Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
4 for 40 as he slowly knocks the rust off. I love the kid in Dynasty.
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Dorial Green-Beckham (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Watching this guy last night. He just looks physically dominant. If he works on getting off of the line and getting into his routes, he's just such a big target. Like RN said, he owned that eight-yard out with Mettenberger in the game. I think a lot of teams are going to regret passing on this guy, including the Patriots and Jets.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
He's already doing better than I expected. Not going to be this year but by year 3 I firmly believe he will be a top 5 dynasty asset.
corpcow
Footballguy
No, that's not quite what an ad hominem attack means.
In any case, what mquinn asked for and I think is reasonable, is why we should consider a statement of opinion like that. Without any actual analysis, credibility and authority doesn't make it true or false (that's a logical fallacy as well). However, I'm going to believe Jerry Rice or Tim Brown or Matt Waldman or Sigmund Bloom or someone else who spends a lot of time analyzing players vs. a local fan who happened to post something on Twitter.
SO yes, when we're talking about opinion, credentials and credibility does matter.
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I just took DGB with the 8th pick in the SECOND rd of my rookie draft. Was shocked he was sitting there. Funchess went before him.
I guess his checkered past is priced in. But I couldn't resist taking him there.
I do believe that the cream rises to the top. I'm not a believe in justin hunter. I tried to believe in him last year. He was pitiful. Dreadful. I don't think the Titans drafted DGB in the second round to watch him rot on the bench. Especially with the way many rookie wrs have been acclimating so quickly to the NFL these days.
I can totally see them working him in gradually and then as a full time starter (assuming his limited play warrants it) by mid-season. And then his fantasy owners will be treated to an absolute BEAST. Similar to mike Evans from last year.
I guess his checkered past is priced in. But I couldn't resist taking him there.
I do believe that the cream rises to the top. I'm not a believe in justin hunter. I tried to believe in him last year. He was pitiful. Dreadful. I don't think the Titans drafted DGB in the second round to watch him rot on the bench. Especially with the way many rookie wrs have been acclimating so quickly to the NFL these days.
I can totally see them working him in gradually and then as a full time starter (assuming his limited play warrants it) by mid-season. And then his fantasy owners will be treated to an absolute BEAST. Similar to mike Evans from last year.
Faust
MVP
Titans hope for chances to find Dorial Green-Beckham in red zone:
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/15595/titans-hope-for-chances-to-find-dorial-green-beckham-in-red-zone
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/15595/titans-hope-for-chances-to-find-dorial-green-beckham-in-red-zone
Faust
MVP
McCourty: Titans WR Dorial Green-Beckham is a 'beast'
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000520608/article/mccourty-titans-wr-dorial-greenbeckham-is-a-beast
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000520608/article/mccourty-titans-wr-dorial-greenbeckham-is-a-beast
He does seem like an intriguing late round flier. He's big and fast.
I worry though about this offense. But he could be a great pickup for second half of the season when he and the team hopefully get some things figured out.
Right now, I think I'd put the other lottery ticket rookie receivers ahead of him - DeVante Parker (despite injury), Breshad Perriman (despite injury), Phillip Dorsett, Ty Montgomery. But I think he's one to keep an eye on.
I worry though about this offense. But he could be a great pickup for second half of the season when he and the team hopefully get some things figured out.
Right now, I think I'd put the other lottery ticket rookie receivers ahead of him - DeVante Parker (despite injury), Breshad Perriman (despite injury), Phillip Dorsett, Ty Montgomery. But I think he's one to keep an eye on.
Care to rank them in order, throwing in Latimer, Lockett, and Brandon Coleman, for potential WR1 or WR2 splash in redraft this season?
I'm actually having some trouble myself. A bunch of these guys are available on the wire (except Parker of course) but I haven't pulled the trigger yet to drop DGB. I love his size and athleticism, and I feel like if I drop him he's going to get his opportunity and blow up.gliz said:
Thought about this more and have had a slight change of heart. I think I'd rank them:
Parker (played a bit yesterday so looks encouraging)
Dorsett (Luck throwing ball, going to win WR3 job, but even then will probably split with Moncrief)
Montgomery (seems to have gained Rodgers' trust and will be the WR3)
DGB (I'm still trying to believe)
Perriman (great potential, but the guy is still injured)
Coleman (Colston's backup? Only a situational player?)
