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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

TLEF316:

You find someone raping a child, you go straight to the police station. (After you remove the kid from the situation, by force if necessary) You don't go home, consult with your father, tell your boss the next morning and just assume it will be taken care of.

He's obviously not the main villain here, but he's a coward and shares blame. It would have ended that day if he hadn't been such a #####
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I don't think you can just assume that it would have ended if McQueary had stepped in.

I mean, let's say McQueary ran into the shower. Then what? What if Sandusky said "Oh, nothing to see here, just taking a shower."? And what if McQueary called the cops, the cops investigated, and Sandusky and the victim both told the cops that it was just an innocent shower and that the "slapping sound" was all in McQueary's mind? And let's say JoePa and the PSU admins both vouched for Sandusky during the investigation? You really think it would have ended?

 
shader said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I don't have to wonder. Christ, that poor guy never stood a chance. 
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I disagree with this strongly.  What if Jerry Sandusky was abused as a kid?  Does that mean HE never stood a chance?  

Once you're an adult, you're responsible.  If this info is true, Jeffrey Sandusky is a dirtbag, end of story.
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:confused:  Steady wasn't saying he's not responsible. Just recognizing we know people who are molested have a high probability of being molesters.

 
LAUNCH said:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/13/jerry-sanduskys-son-arrested-for-child-sex-assault/

Jerry Sandusky’s son arrested for child sex assault

The adopted son of Jerry Sandusky – former Penn State University football coach convicted of child sex abuse – has been arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a child.

WTAJ reported that Jeffrey Sandusky, 41, was arraigned Monday in Bellefonte. Pennsylvania State Police launched an investigation in November 2016 after a child claiming to have gotten text messages from Sandusky, including some that requested naked photographs, according to the report.

Sandusky had been dating the child’s mother and lived in her home for about five years, WTAJ.com reports.

In August, Jerry Sandusky took the stand to deny the child molestation charges he was convicted in 2012 and said it wasn’t his idea to waive his right to testify during the sensational trial.

He’s currently serving 30 to 60 years in prison.
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Not cool.

 
Christo said:
:confused:  Steady wasn't saying he's not responsible. Just recognizing we know people who are molested have a high probability of being molesters.
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He literally said "that poor guy never stood a chance".

I disagree that he deserves sympathy (by calling him a poor guy) and that he never stood a chance.

 
shader said:
He literally said "that poor guy never stood a chance".

I disagree that he deserves sympathy (by calling him a poor guy) and that he never stood a chance.
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And the truth is, he never did stand a chance. He was abused to such an extent that the likelihood of him becoming an abuser was almost guaranteed. He is not responsible for how he got that way, but he IS responsible for his actions. It's the crime that perpetuates itself. We don't like to talk about it, so it's buried & the victims become the predators due to extreme psychological/emotional trauma. Without treatment, there is little chance to break the cycle. 

 
[scooter] said:
This kind of slipped under the radar, but Spanier, Schultz and Curley were all sentenced to 2-3 months in jail last week, followed by house arrest.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-penn-state-officials-sentencing-sandusky-scandal-20170602-story.html

The judge did not have kind words for Paterno or McQueary, either. ("[Paterno] could have made that phone call without so much as getting his hands dirty. Why he didn't is beyond me.").
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Still surprised that the Statute of Limitations had not run on this as their actions occurred in 2001 IRC.

 
Can the directors just work the "...don't talk..." lines from Scent of a Woman into the PSU documentary so that Pacino can go "oooaaaa!" after everything? TIA.

 
well brohans i guess it will be all about how they make the movie if it is like spotlight where they make it about unearthing the cover up and crap that happened then good on them if they make it sometype of a fairytale that just deeafies paterno then to hell with all of them take that to the bank bromigos 

 
mquinnjr said:
Can the directors just work the "...don't talk..." lines from Scent of a Woman into the PSU documentary so that Pacino can go "oooaaaa!" after everything? TIA.
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My PSU buddies have been using prior Pacino dialogue as lines in the movie. can't share...don't want to be banned.

 
Jeffrey Sandusky pleads guilty to 14 counts of child sexual abuse

Jeffrey Sandusky, the son of convicted sex abuser and former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky, pleaded guilty Friday to all 14 counts of child sexual abuse against him.

The Centre Country district attorney's office said the younger Sandusky, 41, entered the guilty pleas a week before his trial was scheduled to begin.

The 14 counts included soliciting sex from a child younger than 16 and soliciting child pornography.

According to the district attorney's office, Sandusky will become a Tier III sex offender, the highest level in Pennsylvania.

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I have a nephew going to Penn State, and it's all I can do to not lay into that damn school every time we have a family dinner.

 
Dragons said:
TLDR?
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PSU linebacker was a psychopath and serial rapist in the 70s.

