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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)
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Fat Nick
Footballguy
I don't see why everyone thinks he's such a strong flight risk (outside of the fact that I think he's guilty, and thus he's got few other options...) Typically a "strong flight risk," has a history of running, ties to other countries, etc. This is an old man who has lived in State College for decades. I think I'd put him on suicide watch before I'd say he's a flight risk, but of course if he truly thinks that showering and hugging 10 year old boys naked is OK, he likely thinks, in his delusional mind, that he IS innocent, and will anxiously await trial.I'm not saying anything other than that I really don't get what exactly makes him a strong flight risk. EVERYONE at this point knows what he looks like.
Zow
Footballguy
I'd say the combination of the potential consequences for his charges and his wealth naturally make him a high flight risk. Unlike indigent defendants, he may actually have the means to escape the jurisdiction. Certainly, if he has a history of missing court or committing crimes against moral terpitude he'd be more of a flight risk, but I think those two facts that I cited alone warrant more than 100k regardless of his strong ties to the community.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Someone should notify the Colorado police.
as difficult as it would be to do, put yourself in his shoes. wouldn't you want to flee the country if you had the means to do so?
worked out well for Roman Polanski.
worked out well for Roman Polanski.
Sconch
Footballguy
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the bolded.'Leeroy Jenkins said:Thats pretty much exactly what i am suggesting actually.'Dragons said:That doesn't appear to be what he's suggesting at all.'Idiot Boxer said:Sure, I agree. However, most who are proffering this or other ancillary items are doing it for the OMG can you believe how deep this conspiracy goes?! effect. You're the first to suggest that the land transfer to Sandusky's charity was done because PSU had no idea of Sandusky's monstrous nature and that they merely felt that they were donating to a charity. Most are suggesting that it is a payoff as part of a massive coverup by the university. That is the kind of implication the Leeroy is calling 'dumb' and I tend to agree.If the University knew of Sandusky's issues you don't think it's a problem if they sold him land so he could build a campground for kids?
Maybe they simply sold him the land at a discount and had no clue what he wanted it for. In that case maybe they get a pass. I'm skeptical they would sell the land to him at a discount unless they knew it was going for his charity.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I mean, yes, I would...but I think anyone who was guilty and KNEW they were guilty with minimal chance of a good defense would consider the same thing if they were able to flee and thought they could do so successfully. BUT, I don't think I'd stand a chance roughing it abroad with no money, no contacts, etc.If you take that into consideration, you're almost saying chances of flight risk = perceived probability of guilt, which I don't think is how it is intended. I agree, his bail should be more, but I don't think he's any more of a flight risk than lots of other criminals. Polanski isn't really a fair comparison b/c he was an international person, and he had A LOT more money and contacts abroad.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
A 37 year old high school baseball coach in my area, accused of similar charges, is currently sitting in jail with a $2 million dollar bail tag. I guess he wasn't friends with his judge.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Rumors that PSU will take down the Paterno statue while students are away for Thanksgiving.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Will the knock down the library too?
dhockster
Footballguy
Interesting article on Ray Gricar written in January of this year:
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/
The following excerpts stood out to me:
According to Tony Gricar, the one thing that never made sense to police was his uncle's financial situation.
"He was making a fair amount of money; but, at least from a forensic accounting standpoint, the thought is there that there should have been more cash," he said. "But, for somebody from his generation, which [preferred to] deal in cash, what is the appropriate amount that should be sitting in an account?"
There are three possible scenarios in the case and, according to Tony Gricar, none really fits.
Runaway: "The runaway doesn't make a lot of sense. It never has," Tony Gricar said. "I guess if you want to oversimplify it -- what's the point? There's been nothing. No scandal tied to the office or anything that would allude to that. If he wanted to do his own thing, why not wait the few months until his scheduled retirement? It really doesn't make much sense."
In light of what we know now, I think the possiblity that Ray Gricar disappeared to start a new life somewhere else is a lot stronger.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/
The following excerpts stood out to me:
According to Tony Gricar, the one thing that never made sense to police was his uncle's financial situation.
"He was making a fair amount of money; but, at least from a forensic accounting standpoint, the thought is there that there should have been more cash," he said. "But, for somebody from his generation, which [preferred to] deal in cash, what is the appropriate amount that should be sitting in an account?"
There are three possible scenarios in the case and, according to Tony Gricar, none really fits.
Runaway: "The runaway doesn't make a lot of sense. It never has," Tony Gricar said. "I guess if you want to oversimplify it -- what's the point? There's been nothing. No scandal tied to the office or anything that would allude to that. If he wanted to do his own thing, why not wait the few months until his scheduled retirement? It really doesn't make much sense."
