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***OFFICIAL OKLAHOMA SOONERS FOOTBALL - SEC 12 - 0 *** (1 Viewer)
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Yeah, that. Don't forget that OU shouldn't be as good as they are. Texas and A&M have first crack at the Texas players, OSU has Pickens money and is real competition for the Oklahoma players... there really isn't any reason that OU should be this successful. Stoops has us a favorite for the Big 12 title and a contender for the national title pretty much every season.
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Footballguy
Well the score today pretty much speaks for itself.
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Doctor Detroit
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No. Just need a three-way tie with us and K-State and have the higher BCS ranking.
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Footballguy
Only way that could happen would be with Tech as the third team, seems pretty unlikely.
Doctor Detroit
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Still possible isn't it? K-State has a lot of tough games left, so do we. Big 12 is pretty tough top to bottom this year. I can see a logjam with a bunch of teams with two losses at this point.
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I think multiple teams tied at two losses is infinitely more likely than us finishing in a three-way tie without kstate losing twice, which was the original question. Tech is not going to win out, not even close.
Instinctive
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That game was so much fun. Holy crap. Had seats right on the field, at the endzone. So awesome that OU gets the tunnel side of the field.Here's the thing: If one loss KState and one loss OU are tied for the Big 12 Title...who has the higher BCS ranking? Does one loss OU go to the National Championship over one loss KState, even though KState would be the Big 12 champs?
That loss was 100% on the coaches. Granted, ND was a hell of a lot better than I thought. But the OU players were good enough to win that one. ND had a better game plan. You cannot win big boy football without a running game. And OU didn't even try to establish the run. 
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Bull#### they didn't try. They tried too much. We're there, constantly seeing us drive down the field throwing the ball, and then we start handing it off for 2 ####### yards at a time, kill a drive just before we get into field goal range (more than once) and punt. ND had no pass defense, and they bit HARD on play action even when we weren't running it that first drive. We went away from what worked.I agree - 100% on the coaches. No offensive creativity, no defensive creativity, ####ty playcalling....maybe just once or twice a game our DLine could try to stunt? ANYTHING to get some semblance of pressure on an opposing QB once in a while...#### - we may as well put Bell in now with the young receivers and get live-game practice for next season. I've only got one, MAYBE two years of cheap season tickets left...I want a flippin title.
Rushing once, not liking the result and then passing the next six downs isn't trying to establishing the run.Bull#### they didn't try. They tried too much. We're there, constantly seeing us drive down the field throwing the ball, and then we start handing it off for 2 ####### yards at a time, kill a drive just before we get into field goal range (more than once) and punt. ND had no pass defense, and they bit HARD on play action even when we weren't running it that first drive. We went away from what worked.I agree - 100% on the coaches. No offensive creativity, no defensive creativity, ####ty playcalling....maybe just once or twice a game our DLine could try to stunt? ANYTHING to get some semblance of pressure on an opposing QB once in a while...#### - we may as well put Bell in now with the young receivers and get live-game practice for next season. I've only got one, MAYBE two years of cheap season tickets left...I want a flippin title.
I think they'll be better the next two years with him the full time starter.
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We killed multiple drives trying to run multiple plays in a row when the pass was working. Not establishing the run has nothing to do with our team this year - it's a complete lack of any pressure on opposing QBs and no creativity on offense. Those wide screens are basically run plays anyhow - the issue I'm seeing is that we don't take any deep shots...it took us until garbage time at the very end of the game to complete a pass that traveled more than 20 yards in the air...and Landry had only thrown like 1 other pass that deep in the game. We don't stretch the field...of course we aren't going to have room to run.Pass first, stretch the field, and then work draw plays. Also, not that it is related at all, but Demi Lovato is BUTCHERING the anthem before WS Game 4 right now. Ew.Rushing once, not liking the result and then passing the next six downs isn't trying to establishing the run.Bull#### they didn't try. They tried too much. We're there, constantly seeing us drive down the field throwing the ball, and then we start handing it off for 2 ####### yards at a time, kill a drive just before we get into field goal range (more than once) and punt. ND had no pass defense, and they bit HARD on play action even when we weren't running it that first drive. We went away from what worked.I agree - 100% on the coaches. No offensive creativity, no defensive creativity, ####ty playcalling....maybe just once or twice a game our DLine could try to stunt? ANYTHING to get some semblance of pressure on an opposing QB once in a while...#### - we may as well put Bell in now with the young receivers and get live-game practice for next season. I've only got one, MAYBE two years of cheap season tickets left...I want a flippin title.
