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2024 Detroit Lions: Getting ready for the draft in Motown. (4 Viewers)

Suh and leadership should not be used in the same sentence, yet the HC used those very words.

The Lions expect DT Ndamokung Suh to report to OTAs on Tuesday.

Suh created some headlines by skipping Detroit's pre-draft minicamp, but those workouts were voluntary. Despite plenty of speculation, the Lions did not trade Suh on draft weekend. "Obviously he’s a great player and he’s also got great leadership ability as well," said coach Jim Caldwell. "So to have him back here working amongst the group is going to be a great time for everybody."
Source: Detroit Free Press
May 18 - 2:35 PM
Right, he should have called him a bum, that would have been the "smart" thing for a HC to do.
Suh will walk over Caldwell. Suh has already set the tone by being the only player on the roster not to attend the workouts last month.
Once again, what should Caldwell have said? Until they get rid of him it would be stupid to say anything to drop his value.
At the last workouts when Suh was the only player to miss Caldwell should have said something like "Suh is an important player to our team,the whole team is here, we need him to be here" Short and sweet letting Suh know how important he is to the team and also letting him know you are not pleased that he was the only player not to attend. I would have left out the leadership part.

Suh should have showed and just said his hammy was a little tight.
My opinion on the whole subject has always been is that if they want every player to show up at voluntary workouts they should make them involuntary workouts.
The CBA makes it hard to get these guys to practice and take part in anything more than they need to as it is.

If you are paid millions by a franchise and something team related is going on... you show up. Defending a disappearing act is something you dont see everyday.
I just don't see any upside in a rookie HC starting off on that note.

Hate to compare Caldwell to Wayne Fontes & Bobby Ross, but we can see which way he goes in terms of dealing with star players when it comes to practice.

Just to be clear, if Suh wants out let him play out this year and hit the door. Most guys in their contract years perform well & if they do leave that's cap money that can be spent on a replacement the year after.
At this point I wish Suh would play this season and walk. They could sign 3-4 players that could contribute with the money Suh will be getting. Plus I watch every game and Suh is good but at DT he just can`t be a game changer like a pass rushing DE or LB, or a shut down CB.

 
Amazing at how a "contract" year motivates. Nick Fairley reported to camp in the best shape he has ever been in since being a Detroit Lion.

 
Suh and leadership should not be used in the same sentence, yet the HC used those very words.

The Lions expect DT Ndamokung Suh to report to OTAs on Tuesday.

Suh created some headlines by skipping Detroit's pre-draft minicamp, but those workouts were voluntary. Despite plenty of speculation, the Lions did not trade Suh on draft weekend. "Obviously he’s a great player and he’s also got great leadership ability as well," said coach Jim Caldwell. "So to have him back here working amongst the group is going to be a great time for everybody."
Source: Detroit Free Press
May 18 - 2:35 PM
Right, he should have called him a bum, that would have been the "smart" thing for a HC to do.
Suh will walk over Caldwell. Suh has already set the tone by being the only player on the roster not to attend the workouts last month.
Once again, what should Caldwell have said? Until they get rid of him it would be stupid to say anything to drop his value.
At the last workouts when Suh was the only player to miss Caldwell should have said something like "Suh is an important player to our team,the whole team is here, we need him to be here" Short and sweet letting Suh know how important he is to the team and also letting him know you are not pleased that he was the only player not to attend. I would have left out the leadership part.

Suh should have showed and just said his hammy was a little tight.
My opinion on the whole subject has always been is that if they want every player to show up at voluntary workouts they should make them involuntary workouts.
The CBA makes it hard to get these guys to practice and take part in anything more than they need to as it is.

If you are paid millions by a franchise and something team related is going on... you show up. Defending a disappearing act is something you dont see everyday.
Barry Sanders was awesome at not showing up to voluntary stuff

 
Suh and leadership should not be used in the same sentence, yet the HC used those very words.

The Lions expect DT Ndamokung Suh to report to OTAs on Tuesday.

