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Wow.....Can you imagine eating lunch with a coworker and them spending any amount of time cleaning their utensil after they're done with it. Or taking their straw out of their drink whenever they left the table. The supervisor had to know as soon as the ice cream sticks were put in the desk drawer. Dude must have really liked ice cream.

I can't imagine being in the supervisors shoes
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Ya I didn't even think of the TF. I'd tell the cops to catch this suspected crazed killer themselves. Why toe the line and risk pissing somebody off who is suspected of killing a woman. Plus the supervisor was a woman. She had some stones.

She looks like a nosey next door neighbor. lolBut yea... I agree. She put herself out there.
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Do you think there is a reason (conscious or not) that you write out his name so much in your posts?

I write his name out so much because using his name is shorter than writing out "my brother". Also, since I have three older brothers it could get confusing as to which brother I am talking about. I only used the dead brother's name I believe. I'm more inclined not to use the names of my living relatives. I know someone can find the names if they search, but I think most won't bother as it isn't that important.It is in no means an attempt to "humanize" my brother. I have no intention in trying to generate empathy or compassion for him. Things were tough on all of my brothers, but it doesn't excuse their crimes.
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Ya I didn't even think of the TF. I'd tell the cops to catch this suspected crazed killer themselves. Why toe the line and risk pissing somebody off who is suspected of killing a woman. Plus the supervisor was a woman. She had some stones.

She looks like a nosey next door neighbor. lolBut yea... I agree. She put herself out there.
I the book mentioned in previous posts, the main motivator for the supervisor through most of it was that she thought my brother was innocent. She thought her efforts were going to clear him and the police could move on to the real killer. It was after the results of the fork DNA came back that she began to believe he was guilty. I wonder if the police had fully informed her of everything or let her take those risks and left some stuff out.There was a letter to a friend in his belongings at the prison at the time of his death. We don't know the contents or to whom that letter was addressed because all of his things from prison were lost in the mail. My first guesses would be the letter was to the supervisor or to the young kid he'd hang out with at the apartment complex. His attorney told him to assume his mail was being read by police, so he was limited by that knowledge. My mom wanted his books and things that he had in prison to see if he'd written any messages in the margins of the books.
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Do you think there is a reason (conscious or not) that you write out his name so much in your posts?

I write his name out so much because using his name is shorter than writing out "my brother". Also, since I have three older brothers it could get confusing as to which brother I am talking about. I only used the dead brother's name I believe. I'm more inclined not to use the names of my living relatives. I know someone can find the names if they search, but I think most won't bother as it isn't that important.

It is in no means an attempt to "humanize" my brother. I have no intention in trying to generate empathy or compassion for him. Things were tough on all of my brothers, but it doesn't excuse their crimes.

Thanks. This is what I was getting at. I have no idea how I personally would deal with something like this, so thought maybe it was just a way of reminding yourself that he was a real person and your brother that you loved (I assume).

Sorry if the question offended in any way. That was certainly not my intent at all.

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netnalp - Do you ever have fears that you may be 'wired' incorrectly also? Even though it doesn't show now do you sometimes fear it may come out later or have strange thoughts that you may associate with genetics or your childhood?

I've also had issues in my life that make people I've talked to shake their head and wonder how I've coped and stayed so even keeled. In the back of my mind, I always wonder if I'm wired correctly and if someday things may snap......

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netnalp - Do you ever have fears that you may be 'wired' incorrectly also? Even though it doesn't show now do you sometimes fear it may come out later or have strange thoughts that you may associate with genetics or your childhood?

I've also had issues in my life that make people I've talked to shake their head and wonder how I've coped and stayed so even keeled. In the back of my mind, I always wonder if I'm wired correctly and if someday things may snap......

I don't think I could snap or that I'm a ticking time bomb. The theory of a criminal gene hasn't held up in scientific research studies, so I don't think there's a concern for that. I think common problems that some people have, like, depression, lack of social skills and anger issues to name a few, have at their core self-esteem issues. At least for cases where brain chemistry issues have been ruled out.