It's like you didn't watch the game. ND's secondary was sitting deep allowing the short passing game to go. The WRs were blanketed when they tried to go deep so Landry took what he was given. That was ND's game plan. Let OU dink and dunk until they got into the RZ and hope for a few stops. And OU bought it hook, line and sinker. The way to counter it was run more so the safeties had to cheat up. And that never happened. The ND safeties never had to worry about the run game.We killed multiple drives trying to run multiple plays in a row when the pass was working. Not establishing the run has nothing to do with our team this year - it's a complete lack of any pressure on opposing QBs and no creativity on offense. Those wide screens are basically run plays anyhow - the issue I'm seeing is that we don't take any deep shots...it took us until garbage time at the very end of the game to complete a pass that traveled more than 20 yards in the air...and Landry had only thrown like 1 other pass that deep in the game. We don't stretch the field...of course we aren't going to have room to run.Pass first, stretch the field, and then work draw plays. Also, not that it is related at all, but Demi Lovato is BUTCHERING the anthem before WS Game 4 right now. Ew.Rushing once, not liking the result and then passing the next six downs isn't trying to establishing the run.Bull#### they didn't try. They tried too much. We're there, constantly seeing us drive down the field throwing the ball, and then we start handing it off for 2 ####### yards at a time, kill a drive just before we get into field goal range (more than once) and punt. ND had no pass defense, and they bit HARD on play action even when we weren't running it that first drive. We went away from what worked.I agree - 100% on the coaches. No offensive creativity, no defensive creativity, ####ty playcalling....maybe just once or twice a game our DLine could try to stunt? ANYTHING to get some semblance of pressure on an opposing QB once in a while...#### - we may as well put Bell in now with the young receivers and get live-game practice for next season. I've only got one, MAYBE two years of cheap season tickets left...I want a flippin title.
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Funny, I feel the same way. They were deep, yes, but they were hugging the sidelines. The deep seam routes were constantly open and we never took advantage. And then when the ran some Cover 1, we had a couple opportunities for Brown to go one on one down the sideline if he could beat the press - except they had him run slants to the middle for 5-8 yard gains when there was no help over the top...It's like you didn't watch the game. ND's secondary was sitting deep allowing the short passing game to go. The WRs were blanketed when they tried to go deep so Landry took what he was given. That was ND's game plan. Let OU dink and dunk until they got into the RZ and hope for a few stops. And OU bought it hook, line and sinker. The way to counter it was run more so the safeties had to cheat up. And that never happened. The ND safeties never had to worry about the run game.We killed multiple drives trying to run multiple plays in a row when the pass was working. Not establishing the run has nothing to do with our team this year - it's a complete lack of any pressure on opposing QBs and no creativity on offense. Those wide screens are basically run plays anyhow - the issue I'm seeing is that we don't take any deep shots...it took us until garbage time at the very end of the game to complete a pass that traveled more than 20 yards in the air...and Landry had only thrown like 1 other pass that deep in the game. We don't stretch the field...of course we aren't going to have room to run.Pass first, stretch the field, and then work draw plays.Rushing once, not liking the result and then passing the next six downs isn't trying to establishing the run.Bull#### they didn't try. They tried too much. We're there, constantly seeing us drive down the field throwing the ball, and then we start handing it off for 2 ####### yards at a time, kill a drive just before we get into field goal range (more than once) and punt. ND had no pass defense, and they bit HARD on play action even when we weren't running it that first drive. We went away from what worked.
