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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

'Aaron%20Rudnicki said:
with regard to McQueary, he could have easily told the grand jury a different story, couldn't he? If he goes in there and says he saw something inappropriate going on but wasn't exactly sure what was happening. So, he reported it the next day to Paterno and didn't think much of it when nothing else came of it.if he does that, the whole thing turns out differently it seems. It doesn't excuse his earlier behavior, but his honest testimony there seems to be the key reason we know about all this at this point. He could have saved himself, Paterno, and the others by lying to the grand jury.
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What if he lies to the grand jury and Curley, Paterno and Schulz all tell the truth?
 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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doh
 
'culdeus said:
'mad sweeney said:
'Native said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'CrossEyed said:
Sick of people trying to find excuses.
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this is a normal reaction, but some people are interested in understanding how good people could let something like this happen. it's not making excuses. it's understanding behavior and is really one of the best ways to prevent similar situations in the future.
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I've spent a lot of time thinking about this.There's absolutely no grey area when it comes to right and wrong. If this was a TV show, and Jack Bauer or whatever TV good guy heard about this, his next phone call is obviously to the cops. No doubt about right/wrong.

But I do understand the great burden a Paterno must have felt. You kind of have to feel like you're playing god. With one phone call, you ruin your good friend's life. And not just ruin -- really, really, really ruin. You send his reputation down to the tubes and send this man to prison for the rest of his life. That's kind of a 'whoa' moment.

I think it's probably easier to not report to the police a murder than a child rape, as you can probably talk yourself into circles about some murders (the victim was a scumbag, the murderer didn't mean for it to happen, it was a one time thing, etc.). There's absolutely no grey area when it comes to child rape. I get that. I just try to think how I'd feel if someone came to me and told me my best friend was doing such a thing. It definitely takes guts to send your good friend to hell for the rest of their lives. It's the right thing to do, no question. But it's certainly not the easy thing to do. And if I was ever related to such a victim, I'd be livid if anyone tried to protect such a monster.

But I think we've been trained to try to avoid the tough questions. I can see a lot of people thinking "why me? Why am I the one that has to ruin my friend's life? Why am I the one that has to make this call?" Again, not really sure where I'm going with this, just something I've been thinking about. I hope that I would realize that I really wouldn't have any choice in the matter and would inform the authorities immediately. But I don't think it would be easy even for a second.

(For whatever it's worth, it would be much easier for me to act as McQueary than as JoePa. In the heat of the moment, I don't think I'd have even a second's thought about stopping Sandusky. Maybe it would be the emotion.)
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Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.That said, given the heinous nature of the crime witnessed, I think we all agree that he should have notified the authorities. Then I ask myself, what if a lesser crime was committed that wasnt quite as heinous? What if Sandusky was caught looking at child porn on a PC? What if he was caught stealing supplies from the Locker Room? Does a person have the same moral obligation to call the authorities, or would telling his superiors suffice?

To be clear, Im not trying to justify anyones actions. Like Chase and Aaron said, this issue is complex and there is a moral question about how much a person is required to do to fulfill his civic and ethical responsibilities.
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First of all, he was a 28 year old large former athlete. Second, I don't know how much wisdom you need to have to stop an old man raping a kid. Actually I do, zero. The guy's a coward and an enabler and he should be fired as well as prosecuted.
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In Texas they will prosecute you for exactly what he did not do. There is no such law in PA.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jery_sandusky_could_face_texas.html'>Did you say Texas?

 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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How about 16? How about 19? At 37, I wouldve beat the $#%@ out of Sandusky the second I saw him and dragged his ### to the police myself. Happy its so black and white for you - we need more of your kind in the world.
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Its easy to imagine how hopeful the child must have felt when he locked eyes with McQueary. And its devastating to imaginehow he must have felt when McQueary fled.
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I literally just burst into tears reading these lines. I've always been a bit of a softy, and now that I have a son of my own these things hit me harder than ever before, but this is the kind of thought that makes this whole thing such an inexcusable tragedy. How any man could know that this was happening and not do everything in his power to make it stop is unfathomable to me.
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Man. Just heartbreaking.
 
