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"100 Greatest Players" on NFLN - (List is in original post) (1 Viewer)
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Angus82
Footballguy
Actually I had Montana at 14 and I hoped that you guys would not notice. Montana as a member of the 101st airborne would be quite an honor.
fsufan
Footballguy
Allen benched 682 poundsAwesome first episode, I even watched the rerun that came on immediately after. The program was done very professionally and I love how they used John Randle to make the case for Larry Allen...
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Gotcha. Was Johnny Unitas #15?Actually I had Montana at 14 and I hoped that you guys would not notice. Montana as a member of the 101st airborne would be quite an honor.
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RebelINS
Footballguy
My dad and I were discussing this today. Aikman probably made it but it could be Cliff Harris, he made the initial "Top 50 at 50" list they did back in the day if I recall and was a member of the All-70s team.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Favre has to be top 20.
Tau837
Footballguy
No he's not, contrary to popular opinion. And, no, he won't be in the show's top 100.
Tau837
Footballguy
Hard for me to imagine the NFL Network ranking a player in its top 100 who isn't in the HOF. I don't see that happening.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let me guess. Sammy Baugh?"I was never much for hang time until we got Ray. But then we started clocking how long his punt hung in the air. Sometimes he kept it up there as long as six seconds! The best punter I've ever seen."– John Madden, former Raider Coach
"He's only the greatest kicker who ever lived." — Curley Hallman, Southern Mississippi Head Coach
"He's the first punter you could look at and say, 'He won games.'" — Joe Horrigan, Pro Football Hall of Fame historian
"Few people can say they were the best ever at what they did. Ray Guy retired with that satisfaction." –Chuck Abadie, The Hattiesburg American
"A helluva athlete, the best ever to play his position in the history of the game." — Al Davis, Oakland Raiders Owner
"Those who earn their living in pro football say he's the finest punter in the history of the world." — The Sporting News
Think back over the history of any sport. Very often there has been one guy who stood out above the superstars – just as Ray Guy stands out in punting. It just happens." — Tex Schramm
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The good news is... if it's NOT Ray Guy, the "Best Punter Ever" title will still be in the Raider family when Shane Lechler retires.
McJose
Footballguy
:wave:Raise your hand if you've heard of Mel Hein before tonight.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Episode 2 just starting.
#90 to #81 about to be revealed.
#90 to #81 about to be revealed.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
88 - Ed Reed. 
Well deserved.
Well deserved.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
OK I can't let this go.Michael Irvin was much more then numbers. He was a leader. This guys intensity is unmatched. He made players around him better. Every team knew where the ball was going and he still got it done. Every team knew the slant was coming and it was still completed time and time again. He was as physical a wr you will ever find. His teammates looked to him when times were tough. There was never a moment that was to big for this guy. Matter of fact he lived for the big moments. If Irvin was not the player he was the Cowboys would have won zero titles in that time period. Who was the best compliment wr Irvin ever had next to him? This guy made sure that all players practiced hard and if not got in their face. He was much more then the flash everyone saw after a td catch or first down catch. This guy was a warrior on the field and to say he does not deserve to be in the top 100 players because he never led in statical categories is just plain blind. This guy was the passion and heart of a 3 time Super Bowl winning team. He was a winner and demanded nothing less from himself and his teammates. That puts him in the top 100 cause everyone knows this guy had the talent. It takes more then talent to get into the top 100. HE BELONGS
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Just saw the updated list... Kurt Warner? The QB? Really? In the history of the NFL?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Most passing yards in a Super Bowl; single game:1) Kurt Warner, 4142) Kurt Warner, 3773) Kurt Warner, 365And he took two previously-terrible franchises to a Super Bowl. What's the problem?
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO there is no way Kurt Warner is the 90th best player in NFL history, and there is no way Ed Reed is the 88th best player in NFL history. I didn't see the show yet, as I am on a business trip, but I'll watch when I get home. IMO there are a handful of very questionable selections already.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You think neither deserves to be on the list?
