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Dion Lewis (6 Viewers)

Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Will say this about White -- he looked damned good taking that pass around the end to the house. Great catch, great run, and an incredibly powerful thrust for the score, lowering his pads and seeking contact on the DB coming for him. Clearly knocked the defender back to power into the EZ.

I think BB is going to continue using both White and Lewis depending on game flow and their success. This isn't going to be Dion just being handed the reins.
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S'whut I've been saying.

all the armchair head coaches who think BB is just going to bench one of the top contributors over the course of the season sound delusional.

this is a coach who takes scraps and turns them into 5-star meals - and prides himself on it. He's going to use both backs plenty. And Blount. 

From a RL football perspective, BB has an embarrassment of riches at the position and it gives him a plethora of options to keep defenses off guard. And he will continue to use them all. I agree Lewis' role will increase. But to think BB is going to just bench White is preposterous. 

Always remember: BB hates your fantasy team. 

 
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“Just like riding a bike. I’ve been playing this game along time. I’m just happy to be back out there with my teammates,” Lewis said. “It felt good. I don’t really think about getting hit or not getting hit. I was ready to go. It’s just football as normal. Just going out there and playing football. I’m healthy. There’s nothing else to really think about.”
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Test Run - check

All systems go.  

 
Patriots RB snaps and production against SF (ideal match up)

J Develin FB 34 snaps (44%) 
L Blount RB 34 snaps (44%) 19 rushing attempts 124 yards 6.5 yards/opportunity 3.65 yards/snap
J White RB 24 snaps (31%) 6 targets 6 receptions 63 yards 1 TD 10.5 yards/opportunity 2.63 yards/snap
D Lewis RB 21 snaps (27%) 5 rushing attempts 23 yards 5 targets 3 receptions 26 yards 4.9 yards/opportunity 2.33 yards/snap

 
Biabreakable said:
Patriots RB snaps and production against SF (ideal match up)

J Develin FB 34 snaps (44%) 
L Blount RB 34 snaps (44%) 19 rushing attempts 124 yards 6.5 yards/opportunity 3.65 yards/snap
J White RB 24 snaps (31%) 6 targets 6 receptions 63 yards 1 TD 10.5 yards/opportunity 2.63 yards/snap
D Lewis RB 21 snaps (27%) 5 rushing attempts 23 yards 5 targets 3 receptions 26 yards 4.9 yards/opportunity 2.33 yards/snap
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ideal matchup??  Who do you think this was an ideal matchup for?

49ers suck. 

The ideal matchup for a guy like Lewis is against teams where they need to throw a ton and/or have great run defenses.

 
The 49ers are an ideal match up for any offense going against them. I don't think that requires any further explanation.

If Dion Lewis requires specific circumstances for an ideal match up to be in his favor, then he is only a match up player when those circumstances present themselves.

For all the hype around Lewis (based on a very small sample size of games) I would think his supporters would consider him good in any match up, which the 49ers certainly are/were.

 
Biabreakable said:
The 49ers are an ideal match up for any offense going against them. I don't think that requires any further explanation.

If Dion Lewis requires specific circumstances for an ideal match up to be in his favor, then he is only a match up player when those circumstances present themselves.

For all the hype around Lewis (based on a very small sample size of games) I would think his supporters would consider him good in any match up, which the 49ers certainly are/were.
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:lmao:

I know, I am such a doofus thinking an ideal matchup for a pass catching specialist would be to play against a team that requires a lot of throwing.  GOD I am dumb.

Oh, and by the definition of the word "Ideal", it requires specific circumstances.  Just an FYI

 
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ghostguy123 said:
ideal matchup??  Who do you think this was an ideal matchup for?

49ers suck. 

The ideal matchup for a guy like Lewis is against teams where they need to throw a ton and/or have great run defenses.
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The Jets would be an ideal matchup - Oh, look.

 
The remaining schedule does not favor pounding Blount into the line. 

@NYJ, LA, BAL, @DEN, NYJ

Outside of Denver (who will be getting a lot healthier over the next couple weeks), all of those D lines are tough.

SF was the perfect game for NE to get Lewis' feet wet.

They will need him for this stretch if they want a first round bye.

 
kyoun1e said:
The remaining schedule does not favor pounding Blount into the line. 