Suh created some headlines by skipping Detroit's pre-draft minicamp, but those workouts were voluntary. Despite plenty of speculation, the Lions did not trade Suh on draft weekend. "Obviously he’s a great player and he’s also got great leadership ability as well," said coach Jim Caldwell. "So to have him back here working amongst the group is going to be a great time for everybody."
Source: Detroit Free Press
May 18 - 2:35 PM
Right, he should have called him a bum, that would have been the "smart" thing for a HC to do.
Suh will walk over Caldwell. Suh has already set the tone by being the only player on the roster not to attend the workouts last month.
Once again, what should Caldwell have said? Until they get rid of him it would be stupid to say anything to drop his value.
At the last workouts when Suh was the only player to miss Caldwell should have said something like "Suh is an important player to our team,the whole team is here, we need him to be here" Short and sweet letting Suh know how important he is to the team and also letting him know you are not pleased that he was the only player not to attend. I would have left out the leadership part.

Suh should have showed and just said his hammy was a little tight.
My opinion on the whole subject has always been is that if they want every player to show up at voluntary workouts they should make them involuntary workouts.
The CBA makes it hard to get these guys to practice and take part in anything more than they need to as it is.

If you are paid millions by a franchise and something team related is going on... you show up. Defending a disappearing act is something you dont see everyday.
Barry Sanders was awesome at not showing up to voluntary stuff
While he could sit on his butt for every practice and goof off and still be the greatest running back ever, it does not mean he should not have been there for his team.

 
Suh and leadership should not be used in the same sentence, yet the HC used those very words.

The Lions expect DT Ndamokung Suh to report to OTAs on Tuesday.

Suh created some headlines by skipping Detroit's pre-draft minicamp, but those workouts were voluntary. Despite plenty of speculation, the Lions did not trade Suh on draft weekend. "Obviously hes a great player and hes also got great leadership ability as well," said coach Jim Caldwell. "So to have him back here working amongst the group is going to be a great time for everybody."

Source: Detroit Free Press

May 18 - 2:35 PM
Right, he should have called him a bum, that would have been the "smart" thing for a HC to do.
Suh will walk over Caldwell. Suh has already set the tone by being the only player on the roster not to attend the workouts last month.
Once again, what should Caldwell have said? Until they get rid of him it would be stupid to say anything to drop his value.
At the last workouts when Suh was the only player to miss Caldwell should have said something like "Suh is an important player to our team,the whole team is here, we need him to be here" Short and sweet letting Suh know how important he is to the team and also letting him know you are not pleased that he was the only player not to attend. I would have left out the leadership part.

Suh should have showed and just said his hammy was a little tight.
My opinion on the whole subject has always been is that if they want every player to show up at voluntary workouts they should make them involuntary workouts.
The CBA makes it hard to get these guys to practice and take part in anything more than they need to as it is.

If you are paid millions by a franchise and something team related is going on... you show up. Defending a disappearing act is something you dont see everyday.
Barry Sanders was awesome at not showing up to voluntary stuff
Including the '99 regular season.

 
Mort is reporting that is it looks like the Lions and Suh will not reach a contract extension and that Suh wil play out this season and become an UFA. Suh will count 22 million against the cap this season, and if they tag him it will be 27 million against the cap next season. Without the extension the Lions are right up against the cap leaving little wiggle room to add any players in case of injury.

 
Mort is reporting that is it looks like the Lions and Suh will not reach a contract extension and that Suh wil play out this season and become an UFA. Suh will count 22 million against the cap this season, and if they tag him it will be 27 million against the cap next season. Without the extension the Lions are right up against the cap leaving little wiggle room to add any players in case of injury.
All part of his plan. He has no intention of resigning with the Lions.

Well.....Bye

 
Mort is reporting that is it looks like the Lions and Suh will not reach a contract extension and that Suh wil play out this season and become an UFA. Suh will count 22 million against the cap this season, and if they tag him it will be 27 million against the cap next season. Without the extension the Lions are right up against the cap leaving little wiggle room to add any players in case of injury.
All part of his plan. He has no intention of resigning with the Lions.

