Brother is a serial Killer (2 Viewers)

'netnalp said:

'Chadstroma said:

You do realize this crap does not happen to the rest of us, right? I mean, I am tempted to disbelieve you and that this is the all time biggest fishing story in the FFA- but at the same time it rings with truth. If you are not putting us on- dang bud, I am sorry for the crazy life and have to give you tons of props for coming out of this a well adjusted upstanding person. If you are putting us on- stop and write a book because you will make tons of money.

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Yeah, I understand. I don't dwell on that though. I don't want these events to define me. I could, let this stuff push me into a deep depression. I could numb myself with narcotics and alcohol. And the sad thing is most people would let me. They would understand, that I'd had a hard life and make excuses for me if I played the victim. I can't give up like that.What this has done is, made me more aware of I define as "happening to me." My brother went to prison and killed himself. Something happening to my brother seems worlds apart from it actually happening to me. I hope that makes sense. I certainly feel empathy for the suffering of others. I just don't get drawn in emotionally as much as I would have before so much happened. In the healthcare field I think this helps.I guess and analogy would be, if someone falls through the ice on a lake. You aren't much help if you jump in with them. If you stay on solid ice and use the tools available, you have a much better chance of helping.

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'netnalp said:

'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.

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Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...

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That's one of the things that my Grandmother points to that she thinks he faked his death. It does seem odd that what is said to be an "accident" could have been prevented by following the advice from the article, my dad had sent Morasco. Even stranger, was Don Morasco did not own a wood burning stove. My dad's wood burning stove is supposedly the cause of his own death.

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'Smack Tripper said:

Thank you for sharing. It's sad to see the fragility of our choices in life. I read your words and wonder if things could have worked out different for him before he killed. He of course has to answer for his actions but you wonder what small moments could be big ones for all of us. Do you love your brother still?How would or will you explaon him if you have kids.

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'randall146 said:

netnalp - Did you ever meet this Don Morasco character? Could that have actually been your dad?

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'Leeroy Jenkins said:

Holy #### that penguin meme is scary accurate. I forget people's names pretty much immediately. Not to derail. Sorry. But I am just amazed by the thing.

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'Wooderson said:

'netnalp said:

'Sea Duck said:

Netnalp, do you ever feel guilty? Do you ever look back at things you did as a kid and wonder if they might have contributed to your brother's condition?

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I don't feel that I am responsible for contributing to my brother's mind set that led him to kill. Any things I did towards him that were mean spirited I feel were retaliatory. I tried to avoid him and he would seek me out to harass. I think like most bullies, he had low-self esteem. By antagonizing me, it would give him an ego boost, an adrenaline rush to improve his own mood. I don't feel guilt. I do get angry at my brother for the people he killed. It's not just the bodies that he left. It's also that in taking those lives, he wiped out whole generations of someones family. Future progeny now extinct. That's what bugs me.

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I know it's been said many times. But it's impressive how well you can handle this terrible things in your life.I'm curious do you partake in drugs or alcohol at all? I would think with the things that have happened in your past that you would have to stay away from negative habits.

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'Ignoramus said:

'netnalp said:

'comfortably numb said:

Did your brother have any fascinations with serial killers in general at a younger age?I'm asking...for a friend of mine

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Not that I knew of. His big interests as a kid were money, WWF wrestling, his pet cats and fish, sci/fi fantasy books, pocket knives. As and adult, video games and pornography.

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Surely as an adult he had some other interests... right?Also asking for a friend of mine.

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'netnalp said:

'Ignoramus said:

'netnalp said:

'comfortably numb said:

Did your brother have any fascinations with serial killers in general at a younger age?

I'm asking...for a friend of mine

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Not that I knew of. His big interests as a kid were money, WWF wrestling, his pet cats and fish, sci/fi fantasy books, pocket knives. As and adult, video games and pornography.

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Surely as an adult he had some other interests... right?