Latimer (technically not a rookie, preseason reports not glowing)
Lockett (sounds like main contribution on special teams so far)
Tweet pasted in cut thread. If the Titans truly do keep just four WRs that will bode very very well for DGB. With Douglas, Wright, and him that only leaves one spot that's debatable
I would guess Hunter because of a great camp but Whis hasn't been a fan.
I would imagine with McBride(in this scenario, if it happens) and Turzilli cut they are going to try to get them on PS. Then they'd have 6
Also suggested Nicks is signed back in a week so it's not guaranteed.
Regardless, I think you've got a few hours before DGBs value skyrockets. If the other guy isn't Hunter, he's their only tall WR. I'd really try and make a trade right away in FF
I would guess Hunter because of a great camp but Whis hasn't been a fan.
I would imagine with McBride(in this scenario, if it happens) and Turzilli cut they are going to try to get them on PS. Then they'd have 6
Also suggested Nicks is signed back in a week so it's not guaranteed.
Regardless, I think you've got a few hours before DGBs value skyrockets. If the other guy isn't Hunter, he's their only tall WR. I'd really try and make a trade right away in FF
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Bri thanks for the insight but wr4 on Titans don't hold much Appeal. Who he overtaking to be wr3 or wr2 (gulp)?
TripItUp
Footballguy
Yeah, probably need to be at least WR2 in this offense to be redraft relevant this year.
Last year's stats are not going to show a come from behind pass a lot offense; they didn't do that and people are expecting the same with just new guys plugged in.
Their only goal is to show off that arm and make some $ off Mariota. If he gets hurt, a bigger arm and lesser head comes in.
I think Calvin's rookie stats are fine here-48 for 756 four TDs and maybe more TDs because I can't really understand how Calvin only gets four.
That's 3 receptions per game and some deep routes(which they regularly run to the "big" WR spot) to increase average #s
Calvin was 36th ranked WR at that rate. 750 is very average BTW
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCa00.htm
I think short leash.
His ADP for PPR is 18th round between Justin Blackmon(ugh yes) and Chris Johnson
http://football23.myfantasyleague.com/2015/adp?COUNT=300&POS=*&CUTOFF=5&L=35512&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=0&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=
That's last pick or just before K and D for many people.
He's a definite pick there. Start or not, he'll play a ton week 1. We don't have a big WR spot we just play a 6-5, 6-4, and 6-3 guy there is something I am not "buying."
If he does good, gold. If he has many drops and goofs on routes like he has done, he's an 18th rounder you were probably dumping him to get WW fodder anyhow.
Sometimes these last chance guys fit nicely on draft day. I really don't see anyone with as high upside AND as easy to predict (to makeup a fantasy term) dump him-ness in the 18th. Does Whis have smoke coming out of his ears...alrighty then onto the WW.
I have 8000 issues with Hunter in the tenth or most any other round, but last genuine pick I think he's nice there
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
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zamboni
Footballguy
Dorial Green-Beckham - WR - Titans
Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt said he is "counting on" WRs Dorial Green-Beckham and Justin Hunter.
The Titans are being forced to count on the two athletic but unproven talents because Hunter and DGB are two of only four wide receivers currently on the roster. Hunter has already proven he is unreliable, but Green-Beckham showed well in the preseason and should open the year with a considerable role on offense. Green-Beckham should be owned in all leagues.
Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt said he is "counting on" WRs Dorial Green-Beckham and Justin Hunter.
The Titans are being forced to count on the two athletic but unproven talents because Hunter and DGB are two of only four wide receivers currently on the roster. Hunter has already proven he is unreliable, but Green-Beckham showed well in the preseason and should open the year with a considerable role on offense. Green-Beckham should be owned in all leagues.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
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Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Can only mean good things if the Titans are counting on him and Hunter, because we all know what Hunter's capable of.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Guy has done everything right. Get him in dynasty now it will be too late pretty soon.
From your mouth...to the fantasy gods ears!!
Nobody wanted him in my rookie draft. I got him in the 2nd round. Was totally elated. Dude HS the measurables to be the next megaton.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'm a believer and was an owner in a couple devy leagues until I sold him recently. But the part I bolded really isn't true. He's a lot of things, but to specifically say he has the measurables to be the next Megatron isn't true.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
No. Two out of three isn't bad, but I just don't like to see the myth perpetuated that physically he's a Calvin clone or anything. Expectations need to be kept realistic. He could be great, but he'll be different from Calvin.
