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What is the worst dynasty trade you have been offered? (3 Viewers)
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Cato
Footballguy
I really like the owner who proposed this trade, so maybe he was just hoping for rookie madness to set in, but when I tried to move from 1.06 to 1.04 to get RG3.
The counter to my offer of 1.06 and 2.07 for 1.04,
was
my Mike Wallace, 1.06, 2.06, 2013 2nd rounder for
his 1.04, Ted Ginn.
Uh, ok.
The counter to my offer of 1.06 and 2.07 for 1.04,
was
my Mike Wallace, 1.06, 2.06, 2013 2nd rounder for
his 1.04, Ted Ginn.
Uh, ok.
floods
Footballguy
There's a pretty big drop after 1.05.... but not Mike Wallace big. It does look like he was testing how much you wanted your player, not intended as an insult, maybe just trying to move the middle ground.
Cato
Footballguy
You might be right, though it's a pretty aggressive stance. Ended up with Blackmon at 1.06, which was fine by me.
Im warming up the chicken dinner for this one.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I'm beginnig to think the title of this thread should be changed to "Touchy and Easily "OFENDED" Dynasty Owners Check In Here."
Many of the trades posted are hardly "the worst" or even bad. Some are only bad in retrospect, others are bad because the future is unkown. Last season, before the regular season started nobody would have considered trading someone like B.Wells for Ingram even close to fair - now it's debatable - on both sides.
Here's hint #1: PEOPLE DON'T ALL VALUE PLAYERS THE SAME - THAT'S PART OF THE REASON TRADING IS POSSIBLE.
Hint #2: Not every trade offer is an attempt to insult you/take advantage of you. If you ARE insulted, read hint #1.
I am not trying to kill this thread - but this idea that some of the trade offers in this thread are "unfair" or the "worst ever" is in itself ridiculous. [/rant]
Many of the trades posted are hardly "the worst" or even bad. Some are only bad in retrospect, others are bad because the future is unkown. Last season, before the regular season started nobody would have considered trading someone like B.Wells for Ingram even close to fair - now it's debatable - on both sides.
Here's hint #1: PEOPLE DON'T ALL VALUE PLAYERS THE SAME - THAT'S PART OF THE REASON TRADING IS POSSIBLE.
Hint #2: Not every trade offer is an attempt to insult you/take advantage of you. If you ARE insulted, read hint #1.
I am not trying to kill this thread - but this idea that some of the trade offers in this thread are "unfair" or the "worst ever" is in itself ridiculous. [/rant]
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Well, Davis isn't worth a top 3 pick..
OrangeCurtain
Footballguy
Spoken like someone who consistently offers garbage trades hoping one out of ten gets accepted.Trades that are ridiculously unbalancing, in the opinion of the majority of ffl players or league mates, aand destructive and can contribute to the eventual death of the league so they rightfully should be looked on with scorn and ridicule. Sure some here could have an argument made about being on the realm of reasonable, but most are awful.
BlackMamba24
Footballguy
2009.
willie parker, mark sanchez, and a 2nd round pick
for
aaron rodgers.
i recieved rodgers.
same year:
mike sims walker
for
jamaal charles, 2nd round pick.
willie parker, mark sanchez, and a 2nd round pick
for
aaron rodgers.
i recieved rodgers.
same year:
mike sims walker
for
jamaal charles, 2nd round pick.
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I've had plenty over the years, but these were recent offers in different leagues after our rookie drafts:
I give Doug Martin......I get 2013 1st and 3rd (offered by the guy who beat me in the title game....I was lucky to land the 2nd pick due to preseason trade). So I would be looking at 2 picks at the back of those rounds.
Different league:
I give Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Richardson, Victor Cruz, 2nd rd rookie.........I get Brees, Dione Lewis, and Andre Roberts. Guy told me he wanted Richardson and he would give me Brees (he knows I'm a Saints fan) but it would cost me. No ####! Didn't need Brees to win the title last year and still got the 1st pick.
I give Doug Martin......I get 2013 1st and 3rd (offered by the guy who beat me in the title game....I was lucky to land the 2nd pick due to preseason trade). So I would be looking at 2 picks at the back of those rounds.
Different league:
I give Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Richardson, Victor Cruz, 2nd rd rookie.........I get Brees, Dione Lewis, and Andre Roberts. Guy told me he wanted Richardson and he would give me Brees (he knows I'm a Saints fan) but it would cost me. No ####! Didn't need Brees to win the title last year and still got the 1st pick.