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'Parrothead said:
'culdeus said:
'mad sweeney said:
'Native said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'CrossEyed said:
Sick of people trying to find excuses.
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this is a normal reaction, but some people are interested in understanding how good people could let something like this happen. it's not making excuses. it's understanding behavior and is really one of the best ways to prevent similar situations in the future.
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I've spent a lot of time thinking about this.There's absolutely no grey area when it comes to right and wrong. If this was a TV show, and Jack Bauer or whatever TV good guy heard about this, his next phone call is obviously to the cops. No doubt about right/wrong.

But I do understand the great burden a Paterno must have felt. You kind of have to feel like you're playing god. With one phone call, you ruin your good friend's life. And not just ruin -- really, really, really ruin. You send his reputation down to the tubes and send this man to prison for the rest of his life. That's kind of a 'whoa' moment.

I think it's probably easier to not report to the police a murder than a child rape, as you can probably talk yourself into circles about some murders (the victim was a scumbag, the murderer didn't mean for it to happen, it was a one time thing, etc.). There's absolutely no grey area when it comes to child rape. I get that. I just try to think how I'd feel if someone came to me and told me my best friend was doing such a thing. It definitely takes guts to send your good friend to hell for the rest of their lives. It's the right thing to do, no question. But it's certainly not the easy thing to do. And if I was ever related to such a victim, I'd be livid if anyone tried to protect such a monster.

But I think we've been trained to try to avoid the tough questions. I can see a lot of people thinking "why me? Why am I the one that has to ruin my friend's life? Why am I the one that has to make this call?" Again, not really sure where I'm going with this, just something I've been thinking about. I hope that I would realize that I really wouldn't have any choice in the matter and would inform the authorities immediately. But I don't think it would be easy even for a second.

(For whatever it's worth, it would be much easier for me to act as McQueary than as JoePa. In the heat of the moment, I don't think I'd have even a second's thought about stopping Sandusky. Maybe it would be the emotion.)
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Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.That said, given the heinous nature of the crime witnessed, I think we all agree that he should have notified the authorities. Then I ask myself, what if a lesser crime was committed that wasnt quite as heinous? What if Sandusky was caught looking at child porn on a PC? What if he was caught stealing supplies from the Locker Room? Does a person have the same moral obligation to call the authorities, or would telling his superiors suffice?

To be clear, Im not trying to justify anyones actions. Like Chase and Aaron said, this issue is complex and there is a moral question about how much a person is required to do to fulfill his civic and ethical responsibilities.
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First of all, he was a 28 year old large former athlete. Second, I don't know how much wisdom you need to have to stop an old man raping a kid. Actually I do, zero. The guy's a coward and an enabler and he should be fired as well as prosecuted.
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In Texas they will prosecute you for exactly what he did not do. There is no such law in PA.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jery_sandusky_could_face_texas.html'>Did you say Texas?
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The whole crossing state lines thingy could bring in the Feds too
 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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How about 16? How about 19? At 37, I wouldve beat the $#%@ out of Sandusky the second I saw him and dragged his ### to the police myself. Happy its so black and white for you - we need more of your kind in the world.
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:lmao: That's not what he's commenting on.
 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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How about 16? How about 19? At 37, I wouldve beat the $#%@ out of Sandusky the second I saw him and dragged his ### to the police myself. Happy its so black and white for you - we need more of your kind in the world.
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Are you really this thick?
 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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How about 16? How about 19? At 37, I wouldve beat the $#%@ out of Sandusky the second I saw him and dragged his ### to the police myself. Happy its so black and white for you - we need more of your kind in the world.
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this thread needs cliffnotes pinned for newcomers.. :lmao:
 
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
'shadyridr said:
'Native said:
Appreciate the honesty here. Ive been thinking about the same thing. With the benefit of hindsight, of course Id like to think that I would make the right decision. I too have young kids and think of myself as having high moral character. But I keep on putting myself in McQueary's shoes at the age of 22 and think to myself - what would I have done? After all, I was hardly a bastion of wisdom at 22.
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What about at 28?
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Every day that passed where he didnt say anything makes it worse and worse. If he didnt realize the ramifications of what he saw at 22, Id hope several days/weeks/months later he wouldve put things into proper perspective.
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:wall:
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How about 16? How about 19? At 37, I wouldve beat the $#%@ out of Sandusky the second I saw him and dragged his ### to the police myself. Happy its so black and white for you - we need more of your kind in the world.
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This didn't have to be a physical confrontation for McQueary to stop it. He could have just said "Hey, WTF are you doing?" That would have stopped it.
 