Tau837
Footballguy
Correct. IMO both are HOF worthy but not top 100 all time players. Heck, we already named 16 or 17 QBs earlier in this thread without naming Warner once.I also just read the Football Outsiders article, and I'm a bit surprised at some of the names they failed to include on the ballots, with Junior Seau being the most egregious. He probably won't make it due to that, but IMO he is more deserving than several players already named.
timschochet
Footballguy
IMO, Kurt Warner is a better QB than Joe Montana. Dead serious about that. So was Steve Young, for that matter.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Clifton
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Even considering the end of his run in StL and his year in NY?
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'm as big a Kurt Warner fan as anyone, but, no. Just, no. Steve Young? Quite possibly. If you took every QB on their best day, Steve Young would be number 1.
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Blah blah blah... Irvin belongs in neither the HoF nor Top 100.
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This is exactly why I LOVE to watch these types of programs. I've watched a lot of NFL Films over the years and I really enjoy seeing good footage and commentary of some of the greats I've never heard of or know little about. The stuff on Hein, Joe Schmidt, and Ernie Nevers was great. I also really like how Steve Sabol highlights the old timers on the NFL Network when they pass away. Very informative and educational, and a tremendous way to honor their memories and their contributions to the game.Raise your hand if you've heard of Mel Hein before tonight.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Aikman ahead of Steve Young
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It's bad, but I don't think it's "eye-rolling" bad and I'll tell you why.Does anyone think Aikman couldn't have put up silly video game numbers had he been in Bill Walsh's offense or the Run 'n Shoot offense which Warren Moon ran in Houston? Aikman was incredibly talented, but many people forget that because he didn't NEED to throw the ball 30 times a game. When you play with Emmitt and that O-line, you throw when you need to throw. Aikman was a winner. He shouldn't be punished for having superior talent around him.Buddy Ball 2K3 said:Aikman ahead of Steve Young
Tau837
Footballguy
It shouldn't matter. Players should be judged only on what they did, not on what they might have done in different situations. That is nothing but speculation. No one can know with 100% certainty that Aikman would have performed as well as or better than Young in that 49ers offense.For that reason, I think it is an eye rolling offense. Aikman shouldn't even be in the top 100 IMO. It appears at this point that there are going to be 20 or so QBs in the top 100, which IMO is ridiculous.It's bad, but I don't think it's "eye-rolling" bad and I'll tell you why.Does anyone think Aikman couldn't have put up silly video game numbers had he been in Bill Walsh's offense or the Run 'n Shoot offense which Warren Moon ran in Houston? Aikman was incredibly talented, but many people forget that because he didn't NEED to throw the ball 30 times a game. When you play with Emmitt and that O-line, you throw when you need to throw. Aikman was a winner. He shouldn't be punished for having superior talent around him.Aikman ahead of Steve Young
I enjoy this show, but this list is always going to be quite subjective. There are always guys that make the list that played in era's where the game was NOTHING like it is today and trying to compare them to players that started from 1970 on is somewhat difficult. The statistics simply are not at all similar with much older players and once the guys that are old enough to have actually watched some of them are gone, who can honestly say how good they were? Especially when comparing them to players from the past 40 years. Even if we "watch film" from years past, the camera angles and what is available is just not going to show us as much as what we see now. Frankly, I think a lot of these guys make these type of lists due to the age of the guys putting them together and their personal nostalgia of a player.