I Get:
Tebow, Tim NYJ QB
Thomas, Pierre NOS RB
Bryant, Dez DAL WR
Hester, Devin CHI WR
Jenkins, Michael MIN WR
Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE
Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.13
I Give:
Mallett, Ryan NEP QB
Jackson, Steven STL RB
Austin, Miles DAL WR
Decker, Eric DEN WR
Moore, Denarius OAK WR
Finley, Jermichael GBP TE
Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.02
Tebow, Tim NYJ QB
Thomas, Pierre NOS RB
Bryant, Dez DAL WR
Hester, Devin CHI WR
Jenkins, Michael MIN WR
Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE
Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.13
I Give:
Mallett, Ryan NEP QB
Jackson, Steven STL RB
Austin, Miles DAL WR
Decker, Eric DEN WR
Moore, Denarius OAK WR
Finley, Jermichael GBP TE
Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.02
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Was just offered this..
I give Rookie 2.10 and Jacquizz Rodgers
I get Rookie 2.09
I give Rookie 2.10 and Jacquizz Rodgers
I get Rookie 2.09
Cato
Footballguy
I think there are largely 3 types of trade offers one is likely not to accept.
1.- the buy low, or low ball offer - merely an opening, savvy traders probably recognize this, like an opening chess move. It's a starting point for discussion, an anchoring point.
2.- fairly equal players, where subjectiveness , can come into play. (we all have different insight and uh, man-crushes)
3. - This thread I believe covers the 3rd kind: I think the trade offers where if you put the shoe on other foot, would have no chance of being accepted. While they are not anything anyone is actually offended by, but more likely if the value gap is so large, the ensuing discussion is not perceived as worth the headache. I do wonder if these are like the "nigerian prince scam" emails, and if you send 100 of them, you get 1 acceptance. I think the downside needs to be considered in the 99 others, they will likely take you less seriously or as someone who only trades when it is **massively** slanted in their favour, so not a door you're going to knock on quite as often. And long term are likely to see less trade activity. If they are completely new to the game, then that's learning curve, if they are trying to hit the scam 1 out of 100, well karma is a beach hopefully.
Trading is definitely the most interesting aspect of Fantasy football, as two people have to agree on a price or valuation of a player, and come to a mutual exchange. Most other decisions are made in a respective vacuum.
1.- the buy low, or low ball offer - merely an opening, savvy traders probably recognize this, like an opening chess move. It's a starting point for discussion, an anchoring point.
2.- fairly equal players, where subjectiveness , can come into play. (we all have different insight and uh, man-crushes)
3. - This thread I believe covers the 3rd kind: I think the trade offers where if you put the shoe on other foot, would have no chance of being accepted. While they are not anything anyone is actually offended by, but more likely if the value gap is so large, the ensuing discussion is not perceived as worth the headache. I do wonder if these are like the "nigerian prince scam" emails, and if you send 100 of them, you get 1 acceptance. I think the downside needs to be considered in the 99 others, they will likely take you less seriously or as someone who only trades when it is **massively** slanted in their favour, so not a door you're going to knock on quite as often. And long term are likely to see less trade activity. If they are completely new to the game, then that's learning curve, if they are trying to hit the scam 1 out of 100, well karma is a beach hopefully.
Trading is definitely the most interesting aspect of Fantasy football, as two people have to agree on a price or valuation of a player, and come to a mutual exchange. Most other decisions are made in a respective vacuum.
Assuming the 2013 1st doesn't project to be in top 3 or 4 picks give me the other side because Cruz in my opinion is the best player in that trade.I offered V. Cruz, P. Garcon, D. Brown & J. Cook for D. Murray and 2013 1st. Owner replied that was the worst offer he had ever received.
I would take the Cruz side in a heartbeat.Assuming the 2013 1st doesn't project to be in top 3 or 4 picks give me the other side because Cruz in my opinion is the best player in that trade.I offered V. Cruz, P. Garcon, D. Brown & J. Cook for D. Murray and 2013 1st. Owner replied that was the worst offer he had ever received.