Also asking for a friend of mine.

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Lets see as an adult other interests? Guns, regular movies, maybe he liked football still? Hoarding food, for instance, he had something like 293 jars of spaghetti sauce.

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'doowain said:

'One said:

Been following this thread and was stunned cause I saw this on Forensic Files or one of those shows. I appreciate you sharing, netnalp.

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Same here. Appreciate your transparency in this. It was Forensic Files. I remember his episode. I think it's the one where the police watched him outside his job on smoke breaks, hoping to catch his DNA. He'd always put them out and take them inside with him. Then I think he planted someone else's DNA on a butt or a plastic bottle or something to throw off the police he knew were watching him.

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'Chadstroma said:

Bob Jones University.... the pure horror stories I have heard about that place and the disturbing behavior of people while there and after.

Being that that school is suppose to be a Christian school and your mother grew up around faith, how has her faith been affected? What are your own views on faith and God? Have they been changed in any way due to all of this?

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There she met Robert Planten, whose family was "a pillar of the church," she said.

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'identikit said:

Did you ever see any indication of animal torture by your brother?IIRC he had a dog at least at one time, plus he had hoped to become a veterinarian.

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'netnalp said:

'Ignoramus said:

'netnalp said:

'comfortably numb said:

Did your brother have any fascinations with serial killers in general at a younger age?

I'm asking...for a friend of mine

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Not that I knew of. His big interests as a kid were money, WWF wrestling, his pet cats and fish, sci/fi fantasy books, pocket knives. As and adult, video games and pornography.

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Surely as an adult he had some other interests... right?

Also asking for a friend of mine.

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Lets see as an adult other interests? Guns, regular movies, maybe he liked football still? Hoarding food, for instance, he had something like 293 jars of spaghetti sauce. Cars, though he'd never spend money for a good one. He got two cars his senior year of high school, a Mustang II and a '79 Camaro. He never owned another car. Didn't fix them up either. Owned both till he died.

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'cosjobs said:

Maybe someone could get an episode number ot title. I bet its available somewhere like on demand, netflix, or prime

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'Leeroy Jenkins said:

Holy #### that penguin meme is scary accurate.

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'cstu said:

'Chadstroma said:

Bob Jones University.... the pure horror stories I have heard about that place and the disturbing behavior of people while there and after.

Being that that school is suppose to be a Christian school and your mother grew up around faith, how has her faith been affected? What are your own views on faith and God? Have they been changed in any way due to all of this?

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I found it interesting that his father was a minister and the mother didn't want to leave even with the abuse because of religion. An article I read said that the brother convicted of peeping had joining a religious cult prior to the peeping incident. After reading what he wrote about his father's family this quote really creeped me out:

There she met Robert Planten, whose family was "a pillar of the church," she said.

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Stuff like that is why I have absolutely no interest in religion.

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She was the driving force behind a domestic violence shelter and had the shelter's hot line routed to her office, where she fielded calls from battered women.

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'Aaron Rudnicki said:

'identikit said:

Did you ever see any indication of animal torture by your brother?IIRC he had a dog at least at one time, plus he had hoped to become a veterinarian.

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asked and answered

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'Clinton said:

netnalp, a couple questions...1) Is there any consideration of your brother using an insanity defense? Or do you think he was sane when he committed his murders?2) What do you anticipate your relationship will be with your brother going forward? Will you cut him out of your life? Will you try to help him through what lies ahead?

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'General Malaise said:

'netnalp said:

'omally said:

'Leeroy Jenkins said:

What police departments are we talking about here? Seems like a lot of people dropped the ball.