Well.....Bye
I was hoping they would trade Suh right before the draft.

 
Da Guru said:
The Captain said:
Da Guru said:
Mort is reporting that is it looks like the Lions and Suh will not reach a contract extension and that Suh wil play out this season and become an UFA. Suh will count 22 million against the cap this season, and if they tag him it will be 27 million against the cap next season. Without the extension the Lions are right up against the cap leaving little wiggle room to add any players in case of injury.
All part of his plan. He has no intention of resigning with the Lions.Well.....Bye
I was hoping they would trade Suh right before the draft.
You and me both.

I pray the Lions aren't dumb enough to franchise him next year. They could sign 3 quality players for what they'd pay him if he's franchised.

 
I guarantee the Lions use the Franchise tag on SUH

With the hopes of getting a long term deal done

If not he counts against the cap at 27 million

Suhs happy

Lions dont improve at all in free agency

this is what will happen

 
Listening to a couple of reports on Eric Ebron and as of now it seems he has the worst hands in camp, Dropping way too many passes. Hopefully that will improve but WRs and TEs are usually born with good hands.

 
Listening to a couple of reports on Eric Ebron and as of now it seems he has the worst hands in camp, Dropping way too many passes. Hopefully that will improve but WRs and TEs are usually born with good hands.
This was the overriding concern I had for him entering the draft. Not.. Good. Too. Hear.

 
Deadspin:

(I was convulsing with laughter reading the ALL CAPS FAN RANT near the end - absolutely spot on)

Why Your Team Sucks 2014: Detroit LionsSome people are fans of the Detroit Lions. But many, many more people are NOT fans of the Detroit Lions. This 2014 Deadspin NFL team preview is for those in the latter group.
Your team: Detroit Lions

Your 2013 record: 7-9, with a 1-6 finish (including a kicker destroying them single-handedly) that led to the ouster of Jim Schwartz (he took all his Kid Rock CDs with him!) and the hiring of...

Your coach: Jim Caldwell. HOLY ####, JIM CALDWELL! You really did that. My God. I remember when the Lions made this hiring, I thought to myself, "You know, right before the season starts, I'm gonna remember that the Lions hired Jim Caldwell, and I will still be shocked." And I am. I'm flabbergasted. This is the single worst coaching hire since the Chargers hired Norv Turner. Go ahead and ask Chargers fans about the Norv Turner years. They will tell you that, even with a touch of modest success, they spent that entire time, wire-to-wire, waiting for Norv to be fired. And so it is with Jim Caldwell. He didn't even fire Gunther Cunningham! There's no hope here. There's just Caldwell staring off into space, like he's trying to summon a really deep thought that he can't quite capture. He'd be an awesome coach for, like, a river.

Keep in mind that Schwartz was fired mostly because the Lions are a talented but remarkably aimless team. For Lions games, referees use special penalty flags that shoot out very small additional penalty flags, like a roman candle for any time Ndamukong Suh decides to commit 60 personal fouls while holding. This team desperately needed a strong personality, and it's not like the job was unappealing. The Lions job came prefab with Megatron and Fat Stafford and everything. And yet, THIS was the best they could do. Even Ken Whisenhunt turned them down to go coach the Titans, and the Titans have a Pinto at quarterback. We are approaching Week 1 and the reality of Jim Caldwell as the Lions coach, and I really don't think you guys are emotionally prepared for it. How can you be? It's just gonna hit you like a brick.

Your quarterback: I bet Matt Stafford is already looking forward to participating in celebrity golf pro-ams. That's the vibe he gives off. He is a man of leisure who just happens to occasionally play quarterback effectively. If he throws 15 interceptions in a crushing 45-44 defeat (the Lions obviously blow a 44-10 lead here), Stafford is probably just fine going back to his McMansion to **** around with his Brookstone putting green. Stafford is like a decade-long QB carousel encapsulated into a single player.