Here's a couple recent ones in a 14-team dynasty league:
I give: Percy Harvin
I get: 2012 2.12 draft pick, 2012 2.13 draft pick, 2013 2nd round draft pick
I give: AJ Green
I get: DMC, Mario Manningham
and
I give: RGIII, Hakeem Nicks
I get: Andy Dalton, Felix Jones
[i accepted this one cause I need RB help]
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
An offer last year before Jamaal Charles went down:
I give: Jamaal Charles
I get: Mike Sims-Walker, Steve Slaton
I told the owner to never offer for any of my players ever again.
I give: Jamaal Charles
I get: Mike Sims-Walker, Steve Slaton
I told the owner to never offer for any of my players ever again.
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Giving a top 10 dynasty QB and a top 5 dynasty WR surely could land you a better QB & RB combo.... at least a better RB
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
How is RG3 a top 10 dynasty QB?
Riffraff
Footballguy
Didn't you get the memo? The NFL drafted a bunch of Hall of Famers, or at a minimum, All Pros a few weeks ago. /sarcasmHeck, if RG3 can only do as well as Dalton did last year, it would be impressive. Just have to hope it's not Ponder or Gabbert level of play.
That said, I agree that RG3 + Nicks should have been able to net a better RB than a 3rd down back.
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Ask Sigmund Bloom, Jeff Pasquino, Bruce Hammond, Jason Wood, and Jeff Tefertiller; all have him in theier top dynasty QB top 10.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I don't buy the whole low ball offer is "a chess move to try to negotiate. " Offer me something that might gain my interest then we will negotiate.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Agreed. If I get a terrible lowball, I just reject the offer. If it is in the ballpark, I will respond back with reasoning or what else it would take. Lowballs are just insulting.
Instinctive
Footballguy
That's nowhere near the realm of this thread.
I typically play in leagues where people are above lowballing, so if I feel that way I respond with a little incredulity and ask what the other guy was thinking. When he explains his thought process, I tell him how I value all the guys involved and let him know what I'm looking for in return for a guy.It doesn't always lead to a trade, but more than once the conversation has led me to start trying to make a move to improve my team somewhere I hadn't noticed before. Absolutely nothing good comes from simply rejecting or not responding to something. Ever. It's a moronic action to take. Period. Especially when the alternative (begin a dialogue) has zero downside - they're deadset and won't budge from what you perceive to be a bad offer? You are no worse off. May as well see if something good can come of it...
Cato
Footballguy
I guess I'm ok if the lowball is within the strike zone at least. If it's a dirtball, then I agree it doesn't deserve much response. ie offering 75$ for a 100$ item, is lowball. offering 1$ for a 100$ item, is dirtball unrealistic and doesn't deserve much attention. I do try and foster communication with all owners though, as you never know when you might connect on a trade.
I think your'e wrong here and saying it's a "moronic" action to take for simply rejecting a trade is baffling to me. Talking trades takes time. If you're in more than one league and dealing with people who are obviously fishing, then it's almost always simply wasted time. If I get an absolutely awful offer I simply reject. If they follow up asking why I will send a short note, and once in a while it leads to something constructive, but far more often than not these types of players are simply out to rape someone, and I don't have the time or patience to work things out with unreasonable people. For example, a few days ago I was offered Donald Driver and a 3rd round pick for Victor Cruz by a guy who has never one sent me a remotely reasonable offer. I just don't have the time to deal with that. Maybe it's "moronic" from your point of view but I don't view it that way at all. I prefer to spend my time talking trade with reasonable people.
Zimm
Footballguy
I joined a new league and i am new to the development format, but its not much different then regular dynasty besides the fact that rookie picks don't hold as much value:
Give: R.White
Get: 1.9 (Essentially 2.2)Richardson,Luck,Jeffery,Floyd,Blackmon all gone.
Give: D.Bryant, 1.10 (2.3)
Get: S.Smith - Carolina
Give: 2013 1st (1.1-1.4)
Get: T.Moeaki
Give: P.Garcon
Get: 3.9,4.3,R.Jennings
Give: R.White
Get: 1.9 (Essentially 2.2)Richardson,Luck,Jeffery,Floyd,Blackmon all gone.
Give: D.Bryant, 1.10 (2.3)
Get: S.Smith - Carolina
Give: 2013 1st (1.1-1.4)
Get: T.Moeaki
Give: P.Garcon
Get: 3.9,4.3,R.Jennings
Dreamer
Footballguy
Ouch. I hope you were getting the gives.
