gives them the option to get rid of Escobar if his value picks up a bit and/or wait on Hech a little while longer. At worst a decent utility guy ( :bye: McCoy)

Some stoner reliever bought from KC? Lots of big arms in a now crowded pen.

 
'Cliff Clavin said:
CesarMaicer Izturis signed for 3/$10ish. Not a bad deal. Gives them the option to get rid of Escobar if his value picks up a bit and/or wait on Hech a little while longer. At worst a decent utility guy ( :bye: McCoy)

Some stoner reliever bought from KC? Lots of big arms in a now crowded pen.
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If the Jays had spent $10 million on Caesar, they might as well have just folded the franchise.
 
Cesar made his MLB debut with the Jays in 2001. They traded him and Paul Quantrill for Luke Prokopec in a trade that couldn't have even made sense at the time.

 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
CesarMaicer Izturis signed for 3/$10ish. Not a bad deal. Gives them the option to get rid of Escobar if his value picks up a bit and/or wait on Hech a little while longer. At worst a decent utility guy ( :bye: McCoy)

Some stoner reliever bought from KC? Lots of big arms in a now crowded pen.
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If the Jays had spent $10 million on Caesar, they might as well have just folded the franchise.
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:thumbup:
 
I'm not crazy about a three-year contract for a 32 year old utilityman. If he can be their regular 2B, the money's not bad though.

Izturis is older than Kelly Johnson and Mike Aviles

 
'Eephus said:
Izturis is older than Kelly Johnson and Mike Aviles
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/11/08/blue_jays_have_payroll_flexibility_ahead/

The Izturis addition is a clever piece of business for the Blue Jays if you consider it a companion move to Saturday's trade of infielder Mike Aviles and catcher Yan Gomes to the Cleveland Indiansfor power-arm reliever Esmil Rogers.



While Izturis will likely end up costing about $1 million more than Aviles, as he is projected to make around $2 million as a second-year arbitration player, Anthopoulos managed to shave that difference off his payroll last week when he picked up Darren Oliver's option (saving $500,000 whether or not he plays) while declining that of Rajai Davis, who instead got a $500,000 buyout and re-signed for $2.5 million.

Davis still ends up with $3 million, which is what his option would have paid him, but $500,000 was transferred off the 2013 payroll to the '12 books in a nifty accounting trick.

In the process, the Blue Jays end up with a better defender and arguably a more rounded offensive player than Aviles in Izturis, while essentially turning Gomes into an affordable and controllable reliever who throws in the mid-90s in Rogers, a commodity that's becoming tougher and tougher to get.
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'Northern Voice said:
'Eephus said:
Izturis is older than Kelly Johnson and Mike Aviles
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/11/08/blue_jays_have_payroll_flexibility_ahead/

The Izturis addition is a clever piece of business for the Blue Jays if you consider it a companion move to Saturday's trade of infielder Mike Aviles and catcher Yan Gomes to the Cleveland Indiansfor power-arm reliever Esmil Rogers.



While Izturis will likely end up costing about $1 million more than Aviles, as he is projected to make around $2 million as a second-year arbitration player, Anthopoulos managed to shave that difference off his payroll last week when he picked up Darren Oliver's option (saving $500,000 whether or not he plays) while declining that of Rajai Davis, who instead got a $500,000 buyout and re-signed for $2.5 million.

Davis still ends up with $3 million, which is what his option would have paid him, but $500,000 was transferred off the 2013 payroll to the '12 books in a nifty accounting trick.

In the process, the Blue Jays end up with a better defender and arguably a more rounded offensive player than Aviles in Izturis, while essentially turning Gomes into an affordable and controllable reliever who throws in the mid-90s in Rogers, a commodity that's becoming tougher and tougher to get.
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all well and good if Izturis can handle an everyday role through his age 34 season. If he can't, it still won't break AA's bank.
 
'Eephus said:
'Northern Voice said:
'Eephus said:
Izturis is older than Kelly Johnson and Mike Aviles
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/11/08/blue_jays_have_payroll_flexibility_ahead/

The Izturis addition is a clever piece of business for the Blue Jays if you consider it a companion move to Saturday's trade of infielder Mike Aviles and catcher Yan Gomes to the Cleveland Indiansfor power-arm reliever Esmil Rogers.