It's like Dave Krieg. Dave Krieg played in Seattle forever and didn't really accomplish anything, so fans hear his name and they're like, "Oh yeah! Boy, he was here for a while!" That's how Stafford will end up: The Guy That Was Here.

What's new that sucks: In case Stafford gets hurt reaching over to grab one of your French fries, the Lions signed Dan Orlovsky. I do believe I remember the last time he was here…

I don't quite know how he's still in the league. Anyway, in addition to Blind Freddy here, the Lions signed Golden Tate away from the Seahawks. Tate will bring all of Seattle's insufferability and none of its football acumen. (Also, he will bang your wife.) To support Stafford, the team also drafted tight end Eric Ebron, who dropped over 11% of passes thrown to him in college and says a "mental blockage" is preventing him from being able to secure the football in his hands. So that sounds promising. Why have one Brandon Pettigrew when you can have two?

To make matters worse, an epidemic of fatness is plaguing the Lions as a whole. Nick Fairley got busted down to second string for being overweight.

Anyway, this remains a team built exclusively for fantasy football purposes. Stafford will throw deep to Megatron a zillion times. Reggie Bush will have a few nice games before suffering some kind of nagging injury that stays with him for months and causes him to be a gametime decision at all times. And actual winning or losing will be completely beside the point. A Lions game in which Calvin Johnson scores twice is the real victory.


One last new tidbit: Owner William Clay Ford died this offseason. But don't worry, Lions fans: There are still PLENTY of Fords left to ruin the team for generations to come.

What has always sucked: There is an arms race of suffering out there between the Bills and Browns, and by now you know that the Lions also belong in that distinguished group of disabled puppy teams. There's long line of horrible coaches and QBs, and Matty Millen, and no Super Bowl appearances. But do you know what the worst part is? It's the fact that other teams HATE losing to a team like the Lions. Losing to the Lions feels like losing three games in one. Everyone who walks away from a loss to the Lions is like, "I knew we were bad, but #######." Even in their present, somewhat talented incarnation, losing to Detroit is the kind of thing that gets other coaches fired and other QBs benched. They are the eternal benchmark for how far other franchises can fall. Losing to Detroit offers a brief glimpse into BEING Detroit, and it is cold and dark and scary.

Due to the city's notorious economic decline, Detroit is currently experiencing an explosion in reverse snobbery. Every slideshow of Detroit ruin porn is accompanied by a braying Michigander (and they really do bray; I've heard the accent) screeching STOP LOOKING AT OUR RUIN PORN! And people who stay in Detroit like to pretend they are realer and more loyal than other Americans even though metro Detroit actually has a higher household incomethan Dallas, San Diego, Kansas City, Phoenix, and lots of other places. It's got filthy rich suburbs just like any other town. The city itself died because ZERO people stuck around as they were fleeing the corruption and high crime rates (and black people, because Michigan people are crazy racist) just so they could be closer to some ####ty casinos in Canada. You did this to yourself, Detroit. YOU are the disloyal ones. So don't get up on your moral high horse and yell at me when I want to look at moss growing in the Silverdome.


Also, the secondary still sucks. And Eminem is the worst.

What might not suck: Stafford can stay consistent and Caldwell's even temperament can help cool down Suh and Joique Bell really is good enough to… You know what? I can't do this. This is all crazy talk.

Hear it from Lions fans!

Tom:

Brandon:

Since the NFC Central was renamed the NFC North in 2002, the Lions have not won the division. To make matters worse, we have only finished 2nd ONCE during that time, with an abysmal 6 finishes in dead last in the division. And just to make the stats seem even more absurd, there have been FOUR seasons since 2002 in which the Lions have gone 0-8 in the division.

James:

Ndomuhkong Suh is a great player, but possibly the biggest ######## in Detroit sports history, and Kirk Gibson played here twice. Suh dicked around naming an agent, and then flatly refused to enter talks to restructure his deal, meaning this season for him is damn near a $20 mil cap hit, precluding the team from signing any meaningful free agents. This is also not bringing up his tendency to try to actually murder people with his cleats, and his crapload of penalties per season.