'Reepicheep said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
It’s easy to imagine how hopeful the child must have felt when he locked eyes with McQueary. And it’s devastating to imaginehow he must have felt when McQueary fled.
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I literally just burst into tears reading these lines. I've always been a bit of a softy, and now that I have a son of my own these things hit me harder than ever before, but this is the kind of thought that makes this whole thing such an inexcusable tragedy. How any man could know that this was happening and not do everything in his power to make it stop is unfathomable to me.
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Man. Just heartbreaking.
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Do we know that this boy saw McQueary? I was under the impression that McQueary saw them but they did not know McQueary was there...
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Joe Summer said:
What if he lies to the grand jury and Curley, Paterno and Schulz all tell the truth?
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is that a likely scenario though?Curley would say the guy reported a child rape and he did nothing about it?
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I think the (hypothetical) scenario is this. McQueary sees whatever he sees. He tells Joe he saw Sandusky "wrestling" or whatever in the shower. He tells Curley and Schultz the same. He then tells the grand jury, years later, he saw something much worse.Which is awful, but we should understand this is often how the victims themselves report these things. I know several victims of childhood sexual abuse. And in every case, they told an adult some version of the story that was far less than what actually happened to them. I'm not defending McQueary. I can't. I don't know who was told what. And frankly, I can't excuse even the most innocent casting of this, because it requires a terrible naivete in all involved. But's it's hard to know what McQ saw. It's hard to know what he said. And we don't know if there's something in his background that made this all the more traumatic. Shock is a weird thing.
 
'CrossEyed said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'CrossEyed said:
Sick of people trying to find excuses.
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this is a normal reaction, but some people are interested in understanding how good people could let something like this happen. it's not making excuses. it's understanding behavior and is really one of the best ways to prevent similar situations in the future.
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If these were "good people" then God help us all. Good people do the right thing in difficult circumstances and regardless of personal cost. Good people make mistakes in a moment of uncertainty, but they don't cover it up for years at the expense of the most innocent and vulnerable. These were not good people.
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:goodposting: And simply because all they put people and symbols at the very top of their faith list.

 
i think this is a great example of how absolute power corrupts. Cult of personality etc....all the examples of human weakness unfolding in front of our eyes and even then some people just don't get it.

 
'eoMMan said:
'CrossEyed said:
'ConstruxBoy said:
'Parrothead said:
'CrossEyed said:
It's probably good that there's so much unintentional comedy in a thread like this
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:goodposting:wouldn't have gone over well Tuesday or wednesday, but this thread has run its course- we have all agreed we are outraged..
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Group hug?
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Wait, isn't that what started this whole mess?
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Probably won't be long until someone comes with a BackCracker alias. :unsure:
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Disappointed that hasn't happened already.
 
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.

 
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State."It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
 
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
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why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
 
http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html#.Tr17KoFYfCg.twitter

Sandusky was recruiting for Penn State last year.

GREER, S.C. -- The Penn State fallout is having a trickle-down effect on high school football recruiting.

Adam Ah Ching, a senior linebacker at Greer High School, told WYFF News 4’s Kim Quintero that he’s played football since he was 6 and has his sights set on playing college ball.

“When you're Polynesian, growing up, football is No. 1 in your life,” said Ah Ching.

Ranked last year by ESPNU as the 26th linebacker prospect in the country, Ah Ching said he was paid a visit by Penn State's former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky.

“He came to my last spring game going into my senior season. He liked how I moved, laterally, and how gifted I am,” said Ah Ching.

But days after Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing young boys, leading to the firing of football coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier, Ah Ching scratched Penn State off his list of where he'd continue his football career.

“It's very devastating to have a top-tiered program and have them drop like that,” said Ah Ching. “That really did play a big impact on where I wanted to go.”

Otto Ah Ching, Adam’s dad, supports his decision.

“Do you want to be associated with the mess that's still going to come down the road here?” said Otto Ah Ching.

Ah Ching says other young football players like himself feel the same.

“All these recruits are decommiting because of that,” said Ah Ching. “It’s sad, depressing and devastating.”