I didn't finish it to see if there was any recourse from Paterno and the university about the rapes. earlier in the article, the same LB had broken into a record store and been suspended from the team for a full year... so I'd guess rape charges would bring something worse.

 
El Floppo said:
PSU linebacker was a psychopath and serial rapist in the 70s.

I didn't finish it to see if there was any recourse from Paterno and the university about the rapes. earlier in the article, the same LB had broken into a record store and been suspended from the team for a full year... so I'd guess rape charges would bring something worse.
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There is a lengthy piece about one of his victims that he was never formally charged for. GF of another player and one that Paterno allegedly called her and essentially attempted to get her to move on instead of becoming another Betsy (original victim).

 
Hawks64 said:
There is a lengthy piece about one of his victims that he was never formally charged for. GF of another player and one that Paterno allegedly called her and essentially attempted to get her to move on instead of becoming another Betsy (original victim).
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I read a little more...

he was found guilty of that rape... and released on bail. not sent straight to jail the way they apparently do with everybody else. reading very much between the lines, because he was football player at PSU (some of his teammates came to the trial).

he then went home to long island and immediately committed a long string of horrible sexual assaults and rape.

 
El Floppo said:
I read a little more...

he was found guilty of that rape... and released on bail. not sent straight to jail the way they apparently do with everybody else. reading very much between the lines, because he was football player at PSU (some of his teammates came to the trial).

he then went home to long island and immediately committed a long string of horrible sexual assaults and rape.
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He was found guilty for raping Betsy but not Karen, wasn't even charged based on the article. She's the one that Paterno allegedly called and was hoping she would move on and not be another Betsy.

But 43 years later, what Karen remembers most is the sense she had that the police were investigating her as much as they were investigating what happened to her: "And basically what came out of it was that they told me they didn't have enough information to go to court. And that's what I heard from everyone involved in this: not enough evidence. They had evidence."
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Hawks64 said:
He was found guilty for raping Betsy but not Karen, wasn't even charged based on the article. She's the one that Paterno allegedly called and was hoping she would move on and not be another Betsy.
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yeah... that's the Paterno direct connection, along with advising players to testify or not (but apparently said to always tell the truth).

I was pointing out that the local judge did something the prosecutor (who since took over the same seat the judge occupied) had never seen or heard of- letting a convicted rapist out on bail immediately after his conviction. the article never says it explicitly or even implicitly... but again- reading between the lines- I got the implication from the reporting that something was up with this particular case that wouldn't send the kid straight to jail and not home while awaiting sentencing... and considering the scope of the article, I got the implication it was because of the power of the PSU and Joe P reputation.

it was then that he went on a continued rape spree... all victims that would have been spared if he had been sent straight to jail after his conviction.

 
El Floppo said:
I read a little more...

he was found guilty of that rape... and released on bail. not sent straight to jail the way they apparently do with everybody else. reading very much between the lines, because he was football player at PSU (some of his teammates came to the trial).

he then went home to long island and immediately committed a long string of horrible sexual assaults and rape.
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And then killed a guy. 

 
The decision to release some of these monsters is mind boggling to me.  I lean very left and liberal, but my god, I'd rather we execute these sacks of scum on the spot than house them in a revolving door where they can ruin the lives of innocent people again and again.  

I know we're supposed to be a beacon of freedom and liberty and blah blah blah, but I'd not lose a second of sleep seeing guys like this drown in a lake of lava.

 
You know what else boggles me?  The fact that this guy had a girlfriend after he got out of prison for his rape sprees.  Or people who get married to prisoners on death row.  I could live 10 more lifetimes and not comprehend that one.

Sorry for the tangent.  Neat football program, Penn State.

 
El Floppo said:
yeah... that's the Paterno direct connection, along with advising players to testify or not (but apparently said to always tell the truth).

I was pointing out that the local judge did something the prosecutor (who since took over the same seat the judge occupied) had never seen or heard of- letting a convicted rapist out on bail immediately after his conviction. the article never says it explicitly or even implicitly... but again- reading between the lines- I got the implication from the reporting that something was up with this particular case that wouldn't send the kid straight to jail and not home while awaiting sentencing... and considering the scope of the article, I got the implication it was because of the power of the PSU and Joe P reputation.

it was then that he went on a continued rape spree... all victims that would have been spared if he had been sent straight to jail after his conviction.
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To be fair, they just imply that the local judge did it because of PSU football connections. But Hodne was already kicked off the team. And the story states that Paterno told the players who were testifying that Hodne was guilty and any player trying to protect him in testifying for him would be kicked off the team. One player did just that and Paterno kicked him off the team. 

So it doesn't seem likely there was pressure from Penn State or Paterno on the judge. 