I agree - 100% on the coaches. No offensive creativity, no defensive creativity, ####ty playcalling....maybe just once or twice a game our DLine could try to stunt? ANYTHING to get some semblance of pressure on an opposing QB once in a while...
#### - we may as well put Bell in now with the young receivers and get live-game practice for next season. I've only got one, MAYBE two years of cheap season tickets left...I want a flippin title.
Also, not that it is related at all, but Demi Lovato is BUTCHERING the anthem before WS Game 4 right now. Ew.
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Ugh! Is all I can say after watching last night. Just when I think we have turned a corner to become a better team, OU craps the bed. At this point I think Stoops should take a lot more looks at Bell.
That's not going to happen.
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Footballguy
It's official Mike Stoops hasn't a clue. Coaches arguing on the sideline with each other.
Year Preseason Final'10 7-6'08 4-5'07 8-8'06 10-11'04 2-3'03 1-3'02 2-5'01 3-6'00 19-1'99 NR-NROnly 4 out of 14 years has OU underperformed under Stoops.
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Not a fan, but I admire them. The team I saw last night looked NOTHING like the team I watched play Texas. I admit I haven't seen much of them since. What happened?
Can't run the ball against a physical defense. Can't tackle in open space. Make the same mental mistakes over and over and over. Half time adjustments non-existent.And Texas just isn't that good right now.
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Man Stills and Jefferson leaving is a big loss for OU.
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ARLINGTON —
The Oklahoma Sooners weren’t above blaming each other for mistakes in a 41-13 loss to Texas A&M at the Cotton Bowl Classic Friday, but the bottom line was that nobody was good enough.
“In the second half, it totally broke down offensively and defensively,” said head coach Bob Stoops. “We had guys plenty of times in position to make a play, and we couldn’t make a play. They totally outplayed us in every way.”
It would be easy to criticize the defense, which allowed A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel to set a Cotton Bowl record with 516 yards of total offense, but which part of the defense?
“We were back there for seven or eight seconds at times,” said Sooners safety Javon Harris. “Sometimes they weren’t even running patterns. They went downfield and just started running around until they got open.”
So, then, maybe it was all about defensive pressure, maybe that’s where the Sooners broke down.
“I mean, if we went hard, he stepped around us, if we laid back, he had too much time,” defensive end Dave King said of Manziel. “I don’t think we were good on the first, second or third level.”
Stoops said that Manziel deserves a lot of the credit because he’s the best quarterback the Sooners have seen.
“Guys that do get a lot of pressure, he takes off running,” Stoops said. “If you’ve got an angle on him, he stops and goes the other way. If you don’t, he outruns you. Even when guys are in position, he is so quick and strong … he’s just hard to get to.”
All that said, the Sooners were only down 14-13 at halftime because the offense was controlling the ball. Oklahoma had 20 first downs, 51 plays run and 20:19 in time of possession in the first half, and that meant the Aggies weren’t on the field that much.
So what happened in the second half?
“They came at us with a three-man front, just like Notre Dame did,” said center Gabe Ikard. “We didn’t handle it well enough.”
In fact, you could say the lack of offense in the second half led directly to the meltdown of the defense.
“We didn’t play the way we should,” said quarterback Landry Jones, who threw for 278 yards on 35-48-1 passing. “We couldn’t run it, we couldn’t throw it … it happens. I wish we were better tonight, but that’s the way it is.”
Now, the Sooners have to try to move forward. They will lose Jones to graduation and the NFL, and they must find a new quarterback. They also have to replace five seniors on defense. However, they have a ton of offensive linemen coming back, as well as several skill position players on offense.
“Going forward, I know what we need to do,” said freshman Ty Darlington. “If anything, this will be a huge motivation for us through the off-season, cause us to work even harder and come back next year as good as we possibly can.”
Pretty strong endorsement from Stoops about Manziel. It must have been a ####### nightmare in the secondary for OU.