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The Raleigh police department originally had little to go on. Coincidentally there were two peepers at the time, but they thought there was just one, and the one they caught wasn't a DNA match. They had a composite sketch that looked nothing like Planten. They had all types of accounts with various descriptions of various people. They really should have canvased neighboring apartments at the time, but didn't. What broke the case open was the lead detective retired, and another took over. A guy they called the "garbage man". He went through everything. This was three years after the murder, and he read all reports, and reinterviewed people, and discovered there was a tall thin guy who walked a large dark dog, and wore a hoodie and sunglasses, and was seen around the complex several times prior to the murder, and then disappeared afterwards. The detective made this public, and calls came in, which led to the neighbor who saw a man with a dog peek into Stephanie's window and run through the woods towards another apartment complex just two or three weeks before the murder. Why this person never came forward with this information when the murder happened was never said. The detective went to this other apartment complex, and got the name Drew Planten based on the description of him and his dog. Planten became his person of interest, and it turned out he was the guy. The arrest of Planten led police to another murder in Michigan, and possible others. Murders aren't always easy to solve, but they did solve Stephanie's and the young lady in Michigan. Who knows if there were more.

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I've read many times that the composite sketch wasn't accurate. I always felt it was pretty close. The problem was they assumed short hair. When witnesses saw him with a hoodie.I have no clue why the canvasing wasn't larger. My mom told me when she helped Drew move from that apartment, he had her stop by a dumpster, the kind used by builders for demolition scrap. The dumpster was kind of out of the way, yet still in the neighborhood of the complexes. She says he hopped into the dumpster, and came back out without anything a few minutes later. She remembers it because she thought it was odd that he had a big grin on his face after he got out of the dumpster. My suspicion is that is where he dumped the ligature.

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Does your mom admit to herself that Drew was the killer?

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'netnalp said:

'Wooderson said:

'netnalp said:

'Sea Duck said:

Netnalp, do you ever feel guilty? Do you ever look back at things you did as a kid and wonder if they might have contributed to your brother's condition?

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I don't feel that I am responsible for contributing to my brother's mind set that led him to kill. Any things I did towards him that were mean spirited I feel were retaliatory. I tried to avoid him and he would seek me out to harass. I think like most bullies, he had low-self esteem. By antagonizing me, it would give him an ego boost, an adrenaline rush to improve his own mood. I don't feel guilt. I do get angry at my brother for the people he killed. It's not just the bodies that he left. It's also that in taking those lives, he wiped out whole generations of someones family. Future progeny now extinct. That's what bugs me.

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I know it's been said many times. But it's impressive how well you can handle this terrible things in your life.I'm curious do you partake in drugs or alcohol at all? I would think with the things that have happened in your past that you would have to stay away from negative habits.

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I was strongly against drugs when I was younger. Even felt resentful if a friend would try weed. I finally tried weed at age 25 and used it about ten times that year. Back then, I even bought an ounce of brick weed. Over a few months I smoked about half of it. Then forgot where I hid it. I found it once when I when I was about 30 and hid it in a different place, somewhere where "I wouldn't forget where it was." I forget where that was. It has to be in my possession somewhere. I know it wasn't hidden in a fixed location like in part of a building. The first time I hid it was in the cap of an aerosol can.So, I've softened my stance on weed. Would I get more? Nah.Just a social drinker. I like Guinness and pairing wines with food. But I don't medicate with booze.

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'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

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'Parmcat said:

Just read this whole thread....Thank you for sharing.....facinating, in a wierd, sad way.Drew really sounds like a Narcissistic Sociopath. I think it is very very odd to have 2 members of one family be peepers also. Was there ever any speculation at all of any abuse towards the brothers by anyone...family or not?I am also impressed by your strength!

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Reading through the thread the one thing that has struck me was the narcissism. I suppose the lack of or inability to have empathy for others is a prerequisite for being a murderer. netnalp, do you agree that your brother was narcissistic? Did you know about his intense jealousy and view that you were favored as a child or was that only revealed later as in the response to the letter talking about throwing the logs into the car, etc? Have you thought about writing a book on the subject?