In the case of my immediate family, it seems like I differ from my brothers in that they look to hide their flaws and emotional issues. The oldest brother for instance will never apologize, say thank you, he's never wrong, everything is someone else's fault, and everybody else is the problem not him. It makes it so he can't hold down a job because he can't work with others. I think his low self-esteem causes him to take everything as a personal attack and he won't take responsibility for things because that would be an admission of being flawed. He even takes it personally when someone passes him on the highway. If someone tries to pass him on the left, he'll speed up and go into the left lane. Then when he gets next to a car in the right lane he'll slow down to the right lane car's speed. That way nobody can pass. He claims that "They shouldn't be going faster than the speed limit to pass."

The second oldest brother that installed the camera in a restroom, he coped differently. Low self-esteem as well, his issues were mainly with approaching women. He had strong sexual attraction but lacked the social skills to attract women. To satisfy those desires he resorted to peeping rather than find way to improve his social skills. He's always been mechanically inclined, so he went with his strengths, engineering a physical means to accomplish the desire to see naked women. Rather than working on his mental and emotional deficiencies. He's said he never thought he would get caught due to a belief that he was smarter than the police. He started slowly compromising his morality. Using binoculars to look into windows, then going up to the window, to where he gave himself the permission to go ahead and put a camera in. To compensate for his guilt, he became heavily involved in a religious group. He got caught and served his punishment. The court mandated therapy was helpful for him. He lives a more honest life, though it's not ideal. He's honest with the women he's with, that he's mainly in it for the sex. The result is he gets involved with women that have major issues themselves. Most react very violently when they get upset. It wouldn't surprise me if one of these women were to stab him or accuse him of a crime he didn't commit just to get back at him for leaving them.

Drew had similar issues to the brother above him to an exponential degree. The age difference between him and the older brothers made him almost an only child. So he didn't have some of the experiences that a child with an older sibling closer in age would. I came along and he couldn't cope with the feelings of jealousy. I don't think I'll ever make sense of how he got to where he did. I think he probably slowly escalated and then made the big step in deciding to rape someone. The killing could have been so there was no witness or maybe he enjoyed doing the act. I have no way of knowing.

Me, I tend to admit my fears and short comings. If I can do something to remedy them then I take actions to overcome them. Like being shy around girls as a teenager, I made friends with guys that were good with women and learned from them. I'm constantly gathering stuff to dig into and learn about, most recently computer programming, how to play guitar, and learning languages. I do get accused of being over analytical. I think that's because those are skills I used to learn skills that I wasn't a "natural" at. Some friends say I'm a bit of a know it all. But that's mostly my less educated friends, so the overlap of topics we share knowledge of is smaller. They don't care about classical conditioning and I'm clueless when it comes to the strategy of basketball.

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There is something I've always wondered about...Why is it that the police can't force someone to give a DNA sample, yet it's ok to "steal" it (while following them around everywhere they go for months at a time)?

I've often wondered this too. I'm assuming that if it's left in a public place like the restaurant, it's fair game. Finders keepers, right? :shrug:I find it amazing that Drew was able to clean his desk up so well that he never left behind a single hair. I know he had pretty long hair so it was probably easier to see/clean up, but even an arm hair or something? Wow.I watched the Investigator Discovery show last night. That Lt. Morgan was a piece of work.
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Thanks for sharing netnalp. You mentioned in an earlier post that the Bennett's were disappointed that they didn't get to see Drew stand trial. Have you or any of your family members had any correspondence with the Bennett family?

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There is something I've always wondered about...Why is it that the police can't force someone to give a DNA sample, yet it's ok to "steal" it (while following them around everywhere they go for months at a time)?

I've often wondered this too. I'm assuming that if it's left in a public place like the restaurant, it's fair game. Finders keepers, right? :shrug:I find it amazing that Drew was able to clean his desk up so well that he never left behind a single hair. I know he had pretty long hair so it was probably easier to see/clean up, but even an arm hair or something? Wow.I watched the Investigator Discovery show last night. That Lt. Morgan was a piece of work.
My understanding is that DNA is taken from the root of a hair and that hairs that naturally fall out, don't have a root or the root isn't viable for DNA purposes.
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Thanks for sharing netnalp. You mentioned in an earlier post that the Bennett's were disappointed that they didn't get to see Drew stand trial. Have you or any of your family members had any correspondence with the Bennett family?

