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EXCELLENT point keith... they're insipid bastards... they never "get credit" for pushing Rollins in terms of that
They tried with Big E, but ya, there haven't been many other attempts. Maybe Kofi, although his upside was always limited due to his size.Ironically the Bellas are Latina but they never push that angle.The Matadors check a box, if you know what I mean. (See also R-Truth)Totally... really dilutes everything... The Matadors get on TV once a month, how many PPV's do they do a year, and they have to be on wrestlemania?I'm normally pretty forgiving of the WWE...but this show really missed the mark to me.
- I'm tired of champions losing constantly- I'm tired of the idea that EVERYONE needs to be on Mania (looks like a multi-team tag match)
- I'm tired of the faces swearing and acting like heels during the first hour
Orton really pushed the envelope of TV-PG tonight. If WWE wants to return to more Attitude era stuff, that's fine...but don't label your show TV-PG and family friendly. I'm very close to pulling the plug on letting my kids (6 and 8) watch RAW. I really don't want to comb through RAW and filter it for them the next night, so they might have to down-shift to Main Event and NXT since those are clean shows.
I really hope Mania comes together, but I'm feeling the doubt.
If they relegate the Dust brothers to the pre show I"m gonna be pissed, those guys have earned that match at wrestlemania. And to do it so these jabronis can say they worked mania?
Only if you are some sterotypical goof can you represent a race. Who was the last guy over independnet a racial gimmick? The Rock, who really go OVER in the Nation in the first place
This doesn't even take into account the mess that the Intercontinental match has become.How could anyone not enjoy HHH bringing up Dubya C Dubya (that died 14 years ago) to spark his Sting feud?
/sarcasm
It's really depressing to think about how many times 4 performers (Brock/HHH/Sting/Taker) in the top 4 matches on this card have fought the past 12 months. Outside of Brock, none of these guys are draws whatsoever today. Taker's streak is gone. And so is his draw. Sting/HHH
As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
You can gowho would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Of those I only like Heenan, Austin and Piper. Heenan was brilliant as color comm.You can gowho would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Dusty
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
Actually thinking about it, I'm not sure I'd put The Rock there. Totally forgot about CM Punk, he and Heenan are neck and neck for 3rd.First person to come to mind is Heenan.
Heyman, Flair, and The Rock are definitely the top 3 in order.
Yeah, I always thought The Rock was overrated on the mic. A lot of his stuff was just gibberish. Punk was great on the mic, probably better than Rock. My top-4 in order would be, 1. Flair 2. Heenan 3. Heyman 4. VinceActually thinking about it, I'm not sure I'd put The Rock there. Totally forgot about CM Punk, he and Heenan are neck and neck for 3rd.First person to come to mind is Heenan.
Heyman, Flair, and The Rock are definitely the top 3 in order.
I can't see Hogan or Savage being in the 4th spot...and TBH, I can't see SCSA either. He was well spoken, but a bunch of "GIMME A HELL YEAH"s doesn't quite cut it for me. There has to be the ability to generate a reaction beyond a catchphrase, to advance the storyline. If I'm ranking them:You can gowho would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Dusty
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
Rock and Jericho are no brainer top tier imoActually thinking about it, I'm not sure I'd put The Rock there. Totally forgot about CM Punk, he and Heenan are neck and neck for 3rd.First person to come to mind is Heenan.
Heyman, Flair, and The Rock are definitely the top 3 in order.
Yes, in their documentary section, it was pretty good from what I remember.Are there any Heenan "best of" type things on the network? Whenever I search him, I only find matches
thxYes, in their documentary section, it was pretty good from what I remember.Are there any Heenan "best of" type things on the network? Whenever I search him, I only find matches
Edit:
Beyond the ring section
Link: http://network.wwe.com/video/v33588783
Heenan?who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
The Quintessential Stud Muffin!D in the D said:Flair
Heyman
Rock
tie - Austin, Jericho, and Joel Gertner
The man who is harder than the tree that hit Sonny Bono. Joel I cant help but hurtin'er Gertner.The Quintessential Stud Muffin!D in the D said:Flair
Heyman
Rock
tie - Austin, Jericho, and Joel Gertner
The sexual intellectual.The man who is harder than the tree that hit Sonny Bono. Joel I cant help but hurtin'er Gertner.The Quintessential Stud Muffin!D in the D said:Flair
Heyman
Rock
tie - Austin, Jericho, and Joel Gertner
The Gerner tribute page.The sexual intellectual.The man who is harder than the tree that hit Sonny Bono. Joel I cant help but hurtin'er Gertner.The Quintessential Stud Muffin!D in the D said:Flair
Heyman
Rock
tie - Austin, Jericho, and Joel Gertner
Pillman was amazing, and was probably my favorite wrestling character of all time. If not for injury issues, and unfortunately passing, I think he would have been right there with Austin in the attitude era. Even then, he's basically the godfather of it.I somewhat base my ranking off "talk them into the building" type guys. That's what heyman is doing(even thought the show is sold)
So to that end, I put hogan up there. Can not deny that charisma even if the content lacked. He built a brand that is arguably one of the 3 most mainstream quotable wrestlers (say your prayers, take your vitamins, whatcha gonna do)
Flair has gotten there later in life, stone cold and that's the bottom line is there and I guess I have to put in do you smell what the rock is cooking.
