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2 hours ago, Nick Vermeil said:

Anyone else still carrying him on a roster?  Ive been fortunate to be able to waste the slot to this point but each week I think I should cut bait for a TE 2. 

I think AB has burnt every bridge to reentry in the NFL.

The old adage, "If he can play, someone will sign him" doesn't apply here. AB is toxic × 10

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( •_•)     Seems like Antonio Brown got...       ( •_•)>⌐■-■         (⌐■_■) ...cold feet

He probably got Cold Feet 

It looks like Adam Schefter added Antonio Brown to his fantasy team before breaking the news @Joe Bryant - note to self: never play in a fantasy football league with Adam Schefter 

3 hours ago, Nick Vermeil said:

Anyone else still carrying him on a roster?  Ive been fortunate to be able to waste the slot to this point but each week I think I should cut bait for a TE 2. 

I sabotage cut him after he was released from the Patriots. 

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11 hours ago, Warhogs said:

I have enjoyed making fun of this whole crazy string of events but I genuinely hope his behavior isn't due to some sort of disorder. While the whole string of events have been craziness I hope he can live a long and healthy life.

 

I hope he's just a jerk because I hate his guts.

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According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, free agent WR Antonio Brown is not expected to play again this season.

Brown is slated to meet with league officials Thursday to address sexual misconduct allegations made by two accusers. Even if a team signs him (the Seahawks reportedly had interest prior to claiming Josh Gordon off waivers), Brown would likely be placed on the Commissioner's Exempt list until the NFL concludes its investigation, which may not wrap up until after the season. Further complicating matters, Brown has not turned over all evidence related to his case. Between the investigation, his ongoing lawsuit and Brown's pending grievances against both the Patriots and Raiders, AB has a lot to sort out before he gets back on the gridiron.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Nov 10, 2019, 10:52 AM ET

 

 

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Antonio Brown apologized to Patriots owner Robert Kraft on Twitter.

The full apology can be read in the link below. It's obviously a last-ditch effort on Brown's (or, more likely, his social media intern's) part to clear the air while the league debates his pending suspension behind closed doors. Brown is still facing numerous allegations of sexual misconduct and, per Adam Schefter, is not expected to play again this season. We don't expect a team to take a chance on him next year, either.

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I would suggest there is a 1 in 1,000 chance that AB, NE, and the league come to an agreement to allow Brown to come back and finish the season with the Patriots. Brown has already missed 8 games this year, which is essentially the same punishment as a half year suspension. NE will probably end up having to pay him anyway and there is still 11 days left for Brown to get on a team and be playoff eligible (if my memory on roster requirements is right). To reiterate, no other player has been suspended for a civil suit or for actions that were not reported to and investigated by law enforcement before. None of that will change that AB is out of his mind, but IMO NE would take him back if Kraft is up for it. It's very unlikely, but I am not sure it can be totally ruled out as a possible (but extremely unlikely) outcome.

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57 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I would suggest there is a 1 in 1,000 chance that AB, NE, and the league come to an agreement to allow Brown to come back and finish the season with the Patriots. Brown has already missed 8 games this year, which is essentially the same punishment as a half year suspension. NE will probably end up having to pay him anyway and there is still 11 days left for Brown to get on a team and be playoff eligible (if my memory on roster requirements is right). To reiterate, no other player has been suspended for a civil suit or for actions that were not reported to and investigated by law enforcement before. None of that will change that AB is out of his mind, but IMO NE would take him back if Kraft is up for it. It's very unlikely, but I am not sure it can be totally ruled out as a possible (but extremely unlikely) outcome.

Tom Brady would like a word with you.

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Tom Brady got suspended for an on-field incident not a personal conduct issue away from the game of football. Not even remotely similar.

Conspiring with equipment guys to cheat by deflating footballs is hardly an on-field incident.  Sounds a whole lot more like personal conduct to me. :shrug:

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Just now, davearm said:

Conspiring with equipment guys to cheat by deflating footballs is hardly an on-field incident.  Sounds a whole lot more like personal conduct to me. :shrug:

Except it's not. The rules for proper football inflation are contained in the league game day operations manual and not meeting those requirements are considered a game day equipment violation. No matter how you slice it, the whole Deflatgate fiasco was based on actual football. The AB mess has nothing at all to do with football (potential inappropriate sexual conduct, lack of payment of debts, threatening text messages, throwing furniture off a building, etc.).

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Except it's not. The rules for proper football inflation are contained in the league game day operations manual and not meeting those requirements are considered a game day equipment violation. No matter how you slice it, the whole Deflatgate fiasco was based on actual football. The AB mess has nothing at all to do with football (potential inappropriate sexual conduct, lack of payment of debts, threatening text messages, throwing furniture off a building, etc.).