In light of what we know now, I think the possiblity that Ray Gricar disappeared to start a new life somewhere else is a lot stronger.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Nah. Just change the name.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Why would they do this unless they know that JoePa ends up not looking good at all once this stuff all plays out?
otello
Footballguy
Are you saying this is a rush to judgment?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No conclusion can be drawn from this rumor, even if true. Public sentiment currently is that he was wrong and morally culpable. If they find out differently later and public sentiment switches, it can be put back up. They don't KNOW anything, they're responding to the current sentiment.See: Harris, Franco and Lacrosse, Duke.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
No, I'm saying that I think the people who make those decisions are well aware of how bad this is going to end up being.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
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JZilla
Footballguy
As opposed to now?
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Hasn't it continued to look worse just about every day that goes by?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
And therefore we should conclude that the administration knows that JoePa will be completely exonerated.
JZilla
Footballguy
For Paterno? Doesn't really seem like it to me. It was awful from the get-go.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I wasn't talking specifically about Paterno, just in general.
JZilla
Footballguy
D in the D
Footballguy
If this has been brought up already, i apologize, but i am 60 or so pages behind on reading this thread.
A rather heinous and disgusting theory, but follow me on this. What if the school administration, etc went under the idea of doing everything that was legally required and still tried to cover up as much as possible, figuring the $50 million or so the football team brought in annually would more than cover the lawsuit if and when they ever came out. Like the damage to the kids was collateral. Sick and twisted I know, but what in this case isnt?
Kind of like the Ford Motor case in the late '70s with the Pinto. Except substitute 10 year old boys as the victims and replace exploding gas tanks with jerry sandusky.
ETA: annually. Yes annually.
A rather heinous and disgusting theory, but follow me on this. What if the school administration, etc went under the idea of doing everything that was legally required and still tried to cover up as much as possible, figuring the $50 million or so the football team brought in annually would more than cover the lawsuit if and when they ever came out. Like the damage to the kids was collateral. Sick and twisted I know, but what in this case isnt?
Kind of like the Ford Motor case in the late '70s with the Pinto. Except substitute 10 year old boys as the victims and replace exploding gas tanks with jerry sandusky.
ETA: annually. Yes annually.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
Do you have the specs on it? $58K for a house in 69 isn't exactly chump change,
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
I don't think the date has much impact on the reason that report was posted here, though a 2002 date would have been ideal.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Striking similarity. Paterno. Hussein. Maybe we can get a shot of JoePa coming out of his house shooting a rifle into the air.
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
If this goes to trial, Will McQueary's GJ testimomy be released?That would be a significant thing to leave out of a summation of a two year investigation.
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
Meh. I think everyone knew that McQueary never filed a formal police report. He only said that he had "discussions with police", which could mean a lot of different things. Maybe he just had an informal conversation with a friend or acquaintance who was a cop?
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
I would be surprised that the GJ would leave that out, and if they did leave that out, then I would want the feds to get involved.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm expecting some apologies for demanding apologies up in here.
Parrothead
Footballguy
this guy is supposed to be the star witness and he's already caught in a lie
Sandusky's lawyer is loving this turn of events Joe Summer
Footballguy
We don't know if McQueary even told the grand jury. If all he did was talk to an off-duty cop at a bar, then he might not have felt it was necessary to tell the grand jury about it.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
All he said is he had discussions with the police. Probably during the charity golf game they all played in a few weeks later.** please note, I do not know that the police played in the charity golf game or the numerous other Second Mile functions that Mr Stand Up Guy Going To Clear My Name McQueary participated in after he saw Sandusky raping a child. But he says "...you know me...", so i guess that makes him a good guy even though he let 9 years go bythis guy is supposed to be the star witness and he's already caught in a lie
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
What police?
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It might have been left out of the report if it is part of the case against Schultz and/or Curley.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Hope the State hasn't put a lot of eggs in the McQueary basket. I wish the Federal Government would step in and take the case over at this point. Didn't Sandusky transport a boy across state lines and rape him as well? Texas, Colorado, or some other state?
Zow
Footballguy
Reasonableness is a fluid term.A 37 year old high school baseball coach in my area, accused of similar charges, is currently sitting in jail with a $2 million dollar bail tag. I guess he wasn't friends with his judge.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I would guess he is talking about Schultz, since he is technically Head of University Police. So of course the police station wouldn't have anything from him on the incident. And I'm not saying that should count as "talking to police". Just that it may be what he means. I doubt that would be considered perjury.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Texas. Alamo Bowl.
even if it was already owned by both? what is the possible benefit for transferring it from joint ownership to sole ownership by his wife?
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Thorn
Footballguy
Suppose that substantially all of the assets are in husband's name (not uncommon for that generation). Suppose husband is worth $8 million. The federal estate tax doesn't kick in until the estate is worth at least $5 million, and the rate is steep. If husband dies, $3 million of his estate gets hit with the tax. If they arrange their assets so that they both own about $4 million, no tax. WALA!
CrossEyed
Footballguy
And they waited until he was 84 to figure this out?