No, my family hasn't had any direct communication with the family of the victims. My brothers attorney advised against ever doing so. It is just a general rule of thumb of his that any condolences should be conveyed through reporters. The primary reason for this is that you really don't know how people will react. You have one side that's lost a loved one and another that has a loved one accused or having caused the death of the other, emotions and tension is running high. The attorney said in his experience the potential risks far outweigh any positive outcomes. Face-to-face, there's concerns that things could get violent and he said verbal or written direct communications run the risk of turning into a civil suit or just turn ugly if something is taken the wrong way. For those reason the attorney feels it's best to have a buffer between both parties.The supervisor told the author of the book I've mentioned that she wished to write to my mother, but never followed through. She didn't know if it would be appropriate. She wanted to communicate to my mom that her motivation to help in the investigation was that she thought the police were wrong in suspecting Drew and she thought her efforts would clear him from suspicion.
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There is something I've always wondered about...Why is it that the police can't force someone to give a DNA sample, yet it's ok to "steal" it (while following them around everywhere they go for months at a time)?

I've often wondered this too. I'm assuming that if it's left in a public place like the restaurant, it's fair game. Finders keepers, right? :shrug:I find it amazing that Drew was able to clean his desk up so well that he never left behind a single hair. I know he had pretty long hair so it was probably easier to see/clean up, but even an arm hair or something? Wow.I watched the Investigator Discovery show last night. That Lt. Morgan was a piece of work.
My understanding is that DNA is taken from the root of a hair and that hairs that naturally fall out, don't have a root or the root isn't viable for DNA purposes.
Aha. That would make sense.
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Thanks for sharing netnalp. You mentioned in an earlier post that the Bennett's were disappointed that they didn't get to see Drew stand trial. Have you or any of your family members had any correspondence with the Bennett family?

No, my family hasn't had any direct communication with the family of the victims. My brothers attorney advised against ever doing so. It is just a general rule of thumb of his that any condolences should be conveyed through reporters. The primary reason for this is that you really don't know how people will react. You have one side that's lost a loved one and another that has a loved one accused or having caused the death of the other, emotions and tension is running high. The attorney said in his experience the potential risks far outweigh any positive outcomes. Face-to-face, there's concerns that things could get violent and he said verbal or written direct communications run the risk of turning into a civil suit or just turn ugly if something is taken the wrong way. For those reason the attorney feels it's best to have a buffer between both parties.The supervisor told the author of the book I've mentioned that she wished to write to my mother, but never followed through. She didn't know if it would be appropriate. She wanted to communicate to my mom that her motivation to help in the investigation was that she thought the police were wrong in suspecting Drew and she thought her efforts would clear him from suspicion.
In fact the attorney was proven correct, in that the message from the supervisor was successfully communicated through a third party as well. Good perception. Seems so obvious after hearing or seeing it but it also seems natural to instinctively reach out.
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I saw a 20/20 thing about police following a guy for close to a year To get his DNA. When they questioned him at the station, he smoked a pack of cigs and put all the butts in his pocket. They gave him coffee and he put the cup in his pocket. They gave him a soda and he did the same, but not before telling the detective, "that's the third time you've tried to trick me in I giving you my DNA. You can keep me here forever but it ain't happening.

They eventually got the DNA when he spit on the ground after taking the trash out at work. Matched it to some blood on a broken window and convicted him of murdering a girl.

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Police can take evidence with no warrant when there is no expectation of privacy. A fork at a restaurant or items left in the trash qualify. What i am curious about is what they got dna from in the latex gloves.

I know that during the investigation, there was an advancement in technology. I believe that new advancement was the ability to get DNA information from epithelial tissue. I think it was skin cells they got from the interior of the gloves, it wasn't finger prints they were after. I'll have to check the book to be sure. Edited by netnalp
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There is something I've always wondered about...Why is it that the police can't force someone to give a DNA sample, yet it's ok to "steal" it (while following them around everywhere they go for months at a time)?