The Oklahoma Sooners weren’t above blaming each other for mistakes in a 41-13 loss to Texas A&M at the Cotton Bowl Classic Friday, but the bottom line was that nobody was good enough.
“In the second half, it totally broke down offensively and defensively,” said head coach Bob Stoops. “We had guys plenty of times in position to make a play, and we couldn’t make a play. They totally outplayed us in every way.”
It would be easy to criticize the defense, which allowed A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel to set a Cotton Bowl record with 516 yards of total offense, but which part of the defense?
“We were back there for seven or eight seconds at times,” said Sooners safety Javon Harris. “Sometimes they weren’t even running patterns. They went downfield and just started running around until they got open.”
So, then, maybe it was all about defensive pressure, maybe that’s where the Sooners broke down.
“I mean, if we went hard, he stepped around us, if we laid back, he had too much time,” defensive end Dave King said of Manziel. “I don’t think we were good on the first, second or third level.”
Stoops said that Manziel deserves a lot of the credit because he’s the best quarterback the Sooners have seen.
“Guys that do get a lot of pressure, he takes off running,” Stoops said. “If you’ve got an angle on him, he stops and goes the other way. If you don’t, he outruns you. Even when guys are in position, he is so quick and strong … he’s just hard to get to.”
All that said, the Sooners were only down 14-13 at halftime because the offense was controlling the ball. Oklahoma had 20 first downs, 51 plays run and 20:19 in time of possession in the first half, and that meant the Aggies weren’t on the field that much.
So what happened in the second half?
“They came at us with a three-man front, just like Notre Dame did,” said center Gabe Ikard. “We didn’t handle it well enough.”
In fact, you could say the lack of offense in the second half led directly to the meltdown of the defense.
“We didn’t play the way we should,” said quarterback Landry Jones, who threw for 278 yards on 35-48-1 passing. “We couldn’t run it, we couldn’t throw it … it happens. I wish we were better tonight, but that’s the way it is.”
Now, the Sooners have to try to move forward. They will lose Jones to graduation and the NFL, and they must find a new quarterback. They also have to replace five seniors on defense. However, they have a ton of offensive linemen coming back, as well as several skill position players on offense.
“Going forward, I know what we need to do,” said freshman Ty Darlington. “If anything, this will be a huge motivation for us through the off-season, cause us to work even harder and come back next year as good as we possibly can.”
Pretty strong endorsement from Stoops about Manziel. It must have been a ####### nightmare in the secondary for OU.
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Stills not a huge loss in the system, Jefferson will be missed.
Not really. They'll be fine at WR with Metoyer, Saunders, Neal & Shepard. And the problems on D are so bad losing one player isn't going to make a difference. It needs a complete overhaul.
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. Spot on both articles.
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http://blog.newsok.com/ou/2013/01/09/former-sooners-voice-frustrations-with-oklahoma-football/Maybe something good can come from former players calling out players, and coaches.