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Yes, I would say he was narcissistic. But he kept it internally. He wouldn't vocalize that he felt upset emotionally. When he talked of fairness it was always about material things. It was like a business transaction. He'd get loud and angry to get his way but he wouldn't cry and act sad about it. I believe that would be showing weakness.His jealousy always seemed to be there. My brothers and I have discussed the "fairness" of treatment. We agree mom was equally attentive and caring. With my dad it was more who bore the brunt of his physical and mental abuse. Attention from dad was a bad thing. The oldest two feel I got the worst of it. I feel the oldest got the worst. And what is telling to me is that Drew was the only one that named himself as getting the worst. Especially when the older two brother and I agree that Drew got the least amount of negative attention from our father. I wish I'd have known back then, I'd have gladly shared some of dad's attention with Drew.

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I wonder if there was some form of guilt in that he did not get the attention of Dad as the rest of you did. Or maybe that just is not in the cards if he was narcissistic and that he just thought he deserved more. Looking back, do you see any times that maybe you or other family members could have been a victim or at least he thought about it (other than the father and the time he let you out of the house)? Is there a point where you think the whole murder thing clicked with him or do you think it was just building up over this life?

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'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.

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Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...

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That's one of the things that my Grandmother points to that she thinks he faked his death. It does seem odd that what is said to be an "accident" could have been prevented by following the advice from the article, my dad had sent Morasco. Even stranger, was Don Morasco did not own a wood burning stove. My dad's wood burning stove is supposedly the cause of his own death.

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Yea, why would your Dad send that stuff? It seems to me the possibilities are that your Dad committed suicide, he knew someone was going to kill him like that (that does not make much sense to me) or that he indeed faked his death for whatever reason and made a deal with this Don guy to get his stuff after the fake death. Is there any chance that Don actually killed him? The motive being the stuff he tried to get after and actually did end up getting half of it.

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'Mr. Know-It-All said:

'cstu said:

'Chadstroma said:

Bob Jones University.... the pure horror stories I have heard about that place and the disturbing behavior of people while there and after.

Being that that school is suppose to be a Christian school and your mother grew up around faith, how has her faith been affected? What are your own views on faith and God? Have they been changed in any way due to all of this?

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I found it interesting that his father was a minister and the mother didn't want to leave even with the abuse because of religion. An article I read said that the brother convicted of peeping had joining a religious cult prior to the peeping incident. After reading what he wrote about his father's family this quote really creeped me out:

There she met Robert Planten, whose family was "a pillar of the church," she said.

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Stuff like that is why I have absolutely no interest in religion.

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In fairness, Drew attended college so I suppose you should have no interest in higher education either. I get your point though - you hear about things like this or the BTK guy down in Kansas and hear about how they (or those around them) carried on the facade of being righteous and it kind of makes you sick.

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'netnalp said:

C) I think either the rage or the hopelessness that he'd ever be happy built up till he simply gave himself permission to go ahead and attack these women. I think sex was the primary goal. I'm not sure that he derived enjoyment from the killing or killing was merely what he perceived to be the best way to avoid being caught.

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'Chadstroma said:

Bob Jones University.... the pure horror stories I have heard about that place and the disturbing behavior of people while there and after. Being that that school is suppose to be a Christian school and your mother grew up around faith, how has her faith been affected? What are your own views on faith and God? Have they been changed in any way due to all of this?

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'netnalp said:

C) I think either the rage or the hopelessness that he'd ever be happy built up till he simply gave himself permission to go ahead and attack these women. I think sex was the primary goal. I'm not sure that he derived enjoyment from the killing or killing was merely what he perceived to be the best way to avoid being caught.

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The murder in North Carolina was a sexual murder, but what about the one in Michigan? The woman was shot in the head in her driveway. Was she sexually assaulted prior?

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'netnalp said:

'drfeelgood said:

'netnalp said:

C) I think either the rage or the hopelessness that he'd ever be happy built up till he simply gave himself permission to go ahead and attack these women. I think sex was the primary goal. I'm not sure that he derived enjoyment from the killing or killing was merely what he perceived to be the best way to avoid being caught.

