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No - the underground one.They were gonna make the zombies climb a ladder?Episode 4 showed that secret passage into the barn.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
No - the underground one.They were gonna make the zombies climb a ladder?Episode 4 showed that secret passage into the barn.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
In the comic there's a back door where someone would go bang on it and distract the zombies, making them all go to one side. Then they'd open the main door, shove in the new zombies, and close it up.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
SPOILER TAGS PLEASEIn the comic there's a back door where someone would go bang on it and distract the zombies, making them all go to one side. Then they'd open the main door, shove in the new zombies, and close it up.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
But that isn't what I said. Herchel's farm is a story line. They went to the farm in the comics after going to Atlanta, correct? Characters aren't the same as story lines. You know Lost and I am sure you remember how the producers talked about how they initially planned to kill Jack (when they approached Kurt Russell) and then someone else would have played the role Jack played. It doesn't mean that the smoke monster and the Others story lines would have changed. Juliet could have switched places with Kate and the show wouldn't have been that different in the overall story. Lots of episode changes, etc.Anything Sophia may have done later in the comics will be done by someone else and an alive Shane will take over things someone else did in the comic, but if the next big story line is going to Fort Benning (I don't know what is next), then I would bet they go to Fort Benning.I'm not sure we can count on that. I believe Shane died early in the comics and isn't Sophia still alive but Carol is dead? Seems like they're picking and choosing which elements of the comics they are using and even if they use something similar they often give it a twist. Because of that, I'm not bothered by comic spoilers. It can give us a possible idea of what might happen but I wouldn't necessarily view it as an actual precursor of what's going to come.I would bet the overall story lines, like Herchel's farm and Atlanta are going to be present. So any big story lines in the future will most likely be in the TV show.
She was in 6 of the 7 episodes, just not the first one.nope didnt see her in the first two episodes. epic fail scroogeThe one that's been a recurring character in all 6 episodes of season 2 of The Walking Dead, the Drama on AMC?is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.
Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.
Lauren Cohan
Yeah, her.
SPOILER TAGS PLEASEIn the comic there's a back door where someone would go bang on it and distract the zombies, making them all go to one side. Then they'd open the main door, shove in the new zombies, and close it up.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
Sophia is a zombienope didnt see her in the first two episodes. epic fail scroogeThe one that's been a recurring character in all 6 episodes of season 2 of The Walking Dead, the Drama on AMC?is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.
Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.
Lauren Cohan
Yeah, her.
She was in 6 of the 7 episodes, just not the first one.nope didnt see her in the first two episodes. epic fail scroogeThe one that's been a recurring character in all 6 episodes of season 2 of The Walking Dead, the Drama on AMC?is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.
Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.
Lauren Cohan
Yeah, her.
Either way, you're right. that was pretty epic.
I see that but everything I've read/heard is that the series and comics have a lot of differences - even when settings (such as the farm) are the same. Just saying for myself that it doesn't bother me if people talk about what's happened in the comics because it's been pretty apparent from the outset the TV series is going to venture in different and original areas. But I understand if people want the comic info posted with spoiler tags. I'm cool with it either way.But that isn't what I said. Herchel's farm is a story line. They went to the farm in the comics after going to Atlanta, correct? Characters aren't the same as story lines. You know Lost and I am sure you remember how the producers talked about how they initially planned to kill Jack (when they approached Kurt Russell) and then someone else would have played the role Jack played. It doesn't mean that the smoke monster and the Others story lines would have changed. Juliet could have switched places with Kate and the show wouldn't have been that different in the overall story. Lots of episode changes, etc.Anything Sophia may have done later in the comics will be done by someone else and an alive Shane will take over things someone else did in the comic, but if the next big story line is going to Fort Benning (I don't know what is next), then I would bet they go to Fort Benning.I'm not sure we can count on that. I believe Shane died early in the comics and isn't Sophia still alive but Carol is dead? Seems like they're picking and choosing which elements of the comics they are using and even if they use something similar they often give it a twist. Because of that, I'm not bothered by comic spoilers. It can give us a possible idea of what might happen but I wouldn't necessarily view it as an actual precursor of what's going to come.I would bet the overall story lines, like Herchel's farm and Atlanta are going to be present. So any big story lines in the future will most likely be in the TV show.