Just behind, ooooooh yeah the macho man.
Hogan and savage almost suffer from overexposure and parody but when you really look at their work in a vacuum it's tremendous. And it DREW.
Dusty and to a lesser extent foley also deserve props for being fat ugly dudes who were over and drew. Really if you guys have never seen the "cane Dewey" promo, go you tube it. Probably the greatest promo in history. The mrs foleys baby boy stuff with jr is also amazing.
Punk belonged on the list in the discussion and so did jericho for his later heel work which was fantastic.
MY Mount Rushmore of talkers:
Brian pillman
Roberts
Flair
Jim cornette
how soon is the Classy one forgotten . Freddie Blassie & even the Cap'n were monsters in their dayTom Servo said:I can't see Hogan or Savage being in the 4th spot...and TBH, I can't see SCSA either. He was well spoken, but a bunch of "GIMME A HELL YEAH"s doesn't quite cut it for me. There has to be the ability to generate a reaction beyond a catchphrase, to advance the storyline. If I'm ranking them:Tier 1 - Flair, HeymanSmack Tripper said:You can goDustyJayrok said:who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?Tom Servo said:As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
Tier 1A - Rock, Dusty, Piper, Jake Roberts, Heenan, Jericho (pick 2 of these 5 and you'd have a solid Mount Rushmore)
Tier 2 - Foley, Savage, Punk
Tier 3 - Austin, Graham, Warrior (if only because of the hilarious nature of his incoherency)
Well then don't forget the grand wizard... Who I see heyman taking the most from in this runhow soon is the Classy one forgotten . Freddie Blassie & even the Cap'n were monsters in their dayTom Servo said:I can't see Hogan or Savage being in the 4th spot...and TBH, I can't see SCSA either. He was well spoken, but a bunch of "GIMME A HELL YEAH"s doesn't quite cut it for me. There has to be the ability to generate a reaction beyond a catchphrase, to advance the storyline. If I'm ranking them:Tier 1 - Flair, HeymanSmack Tripper said:You can goDustyJayrok said:who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?Tom Servo said:As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
Tier 1A - Rock, Dusty, Piper, Jake Roberts, Heenan, Jericho (pick 2 of these 5 and you'd have a solid Mount Rushmore)
Tier 2 - Foley, Savage, Punk
Tier 3 - Austin, Graham, Warrior (if only because of the hilarious nature of his incoherency)
How can't you have Blassie on this list? Loved the Horseman but JJ was along for the ride. big fan of classic Cornette's schtickManagers - Wizard, Heenan, Heyman, Dillon. HMs - Gary and Jimmy Hart, Albano.
I was actually thinking the same thing as I watching this. That whole show had an edge to it that I haven't seen from the company in a while and I liked it. But I am a big Attitude era fan.fred_1_15301 said:The beating that Orton laid down on Rollins was one of the worst I've seen in a while for a face on a heel. I actually felt a little sorry for Rollins (yes I know it's fake).
I think Heenan was the greatest announcer ever.Of those I only like Heenan, Austin and Piper. Heenan was brilliant as color comm.Smack Tripper said:You can goJayrok said:who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold?Tom Servo said:As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Don't forget the Big Show! j/k
Dusty
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
Cornette's a good one and I still think that he could be as good as Heyman turned into if he wouldn't have been so reluctant to change with the industry. I still love listening to Cornette, but sometimes he sounds like a old man "Get off my lawn" type when it comes to his dislike in what wrestling has turned into. Cornette could talk circles around Heyman in the late 80's/early 90's. It's a good testament to Paul on how good he's become since running ECW.I somewhat base my ranking off "talk them into the building" type guys. That's what heyman is doing(even thought the show is sold)
So to that end, I put hogan up there. Can not deny that charisma even if the content lacked. He built a brand that is arguably one of the 3 most mainstream quotable wrestlers (say your prayers, take your vitamins, whatcha gonna do)
Flair has gotten there later in life, stone cold and that's the bottom line is there and I guess I have to put in do you smell what the rock is cooking.
