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Indefinite Tampa Bay Bucs thread: Somehow not on the list of teams to never have won a Super Bowl (1 Viewer)
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Grahamburn
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If they want to win it needs to be through Jameis.
Stop deferring the kickoff. Stop playing garbage cover 2. Take some chances on defense. If they hit a big play who cares? Letting 40 year old QBs. Go on multiple 10+ play drives isn't a recipe for success.
Playing that weak zone when you can't get pressure isn't making even an average QB lose any sleep.
Stop deferring the kickoff. Stop playing garbage cover 2. Take some chances on defense. If they hit a big play who cares? Letting 40 year old QBs. Go on multiple 10+ play drives isn't a recipe for success.
Playing that weak zone when you can't get pressure isn't making even an average QB lose any sleep.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Back up to .500! I doubt it happens and think we split, but don't look now, next 3 games (NOLA, @STL, CHI before @Carolina for what could possibly be for 16-0) actually look winnable. 9-7 is at least semi-plausible.
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BobbyLayne
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That was a pretty epic run by Winston on 3rd & 19. Congrats on a big win today.
Grahamburn
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Pretty pathetic record with the schedule they've played, honestly. Worst part of it is if they'd just kept Barth all year and Evans makes a few catches here and there they'd have at least 3 more wins.
Grahamburn
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ShamrockPride
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Grahamburn
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Quez
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Despite me feeling the economy still isn't as strong as perceived, there should of been more people in the stadium. We have about a million more people in the Tampa metro area than we did in sell-out years in the early 2000's. Maybe they need to string together a couple +.500 seasons, then things will change.
I read that they might be playing the 2 preseason games elsewhere, so that would lower the overall season ticket price. That could encourage more sales.
Ticket prices & concession prices are still too high. $9 for a beer should be a crime.
Early 2000 we didn't all have hi-def Tvs, and Redzone to compete with the live experience either.
I read that they might be playing the 2 preseason games elsewhere, so that would lower the overall season ticket price. That could encourage more sales.
Ticket prices & concession prices are still too high. $9 for a beer should be a crime.
Early 2000 we didn't all have hi-def Tvs, and Redzone to compete with the live experience either.
Bucs have a franchise QB. Now they got to build around him. Improve the OLine. Get some more weapons on O. The D needs to improve, but if you've got a franchise QB, load up the offense and get a defense that is built to get after the QB and allow them to win 35-25. Follow the Indy blueprint from when Peyton was there.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Not throwing a pick or two away every other year on a QB will definitely help shore up some other areas. I think they're finally to a point where they can actually implement the cliched "best player available" strategy. Don't pigeon hole yourself into any position or side of the ball.
There are plenty of weaknesses still on this team, but we can finally say quarterback isn't one of them.
There are plenty of weaknesses still on this team, but we can finally say quarterback isn't one of them.
Capella
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Yea there's not a lot of holes on offense. I think they can go another year with this Oline -- they probably need to find another receiver to replace vjax soon, but the focus should be on defense. Particularly end. I have to imagine they'll draft a corner high or sign somebody.
But yea maybe they won't be forced into something and can take best available. Light can draft -- should be a fun offseason.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Mankins and Dotson will be free agents after 2016. Defense is definitely the more glaring need, especially at DE and in the secondary, but I just think they're in a position where if the best player happens to be a guard, RT, or WR then jump at the chance to keep giving your QB positive assets.
Grahamburn
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lol
ShamrockPride
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Who's in charge of the defensive play calling? I'd assume Lovie takes that side of the ball? I don't trust the scheme/play calling. I worry more about that on defense than our actual players, and that's not to say we can't use improvement in personnel, but I think a coaching change will be due down the line, and I hope it doesn't come too late.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Reflecting on the fact that Tim Hightower, Willie Snead, Ben Watson, and Marques Colston lit this defense up yesterday. What a joke.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea. No pass rush. People on Twitter were killing 38 but what could he do? Guard those guys for 10 seconds? There was barely one hand in Brees' face all day.