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The murder in North Carolina was a sexual murder, but what about the one in Michigan? The woman was shot in the head in her driveway. Was she sexually assaulted prior?

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Police reports and I agree that it looks like Rebecca refused to move to another location. So he killed at the car. I think to maintain anonymity.

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'netnalp said:

'Ignoramus said:

'netnalp said:

'comfortably numb said:

Did your brother have any fascinations with serial killers in general at a younger age?

I'm asking...for a friend of mine

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Not that I knew of. His big interests as a kid were money, WWF wrestling, his pet cats and fish, sci/fi fantasy books, pocket knives. As and adult, video games and pornography.

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Surely as an adult he had some other interests... right?

Also asking for a friend of mine.

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Lets see as an adult other interests? Guns, regular movies, maybe he liked football still? Hoarding food, for instance, he had something like 293 jars of spaghetti sauce. Cars, though he'd never spend money for a good one. He got two cars his senior year of high school, a Mustang II and a '79 Camaro. He never owned another car. Didn't fix them up either. Owned both till he died.

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Ron your willingness and candid responses have been amazing. I dont know how you do it. Your mother sounds like an amazing woman.One question, in that article earlier your mother said your father beat his sons, yet you said he never hit any of you. How come your mother thinks otherwise?

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'netnalp said:

'shadyridr said:

Ron your willingness and candid responses have been amazing. I dont know how you do it. Your mother sounds like an amazing woman.One question, in that article earlier your mother said your father beat his sons, yet you said he never hit any of you. How come your mother thinks otherwise?

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Ron is the oldest brother, not me. I'm trying to not use my 1st name in the thread just in case this forum would pop up in a google search.I believe I said or my intent was to say that my father never hit my mother. He spanked us kids, slapped and punched at times. In my opinion though it wasn't much different from other kids parents in the neighborhood. Probably more frequent though. What my mom means by "abuse" is not just physical stuff. The final straw was when someone left a clog in the toilet. Probably was a neighborhood kid. Drew and I were the only ones living at home at that time and we both claimed we didn't know who did it. My dad grabbed us by our necks and pushed our heads into the opening of the toilet, stopping about an inch before our faces touched the mess. He threatened to stick our heads in if we didn't admit who did it. Drew and I both felt whomever admitted it was going to get dunked. Eventually I lied and said I did it. He let us up and I got whipped with the belt. Drew told my mom that she needed to get rid of my dad. The next day she filed for divorce.

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'drfeelgood said:

'netnalp said:

C) I think either the rage or the hopelessness that he'd ever be happy built up till he simply gave himself permission to go ahead and attack these women. I think sex was the primary goal. I'm not sure that he derived enjoyment from the killing or killing was merely what he perceived to be the best way to avoid being caught.

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The murder in North Carolina was a sexual murder, but what about the one in Michigan? The woman was shot in the head in her driveway. Was she sexually assaulted prior?

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'shadyridr said:

'netnalp said:

'shadyridr said:

Ron your willingness and candid responses have been amazing. I dont know how you do it. Your mother sounds like an amazing woman.One question, in that article earlier your mother said your father beat his sons, yet you said he never hit any of you. How come your mother thinks otherwise?

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Ron is the oldest brother, not me. I'm trying to not use my 1st name in the thread just in case this forum would pop up in a google search.I believe I said or my intent was to say that my father never hit my mother. He spanked us kids, slapped and punched at times. In my opinion though it wasn't much different from other kids parents in the neighborhood. Probably more frequent though. What my mom means by "abuse" is not just physical stuff. The final straw was when someone left a clog in the toilet. Probably was a neighborhood kid. Drew and I were the only ones living at home at that time and we both claimed we didn't know who did it. My dad grabbed us by our necks and pushed our heads into the opening of the toilet, stopping about an inch before our faces touched the mess. He threatened to stick our heads in if we didn't admit who did it. Drew and I both felt whomever admitted it was going to get dunked. Eventually I lied and said I did it. He let us up and I got whipped with the belt. Drew told my mom that she needed to get rid of my dad. The next day she filed for divorce.

