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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Yeah, I really can't be unbiased as I've never liked PSU, but this is where I am. Paterno was a great coach, but he failed as a man. I really don't want to hear the praises of Joe Paterno at this point in time.
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shader
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
To compare JoePa's football program to almost anything else in a college setting is beyond naive.
You're like a deer caught in the headlights.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The fans and most especially the players are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Joe's been THE shining beacon for them for as long as they've either been at or wanted to go to PSU. I would imagine that most of the players have fatherly feelings for Joe and feel as if they owe their college and future success in some large part to him and his teaching and, up til this week, his integrity. It couldn't be at a worse time either as the last home game coming on the heels of the sheer joy of winning the game that put Paterno at #1 in wins. Like I said before, I am hesitant to call the players and fans victims, because of the gigantic gap between their circumstances and the abused kids, but these PSU players are absolutely victims in this and they've gotta be emotional wrecks. If they don't know what to do and vaccilate between Win it for Joe and Win it for the Kids, I just can't blame them.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
And you're still in mx territory. Find one single example of anything similar. With a dept head who's been there for 60+ years, controlling a massive moneymaking dept and massive non-athlete recruiting impact, with the ability to tell the BoT to go pound sand when they want him to retire, who has dept members that've been with him for 30+ years, and whose downfall encompasses a dean and the university's president. I won't be holding my breath.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Alright, the God Bless You Joe Pa sign pisses me off a bit.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
So? Yes it is possible it could have happened somewhere else. What does that prove? If it happens somewhere else people should still have the same reaction. Another religion could have covered up abuse and enabled pedophiles, but the Catholic Church did do it so they had to pay the price. The argument that it is possible it could have happened with the Baptist church for example doesn't change anything.The "level of this situation" was created because of where it happened and who was involved. But that does not prove that a similar situation could not happen elsewhere on a college campus.You using the word "routinely" and comparing this situation to other normal campus cover ups really makes it look like you haven't fully embraced the level of this situation.Universities routinely cover up crimes on campus one way or another
Who said it changed anything?So? Yes it is possible it could have happened somewhere else. What does that prove? If it happens somewhere else people should still have the same reaction. Another religion could have covered up abuse and enabled pedophiles, but the Catholic Church did do it so they had to pay the price. The argument that it is possible it could have happened with the Baptist church for example doesn't change anything.The "level of this situation" was created because of where it happened and who was involved. But that does not prove that a similar situation could not happen elsewhere on a college campus.You using the word "routinely" and comparing this situation to other normal campus cover ups really makes it look like you haven't fully embraced the level of this situation.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
When they shut down football at PSU it is going to be because of people like that. The whole campus needs to a priority reboot.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
For the Kids is a slogan attached to Penn State's THON program, which raises money for kids with cancer.
Why?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
So you are arguing a point that you admit is meaningless?Who said it changed anything?So? Yes it is possible it could have happened somewhere else. What does that prove? If it happens somewhere else people should still have the same reaction. Another religion could have covered up abuse and enabled pedophiles, but the Catholic Church did do it so they had to pay the price. The argument that it is possible it could have happened with the Baptist church for example doesn't change anything.The "level of this situation" was created because of where it happened and who was involved. But that does not prove that a similar situation could not happen elsewhere on a college campus.You using the word "routinely" and comparing this situation to other normal campus cover ups really makes it look like you haven't fully embraced the level of this situation.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
This isn't a "school setting" with respect to child abuse. If Penn State was a middle school, this is a much different story.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
To back up what you've been saying.
Why do I need a specific example to back up what I'm saying?
WTH are you talking about?So you are arguing a point that you admit is meaningless?Who said it changed anything?So? Yes it is possible it could have happened somewhere else. What does that prove? If it happens somewhere else people should still have the same reaction. Another religion could have covered up abuse and enabled pedophiles, but the Catholic Church did do it so they had to pay the price. The argument that it is possible it could have happened with the Baptist church for example doesn't change anything.The "level of this situation" was created because of where it happened and who was involved. But that does not prove that a similar situation could not happen elsewhere on a college campus.You using the word "routinely" and comparing this situation to other normal campus cover ups really makes it look like you haven't fully embraced the level of this situation.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
'proninja said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
To back up what you've been saying.
You have no clue what I've been saying, do you?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Apparently I don't either. I beginning to question if you have any idea what you have been saying.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Who's on first? 
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yes I do. Answering a bunch of questions with vague questions to avoid answering questions. Gotcha. Dunno why I even bothered quite frankly.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I was thinking the exact same thing.Who's on first?