I've often wondered this too. I'm assuming that if it's left in a public place like the restaurant, it's fair game. Finders keepers, right? :shrug:I find it amazing that Drew was able to clean his desk up so well that he never left behind a single hair. I know he had pretty long hair so it was probably easier to see/clean up, but even an arm hair or something? Wow.I watched the Investigator Discovery show last night. That Lt. Morgan was a piece of work.
My understanding is that DNA is taken from the root of a hair and that hairs that naturally fall out, don't have a root or the root isn't viable for DNA purposes.
yeah, but not getting sweat or saliva etc of a phone/keyboard/desk? He must've been going Gattaca on it.
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I saw a 20/20 thing about police following a guy for close to a year To get his DNA. When they questioned him at the station, he smoked a pack of cigs and put all the butts in his pocket. They gave him coffee and he put the cup in his pocket. They gave him a soda and he did the same, but not before telling the detective, "that's the third time you've tried to trick me in I giving you my DNA. You can keep me here forever but it ain't happening. They eventually got the DNA when he spit on the ground after taking the trash out at work. Matched it to some blood on a broken window and convicted him of murdering a girl.

as someone who has watched most of these (I watch ID discovery all the time) I think you are crossing your wires with a different case.
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Police can take evidence with no warrant when there is no expectation of privacy. A fork at a restaurant or items left in the trash qualify. What i am curious about is what they got dna from in the latex gloves.

I know that during the investigation, there was an advancement in technology. I believe that new advancement was the ability to get DNA information from epithelial tissue. I think it was skin cells they got from the interior of the gloves, it wasn't finger prints they were after. I'll have to check the book to be sure.
IIRC from the episode the gloves were big and thick (for protection from the chemicals) and were fairly tight fighting for dexterity. Being latex I imagine that you'd sweat a lot in them and likely discard some epithelial cells in the sweat or on the latex as it suctions off your hand. Especially if you weren't thinking that they would target these gloves, and weren't very careful.
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I saw a 20/20 thing about police following a guy for close to a year To get his DNA. When they questioned him at the station, he smoked a pack of cigs and put all the butts in his pocket. They gave him coffee and he put the cup in his pocket. They gave him a soda and he did the same, but not before telling the detective, "that's the third time you've tried to trick me in I giving you my DNA. You can keep me here forever but it ain't happening. They eventually got the DNA when he spit on the ground after taking the trash out at work. Matched it to some blood on a broken window and convicted him of murdering a girl.

as someone who has watched most of these (I watch ID discovery all the time) I think you are crossing your wires with a different case.
I don't think Abe was talking about Drew's case. Just some more DNA insight.
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Wow. Last night I was flipping through the choices on Netflix and decided to see what "Nightmare Next Door" was all about. I had zero idea that there was an episode about Drew. Freaked me out when I saw the episode description. Crazy story.

That's the episode that showed on the Investigation Discovery channel. It's more informative than the Forensic Files.
"Conspiracy of Evil?" Police use the little evidence they have to catch the killer of a woman found murdered in her driveway?It comes on again on Discovery !G (DTV 285), next Sat 1/31 at 11am CT
Checking my directv guide because I'd like to record this. 1/31 is actually a Tuesday and channel 285 is listed as showing "Death without mercy" at this time. Does anyone have the correct info when this will be shown again?
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Wow. Last night I was flipping through the choices on Netflix and decided to see what "Nightmare Next Door" was all about. I had zero idea that there was an episode about Drew. Freaked me out when I saw the episode description. Crazy story.

That's the episode that showed on the Investigation Discovery channel. It's more informative than the Forensic Files.
"Conspiracy of Evil?" Police use the little evidence they have to catch the killer of a woman found murdered in her driveway?It comes on again on Discovery !G (DTV 285), next Sat 1/31 at 11am CT
Checking my directv guide because I'd like to record this. 1/31 is actually a Tuesday and channel 285 is listed as showing "Death without mercy" at this time. Does anyone have the correct info when this will be shown again?
I believe cosjobs post was meant to read Sat 12/31
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Wow... I grew up around and went to HS near the 605 and 91 freeways in the late 70s and I don't remember anything about this or Kraft (though I recognize the Kraft name).

Sorry for your loss so many years ago. Still must be tough to read about things like this.