Earlier you stated Brady was suspended for an "on-field incident", which is clearly not the case.  Brady was suspended for a bunch of phone calls and texts.  Those obviously took place away from the field.

Those semantics notwithstanding, your assertion that nobody gets suspended without a police investigation is surely incorrect.  Brady is just one example.  If I cared enough to go digging I'm sure I could find others.

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14 minutes ago, davearm said:

Earlier you stated Brady was suspended for an "on-field incident", which is clearly not the case.  Brady was suspended for a bunch of phone calls and texts.  Those obviously took place away from the field.

Those semantics notwithstanding, your assertion that nobody gets suspended without a police investigation is surely incorrect.  Brady is just one example.  If I cared enough to go digging I'm sure I could find others.

Huh? Brady got suspended because the footballs were tested and found to be improperly inflated during the AFCC game against the Colts. That directly had to do with football. Brady did not get suspended for inappropriate player contact or criminal / legal reasons, which is what AB is going through. Sure, players have been suspended for on field issues, helmet to helmet hits, PED's, drug possession, failed drug tests, etc. before. That wasn't the point.

For instances of suspected CRIMINAL activity, if Brown were to be suspended, he would be the first player suspended based on incidents unreported to, and not investigated by, law enforcement. He would become the first player suspended for a civil case where the incidents were not even looked into by the police. What Brady did was not remotely close to a potential crime.

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10 minutes ago, whole-show said:

Patriots have “kicked the tires” on AB. Says there have been discussions about the player per Michael Giardi 

I know there's a deadline of 10 days or something like that for Gronk to sign if he plays this year, is that the same window for someone like AB? Is there a time frame that he needs to be on a roster for in order to play this year?

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12 minutes ago, Hu-Tang Clan said:

I know there's a deadline of 10 days or something like that for Gronk to sign if he plays this year, is that the same window for someone like AB? Is there a time frame that he needs to be on a roster for in order to play this year?

Was wondering the same, but I don’t believe so since AB is a free agent and Gronk is retired.

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13 minutes ago, Hu-Tang Clan said:

I know there's a deadline of 10 days or something like that for Gronk to sign if he plays this year, is that the same window for someone like AB? Is there a time frame that he needs to be on a roster for in order to play this year?

I dont think so. I would imagine it's because of Gronk "retiring" he has to notify them by the 30th if he plans to come back.

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Dropped Gallman for him. Don't really need WR depth but if he comes back he is a WR1. His upside is unmatched. If NE struggles again against Dallas I wouldn't be suprised if they sign him. Brady was clearly unhappy when they let him go and I would bet he has a strong voice behind "kicking the tires" on him.

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1 minute ago, RealReactions said:

Dropped Gallman for him. Don't really need WR depth but if he comes back he is a WR1. His upside is unmatched. If NE struggles again against Dallas I wouldn't be suprised if they sign him. Brady was clearly unhappy when they let him go and I would bet he has a strong voice behind "kicking the tires" on him.

And hey, AB sent Kraft that "j/k LOL" tweet

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53 minutes ago, ponchsox said:

Wouldn’t shock me at all if the Pats brought him back if the league allows him to play. They are desperate for a play maker and this might be their last shot at a SB.

Every year is said to be the Patriots last shot at a SB. If the defense can stay together and BB is still the coach, they may not have to score a ton of points and it may not matter if TB is the QB next year.

Over their past 16 games, NE has gone 14-2. If they beat DAL this week, that will actually improve to 15-1. In their last 16 games, the NE defense has only allowed 75 points in the first half of games (an average of 4.7 points). Overall, the defense has allowed 171 points across their last 16 games (10.7 ppg). (To be clear, opponents have scored more points than that based on turnovers committed by the NE offense that were returned for TD's).

And before people chime in that they haven't played anyone, those games include two games against PIT with Big Ben, three high scoring playoff teams from last year (LAC, KCC, LAR), and the Bills and Eagles from this year (and the Ravens). So there were 8 teams with non-losing records (half their games). Combining all of last year (HOU, IND, KC x 2, CHI, LAC, LAR) and this year (BUF, BAL), the Pats have gone 8-1 against playoff teams or likely playoff teams (and still face 4 potential playoff teams this year in DAL, HOU, KC, and BUF (with 3 of those games at home).

Put another way, if NE had only scored 17 points in every game this season, they would still be 9-1. Even with a ton of injuries to offensive personnel, the NE offense (JUST the offense) has averaged 24.3 ppg (ignoring the points scored by the defense).