Also, why does everyone keep harping on football followers younger than 30 on here? I'm 36, have always enjoyed NFL films etc. and watched football with my dad growing up whenever it was on. But I know for a fact that when I was a kid I didn't see anything close to enough football to make unbiased opinions of players. The bias of course being the media in my area. I don't get how everyone keeps talking about "watching film" since they were 7 or 8; REALLY? What are you guys all related to Paul Brown and he brought home game film? And even so, how good could that possibly have been!? There simply wasn't the sources to watch "game film" even just 15 years ago available to all of us. The internet isn't that old. NFL network is just a few years old. And there was only what 3 Sunday games and a Monday night game. And Monday night doesn't go back before 1970! So we all had 3 games available to us that were all geographically dictated. Ya, all us 35 and older guys watched a ton of "film"(just flipped the pages of the newspapers sports sections really fast to see "replays" maybe?) and "studied players" before the internet, or the ability to watch more than 3 games a week. Yup, that happened.
Also, why does everyone keep harping on football followers younger than 30 on here? I'm 36, have always enjoyed NFL films etc. and watched football with my dad growing up whenever it was on. But I know for a fact that when I was a kid I didn't see anything close to enough football to make unbiased opinions of players. The bias of course being the media in my area. I don't get how everyone keeps talking about "watching film" since they were 7 or 8; REALLY? What are you guys all related to Paul Brown and he brought home game film? And even so, how good could that possibly have been!? There simply wasn't the sources to watch "game film" even just 15 years ago available to all of us. The internet isn't that old. NFL network is just a few years old. And there was only what 3 Sunday games and a Monday night game. And Monday night doesn't go back before 1970! So we all had 3 games available to us that were all geographically dictated. Ya, all us 35 and older guys watched a ton of "film"(just flipped the pages of the newspapers sports sections really fast to see "replays" maybe?) and "studied players" before the internet, or the ability to watch more than 3 games a week. Yup, that happened.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Aikman- Games Started: 165 Completion % 61.5 Yards: 32,942 TD: 165 INT: 141 QB Rating: 81.6It shouldn't matter. Players should be judged only on what they did, not on what they might have done in different situations. That is nothing but speculation. No one can know with 100% certainty that Aikman would have performed as well as or better than Young in that 49ers offense.For that reason, I think it is an eye rolling offense. Aikman shouldn't even be in the top 100 IMO. It appears at this point that there are going to be 20 or so QBs in the top 100, which IMO is ridiculous.It's bad, but I don't think it's "eye-rolling" bad and I'll tell you why.Does anyone think Aikman couldn't have put up silly video game numbers had he been in Bill Walsh's offense or the Run 'n Shoot offense which Warren Moon ran in Houston? Aikman was incredibly talented, but many people forget that because he didn't NEED to throw the ball 30 times a game. When you play with Emmitt and that O-line, you throw when you need to throw. Aikman was a winner. He shouldn't be punished for having superior talent around him.Aikman ahead of Steve Young
Steve Young - Games Started: 143 Completion % 64.3 Yards: 33,124 TD: 232 INT: 107 QB Rating: 96.8
Young beats Aikman in every single major QB relevant statistic. Add in Young's 4,239 yards rushing and 43 TD's and its quite laughable that Young is ranked where he is.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They are obviously drawing the Aikman > Young conclusion based on him having three Super Bowl rings to one (as a starter for Young), but that is still beyond stupid. I don't know anyone who actually thinks that Troy Aikman was a better QB than Steve Young.
kremenull
Footballguy
My Top 10 Greatest.......As I started finalizing the list, I saw that I needed to list 12.
12. Barry Sanders RB
11. John Elway QB
10. Don Hutson WR
9. Joe Montana QB
8. Anthony Munoz OT
7. Reggie White DE
6. Ray Lewis LB
5. Walter Payton RB
4. Johnny Unitas QB
3. Lawrence Taylor OLB
2. Jerry Rice WR
1. Jim Brown RB
12. Barry Sanders RB
11. John Elway QB
10. Don Hutson WR
9. Joe Montana QB
8. Anthony Munoz OT
7. Reggie White DE
6. Ray Lewis LB
5. Walter Payton RB
4. Johnny Unitas QB
3. Lawrence Taylor OLB
2. Jerry Rice WR
1. Jim Brown RB
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PhilLynott
Footballguy
This may be lame, but I wanted to see if someone had also felt as I felt. "He was a leader" No he wasn't a leader. He was a selfish player who cheated on his wife and played the Charlie Sheen "Hookers and Blow" game. Emmitt Smith winning a game with a separated shoulder, leader. Troy Aikman standing in the pocket and getting smoked by Wilber Marshall, leader. Michael Irvin had talent but he enjoyed playing on one of the great teams of all-time. Jay Novacek MAY have been Aikman's guy. Darryl Johnston was definitely a team leader.