Zimm
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
And? It's fine if you think so, but no way do I consider him in top 10 without a single game under his belt. Someone else can make that mistake.......and I like him as a prospect.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Case in point. RE: Everyone values players differently, therefore many definitions of "horrible" trade are hardly objective.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Everybody was on Bradford's jock last year or the year before. Now? Not in any of those guys' top 10.The novelty wears off of the shiny and new.Case in point. RE: Everyone values players differently, therefore many definitions of "horrible" trade are hardly objective.
I was in the pool
Footballguy
A.J.Green FOR 2.3 rookie pick
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Guy offered me Sanchez, Boley (crappy lb), 3rd and 4th
for
2 first round picks, a second round pick and Patrick Willis
And this was just a couple of weeks ago, not when someone actually valued Sanchez. Unreal, guy actually called me a bully because I jokingly said it was the worst trade offer I'd ever got and he never wanted to trade with me again. Crazy.
for
2 first round picks, a second round pick and Patrick Willis
And this was just a couple of weeks ago, not when someone actually valued Sanchez. Unreal, guy actually called me a bully because I jokingly said it was the worst trade offer I'd ever got and he never wanted to trade with me again. Crazy.
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doubletrouble
Footballguy
2013 1st and Dallas Clark for Calvin
How I rank fantasy value:1. Patrick Willis2. Earlier 1st Round Pick3. Later 1st Round Pick4. 2nd Round Pick5. 3rd Round Pick6. Michael Boley if he is switched to MLB(not likely)7. 4th Round Pick8. Michael Boley if he stays at WLB9. My longest ### hair.10. My shortest ### hair.11. JaWalrus Russell12. Mark Sanchez
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Wow.... that's something awful.
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Collie, Helu, 3.02
FOR
1.1
FOR
1.1
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Kolb, Hillis, Kuhn
FOR
Decker, 1.5
FOR
Decker, 1.5
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Boldin
FOR
Demaryius Thomas, 1.1
FOR
Demaryius Thomas, 1.1
DoubleG
Footballguy
Here's my point...again...The above was from this very thread last season - the "worst trade ever offered in dynasty". Which side would you rather have been on?Some of the posts in this thread are close, some are short-sighted, and many are just downright close-minded bias disguising as "insulted".
That is awesome.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
looks close to me
Prussian
Footballguy
It's all in perceived value. Some of these are outright funny, but we can't understand every owner's intent.
I just offered Hightower for Lamar Miller (who went at 1.12).
Hightower for 1.12 would have been ridiculous. I absolutely get that. But, Miller is #3 on the depth chart, and the owner is in need of a starting RB (he owns Helu amidst the RBBC mess that will likely ensue). Meanwhile, I own D. Thomas and would like the depth (or aternate starter pending Thomas' sophomore effort) for when Bush inevitably "stubs his toe".
I am sure he still thought it was crazy (maybe I am) ... in fact he responded with a rejction and "LOL Not interested." Ok, no harm done ... I didn't respond.
Point being, there is value to every player on the field and anticipating their worth on a FFL roster is measured a little differently by every FFL owner. But, team startegy is difficult to measure until you pitch "something". Then there is always the pitch-low efforts to see if someone slips up. Regardless, to be offended is a bit shallow. I prefer to see a trend in offers, or at least the banter back and forth during negotiation, to see where an owner is coming from with offers. Most are realistic and just pitching a starting point, others will argue the poor offer as valid and usually aren't worth trying to trade with anyway.
I just offered Hightower for Lamar Miller (who went at 1.12).
Hightower for 1.12 would have been ridiculous. I absolutely get that. But, Miller is #3 on the depth chart, and the owner is in need of a starting RB (he owns Helu amidst the RBBC mess that will likely ensue). Meanwhile, I own D. Thomas and would like the depth (or aternate starter pending Thomas' sophomore effort) for when Bush inevitably "stubs his toe".
I am sure he still thought it was crazy (maybe I am) ... in fact he responded with a rejction and "LOL Not interested." Ok, no harm done ... I didn't respond.
Point being, there is value to every player on the field and anticipating their worth on a FFL roster is measured a little differently by every FFL owner. But, team startegy is difficult to measure until you pitch "something". Then there is always the pitch-low efforts to see if someone slips up. Regardless, to be offended is a bit shallow. I prefer to see a trend in offers, or at least the banter back and forth during negotiation, to see where an owner is coming from with offers. Most are realistic and just pitching a starting point, others will argue the poor offer as valid and usually aren't worth trying to trade with anyway.
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