Bottom line, the narrative that NE is in desperate need of a play maker is getting a little overblown these days. If their OL and WR's get healthy and the offense gets used to playing together (something that hasn't happened yet), they should be fine. They probably won't win games 41-27, but they should be in position to win games 27-13.

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Bottom line, the narrative that NE is in desperate need of a play maker is getting a little overblown these days. If their OL and WR's get healthy and the offense gets used to playing together (something that hasn't happened yet), they should be fine. They probably won't win games 41-27, but they should be in position to win games 27-13.

Tom E Curran reporting that Sanu has a high ankle sprain and could be up several weeks. Dorsett has been dinged twice now. 

Everyone hoping I. Wynn solves all problems. I wonder.

They're already paying AB.

I don't know. It's possible. Bill B. is the only one in the NFL that would be able to stand at that podium stonefaced and just give everyone the stiff arm.

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Just now, kyoun1e said:

Tom E Curran reporting that Sanu has a high ankle sprain and could be up several weeks. Dorsett has been dinged twice now. 

Everyone hoping I. Wynn solves all problems. I wonder.

They're already paying AB.

I don't know. It's possible. Bill B. is the only one in the NFL that would be able to stand at that podium stonefaced and just give everyone the stiff arm.

I already posted several days ago that a return of AB was not entirely out of the question. Newhouse carries the lowest rating for a LT in the league according to PFF. Wynn doesn't have to come back and be a Top 5 LT. If he can just be replacement level, he would be a HUGE improvement. I think he will be better than average, so that will only help the offense.

Dorsett is probably 50/50 to play Sunday. He's a situational piece, not a difference maker. Brady needs to start using and trusting Harry and Meyers more. And they will use White and Burkhead more with Sanu out. In general, the offense should be able to put together 3-4 drives that end up in points on the scoreboard, even if that results in 1 TD and the rest FG's. When the defense adds in points or a forces a turnover in the red zone, that should get them 20 points each week (and more if they start to put things together).

Unfortunately, the way the offense is built and the deficiencies they have, that likely means running no huddle and Michel becomes pretty much useless. They aren't going to be able to run the ball effectively no matter what, so their best bet is to spread defenses out, not let them substitute, and occasionally audible a running play to White or Burkhead to scrap together a few rushing yards.

On defense, it seems like the only time opponents get a scoring drive lately is when a NE defender commits a penalty (or there are several penalties on a drive). They have been flagged at the worst times or else drives would have ended on  three and outs. If the defense keeps from getting flagged for penalties, I think they are as good as the numbers indicate. The Ravens game was the exception. I have watched some of the game again and the defensive scheme didn't work. They had guys keying on players but there were too many bodies in the way to get to them or they had the wrong angle to be able to tackle the ball carrier. Guys didn't cover the right gaps or didn't set the edge. BAL did a good job, but the NE chess pieces weren't in the right places. BB will clean that up if there is a rematch.

Who knows if AB will be back and the net impact he would have on the team. But I think it would be faulty logic to thing that he would have changed for the better. He still is a loose cannon.

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The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports the Patriots are not interested in re-signing free agent WR Antonio Brown.

A rumor surfaced earlier Thursday to that effect, but it is in no way surprising coach Bill Belichick will not be touching that third rail again. With Brown's off-the-field issues still far from sorted, it would be extremely surprising were he to see the field again in 2019, while his entire NFL career remains in grave doubt.

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SOURCE: Jeff Howe on Twitter

Nov 21, 2019, 10:22 PM ET

 

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On 11/22/2019 at 7:29 AM, pghrob said:

What can realistically be expected if Pats sign AB in terms of Commissioners exempt list and the NFL investigation of the assault /rape allegations? Does he really play this year? 

After this week, AB will have missed 11 games. He’s served a de facto suspension already. I doubt the league would exempt or suspend him to give him even more time off. It could take years for his civil suit to be resolved. 

That being said, I think the league will either stay out of the way and allow him to come back to the Patriots or run interference and let AB deal with finding a new team in the off season. The reason I say that is NE will likely have to pay him for this year anyway, so the league may give them a chance to get something out of him. I don’t think the league wants AB getting the go ahead and then immediately signing with a direct competitor to NE when they will be the ones paying him. 

I’m still not sure how Brown ended up off the Patriots roster. Who knows if the league pressures the team to bench him release him, or have him go on the exempt list. I know it’s been reported Kraft insisted Brown get the boot, but the whole way it went down seemed really odd. 

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

After this week, AB will have missed 11 games. He’s served a de facto suspension already. I doubt the league would exempt or suspend him to give him even more time off. It could take years for his civil suit to be resolved. 