Exactly how I feel and what was trying to get at.ETA: I will continue to read the comic spoiler tags, and I am one of those people who almost ALWAYS hates knowing what will happen.I see that but everything I've read/heard is that the series and comics have a lot of differences - even when settings (such as the farm) are the same. Just saying for myself that it doesn't bother me if people talk about what's happened in the comics because it's been pretty apparent from the outset the TV series is going to venture in different and original areas. But I understand if people want the comic info posted with spoiler tags. I'm cool with it either way.But that isn't what I said. Herchel's farm is a story line. They went to the farm in the comics after going to Atlanta, correct? Characters aren't the same as story lines. You know Lost and I am sure you remember how the producers talked about how they initially planned to kill Jack (when they approached Kurt Russell) and then someone else would have played the role Jack played. It doesn't mean that the smoke monster and the Others story lines would have changed. Juliet could have switched places with Kate and the show wouldn't have been that different in the overall story. Lots of episode changes, etc.Anything Sophia may have done later in the comics will be done by someone else and an alive Shane will take over things someone else did in the comic, but if the next big story line is going to Fort Benning (I don't know what is next), then I would bet they go to Fort Benning.I'm not sure we can count on that. I believe Shane died early in the comics and isn't Sophia still alive but Carol is dead? Seems like they're picking and choosing which elements of the comics they are using and even if they use something similar they often give it a twist. Because of that, I'm not bothered by comic spoilers. It can give us a possible idea of what might happen but I wouldn't necessarily view it as an actual precursor of what's going to come.I would bet the overall story lines, like Herchel's farm and Atlanta are going to be present. So any big story lines in the future will most likely be in the TV show.
Sophia is a zombienope didnt see her in the first two episodes. epic fail scroogeThe one that's been a recurring character in all 6 episodes of season 2 of The Walking Dead, the Drama on AMC?is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.
Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.
Lauren Cohan
Yeah, her.
Pretty sure that zombie is out of the bag.This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
I don't think they are going to be putting any zombies in the barn now, so why would that matter?This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
I was wondering the same thing as they led them to itHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
LOL, I wasn't even thinking about that. Duh, massacre, zombies in the barn can't escape anymore. I just remember the previews looking like zombies attacked and just thought about someone standing in front of the secret door and getting snagged and feeling like I knew it was going to happen. You are correct, I am an idiot and it doesn't matter anymore.I don't think they are going to be putting any zombies in the barn now, so why would that matter?This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
I agree although I do like how Andrea's character is developing (part of that is me liking Laurie Holden from her "X-Files" days). I like the Rick/Shane stuff a lot although I do wonder how much of a shelf life it has. Maybe Kirkman saw that when he was first writing the comics too. As far as Daryl, his character has grown by leaps and bounds and he's become infinitely more interesting this season. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get off'd for that very reason. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him get killed just when he's starting to really evolve as a person - especially if he and Carol start making sweet post-zombie apocalypse your daughter is dead but you do have me love.I think Shane is one of the stronger characters (both the actor and the character), so killing him off anytime soon would be bad for the show, unless they find one or two others along the way that could hold one's interest. Same with Daryl. Anyone else is zombie food (except Rick of course).
Dude, which show are you watching?No - the underground one.They were gonna make the zombies climb a ladder?Episode 4 showed that secret passage into the barn.How were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
What the hell are you talking about? This already happened in the show. There are no more Zombies in the barn. How they normally got them IN there is no longer a spoiler.This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
There's still no shortage of zombies.LOL, I wasn't even thinking about that. Duh, massacre, zombies in the barn can't escape anymore. I just remember the previews looking like zombies attacked and just thought about someone standing in front of the secret door and getting snagged and feeling like I knew it was going to happen. You are correct, I am an idiot and it doesn't matter anymore.I don't think they are going to be putting any zombies in the barn now, so why would that matter?This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
See my post above. Brain fart by me.What the hell are you talking about? This already happened in the show. There are no more Zombies in the barn. How they normally got them IN there is no longer a spoiler.This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
Ah, gotcha, sorry. No worries then!See my post above. Brain fart by me.What the hell are you talking about? This already happened in the show. There are no more Zombies in the barn. How they normally got them IN there is no longer a spoiler.This is why knowing about the comics is something for spoiler tags. What if this is the way for the zombies to get out? I want to be surprised. If something happens in the comics that would have already happened and they did something different, then fine, but I don't want to know what may happen.SPOILER TAGS PLEASE--Removed for othersHow were they planning on getting the zombies INTO the barn?