Ah Ching said he hasn't decided on which college he'll continue his football career with.
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'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State."It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Colorado :lmao:
 
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
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why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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McQueary will still be therethe BoT will still be there

the culture that created it will still be there

I doubt the issue comes down to just 3-4 guys

 
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
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why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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It really won't be.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html#.Tr17KoFYfCg.twitterSandusky was recruiting for Penn State last year.

GREER, S.C. -- The Penn State fallout is having a trickle-down effect on high school football recruiting.Adam Ah Ching, a senior linebacker at Greer High School, told WYFF News 4’s Kim Quintero that he’s played football since he was 6 and has his sights set on playing college ball.“When you're Polynesian, growing up, football is No. 1 in your life,” said Ah Ching.Ranked last year by ESPNU as the 26th linebacker prospect in the country, Ah Ching said he was paid a visit by Penn State's former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky.“He came to my last spring game going into my senior season. He liked how I moved, laterally, and how gifted I am,” said Ah Ching.But days after Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing young boys, leading to the firing of football coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier, Ah Ching scratched Penn State off his list of where he'd continue his football career.“It's very devastating to have a top-tiered program and have them drop like that,” said Ah Ching. “That really did play a big impact on where I wanted to go.”Otto Ah Ching, Adam’s dad, supports his decision.“Do you want to be associated with the mess that's still going to come down the road here?” said Otto Ah Ching.Ah Ching says other young football players like himself feel the same.“All these recruits are decommiting because of that,” said Ah Ching. “It’s sad, depressing and devastating.”Ah Ching said he hasn't decided on which college he'll continue his football career with.
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Bless you.
 
'Brock Middlebrook said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
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why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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McQueary will still be therethe BoT will still be there

the culture that created it will still be there

I doubt the issue comes down to just 3-4 guys
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I'll be surprised if McQueary makes it to next year. They can't even have him on the sidelines at this point. He will be gone next season I think.

 
'Brock Middlebrook said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
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Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
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why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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McQueary will still be therethe BoT will still be there

the culture that created it will still be there

I doubt the issue comes down to just 3-4 guys
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McQueary will not be there next season!BoT fired Joe Paterno -

New coach, new administration - new culture.. you really don;t think the school will make sweeping changes?? the world will be watching- PSU will become the squeakiest cleanest place.

As I said, recruiting will take a hit this year for sure, and maybe next as well, but Penn State will enter a new era..

maybe I'm just an optomist- but there is far too much good associated with Penn State to keep it down for long.. :shrug:

 
'NCCommish said:
I'll be surprised if McQueary makes it to next year. They can't even have him on the sidelines at this point. He will be gone next season I think.
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I wonder if he had some early termination clause written into his contract after the incident for billions of dollars. It makes no sense for him to still be employed.
 
'Parrothead said:
'Brock Middlebrook said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpos...eps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
Click to expand...
McQueary will still be therethe BoT will still be there

the culture that created it will still be there

I doubt the issue comes down to just 3-4 guys
Click to expand...
McQueary will not be there next season!BoT fired Joe Paterno -

New coach, new administration - new culture.. you really don;t think the school will make sweeping changes?? the world will be watching- PSU will become the squeakiest cleanest place.

As I said, recruiting will take a hit this year for sure, and maybe next as well, but Penn State will enter a new era..

maybe I'm just an optomist- but there is far too much good associated with Penn State to keep it down for long.. :shrug:
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I think you are an optimist - for years a degree with the name Penn State will conjur up memories of this incident and you would have some explaining to do to a general public that has made up their mind on this. I could see why people wouldn't want anything to do with having this stigma attached to them. It's going to take quite a bit of time - you still have the trial to actually happen, then the death of JoePa eventually and you'll get to relive it again and again and again and again.
 
'Parrothead said:
'CrossEyed said:
It's probably good that there's so much unintentional comedy in a thread like this
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:goodposting: wouldn't have gone over well Tuesday or wednesday, but this thread has run its course- we have all agreed we are outraged..
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I get the image of McQueary acting like George Costanza trying to "lead" everyone out of the apartment that was on fire. Too bad Eric the Clown with his big shoe wasn't the one who walked in on the shower scene.
 
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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Do you really believe this or are you just hoping?
 