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Wow... I grew up around and went to HS near the 605 and 91 freeways in the late 70s and I don't remember anything about this or Kraft (though I recognize the Kraft name).Sorry for your loss so many years ago. Still must be tough to read about things like this.

I never knew him since he died when I was two, but it's still freaky to think about. My mom was was his step-mom has been bothered a lot more by it. I'm glad to see that he's getting an honorary discharge to clear his name.
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The attorney doing the wrongful death suit for my mother has sent her a letter that he is getting disbarred. Apparently there were issues with his handling of client's money. He didn't take any money from my mom. He had contacted her initially and the deal was he'd get a share of any money gained form the lawsuit.

My mom may look for another attorney. I don't know if it's worth it since she mainly wants to get reimbursed for funeral expenses. That amount wouldn't stimulate any changes in the way the prison handles the people under it's supervision.

About a potential 3rd victim, which may have been the first of the murders my brother committed. I did learn more of the murder they think it might be, there was a murder in the early 90's where a woman was found in an un-rented apartment in East Lansing. It wasn't an abandoned building, just an empty apartment. I don't know if it was at the same apartment building that the victim lived at or not.

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The attorney doing the wrongful death suit for my mother has sent her a letter that he is getting disbarred. Apparently there were issues with his handling of client's money. He didn't take any money from my mom. He had contacted her initially and the deal was he'd get a share of any money gained form the lawsuit. My mom may look for another attorney. I don't know if it's worth it since she mainly wants to get reimbursed for funeral expenses. That amount wouldn't stimulate any changes in the way the prison handles the people under it's supervision.About a potential 3rd victim, which may have been the first of the murders my brother committed. I did learn more of the murder they think it might be, there was a murder in the early 90's where a woman was found in an un-rented apartment in East Lansing. It wasn't an abandoned building, just an empty apartment. I don't know if it was at the same apartment building that the victim lived at or not.

Filing a suit like this won't be worth the pain it will cause the victims, especially if successful. Though if your true goal would be to highlight the abuses by guards/problem with the system donating any proceeds to the families of the victims would be a nice touch.
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The attorney doing the wrongful death suit for my mother has sent her a letter that he is getting disbarred. Apparently there were issues with his handling of client's money. He didn't take any money from my mom. He had contacted her initially and the deal was he'd get a share of any money gained form the lawsuit. My mom may look for another attorney. I don't know if it's worth it since she mainly wants to get reimbursed for funeral expenses. That amount wouldn't stimulate any changes in the way the prison handles the people under it's supervision.About a potential 3rd victim, which may have been the first of the murders my brother committed. I did learn more of the murder they think it might be, there was a murder in the early 90's where a woman was found in an un-rented apartment in East Lansing. It wasn't an abandoned building, just an empty apartment. I don't know if it was at the same apartment building that the victim lived at or not.

Filing a suit like this won't be worth the pain it will cause the victims, especially if successful. Though if your true goal would be to highlight the abuses by guards/problem with the system donating any proceeds to the families of the victims would be a nice touch.
My mother's intent is to have the prison recognize that they mistreated a person in their custody. Especially one that hadn't had their due process. The warden went against the recommendations of the prison psychiatrist. And their suicide watch policy was to check on the person every 30 minutes. I think the lawsuit won't accomplish anything. The one support I have for the lawsuit would be to create change before someone who turns out to be innocent dies or kills themselves. However I think that's what it would ultimately take, is for someone that is eventually found innocent, to kill themselves while in custody.One action of the lawsuit the attorney sought to do, that I don't agree with was to get the charges suspended or taken off the record since a conviction never occurred. Maybe it's a case where they try to get the charges to be waived so they can't be presented in court, or maybe the attorney asks for a lot, so they have stuff to give up when negotiating a settlement.I doubt anything will come of the lawsuit, but giving proceeds to the victim's families, if there were any is a sensible thing. The problem is, would doing that open the door for lawsuits against my mother. My brother's attorney's advised us to directly communicate with the victim's family because of concern that it could lead to lawsuits against us. They gave us the impression that in a civil court could things we say could be used to imply we have some responsibility. Seems far fetched to me. Maybe they were just being extra cautious or wanted to make sure anything we had to say regarding the case was filtered through the attorney's first. Edited by netnalp
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Received the files back from the attorney that was handling the wrongful death lawsuit. Since he's disbarred, my mother will get another attorney. She was thinking about dropping it but documentation of misconduct by the prison officials and supervisors has renewed her interest in pursuing the lawsuit. She'd like to see criminal charges too.