I thnk Hershel should have turned the barn into some sort zombie petting zoo.
I thnk Hershel should have turned the barn into some sort zombie petting zoo.
I thnk Hershel should have turned the barn into some sort zombie petting zoo.
Probably not, but you still take a reasonable amount of time to try and confirm that. Especially when the search involves living at such a safe place. If she got lost in downtown Atlanta, that'd be one thing. But she pretty much got lost in the opposite sort of place.Please. No way a girl her age was surviving alone in the Fire Swamp.The entire notion of giving up the search and being in such a hurry to go wandering out into the apocalypse is every bit as dumb as hiding the guns in a swamp.
I think Daryl is the future. He's almost literaly the halfway point between Shane and Rick. Although Rick stepped up to be the leader, I can see that being passed to Daryl as he eventually works his way up the group ladder. He's smart, tough, realistic and detached enough to be pragmatic about a number of things while still developing a side that values the moral well being of the group over the empirically self preservationist ethos of Dark Shane. I can see it coming down to, much like Shane and Sophia, Rick needing to and being in a position to put Shane down but can't and Daryl makes that hard choice. I really thought it was going to come down to Daryl choosing the group over a reappearing Merle, but that choice seems to be have passed. Daryl, IMO is the key to the group's survival as a moral group. Second choice to put down Shane is Andrea, who in essence will choose between Dale and Shane.I agree although I do like how Andrea's character is developing (part of that is me liking Laurie Holden from her "X-Files" days). I like the Rick/Shane stuff a lot although I do wonder how much of a shelf life it has. Maybe Kirkman saw that when he was first writing the comics too. As far as Daryl, his character has grown by leaps and bounds and he's become infinitely more interesting this season. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get off'd for that very reason. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him get killed just when he's starting to really evolve as a person - especially if he and Carol start making sweet post-zombie apocalypse your daughter is dead but you do have me love.I think Shane is one of the stronger characters (both the actor and the character), so killing him off anytime soon would be bad for the show, unless they find one or two others along the way that could hold one's interest. Same with Daryl. Anyone else is zombie food (except Rick of course).
I can see that and it fits with what I said earlier about Rick and Shane being extreme view points and Daryl being more in the middle of the two. He has gravitated toward both at various times and it may be that middle ground which is ultimately the best course of action. One of the best themes in my opinion of this season has been about Daryl's evolution into being more of a pivotal figure within the group. Carol's comment to him about him being as good a man as Rick wasn't just a pleasantry. I think it struck at the core of what we're seeing with Daryl's character so far this season.I think Daryl is the future. He's almost literaly the halfway point between Shane and Rick. Although Rick stepped up to be the leader, I can see that being passed to Daryl as he eventually works his way up the group ladder. He's smart, tough, realistic and detached enough to be pragmatic about a number of things while still developing a side that values the moral well being of the group over the empirically self preservationist ethos of Dark Shane. I can see it coming down to, much like Shane and Sophia, Rick needing to and being in a position to put Shane down but can't and Daryl makes that hard choice. I really thought it was going to come down to Daryl choosing the group over a reappearing Merle, but that choice seems to be have passed. Daryl, IMO is the key to the group's survival as a moral group. Second choice to put down Shane is Andrea, who in essence will choose between Dale and Shane.I agree although I do like how Andrea's character is developing (part of that is me liking Laurie Holden from her "X-Files" days). I like the Rick/Shane stuff a lot although I do wonder how much of a shelf life it has. Maybe Kirkman saw that when he was first writing the comics too. As far as Daryl, his character has grown by leaps and bounds and he's become infinitely more interesting this season. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get off'd for that very reason. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him get killed just when he's starting to really evolve as a person - especially if he and Carol start making sweet post-zombie apocalypse your daughter is dead but you do have me love.I think Shane is one of the stronger characters (both the actor and the character), so killing him off anytime soon would be bad for the show, unless they find one or two others along the way that could hold one's interest. Same with Daryl. Anyone else is zombie food (except Rick of course).