Calvin 40: 4.35
DGB 40: 4.49
Calvin vertical: 42.5
DGB: 33.5
Calvin broad: 139"
DGB: 120"
That's right. Calvin was more than .1 faster in the 40, jumped almost an entire foot higher, and outjumped him in the broad by 1.5 feet.
The speed and explosion numbers aren't even close between the two. Just setting the record straight.
Huh...good to know. I was just going by what I read about him in other "expert" analysis.
Well nonethess he is still a huge guy and has beastly potential. Would you say mike Evans is a better comparison?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I would say a less technical/polished AJ Green is a better comparison, if you want to look at an elite but realistic ceiling. DGB has the potential to be a much more physical presence approaching the level of Evans, maybe with more straight line speed, but he has yet to consistently harness the full potential of his size and weight. He's more finesse right now, like if Justin Hunter had been heavier and had hands.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Justin Hunter is faster and a better athlete than DGB, he's just Ashley Lelie. I don't think Justin Hunter has ever been a target hog or ran a bunch of slant routes. While DGB's college stats don't show a huge market share, his college game seems like it fits that role if he plays up to his talent level. Colston and Marshall are also valid "upside" comparables if you want.
Did he even see the field? I was waffling between him, Phillip Dorsett, and Tyler Lockett for a lottery ticket WR on the end of my bench. Dorsett looks like he has opportunity now with Hilton injured, and Lockett looks great. Perhaps I chose poorly.
Surprised that with all the scoring chances, I don't think he was once in the game in the red zone. What happened to all the preseason talk about being a red zone weapon?
Surprised that with all the scoring chances, I don't think he was once in the game in the red zone. What happened to all the preseason talk about being a red zone weapon?
Paul Kuharsky @PaulKuharskyNFL 4m4 minutes ago
WR Dorial Green-Beckham played nine of 59 snaps on offense for the #Titans in Tampa Bay. Hunter 34, Douglas 29, Wright 25.
WR Dorial Green-Beckham played nine of 59 snaps on offense for the #Titans in Tampa Bay. Hunter 34, Douglas 29, Wright 25.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Obviously he was kept in the garage. He's a potential guy.
Spookytooth
Footballguy
Just traded jordan reed for him in dynasty straight up. Hoping he becomes gold.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
This guy have value in redraft with the rise of mariota?
Dropped from several squads after last week and i'm WR hungry. Would rather grab him before he has a big game, but don't see much news on how much they want to get him involved.
Dropped from several squads after last week and i'm WR hungry. Would rather grab him before he has a big game, but don't see much news on how much they want to get him involved.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Yeah, I would put minimal, if any stock from a redraft perspective. I think he's a guy who will end up with 5 or 600 yards his rookie year, with elite long-term prospects. As it is, I don't think he really does anything of importance until the second half of the year.
Was looking for a usual game to predict from. 16 passes doesn't really cut it. Hunter got a key PI penalty to setup a score but otherwise didn't do anything too too much. He had more snaps than any WR and I'd have liked to have seen some production there. Ideal may be to have DGB sit and learn and only play the 10 some odd plays he did but Hunter struggling (if he does) is probably the key to more DGB action.
Hunter can play out of the slot. DGB doesn't even know the plays there as per Whis' press conference joke.
Otherwise, they play the same spot.
Rookie Hunter was outstanding at high pointing the ball. One of the better WRs in the league at just that. Every coach that ever coached a sport would have said he didn't want it last year. There was no determination to wrestle or fight for the ball. It was so obvious and bad. This was a huge huge point with Whis (and one Kuharsky mentions kind of often) last year and this summer.
DGB could be even better than Hunter was as a rook, he could be Calvin-esque sky's the limit in the lone quality of getting high balls.
If I'm following Whis right- Hunter catching a few won't hold much weight, but if he gives this half effort on a lob DGB could get his job the very next snap. This rrrrreally irks Whisenhunt and is such a major pet peeve.
It'll take a while with limited opportunities to beat Hunter out in-season. Whether practice or the game, it doesn't seem like DGB even has much opportunity to. However, it'll be real easy and real quick if Hunter gives a poor effort.
Ideal for the Titans is that both succeed and good luck matching up with two tall fast guys outside and speedy Kendall in the slot, but there's this "air" that Hunter will fail that hasn't really gone away. Hunter was the best WR in camp and (short of bs assault charge) a good good boy studying and staying late and all that yet somehow that air of failure still exists.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could drop DGB in redraft and predict when to pick him up just by watching Hunter