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It was one thing for Brian Bosworth, the notoriously loose-lipped Switzer era linebacker, to vent about the Oklahoma Sooners earlier this year. The message was interesting, but it was lost on some because of the messenger. Now, we hear from one of Bob Stoops' former players, and among his best.Jammal Brown, the Outland Trophy-winning tackle who played in two national championship games, went on Norman's KREF Monday evening. The hosts of "The Rush," former Sooners Dusty Dvoracek and Teddy Lehman, weren't very happy with OU's Cotton Bowl performance.Brown was even more upset, something he made quite clear to Dvoracek and Lehman on their drive-time show... "Man, I'm mad as hell about that game. Very upset. To me, it's a whole mental thing with the team. I played there. I know Coach Stoops and those guys can get it done. But the whole mental aspect of our team is gone."We don't got those guys that will play physical. Guys are soft. All of that, it's just a horrible thing to watch. It don't even look like OU out there. It looks like a bunch of guys running around. It's very disappointing... "The guys they've got there are good athletes, because they know how to recruit and what not. But their mindset is all messed up. Those guys are soft. They complain about everything. They wanna get in trouble. Their mindset ain't right. They need to do something about that, man. "I know Coach Stoops can get it done. But it just seems like something's holding him back. To me, I think Coach Stoops is the best coach out there. When I played for him, he was a dog. He had that Youngstown swag about him, that gangsta swag about him to go out there and get it done, no ifs, no nothing."Now, I mean, it's just different. I don't know if it's because the kids are whiny now or wanna go tell if they're working too hard, or what it is. But it needs to get back to how it was, plain and simple... "Those guys, I feel like what it's important to them is seeing how many hits on Twitter, or who's seen this or who's seen that. When we were there, success was held really, really high. Big 12 championship? Man, we tried to win a national championship. I hear these guys exciting about sharing a championship? That ain't nothing to be excited about. This is Oklahoma football. We don't share championships, we win 'em outright. That's BS. I would've even gave that back. I ain't about to share no championship."And that's the whole mindset. Y'all are walking around celebrating because you got to share a championship with K-State? Man, get outta here with that. Let Oklahoma State celebrate stuff like that…"After that A&M game, when we beat those boys 77-0 my junior year, that next Monday was the hardest practice that I ever had. Because we didn't get enough knockdowns because we squashed so much. We didn't put a drive together because everybody had big plays. Coach (Kevin) Wilson didn't care about that score. Our job was for each person to get 15 knockdowns. It didn't get done, so we had to do up-downs."That was the whole mindset that Wilson installed in us. Guys like Phil (Loadholt), Davin (Joseph), me, he knew how to coach us. He knew how to get the best out of us. He knew how to keep us motivated. He didn't let us get lost in the world of Twitter and being in college and this and that..."Coach Stoops was the same way... He always kept me hungry. He always pushed me. I just feel like they don't push guys like that no more. I don't know if it's because who the kids are now, who knows. But I think that type of coaching needs to come back."
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I saw this tweet by Dane Brugler:Regarding LB Tom Wort RT @TravHaneyESPN Not going pro as much as 'I'm done playing at OU"Any idea what that meant? Did he not fit with the new Stoops defense?Tom Wort has declared for the draft?????????????????? He'll be lucky to get drafted with the crap season he had.
Not at all. He was lost.He did graduate. So he could pull a Russell Wilson and go somewhere else without sitting out. But OU would have to release him.I saw this tweet by Dane Brugler:Regarding LB Tom Wort RT @TravHaneyESPN Not going pro as much as 'I'm done playing at OU"Any idea what that meant? Did he not fit with the new Stoops defense?Tom Wort has declared for the draft?????????????????? He'll be lucky to get drafted with the crap season he had.
See ya, sucker:Not at all. He was lost.He did graduate. So he could pull a Russell Wilson and go somewhere else without sitting out. But OU would have to release him.I saw this tweet by Dane Brugler:Regarding LB Tom Wort RT @TravHaneyESPN Not going pro as much as 'I'm done playing at OU"Any idea what that meant? Did he not fit with the new Stoops defense?Tom Wort has declared for the draft?????????????????? He'll be lucky to get drafted with the crap season he had.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20130110_92_B6_NRAoot913169#
Doctor Detroit
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One of the few guys to have a great season on defense. This helps, I too thought he was gone.
Raider Nation
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Landry has not helped himself all week at Senior Bowl practice, and it's even worse in this game.Mayock and scouts on Twitter are killing him for terrible accuracy and jittery feet in the pocket.
Moe.
Footballguy
Yeah it's gonna be tough for him in the NFL I think. I dunno if you can learn to deal with pressure or not but he'll certainly have to. Kind of seems like a worse version of Gabbert. Lane Johnson looks really good though.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
LOL. Ouch!
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Devil's Advocate
BTW, how do you guys see Belldozer faring as the unquestioned starter? Can he throw well enough to keep defenses honest?
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