I watched it again tonight. What an outstanding episode. The final scene was about as perfect as you could get.
Did Shane do this? I must've missed that episode.Short sighted approach. Your allies in the "Shane camp" will be the last ones you can trust. Better to align oneself with people who won't put a bullet in your back because of a simple disagreement.At the end of the day, when the zombie apocalypse comes, me and everyone else in the Shane camp will survive and the rest of you will die. We will impregnate your wives and your families, shave our heads, beat up wife abusers, nail the blonde just to piss off the old man, your sons will come to us for advice, and we will shoot you in your legs and leave you for zombie bait. Bottom line.
@ "being in such a hurry." They spent practically the entire season on that farm.Your "just because Shane was right doesn't mean I'm willing to admit that he was right" point [paraphrased] is also very interesting logic.I get that everyone seems to have come around on Shane. That's fine.However, just because the girl was in the barn doesn't mean Shane was right to want to give up the search and leave. Searching for the girl was the right thing to do. Searching for her was more or less the same level of danger as travelling to Fort Benning. Probably much less so. The only "danger" from the woods came from living humans doing stupid things with guns.No zombie packs in the woods around the farm. Daryl got attacked, but still he was by himself and survived. That's not possible in the places they've been.Hell, they were shooting guns for fun with no fear of it attracting a pack of zombies. Again, not possible anywhere else they were going.Had Otis not put the girl in the barn, they certainly would've found her. Nobody (except Herschel and Family) could've known that. That hindsight doesn't mean looking for her wasn't the right thing to do.The entire notion of giving up the search and being in such a hurry to go wandering out into the apocalypse is every bit as dumb as hiding the guns in a swamp.
You mean Rick and Daryl?Rick is also a midpoint between Shane and Herschel. It would probably go more like:ShaneDarylRickHerschelShane and Daryl are both the middle ground thus far.
The writers have done a great job moving his character from a more stereotyped/ one note to where he is now. Lori's me-me-me-me character is another story altogether.I can see that and it fits with what I said earlier about Rick and Shane being extreme view points and Daryl being more in the middle of the two. He has gravitated toward both at various times and it may be that middle ground which is ultimately the best course of action. One of the best themes in my opinion of this season has been about Daryl's evolution into being more of a pivotal figure within the group. Carol's comment to him about him being as good a man as Rick wasn't just a pleasantry. I think it struck at the core of what we're seeing with Daryl's character so far this season.I think Daryl is the future. He's almost literaly the halfway point between Shane and Rick. Although Rick stepped up to be the leader, I can see that being passed to Daryl as he eventually works his way up the group ladder. He's smart, tough, realistic and detached enough to be pragmatic about a number of things while still developing a side that values the moral well being of the group over the empirically self preservationist ethos of Dark Shane. I can see it coming down to, much like Shane and Sophia, Rick needing to and being in a position to put Shane down but can't and Daryl makes that hard choice. I really thought it was going to come down to Daryl choosing the group over a reappearing Merle, but that choice seems to be have passed. Daryl, IMO is the key to the group's survival as a moral group. Second choice to put down Shane is Andrea, who in essence will choose between Dale and Shane.I agree although I do like how Andrea's character is developing (part of that is me liking Laurie Holden from her "X-Files" days). I like the Rick/Shane stuff a lot although I do wonder how much of a shelf life it has. Maybe Kirkman saw that when he was first writing the comics too. As far as Daryl, his character has grown by leaps and bounds and he's become infinitely more interesting this season. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get off'd for that very reason. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him get killed just when he's starting to really evolve as a person - especially if he and Carol start making sweet post-zombie apocalypse your daughter is dead but you do have me love.I think Shane is one of the stronger characters (both the actor and the character), so killing him off anytime soon would be bad for the show, unless they find one or two others along the way that could hold one's interest. Same with Daryl. Anyone else is zombie food (except Rick of course).