Frankly, as a PSU alum, it doesn't read nearly as badly for Penn State as I expected. Paterno sounds like any controlling, powerful coach, trying to keep the image of the program clean but cutting bait when it was warranted. I just wish he had cut bait with Sandusky, of course. 

And stories like this are "great" because they expose what terrible things have happened in the past and that helps ensure that societal norms won't let these things continue to happen in the future. 

 
FWIW, here is the part of the story about the players at the trial:

"It was short," Ptak says of his conversation with his coach. "It was, 'Joe, we got subpoenaed; what are we going to do?' He goes, 'Well, you got to tell the truth the best you can.' And that was it." Capozzoli's conversation was different, as was his relationship with Paterno. As the son of a coach himself, Capozzoli often bridled at Paterno's authority, and he says he "wasn't afraid of him." Paterno sometimes called him a "wise guy from Long Island." In his office that day, Capozzoli recalls that Paterno didn't mince words. "So right off the bat, he says, 'Todd Hodne is guilty, and if you testify for him, you're off the team,'" Capozzoli says. "So I said, 'Look, Joe'—I laughed at him. I said, 'The guy's got a million girlfriends. Maybe he dumped her and she got mad.' I said, 'I'm just going to tell the truth.' I never took what he said to heart. I testified and went home for a few days, and when I get back, my room key doesn't work. All my s--- is gone; somebody moved it. I've been moved down to this place we called the barracks, in the basement of the gym. He goes, 'You still have your scholarship; you can go to school. But you're off the team.' Isn't that, like, jury tampering? Isn't that a criminal act? But there's no recourse. What are you gonna do?"

 
ConstruxBoy said:
To be fair, they just imply that the local judge did it because of PSU football connections. But Hodne was already kicked off the team. And the story states that Paterno told the players who were testifying that Hodne was guilty and any player trying to protect him in testifying for him would be kicked off the team. One player did just that and Paterno kicked him off the team. 

So it doesn't seem likely there was pressure from Penn State or Paterno on the judge. 

Frankly, as a PSU alum, it doesn't read nearly as badly for Penn State as I expected. Paterno sounds like any controlling, powerful coach, trying to keep the image of the program clean but cutting bait when it was warranted. I just wish he had cut bait with Sandusky, of course. 

And stories like this are "great" because they expose what terrible things have happened in the past and that helps ensure that societal norms won't let these things continue to happen in the future. 
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I don't disagree but after the Sandusky stuff I don't think you can give JoePa any benefit of the doubt.  I think at a minimum it's fair to say that JoePa either intentionally or subconsciously turned a blind eye to some very heinous actions and people because it would impact him and his team.  I found the most damning part of what I read* to be the phone call to the girl and her stating that she felt as though she was being pressured.

*I didn't read all of it, that's just way TL;DR

 
ConstruxBoy said:
To be fair, they just imply that the local judge did it because of PSU football connections. But Hodne was already kicked off the team. And the story states that Paterno told the players who were testifying that Hodne was guilty and any player trying to protect him in testifying for him would be kicked off the team. One player did just that and Paterno kicked him off the team. 

So it doesn't seem likely there was pressure from Penn State or Paterno on the judge. 

Frankly, as a PSU alum, it doesn't read nearly as badly for Penn State as I expected. Paterno sounds like any controlling, powerful coach, trying to keep the image of the program clean but cutting bait when it was warranted. I just wish he had cut bait with Sandusky, of course. 

And stories like this are "great" because they expose what terrible things have happened in the past and that helps ensure that societal norms won't let these things continue to happen in the future. 
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totally agree across the board.

 
AAABatteries said:
I don't disagree but after the Sandusky stuff I don't think you can give JoePa any benefit of the doubt.  I think at a minimum it's fair to say that JoePa either intentionally or subconsciously turned a blind eye to some very heinous actions and people because it would impact him and his team.  I found the most damning part of what I read* to be the phone call to the girl and her stating that she felt as though she was being pressured.

*I didn't read all of it, that's just way TL;DR
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Two very fair points of course. I will say that in the aftermath of the Sandusky scandal I did try reading up and "researching" the motivation/actions of these monsters. I wish I had saved more of the articles as bookmarks, but then again, maybe I'm glad I did not. But the two things that really stood out to me:

1) These predators aren't really trying to fool the kids. The kids catch on quickly. They're trying to fool the adults. And they are generally very, very good at it. There are many stories of parents not even believing their kids because Mr. So and So is just so nice/helpful/whatever. It's heartbreaking. 

2) Most well adjusted adults cannot believe that someone they know well, are friends with, are family members, etc. can be one of these monsters. They just literally can't believe it so they almost subconsciously ignore the evidence they see. It's just brutal. And to start a charity for troubled kids, whom have trouble getting adults to believe them in the best of circumstances, is just pure evil. 