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my bad man. I googled your father's friend and this thread was on the 1st page of results. You might wanna delete that.

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'Aaron Rudnicki said:

shadyridr, maybe you should think about posting less in here. just a suggestion.

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'Ignoramus said:

'shadyridr said:

'netnalp said:

'shadyridr said:

Ron your willingness and candid responses have been amazing. I dont know how you do it. Your mother sounds like an amazing woman.One question, in that article earlier your mother said your father beat his sons, yet you said he never hit any of you. How come your mother thinks otherwise?

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Ron is the oldest brother, not me. I'm trying to not use my 1st name in the thread just in case this forum would pop up in a google search.I believe I said or my intent was to say that my father never hit my mother. He spanked us kids, slapped and punched at times. In my opinion though it wasn't much different from other kids parents in the neighborhood. Probably more frequent though. What my mom means by "abuse" is not just physical stuff. The final straw was when someone left a clog in the toilet. Probably was a neighborhood kid. Drew and I were the only ones living at home at that time and we both claimed we didn't know who did it. My dad grabbed us by our necks and pushed our heads into the opening of the toilet, stopping about an inch before our faces touched the mess. He threatened to stick our heads in if we didn't admit who did it. Drew and I both felt whomever admitted it was going to get dunked. Eventually I lied and said I did it. He let us up and I got whipped with the belt. Drew told my mom that she needed to get rid of my dad. The next day she filed for divorce.

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my bad man. I googled your father's friend and this thread was on the 1st page of results. You might wanna delete that.

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'Aaron Rudnicki said:

shadyridr, maybe you should think about posting less in here. just a suggestion.

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'shadyridr said:

just trying to help the guy out.

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'cstu said:

'drfeelgood said:

'netnalp said:

C) I think either the rage or the hopelessness that he'd ever be happy built up till he simply gave himself permission to go ahead and attack these women. I think sex was the primary goal. I'm not sure that he derived enjoyment from the killing or killing was merely what he perceived to be the best way to avoid being caught.

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The murder in North Carolina was a sexual murder, but what about the one in Michigan? The woman was shot in the head in her driveway. Was she sexually assaulted prior?

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She was a stripper so my guess is that she rejected his advances and probably mocked him.

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'Aaron Rudnicki said:

'shadyridr said:

just trying to help the guy out.

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I think he's maybe wondering why you busted out the first name shtick to begin with.

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'shadyridr said:

5 other people agreed but it seems all those posts were deleted?Anyway, one thing I dont understand about why he is so defensive about not being a pedophile. The criminal acts both of his brothers committed had nothing to do with pedophilia. One of his brothers raped and murdered women and his other brother watched women getting dressed and was obsessed with (Im assuming) legal porn. So Im not getting the whole connection to why hes so defensive about not being a pedophile. Wondering if he can answer this.

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'Oracle said:

My favorite is High Expectations Asian Father.

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'madhatter said:

Shady, your life sucks right now. We know because you ##### about it constantly. That doesn't mean you should be a cynical ##### to everyone else though.

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'cstu said:

'Chadstroma said:

Bob Jones University.... the pure horror stories I have heard about that place and the disturbing behavior of people while there and after.

Being that that school is suppose to be a Christian school and your mother grew up around faith, how has her faith been affected? What are your own views on faith and God? Have they been changed in any way due to all of this?

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I found it interesting that his father was a minister and the mother didn't want to leave even with the abuse because of religion. An article I read said that the brother convicted of peeping had joining a religious cult prior to the peeping incident. After reading what he wrote about his father's family this quote really creeped me out:

There she met Robert Planten, whose family was "a pillar of the church," she said.