(To clarify, this isn't the police criminal investigation file)

Here's a transcript from the file:

Date: 10131/2006 09:40 AM Staff: LAURA Topic: DOCTOR CONTACT

Telephone conf with Neal & Laura and Dr Aytch:

When Drew was arrested, he was taken to Central Prison due to his psychological issues.

In ref to Drew Planton: Dr Aytch had only seen Drew a few times although he was chief Psychologist

at the inpatient psychiatric dept and should be rotating among all the floors-- but at the time Drew was

in Central prison the jail was short on psychologists so Dr Aycth was talking care of a single f loor at

that time, but he was still supervising the psychologists on Drew's floor)

Previously, the mental hospital at Central prison had a great deal of influnce on their dept as

everything was done in house. Due to the hospital admin-- Bennie Lang-- the mental hospital lost their

autonomy therefore losing the ability to make their own decisions and losing a certain amount of their

inf luence which led to alot of wrong doing and broken rules which put the psychologists at risk as they

were not able to do the right thing.-- the consequence was a trend to disregard the rules and

privaleges towards psychiatric patients

Drew was in a severe psychological condition at the time to the extent that he was not responding to

anything people were saying in court or in the jail-- his unresponsiveness in the prison was looked

upon as an infraction-- as he was nol obeying orders-- which led him to 90 days of solitary

confinement-- called condition of confinement (COC).

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Drew was suffereng f rom acute stress reaction where he gradually became unresponsive. He

gradually became more responsive with the nurses and starled eating again-- Drew was a perfect

candidate for SUSPENSION of his COC. At that time the warden was not considereing any

suspensions of the COC-- he went as lar as saying that no one should even bother to submit any

requests as he will not even look at them or consider them.-- (he believed that severe punishment was

the solution for wrong doing and that was the way to prevent recurrences) . NOTE: Drew was not

aware he was eligible for this, but Dr H felt he was the perfect candidate for the suspension of the

coc.

Another note is that anyone in solitary conf inement is allowed t hour to get out of the cell to go outside

and to shower-- wellthey were not following that either.. Drew was hardly allowed 15 minutes to go

and shower and to return to his cell-- he even asked the nurses if he could have some more time to

stay out as he felt the walls were getting smaller-- but the jail staff ref used-- that was a well known

major break in the rule there.

Well after Drew was showing improvement and becoming more interactive-- his condition stafted to

decline due to the fact that he was not able to get out of his cell (the major issues with psychiatric

patients is the lack of stimulation -- therefore that hour outside the cell is vital). Nothing was done

about his decline.

They then later found him dead in his cell.

The SBI came to investigate, but never interviewed Dr Acyth even though he was the chief

psychologist. He found that strange.

Dr Acyth said he thought he was hired to bring about good changes in Central Prison-- but was getting

written up for the things he was doing to improve the department and for wanting to train the nurses.

He later quit and is teaching at CCU.

Chief Psychologist is Gordon Lavin

One of the nurses that delt with Drew is Maria

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I wouldn't have thought that solitary could have such an impact. But never having been in that situation, I'm naive on the psychological impact it would have.

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Remind me again why the workplace decided to keep a suspected serial killer on the payroll? They couldn't come up with probable cause to fire the guy? Couldn't they get a blood draw for a drug test?

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Remind me again why the workplace decided to keep a suspected serial killer on the payroll? They couldn't come up with probable cause to fire the guy? Couldn't they get a blood draw for a drug test?

Yeah, I'm definitely in the confused camp with how upset people get when they're lied to on this show.

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Just read through this thread last night & this morning. It blew me away. This sounds dumb I know- I've always appreciated Netnalps contributions about the NYG in the Shark Pool. I'm completely amazed at his ability to share & discuss something so personal. You really do have a knack for writing & I think you should pursue it. Thanks for sharing

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