Just behind, ooooooh yeah the macho man.
Hogan and savage almost suffer from overexposure and parody but when you really look at their work in a vacuum it's tremendous. And it DREW.
Dusty and to a lesser extent foley also deserve props for being fat ugly dudes who were over and drew. Really if you guys have never seen the "cane Dewey" promo, go you tube it. Probably the greatest promo in history. The mrs foleys baby boy stuff with jr is also amazing.
Punk belonged on the list in the discussion and so did jericho for his later heel work which was fantastic.
MY Mount Rushmore of talkers:
Brian pillman
Roberts
Flair
Jim cornette
Maybe it's just me, but I've always found Vince annoying from a commentator/announcer standpoint. I'm talking on the level of Eric Bischoff, in the same terms. Now, Vince as the evil owner is a different cat all together. After Montreal til the "Kiss My ###" club, we got to see a side of Vince that was a breathe of fresh air. And then the "Kiss My ###" club turned into a side I didn't want to see at all and he became annoying again.Vince McMahon should probably be in the discussion. Jesse Ventura too.
My favorite Heenan quote might be when HBK threw Jannety through the barber shop window, in a dead serious tone he says something like "did you see that...Jannety jumped right through the window"I think Heenan was the greatest announcer ever.Of those I only like Heenan, Austin and Piper. Heenan was brilliant as color comm.Smack Tripper said:You can goJayrok said:who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold? Don't forget the Big Show! j/kTom Servo said:As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Dusty
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
The Royal Rumble with Flair in it (92?) was comedic genius. One time Pedro Morales saved "Chico" Santana from a beatdown...."Somebody call immigration!"
Couldn't agree more with this.Cornette's a good one and I still think that he could be as good as Heyman turned into if he wouldn't have been so reluctant to change with the industry. I still love listening to Cornette, but sometimes he sounds like a old man "Get off my lawn" type when it comes to his dislike in what wrestling has turned into.I somewhat base my ranking off "talk them into the building" type guys. That's what heyman is doing(even thought the show is sold)
So to that end, I put hogan up there. Can not deny that charisma even if the content lacked. He built a brand that is arguably one of the 3 most mainstream quotable wrestlers (say your prayers, take your vitamins, whatcha gonna do)
Flair has gotten there later in life, stone cold and that's the bottom line is there and I guess I have to put in do you smell what the rock is cooking.
Just behind, ooooooh yeah the macho man.
Hogan and savage almost suffer from overexposure and parody but when you really look at their work in a vacuum it's tremendous. And it DREW.
Dusty and to a lesser extent foley also deserve props for being fat ugly dudes who were over and drew. Really if you guys have never seen the "cane Dewey" promo, go you tube it. Probably the greatest promo in history. The mrs foleys baby boy stuff with jr is also amazing.
Punk belonged on the list in the discussion and so did jericho for his later heel work which was fantastic.
MY Mount Rushmore of talkers:
Brian pillman
Roberts
Flair
Jim cornette
My favorite Heenan quote might be when HBK threw Jannety through the barber shop window, in a dead serious tone he says something like "did you see that...Jannety jumped right through the window"I think Heenan was the greatest announcer ever.Of those I only like Heenan, Austin and Piper. Heenan was brilliant as color comm.Smack Tripper said:You can goJayrok said:who would consider 4th? Jericho comes to mind. Stone Cold? Don't forget the Big Show! j/kTom Servo said:As someone commented at Deadspin, Heyman probably belongs on the Mount Rushmore of mic guys. Definitely him, Flair and the Rock.Tiger Fan said:That might have been Heyman's best work everHeyman...
Dusty
Foley
Piper
Austin
Savage
Hogan
Graham
Heenan
But I would go.... Jake Roberts
The Royal Rumble with Flair in it (92?) was comedic genius. One time Pedro Morales saved "Chico" Santana from a beatdown...."Somebody call immigration!"
Both good performers and decent match, but I disliked the camera work having to watch the match 'behind the cage'. Just didn't come off well for viewing at home IMO.King Cuerno and Johnny Mundo in a cage!