Obviously something got lost at some point.
Christo: "Cover ups happen all the time in all sorts of organizations. To think something like this could only happen in "JoPa's football program" is naive."
Obviously, it hypothetically could happen elsewhere but it does seem there are key characteristics of the environment at Penn State that helped make it more possible there.
Obviously, it hypothetically could happen elsewhere but it does seem there are key characteristics of the environment at Penn State that helped make it more possible there.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
if it's any consolation, I had a very similar meaningless exchange yesterday. Or maybe it was the day before.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm amazed that people don't understand the difference between what he did and what a man of integrity should have done. Even Frano Harris and Jack Ham have been critical of PSU for the firing.Paterno preached winning with honor, integrity, going above and beyond what you have to do. And yet when he was faced with a situation in his life where he had the chance to put into action all of the rhetoric, he chose instead to bury his head and protect his football program. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Now I really hope they lose.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
It's a non-story, but it's exactly the kind of non-story that ESPN likes to turn into a story.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
I have no problem with that statement. My issue is with the people who think that it could only happen in that specific environment.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
They should have shut it down. Sorry seniors, sorry fans n
Shutting it down is a real consequence to a coverup the few/some/many in the name of big time wining football. The kids were only there because of the WOW factor of football.
Whats done is now done and the real American way, and probably human way continues:
Don't f with the $$$
Shutting it down is a real consequence to a coverup the few/some/many in the name of big time wining football. The kids were only there because of the WOW factor of football.
Whats done is now done and the real American way, and probably human way continues:
Don't f with the $$$
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.Now I really hope they lose.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I think that's fair. I also think that the type of environment necessary to allow something like this to happen (the entire scenario, not just the abuse) probably only exists at a handful of universities.
I don't think it's nearly that restrictive.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I do. OK, maybe "handful" isn't the right word. But I think it requires at least an isolated setting, a clean reputation, and a coach who has been there long enough to have enough pull to override the decisions of his "superiors".
CrossEyed
Footballguy
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm hoping Penn State wins today so the ####### students don't mistreat the Nebraska fans or riot after the game. Not looking good though.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
No, I think that's OK. For the seniors, it brings closure to their football relationship with Joe Pa. They - like everyone else - will need a lot of time to sort all of this out in their hearts and minds. These kids went to PSU to play football. Let's let them focus in on that for a few hours.I believe the pre-game events - the slow walk onto the field, the gathering with the Nebraska players, the time of silence - helped to frame the game in the appropriate context. If PSU wins, those young men can have some time with Paterno. I'm not going to judge them for that.Now I really hope they lose.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I'm not judging the players. I get all that. I'm just sick of the "Paterno was really a great guy" stuff.ETA: 274No, I think that's OK. For the seniors, it brings closure to their football relationship with Joe Pa. They - like everyone else - will need a lot of time to sort all of this out in their hearts and minds. These kids went to PSU to play football. Let's let them focus in on that for a few hours.I believe the pre-game events - the slow walk onto the field, the gathering with the Nebraska players, the time of silence - helped to frame the game in the appropriate context. If PSU wins, those young men can have some time with Paterno. I'm not going to judge them for that.Now I really hope they lose.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
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Ramblin Wreck
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I'd rather see the players and fans worry more about the victims than the old man that covered up their rape. That's just me though.No, I think that's OK. For the seniors, it brings closure to their football relationship with Joe Pa. They - like everyone else - will need a lot of time to sort all of this out in their hearts and minds. These kids went to PSU to play football. Let's let them focus in on that for a few hours.I believe the pre-game events - the slow walk onto the field, the gathering with the Nebraska players, the time of silence - helped to frame the game in the appropriate context. If PSU wins, those young men can have some time with Paterno. I'm not going to judge them for that.Now I really hope they lose.So allegedly if PSU wins, the team seniors are going to walk the game ball to JoePa's house? That's sweet.
belljr
Footballguy
thats what turned me. I know joepa has done a lot of good, a lot. But to preach about integrity and then yourself not follow it, tough to be on his side.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Nothing will ever make it "right", but what would be an adequate punishment? What measures should be taken to compensate the victims? Does anyone know if their is a "cap" to victim compensation in Pennsylvania or Texas?
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Love to see Nebraska pitch a shutout today.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't think that's much of a possibility. Now that there's been a cooling off period I expect the PSU fans to be civil unless they're rudely provoked by insensitive Nebraska fans.'ConstruxBoy said:
yeah, we touched on this earlier.some discussion in here: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11316/1189464-455.stm
