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Very obvious attempt by the writers to show a distinction to Rick's leadership style and others.He was just a kid trying to survive... following the group he was with... shooting at people who just killed two of his group-mates.I'm not going to get eaten trying to save him, but I might give it a shot if it's possible.
I'm assuming the difference is it's still a working farm. One that has been abandoned isn't going to have chickens providing eggs, cows providing milk, vegetables growing, etc. Not to mention having people who know how to farm.If you're a group from Philly, finding a deserted farm isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. Latching on to an existing, sustainable one is a different story...
We sometimes forget that they are still ostensibly in full-on survival mode, which probably requires keeping other groups at a distance and which may even justify some of the moronic actions of moron Shane. But it's fun and easy to speculate on future politics and diplomacy, which is always the most interesting part of any apocalyptic novel. I think the smart thing is to gradually open up contacts with other survivors to pool security measures and skills. One group may have a doctor, another a skilled electrician. Both groups get stronger with an alliance or merger. In Lucifer's Hammer, a key character was Harry the Mailman, who carved out a niche as a roving messenger, earning his keep by traveling from group to group to bring news and serve as intermediary for negotiations. In World War Z, only a centralization of survivors was able to stem and eventually turn the tide against the hordes of zekes. That all seems pretty reasonable, or as reasonable as any tale of the apocalypse can get.
I probably couldn't disagree more with this critic. He writes it as if he's never read the comics. As if he doesn't understand the baseline for the whole story. I'd go into more detail, but it would be full of spoilers.
I would guess 99% of the people who watch the show have never, or never will, read the comic. The review is a review of the TV show, not the comic.
I'm with ya Worm...we'll save the kid.He was just a kid trying to survive... following the group he was with... shooting at people who just killed two of his group-mates.
hmmm.. Maybe it's a good thing I haven't started reading the Comic books yet
I look forward to each week's episode and Love the show. One of the few shows on T.V. right now that I consider "Must see" 
the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
I just started reading the graphic novels and i love them, but i also think that the tv show has added some twists that arent in the books that i love...like shooting the little zombie girl that was holding the stuffed animal at the very begining at the gas station and the girl coming out of the barn...those 2 scenes stayed with me for days. So i like both the books and tv show equally for different reasons.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
To me the image of Sophia coming out of the barn was far superseded by the agonizingly slow way they kept searching for her during the entire first half of the season.I just started reading the graphic novels and i love them, but i also think that the tv show has added some twists that arent in the books that i love...like shooting the little zombie girl that was holding the stuffed animal at the very begining at the gas station and the girl coming out of the barn...those 2 scenes stayed with me for days. So i like both the books and tv show equally for different reasons.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
Anytime a child goes missing(real life) people never stop looking , even when its been so long they pretty much know the child is dead, but they need closure and we almost had to wait the whole 6 episodes to finally have closure. To get the true sense of loss you have to feel the hope slipping away every week, then to have the whole thing end like THAT was masterful writing. I mean what was the harm of having the missing child as a focal point while other story lines are developing as well, was it so distracting that you changed the channel? No...you wanted to know the outcome and the payoff was worth the wait IMOTo me the image of Sophia coming out of the barn was far superseded by the agonizingly slow way they kept searching for her during the entire first half of the season.I just started reading the graphic novels and i love them, but i also think that the tv show has added some twists that arent in the books that i love...like shooting the little zombie girl that was holding the stuffed animal at the very begining at the gas station and the girl coming out of the barn...those 2 scenes stayed with me for days. So i like both the books and tv show equally for different reasons.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
That was close. I am currently reading Lucifer's Hammer and just got to the part where Harry is still delivering mail and getting shot at right after impact. Saw those words and had to stop reading! Luckily I didn't read any spoilers.
Totally understand that, but having read the comics, this writer will be nothing but disappointed from here on out. This isn't a show about zombies. It's a show about humans in an extreme situation. I can't say much more, but his complaints go to the very heart of the comics. And how the story plays out.
Really? You've never heard of the Zombie Survival Guide? Same author that wrote World War Z that has been mentioned a few times in this thread. It was on the NYT bestseller list. Actually, reading the Wiki page, it looks like World War Z (the movie) is coming in December and Zombie Survival Guide is slated for 2014, both with Brad Pitt starring.Not only that.....but you have to wonder if there's a kind of stereotype to who would survive a zombie apocalypse. I have to imagine that most families wouldn't. Most of your soldiers and officers of the law would probably bite it. I'd imagine there'd be a disproportionate number loners and kind of antisocial types.
I'd like to hear your reasoning for your last two sentences.