How long did they look? A week?Shane's decision turned out to look correct because a critical and wild-card piece of information was missing. If zombie Sophia was roaming the woods or still stuck in the marsh, it's reasonable to assume they would've found her and been done with the search long ago.I'm not denying Shane's reasoning isn't good or important for some things, but desire to give up the search and leave the farm after a week or 2 was dumb.He kept mentioning the danger of the search, but searching for Sophia and living at the farm was, by far, the safest thing they could be doing in the short-term.I think the excitement of the final scene clouds the fact that Shane spent the whole season lobbying to do something really stupid.@ "being in such a hurry." They spent practically the entire season on that farm.Your "just because Shane was right doesn't mean I'm willing to admit that he was right" point [paraphrased] is also very interesting logic.I get that everyone seems to have come around on Shane. That's fine.However, just because the girl was in the barn doesn't mean Shane was right to want to give up the search and leave. Searching for the girl was the right thing to do. Searching for her was more or less the same level of danger as travelling to Fort Benning. Probably much less so. The only "danger" from the woods came from living humans doing stupid things with guns.No zombie packs in the woods around the farm. Daryl got attacked, but still he was by himself and survived. That's not possible in the places they've been.Hell, they were shooting guns for fun with no fear of it attracting a pack of zombies. Again, not possible anywhere else they were going.Had Otis not put the girl in the barn, they certainly would've found her. Nobody (except Herschel and Family) could've known that. That hindsight doesn't mean looking for her wasn't the right thing to do.The entire notion of giving up the search and being in such a hurry to go wandering out into the apocalypse is every bit as dumb as hiding the guns in a swamp.
Yup. Norman Reedus has done really good work as an actor this season too.The writers have done a great job moving his character from a more stereotyped/ one note to where he is now.I can see that and it fits with what I said earlier about Rick and Shane being extreme view points and Daryl being more in the middle of the two. He has gravitated toward both at various times and it may be that middle ground which is ultimately the best course of action. One of the best themes in my opinion of this season has been about Daryl's evolution into being more of a pivotal figure within the group. Carol's comment to him about him being as good a man as Rick wasn't just a pleasantry. I think it struck at the core of what we're seeing with Daryl's character so far this season.I think Daryl is the future. He's almost literaly the halfway point between Shane and Rick. Although Rick stepped up to be the leader, I can see that being passed to Daryl as he eventually works his way up the group ladder. He's smart, tough, realistic and detached enough to be pragmatic about a number of things while still developing a side that values the moral well being of the group over the empirically self preservationist ethos of Dark Shane. I can see it coming down to, much like Shane and Sophia, Rick needing to and being in a position to put Shane down but can't and Daryl makes that hard choice. I really thought it was going to come down to Daryl choosing the group over a reappearing Merle, but that choice seems to be have passed. Daryl, IMO is the key to the group's survival as a moral group. Second choice to put down Shane is Andrea, who in essence will choose between Dale and Shane.I agree although I do like how Andrea's character is developing (part of that is me liking Laurie Holden from her "X-Files" days). I like the Rick/Shane stuff a lot although I do wonder how much of a shelf life it has. Maybe Kirkman saw that when he was first writing the comics too. As far as Daryl, his character has grown by leaps and bounds and he's become infinitely more interesting this season. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get off'd for that very reason. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him get killed just when he's starting to really evolve as a person - especially if he and Carol start making sweet post-zombie apocalypse your daughter is dead but you do have me love.I think Shane is one of the stronger characters (both the actor and the character), so killing him off anytime soon would be bad for the show, unless they find one or two others along the way that could hold one's interest. Same with Daryl. Anyone else is zombie food (except Rick of course).