@NYJ, LA, BAL, @DEN, NYJ

Outside of Denver (who will be getting a lot healthier over the next couple weeks), all of those D lines are tough.

SF was the perfect game for NE to get Lewis' feet wet.

They will need him for this stretch if they want a first round bye.
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Agreed.  Maybe one more "feel out" week, and then I think Lewis is by far the main pass catching back with maybe 4 carries a game.

High floor, not so super high ceiling type of guy down the stretch. 

 
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I'd wager that BB has some Lewis shenanigans planned for the Jets this week. Jets coming off bye, couldn't really have prepared for Lewis, but could be more prepared for the rest of the Pat's O.

 
RenegadeRoy said:
I'd wager that BB has some Lewis shenanigans planned for the Jets this week. Jets coming off bye, couldn't really have prepared for Lewis, but could be more prepared for the rest of the Pat's O.
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The Jets are an ideal team for a player like Lewis. I expect a very good per game from him this week. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
S'whut I've been saying.

all the armchair head coaches who think BB is just going to bench one of the top contributors over the course of the season sound delusional.

this is a coach who takes scaps and turns them into 5-star meals - and prides himself on it. He's going to use both backs plenty. And Blount. 

From a RL football perspective, BB has an embarrassment of riches at the position and it gives him a plethora of options to keep defenses off guard. And he will continue to use them all. I agree Lewis' role will increase. But to think BB is going to just bench White is preposterous. 

Always remember: BB hates your fantasy team. 
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Meh, white should enjoy his time. Please name one time bb used two cop backs.

 
voiceofunreason said:
Meh, white should enjoy his time. Please name one time bb used two cop backs.
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I can't. But I can name plenty of times BB used unlikely formations, personnel groupings & innovative playcalling. 

I can name plenty of times when BB took scrap heap players and found creative ways to use them in unexpected ways. 

I'm shocked that anyone who saw that game would believe White will go to zero value.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I can't. But I can name plenty of times BB used unlikely formations, personnel groupings & innovative playcalling. 

I can name plenty of times when BB took scrap heap players and found creative ways to use them in unexpected ways. 

I'm shocked that anyone who saw that game would believe White will go to zero value.
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It's not like white will have zero value in real life, but he will have close to zero value for fantasy purposes starting very soon.  I say week 13.  He might get 6-7 touches this week. 

 
Shutout said:
The Jets are an ideal team for a player like Lewis. I expect a very good per game from him this week. 
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If Lewis had been back for a few weeks I would completely agree, but I am still skeptical about THIS week with only one week under his belt so far after the long layoff.

I certainly wouldnt start him yet unless I was pretty strapped for options.

 
ghostguy123 said:
It's not like white will have zero value in real life, but he will have close to zero value for fantasy purposes starting very soon.  I say week 13.  He might get 6-7 touches this week. 
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I'm very skeptical of this. 

I see a RBBC from hell for ROS.

Good luck to those who have shares in it. Looking at the remaining schedule, Blount might be the most valuable going forward. 

 
I'm not really invested in this but I would expect a slow build back to the Dion Lewis show.  When healthy last year he was a match-up nightmare because he was a good runner and receiver.  Blount and White are more one dimensional.  I don't think New England needs to push Lewis into the main role but he will probably be built to it for playoff time.

 
Until things settle out in the AFC West, the Pats have to keep winning to lock up home field throughout the post season (something they do not have at this moment). There is no easing available talent back in to help out later (when "later" could be made much easier by winning "now").

BB cannot be happy with how long it took them to put away the punchless 49ers. If Lewis is healthy (2015 healthy) I would look for him to be heavily involved starting this coming weekend. He brings an intangible to his game that White simply does not have (no knock against White).

Don't get me wrong here... White has played well, but is more of a match-up "bad dream" compared to Lewis' nightmare.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I'm very skeptical of this. 

I see a RBBC from hell for ROS.

Good luck to those who have shares in it. Looking at the remaining schedule, Blount might be the most valuable going forward. 
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In PPR, close call.

In non-PPR, the guy who is leading the league in TDs and has 800 yards rushing on the year may be the most valuable...bold call.