Although I enjoy them both, I have the opposite problem with the comic book - a lot of stuff happening but the conversation is rather shallow. That's primarily an issue with the medium (how many words in an average WD issue?). Yes, the conversation is laughable at times on the show but there are lines in the comic book that are ridiculous as well.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
Unless of course Shane is your leader.Anytime a child goes missing(real life) people never stop looking , even when its been so long they pretty much know the child is dead, but they need closure and we almost had to wait the whole 6 episodes to finally have closure. To get the true sense of loss you have to feel the hope slipping away every week, then to have the whole thing end like THAT was masterful writing. I mean what was the harm of having the missing child as a focal point while other story lines are developing as well, was it so distracting that you changed the channel? No...you wanted to know the outcome and the payoff was worth the wait IMOTo me the image of Sophia coming out of the barn was far superseded by the agonizingly slow way they kept searching for her during the entire first half of the season.I just started reading the graphic novels and i love them, but i also think that the tv show has added some twists that arent in the books that i love...like shooting the little zombie girl that was holding the stuffed animal at the very begining at the gas station and the girl coming out of the barn...those 2 scenes stayed with me for days. So i like both the books and tv show equally for different reasons.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
Plus I don't know of any warehouses that stock lady parts.
I'm going to take a wild guess that he'll become more involved when there's another black character on the show.He could be a very interesting character, too. I always wonder where he's hiding. He's barely on camera any, and no one seems to care. :eatenbyzombie:seriously, that guy has pretty much no value on this show. you have to feel for him a bit landing a role on a successful show, but they could put up a cardboard cut out in the background of T-dog and no one would no the difference. his time should be coming soon
I shave my head and employ this move when someone's hassling me.
exactlyVery obvious attempt by the writers to show a distinction to Rick's leadership style and others.He was just a kid trying to survive... following the group he was with... shooting at people who just killed two of his group-mates.
That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
I'm downloading it now.
I'm with you on that one. The first half was dreadful and could've been combined into 2 episodes. I almost quit watching, completely.To me the image of Sophia coming out of the barn was far superseded by the agonizingly slow way they kept searching for her during the entire first half of the season.I just started reading the graphic novels and i love them, but i also think that the tv show has added some twists that arent in the books that i love...like shooting the little zombie girl that was holding the stuffed animal at the very begining at the gas station and the girl coming out of the barn...those 2 scenes stayed with me for days. So i like both the books and tv show equally for different reasons.Ha! I guess I struggle to understand why the show is so successful (even though I'm glad to see it). I feel like it's unbelievably poorly paced.the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
Soldiers and law enforcement would be a line of defense in a zombie apocalypse. If the apocalypse were to happen, that means that that line would have failed. There would be survivors amongst their numbers of course, but for the most part there wouldn't be cohesive units that were capable of sustaining any type of order.For the second part, relationships, particularly the close ones of family, can be a real weakness in regards to the survival of oneself and I imagine that for most people...that bond is stronger than the will to survive. I don't think alot of people would commit suicide if one of their loved ones fell victim to the zombie plague (although I imagine some would).....but I think a lot of people would die defending their loved ones when they could have just run off and lived......IIRC, that was a point that was kind of brought up later in comic book.
You know you are a good actor when you see 1:41 coming at you and you aren't just laughing your ### off.That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
That's reasonable logic. Though I tend to think that anyone would be better off who had someone else helping to watch their back and military personnel and law enforcement are better than most at watching each other's backs. Everybody has to sleep, everybody who's still alive, that is.
That movie is amazing. I watched it last week on Netflix. Recommended for fans of The Evil Dead.That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
Right...and in all, or most of these accounts of Apocalypse scenarios....we're only shown the ####ty ones...because those are the most action oriented and they put the protagonist through the most ####. They give us glimpses of successful niches of reasonable people striving for a common goal (Tom Petty's Dam Town in The Postman, the atolls early in Waterworld, Boulder, Co. in The Stand, Bill Murray's home in Zombieland, Commerica Park and Ford Field in World War Z)...but for the most part, we want to see the crap.
But you also have to figure that there are those who would see the titles and roles of U.S. Soldier and Police Man on other people as a symbol of an archaic law.....that might or might not prevent them from fulfilling their own brand of morality. That's what was central to The Postman (IMO, a very underrated view of the whole Apocalypse thing).
Another view of the breakdown in military discipline was displayed in 28 Days Later, where the army compound quickly adopted slavery and rape as valid tools of survival. Still, there's probably no generalization one could really make beyond some people will look after each other (even if it's mostly in self-interest) and others will exploit the situation and/or sacrifice anyone else in order to survive.I liked the Postman, too.
Jaws wasn't.'BustedKnuckles said:the book is ALWAYS better than the movie
How do we know this?? Has it been stated somewhere?