I didn't think it was obvious, but certainly possible. I wasn't sure if Merle might not be in there too. Either way, I'm just glad they closed out the Sophia storyline.Was pretty obvious she was in there.Gotta say i didnt expect to see sophia in the barn.
Last scene was great.
Dale is REALLY starting to annoy me.
Maggie = even hotter now!- Farmer Girl was said when everyone in the barn got killed, but you could see when she gave the gun to Shorty, she understands now. the people that they knew are gone. curious to see how Herschel feels now.
I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group.
Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.
wayyyyy too late for dibs, GB...get in line!Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.
Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.
Lauren Cohan
Pretty sure the first episode in Feb will deal with how the baby is really Dale's as per the comics
the horses could navigate through the swamp (whereas the walkers could not without getting stuck), no?Concerning the horse, I always got the sense that the farm, while isolated isn't completely enclosed.
Agree (although I didn't look at the spoiler tag).Move that into another thread if you don't want to spoiler tag everything. Lots of us watch the show without wanting to know what is upcoming per the comics. I don't even watch the previews for the next episode.How do you figure? They've gone away from the comics in a LOT of ways, but if you didn't read them and had read some of the spoilers this season, much of the mystery of Herschel's farm would have been ruined.The spoiler tags regarding the comics probably aren't even neccessary at this point. In fact, it might provoke further discussion of the show in relation to the comics without them. Either way is fine though imo. I can see why people wouldn't want to know what happens in the comics regarding future happenings in the show, but that has pretty much proved pointless thus far.And if they do anything with the prison/Governor/Michonne/etc. that would be ruined as well, talking about it.
Yep.You mean Rick and Daryl?Rick is also a midpoint between Shane and Herschel. It would probably go more like:ShaneDarylRickHerschelShane and Daryl are both the middle ground thus far.
On the Talking Dead Kirkman explained that Herschel didn't know Sophia was in the barn because Otis put her in but was killed by Shane before they started talking about Sophia being lost.I'm not sure I believe that. How could he keep them from looking for her without compromising the secret of what's in the barn? Them being distracted with looking for her (which they really didn't seem to do very much) would be the best way to keep them from discovering what's in there. Of course, so would having them camp somewhere else on a huge farm farther away from the barn, and not wheelbarrowing sacks of crippled chickens in broad daylight. I don't see how, once he operated on Carl, he could've kicked them out before Carl was well enough to travel and all this seemed to happen on the first day or two that Carl was out of bed and he'd already given them the ultimatum that they had to leave, which covers them not staying until she was found. Of course, Carl goes from bed ridden to target practice in a day just like T-Bone's miraculous recovery from a near septic infection.As far as the point above about not reading too much into Shane not taking out Sophia, that's couldn't be more wrong. It was the entire point of the episode and half-season: who is the leader of their group and by proxy, if Shane will continue to be in it.I'm arguing that there is no way Herschel would have let them keep looking for her if he knew she was in the barn. He doesn't want them there (which they are going to be for as long as they are looking for her) and he doesn't want them to find the barn. IF he knew, he would have had to try to get her out of there, and have the group find her. I'm just saying he wouldn't have left her in there, knowing that they would stay until she was found.Are your points arguments that Hershel didn't know she was in the barn or are you arguing that the others (especially Shane) wouldn't be ticked off that he knew and didn't tell them?Being that:a) Herschel didn't want them there in the first placeBest episode to date. Seems the show is getting better as it goes along. I fall in the "surprised about Sophie" crew. It will make a nice story line for the next episode. Did Hershel know she was in there. If so, I can see Shane being awefully pissed off that the old man knew it and still let the others go out searching for Sophie and risking their lives.
I don't read too much in Shane not taking out Sophie. To me Sophie didn't look too bad. She was easily recogniseable and wasn't chewed up at all. It looks like they just took a step back seeing her and she sure as hell didn't appear to eager to get lunch. I mean, I've seen zombies with no legs move faster than her.
b) He would have loved for them to move on up the road, and
c) He didn't want them to know that there were Walkers in the barn to begin with;
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that that theory is off the mark.