Quez
Footballguy
Attendance is a pretty relevant & important metric for a number of reasons. 1st off, the game experience will never be great with the stadium half full. Second, it is an indicator of the local economy, which is of interest to me.
I bumped this post because I stumbled across a Ticket stub from the Bucs/Cle game in 2001. The game Alstott went off vs playoff bound Tim Couch led Browns. It was a sec 311 ticket for $49. The cheapest pair of seats I could find for the Bears game was about $300 for a pair, top corner.
Why is Raymond James so empty at home games that have playoff implications? What is the difference between today & 2001?
-a million more people in Tampa
-ticket prices have tripled
-the local economy isn't at pre-2008 levels, but it is much better than it was following 2008.
Maybe they need to string together a few winning seasons, but my speculation is ticket prices are still heavily inflated.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Wonder how they'll come out for a Thursday night road game after an embarrassing loss. It will say a lot about their makeup if they can pull out a win.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Case Keenum getting them tonight, and he's not the only bottom feeder QB to carve up the vaunted Tampa 2. Kirk Cousins. Marcus Mariota. Ryan freaking Mallet. Eli. It's pitch and catch against these guys.
Lovie needs to go. I'm convinced he'll never change, and he'll never beat a good offense when it matters. This franchise is going to waste Jameis if they keep this clown around.
Grahamburn
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Beautiful throw to Evans. Can't line up. :flag:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Beautiful play to Evans. Replay probably overturns. I hate this team. At least I have the Rays and Cubs.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm just speculating, but there have been at least 4 illegal formation penalties because the right tackle is lining up too far in the backfield.
Lovie is still playing to a defense that can't stop a pee wee team.
Genius.
Lovie is still playing to a defense that can't stop a pee wee team.
Genius.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
3rd and 6. Must stop. Bucs defense finally realized the only play the Rams can run is a reverse. Too little, too late.
Capella
Footballguy
I agree. Even with Lovie burning the barn down these last 4 weeks, Jameis is a tremendous reason for excitement.
Capella
Footballguy
I hate this franchise. Couldn't even give us the decency of an 8-8 season. 6-10 with a ####ting the bed 4-game losing streak to end it.
I guess Lovie has to keep his job since they still owe him 3 more years but this coaching hire is a total disaster. He has shown nothing to think the next year is going to be any better.
I guess Lovie has to keep his job since they still owe him 3 more years but this coaching hire is a total disaster. He has shown nothing to think the next year is going to be any better.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I bag on Lovie as much as anyone, but is it his fault Mike Evans can't do the one thing all receivers should be able to do?
His drops have cost the team a shot at winning at least 4 games. Just egregious hands at the most inopportune times.
His drops have cost the team a shot at winning at least 4 games. Just egregious hands at the most inopportune times.
Capella
Footballguy
No but there are many many other things that are his fault. The penalties seem to be the most obvious to me.
Either way you just can't fire the guy or then we are the Browns/Raiders and flipping coaches every two years. And losing Koetter would be a disaster, especially for Jameis. But losing like that at home to a bad bad Bears team without their best wideout is just hideous.
lod01
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Curious as to why there is no blame issued towards your boy. That INT was gawd awful. There was only one person at fault for blowing that scoring opportunity and that was Winston. He just chucked it up for grabs. 2:00 minute mark: http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears I supposed he was trying to make a play, huh? Falling backwards 'hey someone catch this because Cappy will rave about my greatness if you do'. Who the heck told him to throw that pass? Lets dish out the blame to those that deserve it.
While I probably would try to avoid the toolish way you presented it, Winston does have to eliminate the dumb mistakes. He threw a ton of picks at FSU, but seems to be making better decisions at this level. This is a huge offseason for Winston. He needs to continue the maturation process and stay out of the news. As someone who thought he would be a JaMarcus Russell-like flop, his played showed me he does have promise. His character and decision making (both on and off the field) are his biggest hurdles. I haven't seen or heard one character related issue since the draft. That's a great sign. I don't see him being a superstar, but I think he can be a very good QB for Tampa Bay as he learns the game better.
Capella
Footballguy
He made a terrible play.