 
Ned Ryerson said:
In PPR, close call.

In non-PPR, the guy who is leading the league in TDs and has 800 yards rushing on the year may be the most valuable...bold call.
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The context being "rest of the season" rather than "the first 10 games without Lewis" makes it slightly more bold, but I appreciate the sarcasm nonetheless. 

;)  

There are only so many touches to go around - Lewis will take a few TDs away down the stretch, as might White. If my theory proves correct that White continues to share receptions/carries with Lewis, then I think Blount takes a hit, just not as much as a Lewis/White timeshare.  I do believe all 3 will play, with Lewis' contributions increasing as the year goes on. 

So yeah - not quite that bold but not as obvious as you suggest since I'm speaking to weeks 12-16, not 1-10. 

 
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How many people feel comfortable starting Lewis this coming week and whom are you starting him over. I am going with him at the moment (might change my mind depending on news as game approaches) over T. West because PPR and because I need the higher ceiling Lewis offers.  It seems like he still has "it" based on the first week back.

 
az_prof said:
How many people feel comfortable starting Lewis this coming week and whom are you starting him over. I am going with him at the moment (might change my mind depending on news as game approaches) over T. West because PPR and because I need the higher ceiling Lewis offers.  It seems like he still has "it" based on the first week back.
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Not starting yet.  Desperately hoping he shows something soon to overtake Freeman as my RB#2, but will not pull the trigger before I need to/see something startable.

 
Bull Dozier said:
Not starting yet.  Desperately hoping he shows something soon to overtake Freeman as my RB#2, but will not pull the trigger before I need to/see something startable.
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This with me, as well. Need to see him get more and then sustain the level of touches and start producing with them before I slot him in over other RBs who have a clearer history of producing (Lat Murray, Booker, Ware, even Dixon). 

I do think that Lewis will be an invaluable start come fantasy playoffs.

 
az_prof said:
How many people feel comfortable starting Lewis this coming week and whom are you starting him over. I am going with him at the moment (might change my mind depending on news as game approaches) over T. West because PPR and because I need the higher ceiling Lewis offers.  It seems like he still has "it" based on the first week back.
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Starting Lewis in PPR in flex slot over the likes of Cole Beasley, Powell, White, and Gillislee (unless Shady sits then he's an easy plug and play). Have Hill and DJ as starting RBs

 
az_prof said:
How many people feel comfortable starting Lewis this coming week and whom are you starting him over. I am going with him at the moment (might change my mind depending on news as game approaches) over T. West because PPR and because I need the higher ceiling Lewis offers.  It seems like he still has "it" based on the first week back.
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Considering starting Lewis AND White over Martin and Powell.  

 
My RB's are Ingram, Mathews, Lewis and DJ (DUKE Johnson :)). As of right now I'm starting Lewis and Johnson. Oh, I also own Luck, AJ Green and Hilton. I'm thinking of putting in a claim for Smallwood but it might not be worth it. It's a good week to be playing me. 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
This with me, as well. Need to see him get more and then sustain the level of touches and start producing with them before I slot him in over other RBs who have a clearer history of producing (Lat Murray, Booker, Ware, even Dixon). 

I do think that Lewis will be an invaluable start come fantasy playoffs.
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I'm in the same boat.

I absolutely hate my current options:Booker, Ingram/Hightower, L. Murray, K. Dixon -- but I can't pull the trigger on starting Lewis.

 
Thinking of starting Lewis over Ware in a league where this is the first week of the playoffs. Ware hasn't done much since week 7. I am the underdog and need a home run.

 
brun said:
Thinking of starting Lewis over Ware in a league where this is the first week of the playoffs. Ware hasn't done much since week 7. I am the underdog and need a home run.
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Bad idea, imo. Ware is the workhorse and has a better chance of being that home run you seek. 

 
brun said:
Thinking of starting Lewis over Ware in a league where this is the first week of the playoffs. Ware hasn't done much since week 7. I am the underdog and need a home run.
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Rhythmdoctor said:
Bad idea, imo. Ware is the workhorse and has a better chance of being that home run you seek. 
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I'm in the same boat, but until I see Lewis run wild in the open field and scoring TD's I'm sticking with Ware. I'm concerned with Ware, but gonna ride him and hope he comes through this week!