'Wadsworth said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
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Do you really believe this or are you just hoping?
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a little of both I guess- but I have seen so much good done by Penn State student and alumni over the past 30 years, I can't help to think that we will eventually land on our collective feet.. I would not have thought this Monday or Tuesday- but seeing how thinkgs have been set in motion with all of the firings, I am optomistic that a new era will begin.. will it be easy? hell no there is still alot to be sorted out, and it could get ugly again and again, but we will survive.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html#.Tr17KoFYfCg.twitterSandusky was recruiting for Penn State last year.

GREER, S.C. -- The Penn State fallout is having a trickle-down effect on high school football recruiting.Adam Ah Ching, a senior linebacker at Greer High School, told WYFF News 4’s Kim Quintero that he’s played football since he was 6 and has his sights set on playing college ball.“When you're Polynesian, growing up, football is No. 1 in your life,” said Ah Ching.Ranked last year by ESPNU as the 26th linebacker prospect in the country, Ah Ching said he was paid a visit by Penn State's former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky.“He came to my last spring game going into my senior season. He liked how I moved, laterally, and how gifted I am,” said Ah Ching.But days after Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing young boys, leading to the firing of football coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier, Ah Ching scratched Penn State off his list of where he'd continue his football career.“It's very devastating to have a top-tiered program and have them drop like that,” said Ah Ching. “That really did play a big impact on where I wanted to go.”Otto Ah Ching, Adam’s dad, supports his decision.“Do you want to be associated with the mess that's still going to come down the road here?” said Otto Ah Ching.Ah Ching says other young football players like himself feel the same.“All these recruits are decommiting because of that,” said Ah Ching. “It’s sad, depressing and devastating.”Ah Ching said he hasn't decided on which college he'll continue his football career with.
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This should put an end to the "Sandusky was not associated with Penn State at all" argument.
 
'Wadsworth said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
Click to expand...
Do you really believe this or are you just hoping?
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I see Indiana Basketball playing out.If there isn't a big exodus of talent that's already there, there's a chance to succeed with the leftovers over the next year or two. But once it comes down to recruiting without the icon in place, it's all downhill from there.

 
'Limp Ditka said:
'Wadsworth said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
Click to expand...
Do you really believe this or are you just hoping?
Click to expand...
I see Indiana Basketball playing out.If there isn't a big exodus of talent that's already there, there's a chance to succeed with the leftovers over the next year or two. But once it comes down to recruiting without the icon in place, it's all downhill from there.
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I guess that can depend on who the next coach is. Meyer? Cowher? Bradley?
 
'BroadwayG said:
'NCCommish said:
I'll be surprised if McQueary makes it to next year. They can't even have him on the sidelines at this point. He will be gone next season I think.
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I wonder if he had some early termination clause written into his contract after the incident for billions of dollars. It makes no sense for him to still be employed.
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They might be concerned about whisteblower laws that would result in a civil liability if they fire him.PSU will probably hire a coach next year who will bring in his own staff, so they can get rid of him without it being as clearly related to Sandusky.
 
'Limp Ditka said:
'Wadsworth said:
'Parrothead said:
'Getzlaf15 said:
'ffldrew said:
http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_19314979

Windsor High School football player Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound lineman, has decided to decommit from Penn State University in light of the child sex-abuse scandal that forced out head coach Joe Paterno?.

O'Connor, who selected Penn State as his school of choice in June, told the Fort Collins Coloradoan that he made the decision so he could pursue other offers. Other schools that might be interested include South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, California, UCLA and Washington State.

"It's been a real struggle," O'Connor told the Coloradoan, "just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs. The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

O'Connor and his 9-1 Wizards will host Holy Family (8-2) in the opening round of the Class 3A state playoffs on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Seriously, who would want to play or even go to PSU for a long time? What parent would let their child go?

The only people that are going to continue to go are those that have shown generations of support.
Click to expand...
why? they are going to have a new president, new AD, new coach and staff.. they cleaned house.. everything related to the disgusting scandal will be gone. they will have alot of talent returning next year, and they have some of the best facilities and fan base in the nation.. sure there will be some this year that change their minds, but this too shall pass..
Click to expand...
Do you really believe this or are you just hoping?
Click to expand...
I see Indiana Basketball playing out.If there isn't a big exodus of talent that's already there, there's a chance to succeed with the leftovers over the next year or two. But once it comes down to recruiting without the icon in place, it's all downhill from there.
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agreed- however, IF they hire someone like Urban Meyer, this may not be a problem..
 
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