That being said, I think the league with either stay out of the way and allow him to come back to the Patriots or run interference and let AB deal with finding a new team in the off season. The reason I say that is NE will likely have to pay him for this year anyway, so the league may give them a chance to get something out of him. I don’t think the league wants AB getting the go ahead and then immediately signing with a direct competitor to NE when they will be the ones paying him. 

I’m still not sure how Brown ended up off the Patriots roster. Who knows if the league pressures the team to bench him release him, or have him go on the exempt list. I know it’s been reported Kraft insisted Brown get the boot, but the whole way it went down seemed really odd. 

I very much doubt the NFL would view the last couple months as a "de facto suspension".  When you're suspended, you have to miss games you otherwise would have been playing in.

Being unsigned/unwanted is not the same thing as being suspended.

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33 minutes ago, davearm said:

I very much doubt the NFL would view the last couple months as a "de facto suspension".  When you're suspended, you have to miss games you otherwise would have been playing in.

Being unsigned/unwanted is not the same thing as being suspended.

Disagree. This similar thought process has been make the rounds on talk shows. AB wasn’t signed because the league effectively told teams he would go on the exempt list if he was rostered and teams would be paying him not to play. Unless there is something additional that the league has uncovered, IMO he will get leniency for time not playing. 

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45 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Disagree. This similar thought process has been make the rounds on talk shows. AB wasn’t signed because the league effectively told teams he would go on the exempt list if he was rostered and teams would be paying him not to play. Unless there is something additional that the league has uncovered, IMO he will get leniency for time not playing. 

Why hasn't any team signed him now, since his "de facto suspension" has been served?

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23 minutes ago, davearm said:

Why hasn't any team signed him now, since his "de facto suspension" has been served?

Because the league hasn't signed off that they won't do anything to him. IMO, they will at some point come out and say they have investigated and unless other information comes to light they won't do anything to AB. How long do you think they won't do anything and THEN decide to punish him? That's pretty much doubling down on a punishment. 

Look at Kareem Hunt as an example. There were similar incidents with ADP and Ray Rice. They missed almost entire seasons. Hunt was initially placed on the exempt list but then released right after. He sat as a free agent for awhile, then he was signed and suspended, and he ended up missing almost a year's worth of games. Essentially, they took what previously had been a year time out (whether it be by suspension, exception, or sitting as a free agent) to come up with a similar amount of time missed. They accomplished that by suspending him for 8 games when he could have been suspended a year. In Peterson's case, they actually tried to suspend him but that got appealed and eliminated. IIRC, all three of those cases involved the police and/or video or photographic evidence.

As of now and as far as we know , we don't have any of that with AB. Do people expect that he essentially misses the 2019 season and then he will still get exempted or suspended? Teams have avoided signing him because they would have to burn the money and cap room to not have him playing, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

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2 hours ago, Wrigley said:

He hasn’t missed a single game due to suspension.  He’s missed games because he’s a greedy, self centered, idiot 

 

But besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

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26 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Because the league hasn't signed off that they won't do anything to him. IMO, they will at some point come out and say they have investigated and unless other information comes to light they won't do anything to AB. How long do you think they won't do anything and THEN decide to punish him? That's pretty much doubling down on a punishment. 

Look at Kareem Hunt as an example. There were similar incidents with ADP and Ray Rice. They missed almost entire seasons. Hunt was initially placed on the exempt list but then released right after. He sat as a free agent for awhile, then he was signed and suspended, and he ended up missing almost a year's worth of games. Essentially, they took what previously had been a year time out (whether it be by suspension, exception, or sitting as a free agent) to come up with a similar amount of time missed. They accomplished that by suspending him for 8 games when he could have been suspended a year. In Peterson's case, they actually tried to suspend him but that got appealed and eliminated. IIRC, all three of those cases involved the police and/or video or photographic evidence.

As of now and as far as we know , we don't have any of that with AB. Do people expect that he essentially misses the 2019 season and then he will still get exempted or suspended? Teams have avoided signing him because they would have to burn the money and cap room to not have him playing, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

The NFL hasn't punished AB at all to this point.  He hasn't been fined a dime, and hasn't missed any time due to suspension.  He's been out of the league because of his own lunacy and toxicity, not because of any actions taken by the league office.

If the league's investigation determines he should be suspended or otherwise disciplined, then that will take effect once he's actually back in the league (if that ever happens).

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Like Larry Fitzgerald said, be careful what you ask for. Meaning AB had a pretty good thing going in PIT with Big Ben throwing bombs and Lev Bell. Nothing could be done about Big Ben going down, but the other two could have remained PIT steelers and they most likely would be in the playoff hunt because their defense is pretty solid. Anyway, that's all water under bridge gone bad.

Perhaps AB being shunned will knock some sense into his primadonna skull.

Fire up Chips!

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