 
Rotoworld reporting that Gronk isn't expected to play.

Stiff D-line that can slow down Blount. Tough division opponent on the road. After a win in SF where NE looked inefficient at best.

Good spot for Lewis.

 
kyoun1e said:
Rotoworld reporting that Gronk isn't expected to play.

Stiff D-line that can slow down Blount. Tough division opponent on the road. After a win in SF where NE looked inefficient at best.

Good spot for Lewis.
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And:

* in Blount's only game against the NYJ last season he only had 12% of the snaps.

* NE has thrown 70.5% of the time the last two seasons.

 
kyoun1e said:
And:

* in Blount's only game against the NYJ last season he only had 12% of the snaps.

* NE has thrown 70.5% of the time the last two seasons.
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Good stuff.  Looks like I'll be between Blount Lewis and Moncrief in a flex spot.  Hard to bench Blount and his production YTD, but the trend you illustrated is impossible to ignore.

 
davearm said:
Good stuff.  Looks like I'll be between Blount Lewis and Moncrief in a flex spot.  Hard to bench Blount and his production YTD, but the trend you illustrated is impossible to ignore.
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Moncrief listed as limited in practice Wed with hammy, and Luck out for the game. Buyer beware. I think I'm playing Kenny Britt over him and Lewis

 
I can't help but think the people making statements about seeing Lewis getting more carries aren't in PPR leagues.

Personally, I was thrilled seeing Lewis get 5 targets in his first game back. in a full PPR league, I don't care if Lewis only gets 3-5 carries a game as long as his targets in the passing game are there.

 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
I can't help but think the people making statements about seeing Lewis getting more carries aren't in PPR leagues.

Personally, I was thrilled seeing Lewis get 5 targets in his first game back. in a full PPR league, I don't care if Lewis only gets 3-5 carries a game as long as his targets in the passing game are there.
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Because from your perspective, any rushing yards and TDs are gravy that other "3rd down" backs won't necessarily give you. Plus, I like how now NE can run both White and Lewis out there: both can run routes or they can run Lewis or they can play action; lots of options. Lastly, if Blount goes down, then Lewis will be a decent handcuff in the running game...

That's why the carries are important in my mind.

 
MindBomb said:
Plus, I like how now NE can run both White and Lewis out there: both can run routes or they can run Lewis or they can play action; lots of options.
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Were both in the backfield simultaneously last weekend? Forget about fantasy -- I'd like to see the plays they could run out of that set just from a football enjoyment perspective.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Were both in the backfield simultaneously last weekend? Forget about fantasy -- I'd like to see the plays they could run out of that set just from a football enjoyment perspective.
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I think for a few (2-3) plays; this week we might see more...

Here's one play:

https://m.flickr.com/photos/96786425@N06/31242142335/sizes/m/?xajax=1

To be honest, I just like watching the kid play football too. Dion's the king at making defenders grab air and I'm happy to see he's back at it!

https://gfycat.com/AdoredAnotherAustraliancurlew

https://gfycat.com/AchingFrankAnkolewatusi

 
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Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Were both in the backfield simultaneously last weekend? Forget about fantasy -- I'd like to see the plays they could run out of that set just from a football enjoyment perspective.
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I'm pretty sure I saw both Lewis and White flanking Brady in the backfield at the same time at least once last week.  Can't wait for Gronk, Bennett, Lewis, White and Edelman all on the field at the same time.

 
MindBomb said:
I think for a few (2-3) plays; this week we might see more...

Here's one play:

https://m.flickr.com/photos/96786425@N06/31242142335/sizes/m/?xajax=1

To be honest, I just like watching the kid play football too. Dion's the king at making defenders grab air and I'm happy to see he's back at it!

https://gfycat.com/AdoredAnotherAustraliancurlew

https://gfycat.com/AchingFrankAnkolewatusi
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Thanks for posting that pic -- almost looks like a play to isolate White in the right flat. I think they could do a lot out of that pro set, and probably a few other formations. Would be exciting to see.

 
Those side cuts where he is kinda leaning the wrong way are Barry like to watch.. or Ginobli's euro-step.  Awkwardly awesome.   :thumbup:

 
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