As for your second point, I agree to a point. I think there's a fine line between honestly hoping someone is OK and trying to send a power message to the victim. You see that a lot in cases of a less powerful victim and a bigger, more powerful/famous/rich person or organization. I think it probably runs the spectrum from outright threats and intimidation (which doesn't sound at all like this instance) to subtle "do you know who I am" to honest care and concern. Hard to tell in this case but I think it sounds like it's in between the latter two examples here. 

But you're dead on with your first sentence. Paterno certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt.  

 
ConstruxBoy said:
FWIW, here is the part of the story about the players at the trial:

"It was short," Ptak says of his conversation with his coach. "It was, 'Joe, we got subpoenaed; what are we going to do?' He goes, 'Well, you got to tell the truth the best you can.' And that was it." Capozzoli's conversation was different, as was his relationship with Paterno. As the son of a coach himself, Capozzoli often bridled at Paterno's authority, and he says he "wasn't afraid of him." Paterno sometimes called him a "wise guy from Long Island." In his office that day, Capozzoli recalls that Paterno didn't mince words. "So right off the bat, he says, 'Todd Hodne is guilty, and if you testify for him, you're off the team,'" Capozzoli says. "So I said, 'Look, Joe'—I laughed at him. I said, 'The guy's got a million girlfriends. Maybe he dumped her and she got mad.' I said, 'I'm just going to tell the truth.' I never took what he said to heart. I testified and went home for a few days, and when I get back, my room key doesn't work. All my s--- is gone; somebody moved it. I've been moved down to this place we called the barracks, in the basement of the gym. He goes, 'You still have your scholarship; you can go to school. But you're off the team.' Isn't that, like, jury tampering? Isn't that a criminal act? But there's no recourse. What are you gonna do?"
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Clearly, some guys never grow out of their meathead jock phase.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Two very fair points of course. I will say that in the aftermath of the Sandusky scandal I did try reading up and "researching" the motivation/actions of these monsters. I wish I had saved more of the articles as bookmarks, but then again, maybe I'm glad I did not. But the two things that really stood out to me:

1) These predators aren't really trying to fool the kids. The kids catch on quickly. They're trying to fool the adults. And they are generally very, very good at it. There are many stories of parents not even believing their kids because Mr. So and So is just so nice/helpful/whatever. It's heartbreaking. 

2) Most well adjusted adults cannot believe that someone they know well, are friends with, are family members, etc. can be one of these monsters. They just literally can't believe it so they almost subconsciously ignore the evidence they see. It's just brutal. And to start a charity for troubled kids, whom have trouble getting adults to believe them in the best of circumstances, is just pure evil. 

As for your second point, I agree to a point. I think there's a fine line between honestly hoping someone is OK and trying to send a power message to the victim. You see that a lot in cases of a less powerful victim and a bigger, more powerful/famous/rich person or organization. I think it probably runs the spectrum from outright threats and intimidation (which doesn't sound at all like this instance) to subtle "do you know who I am" to honest care and concern. Hard to tell in this case but I think it sounds like it's in between the latter two examples here. 

But you're dead on with your first sentence. Paterno certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt.  
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Point 1) absolutely. Look at the Catholic church or any religion. People of cloth have a trust that's never been earned, just inherited and they have a license to rape children.

Fame too - Michael Jackson raped kids for years because parents felt he was safe all because he had fame. 

Boy Scouts, teachers, coaches, uncles, aunts....it ain't the stranger danger we need to look out for, it's our immediate surroundings and people we know. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Two very fair points of course. I will say that in the aftermath of the Sandusky scandal I did try reading up and "researching" the motivation/actions of these monsters. I wish I had saved more of the articles as bookmarks, but then again, maybe I'm glad I did not. But the two things that really stood out to me:

1) These predators aren't really trying to fool the kids. The kids catch on quickly. They're trying to fool the adults. And they are generally very, very good at it. There are many stories of parents not even believing their kids because Mr. So and So is just so nice/helpful/whatever. It's heartbreaking. 

2) Most well adjusted adults cannot believe that someone they know well, are friends with, are family members, etc. can be one of these monsters. They just literally can't believe it so they almost subconsciously ignore the evidence they see. It's just brutal. And to start a charity for troubled kids, whom have trouble getting adults to believe them in the best of circumstances, is just pure evil. 

As for your second point, I agree to a point. I think there's a fine line between honestly hoping someone is OK and trying to send a power message to the victim. You see that a lot in cases of a less powerful victim and a bigger, more powerful/famous/rich person or organization. I think it probably runs the spectrum from outright threats and intimidation (which doesn't sound at all like this instance) to subtle "do you know who I am" to honest care and concern. Hard to tell in this case but I think it sounds like it's in between the latter two examples here. 

But you're dead on with your first sentence. Paterno certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt.  
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Yeah because there was such a mountain of evidence against Paterno

 
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