He's still also 22 picks behind your preseason guess, SuperScout.
fatness
Footballguy
He predicted 35 interceptions?He made a terrible play.
Capella
Footballguy
Yup. Said he would set an NFL record for interceptions. So funny.He predicted 35 interceptions?He made a terrible play.
fatness
Footballguy
Yup. Said he would set an NFL record for interceptions. So funny.He predicted 35 interceptions?He made a terrible play.
If you find the link I'd like to have it.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I agree on the penalties, and they're the second worst in the NFL, but I watch enough other games/teams to know it's happening to every team in every game. However, the teams getting penalized the least are mostly the teams with the best records and vice versa.
Lovie needs to stay. Koetter needs to stay. The lack continuity of the staff is definitely one of the major reasons they've done nothing for 10 years.
The quality of the teams they've lost to this season bothers me. They've played what has to be one of the easiest schedules in the NFL and they're still just 6-9. Granted, that's after 3 losses in a row following a suspension to one of their best players. I don't think the impact the loss of Kwon has had can be expressed enough. Their first few games they were obviously breaking in a rookie QB.
They're in one of the best salary cap situations in the league ($47M+) before any roster cuts. With Jameis and the offense mostly in place (they need a reliable WR and Doug should be a priority), this legitimately feels like a team that could turn things around quickly with a few positive free agent signings and a couple immediate impact players from the draft.
The top corners and pass rushers rarely hit free agency though as evidenced by the likely options this year. No way Norman gets away from Carolina, but Morris Claiborne, Prince Amukamura, and Janoris Jenkins are also all free agents. As are Eric Berry and Eric Weddle. JPP should be available, but his concerns are obvious.
Could Mario Williams be an option via trade? Tampa can afford to take his contract and because of that fact he shouldn't cost an arm and a leg in draft pick compensation. Lovie/Licht should target him if the Glazers sign off.
Sign Doug Martin.
Trade for Mario Williams.
Sign one of Claiborne, Jenkins, or Amukamura.
Sign Berry or Weddle.
Address DE and CB with the first two picks in the draft.
Stop rebuilding. Spend to the cap. Profit.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Who would you replace him with?
I can't see the Glazers paying another coach to not coach for them. Especially for 3 more years. It makes no sense unless they simply promote Koetter. But then you have to find another defensive coordinator. What scheme will that guy run? All his personnel, as diluted as they may be, are structured to run Cover 2. Maybe he doesn't need the best 3-technique in the game or smaller speed LB's? So then he has to clean house again until he gets "his guys." Rinse, repeat. By the time he gets the talent he needs Koetter is gone and the offense needs an overhaul.
Firing a coach every 2-3 years is a great way to get to and stay exactly where the Bucs have been since 2005.
The Lovie/Licht free agent signings have been bad. Have they signed anyone who has contributed? It's tough to feel too much sympathy when Lovie is harping on not having talent in the secondary when they trade a box safety that was drafted in the top 10 for a 4th round pick and let the best corner in the game leave for absolutely nothing. Most of us thought they were smart when they made that move though?
They've nailed their first two drafts. However, they've been strictly offense other than Kwon Alexander. They should get another year simply for making that selection. I think you have to give them another off-season to see what they can do for the defense.
Make a few of the moves I outlined in the post above yours. If Lovie can't get them to 9-7 or 10-6 while playing another last place schedule then he's gone. The Bucs have a pretty decent core right now and a 3 year window. They need to take advantage of it instead of starting the process all over again.
Bottom line is Lovie is terrible and is playing a defense that is porous at best. I understand the financial implications. However, if they keep Lovie for 3 more years (of mediocrity) and then have to transition to a new scheme, they could end up wasting a lot of Winston's prime years.
Lovie is never going to take this team to the playoffs. He is a bottom 5-10 coach in the league.
The issue isn't personnel. The personnel that they do have, have underachieved relative to their potential.
Lovie is never going to take this team to the playoffs. He is a bottom 5-10 coach in the league.
The issue isn't personnel. The personnel that they do have, have underachieved relative to their potential.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Bills are probably going to release Mario Williams.
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