Angus82
Footballguy
I would love to see 12 Chuck Bednarik11 Deacon Jones10 Dan Marino09 Joe Montana08 Walter Payton07 Jim Parker06 **** Night Train Lane05 Johnny Unitas04 Lawrence Taylor03 Jim Brown02 Otto Graham01 Don Hutson
Insein
Footballguy
Namath has to be consider simply because of his total package. He had skill and delivered on the field in big spots. He never accumulated the definition of HOF stats but what he did for the game makes him one of the greats. The fact that they put him at 100 I think signifies that. They know he's not a top 100 calibur player but his significance is why he's up there.
Insein
Footballguy
BTW, Top players ever would have to be among this group. Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Jerry Rice, Johnny Unitas. I think the #1 will come from this group. Peyton will not be chosen since he's still active but 20 to 30 years from now, after he's elected into the HOF, we will look back and say "My god, that was the greatest QB to ever play the game."
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Angus82
Footballguy
Your humor is noted. Not much of a sense of humor, but it is noted.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Motley is one of those super hard guys to rank, but if you're going to put him on the list, I'd probably put him higher than 74.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, that was odd to me as well. To hear the old-timers tell it, he was Superman.Seems like Darrell Green got short-changed also.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
One of the best I ever saw.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Pro Football Reference really shows the difference statistically between Aikman and Young. The 3 QBs who compare closest to Steve Young are Dan Fouts, Ken Anderson, and Joe Montana. Aikman compares closest to Mark Brunell, Donovan McNabb, and Ken Stabler. They just aren't in the same league. Also an interesting stat related to fantasy: Aikman's 2 best years, he finished 4th and 9th amongst QBs. Steve Young was the top QB in fantasy 4 times.Aikman- Games Started: 165 Completion % 61.5 Yards: 32,942 TD: 165 INT: 141 QB Rating: 81.6It shouldn't matter. Players should be judged only on what they did, not on what they might have done in different situations. That is nothing but speculation. No one can know with 100% certainty that Aikman would have performed as well as or better than Young in that 49ers offense.For that reason, I think it is an eye rolling offense. Aikman shouldn't even be in the top 100 IMO. It appears at this point that there are going to be 20 or so QBs in the top 100, which IMO is ridiculous.It's bad, but I don't think it's "eye-rolling" bad and I'll tell you why.Does anyone think Aikman couldn't have put up silly video game numbers had he been in Bill Walsh's offense or the Run 'n Shoot offense which Warren Moon ran in Houston? Aikman was incredibly talented, but many people forget that because he didn't NEED to throw the ball 30 times a game. When you play with Emmitt and that O-line, you throw when you need to throw. Aikman was a winner. He shouldn't be punished for having superior talent around him.Aikman ahead of Steve Young
Steve Young - Games Started: 143 Completion % 64.3 Yards: 33,124 TD: 232 INT: 107 QB Rating: 96.8
Young beats Aikman in every single major QB relevant statistic. Add in Young's 4,239 yards rushing and 43 TD's and its quite laughable that Young is ranked where he is.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I honestly think it will end up rice and brown as the top two. Just not sure which they give one and two.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm hoping the voters overlooked Lawrence Taylor's off-field garbage. If so, he deserves to finish very, very high. Total demon. Completely changed the way offenses schemed to protect the QB. I'd put him in the top-5 were I voting.