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Stuff like that is why I have absolutely no interest in religion.

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'Mr. Pickles said:

'netnalp said:

Ok, since I've caught up on most of the questions. I'll go into the strange circumstances of my father's death.

First off, it was investigated and it isn't possible that Drew killed my father. I'm not saying he wouldn't have wanted to, the time to go from Michigan to Cheyenne, Wyoming makes it impossible. As kids Drew did talk about maybe putting poison mushrooms on dad's pizza. The most creative idea Drew thought of was to get dad to ingest the sap from milkweed plants that grew in the yard. Apparently Drew was onto something, according to wiki:

"Milkweed also contains cardiac glycoside poisons which inhibit animal cells from maintaining a proper K+, Ca+ concentration gradient.[citation needed] As a result many natives of South America and Africa used arrows poisoned with these glycosides to fight and hunt more effectively. Milkweed is toxic and may cause death when animals consume 10% of their body weight in any part of the plant."

Can't imagine he'd have been able to get dad to eat 18-20 lbs of the stuff.

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Anyway back to the actual death of my father. He died through C02 asphyxiation from a clogged wood burning stove pipe. This also started a fire. The body charred body was removed before being completely consumed. The remains were identified by the landlord. The Fire Marshal assured me that it was an accidental death and there was no way someone could have intentionally started the fire and that the body wasn't damaged to the point that it wasn't identifiable.

Three days after my father's death I get a call from a man that claimed to be an old college friend of my dad's named Don Morasco. Morasco told me that he had received in the mail an envelope from my father that contained the keys to a car, a key to a storage locker and an article on how to clean the exhaust pipe of a wood burning stove to prevent a fire and the accumulation of CO2. (I called the Fire Marshal about this and I #### you not, he still insisted it was an accident).

Morasco said my dad had owed the landlord back rent. So the landlord was starting a lawsuit to claim my dad's possessions to pay the debt. Morasco said he wanted to collect the possessions and give them to my brothers and I. But to do so, he needed us to sign a legal document releasing our rights to the property and giving him permission to claim them.

The storage locker and the car were filled with all of my dad's possessions. And he had just paid on the renter's insurance on the place so he wasn't planning to move. Morasco then secretly tries to files some legal paper work that would make him the heir to any insurance and pension money of my dad's. I think it was the friend of the court or someone like that, that gave us a heads up on the attempt to screw us over. Eventually a settlement was reached and Morasco got half of the possessions and money.

My dad's parent's wanted to take care of the funeral. So we arrive at the grave site. There's no casket, no urn, just a hole. A UPS man comes up to me and asks me to sign for the package he is carrying. It was a cardboard box containing my dad's ashes. My grandfather grabs it and drops it into the hole. then the Pastor started the ceremony. It was so ridiculous I found it funny. It was like they were burying their mail.

About a decade later my Grandfather dies, and once he was gone my Grandmother has started saying that she believes my father is still alive.

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This is already more interesting than Season 6 of Dexter.

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Damn it! I'm on Season 2. Was hoping it stayed great and didn't "Entourage" itself.

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'Crazy Canuck said:

Wow. Is this the typical content in the FFA?

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'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

'Chadstroma said:

'netnalp said:

I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.

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Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...

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That's one of the things that my Grandmother points to that she thinks he faked his death. It does seem odd that what is said to be an "accident" could have been prevented by following the advice from the article, my dad had sent Morasco. Even stranger, was Don Morasco did not own a wood burning stove. My dad's wood burning stove is supposedly the cause of his own death.

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Yea, why would your Dad send that stuff? It seems to me the possibilities are that your Dad committed suicide, he knew someone was going to kill him like that (that does not make much sense to me) or that he indeed faked his death for whatever reason and made a deal with this Don guy to get his stuff after the fake death. Is there any chance that Don actually killed him? The motive being the stuff he tried to get after and actually did end up getting half of it.

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