While Izturis will likely end up costing about $1 million more than Aviles, as he is projected to make around $2 million as a second-year arbitration player, Anthopoulos managed to shave that difference off his payroll last week when he picked up Darren Oliver's option (saving $500,000 whether or not he plays) while declining that of Rajai Davis, who instead got a $500,000 buyout and re-signed for $2.5 million.

Davis still ends up with $3 million, which is what his option would have paid him, but $500,000 was transferred off the 2013 payroll to the '12 books in a nifty accounting trick.

In the process, the Blue Jays end up with a better defender and arguably a more rounded offensive player than Aviles in Izturis, while essentially turning Gomes into an affordable and controllable reliever who throws in the mid-90s in Rogers, a commodity that's becoming tougher and tougher to get.
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all well and good if Izturis can handle an everyday role through his age 34 season. If he can't, it still won't break AA's bank.
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He'll be sliding to the bench as soon as Hech is ready, provided that Escobar is still on the roster. Nothing wrong with a $3M switch hitting utility guy... is there?
 
JOSE REYES, JOSH JOHNSON, MARK BUERHLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This should put to bed any Rogers needs to get off their wallet talk for a good long time.

 
From twitter:

Blue Jays potential 1-4 (Reyes, Lawrie, Bautista, Edwin) all under team control until at least 2016... Big impact on AL East

 
So, Escobar, Hech, Alvarez, Nicolino and Jake Marisnick heading the other way, also rumoured to be a catcher - but not Travis d'Arnaud.

If AA keeps 2 of the Lansing 3 and d'Arnaud and pulls this off, I don't see how anyone can complain.

 
'Northern Voice said:
So, Escobar, Hech, Alvarez, Nicolino and Jake Marisnick heading the other way, also rumoured to be a catcher - but not Travis d'Arnaud.If AA keeps 2 of the Lansing 3 and d'Arnaud and pulls this off, I don't see how anyone can complain.
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MLBNetwork is not including Marisnick at this point.
 
I guess it's as good a time as any for Rogers and AA to go all in. The AL East is as wide open as it's been for the past two decades.

The trade seems to have put Cot's on tilt so I can't check the payroll implications but Reyes' contract is back loaded. The big money doesn't kick in for a couple of years.

 
'Eephus said:
I guess it's as good a time as any for Rogers and AA to go all in. The AL East is as wide open as it's been for the past two decades.The trade seems to have put Cot's on tilt so I can't check the payroll implications but Reyes' contract is back loaded. The big money doesn't kick in for a couple of years.
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They had said going into the offseason that the Jays if they signed FA's would likely be back loaded, because of the way the current payroll is structured or something like that.
 
Reyes is pretty cheap next year. His contract gets ugly in 2015-17 when he's owed $22M for his age 32-34 seasons. Maybe that'll be the going rate by then :shrug:

 
'letter_j said:
RW says Anthony DeSclafani and Jeff Mathis, along with Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jake Marisnick and Justin Nicolino.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3835/jeff-mathis
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Well, it's arguably a better haul than the Red Sox got for Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford.
 
'Balco said:
'Eephus said:
'letter_j said:
RW says Anthony DeSclafani and Jeff Mathis, along with Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jake Marisnick and Justin Nicolino.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3835/jeff-mathis
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Well, it's arguably a better haul than the Red Sox got for Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford.
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:goodposting: Some good prospects in there.
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Perhaps, but only 1 of them has played even one full season above A ball. Marlins are doomed for suckitude for a good half decade now at least, methinks.
 
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So...

SS-Reyes

3B-Lawrie

RF-Bautista

DH-EE

1B-Lind :X

CF-Rasmus

C-Buck/JPA

2B-Izturis/Bonifacio

LF-Davis/Bonifacio

Morrow

Johnson

Buerhle

Romero

Hutchinson

 
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'Doctor Detroit said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
So...SS-Reyes3B-LawrieRF-BautistaDH-EE1B-Lind :X CF-RasmusC-Buck/JPA2B-Izturis/BonifacioLF-Davis/BonifacioMorrowJohnsonBuerhleRomeroHutchinson
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If you don't have Bonerface playing every day, you're doing something wrong.
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2011 looks like an outlier year for Bonifacio. If that guy shows up in Toronto, he'll make his way into the every day lineup. Otherwise, he's an above average utilityman.
 
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