The Lions said NOTHING about the failure to restructure Suh's deal. Now, I understand that the team can't come out and say "This ###### cost us free agents" but at least address it in the media? Say something.

Robert:

Worst secondary in the league for 56 years running.

Chris:

William Clay Ford finally died and got replaced by… William Clay Ford.

Justin:

Back in 2008, I was living in Texas and the Lions were coming off a 7-9 season in which they actually started 6-2. Since the first game was against rookie Matt Ryan, I thought it was a stone cold lock that we would be off to a good start, as we were led by the always-feared Jon Kitna. On Matty Ice's first play from scrimmage, he threw a skinny post to Michael effing Jenkins for a 62-yard TD. That caused me to chug my first beer of the day. From there on, I chugged my drink every time something terrible happened. By the end of the first quarter, I was drunk. By the start of the 4th, I had downed three pitchers, numerous shots, and blacked out. I spent $250 on a bar tab.

Randy:

Our entire draft philosophy seems to revolve around the idea that, if we just get one more offensive weapon, we'll be Super Bowl bound.

Ben:

1. Literally the last position of need on the field was tight end, so naturally we go out and draft a tight end in the first round. Didn't even flinch when it happened.

2. Our defensive secondary consist of a scarecrow, Plank from "Ed, Edd and Eddy," a hot dog vendor and Glover Quin (that poor *******).

3. Our beer prices are some of the highest in the league, because management knows people with pay ANYTHING to drink this team off.

4. If Kris "Brickhands" Durham wasn't Matt Stafford's roommate in college, he would be bagging groceries for a living. Instead, he got the second highest amount of targets last season.

5. Ndamljhhoig Suh would stomp on an elderly women in the middle of a grocery store for no reason, and he would also wait until a cop is present to do so.

6. I had more 2013 fantasy football playoff wins than this team has in my lifetime. Also, the last time we were in the playoffs, the other team never punted. The defensive coordinator was signed to an extension within the next 48 hours, because Lions.

7. The only things Nick Fairley didn't eat this offseason is himself.

8. I actually think this team believes turnovers inside the ten yard line still earn points. Hell, they do it at least 10 times a season.

ZODIAC MOTHER####ER:

Imagine a version of the film Groundhog Day, devoid of joy, on repeat, without a third act resolution. That's what every Sunday is like for a Lions fan.

Will:

I ALREADY COVERED THE CURSED HISTORY OF THE DETROIT LIONS LAST TIME AROUND BUT HOLY #### 2013 WAS A MELTDOWN OF FUKU####INGSHIMA PROPORTIONS. JESUS CHRIST THE LIONS GAVE THE DIVISION AWAY LIKE A ####### ENTERTAINMENT CENTER ON CRAIGSLIST. AND YOUR NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS? A TEAM WITH NOT SIXTEEN NOT FIFTEEN NOT FOURTEEN NOT THIRTEEN NOT TWELVE NOT ELEVEN NOT TEN NOT ####### NINE BUT EIGHT ####### WINS. THINK ON THAT ####. THE LIONS HAD A MOTHER####ING ROSE PETAL PATH TO THE DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP LAID OUT WITH THE ####### STARS ALIGNED AND SMILING DOWN: EARLY DIVISION WINS. WEAK##### SCHEDULE. RODGERS SIDELINED WITH A FRACTURED CLAVICLE. SMOKIN' JAY CUTLER OUT WITH A STRETCHED VAG. EVEN THE VIKINGS WERE STILL ROLLING WITH THAT ####### POX PONDER. AND HOW DID THE DETROIT LIONS RESPOND TO SUCH A STROKE OF GOOD FORTUNE? SAME AS ALWAYS: BY ####### THE DOG. HARD

OH BUT HERES THE FIX: LETS HIRE SIDELINE CORPSE JIM CALDWELL! I MEAN #### DUDE USED TO GET HIS LUNCH EATEN BY A BUNCH OF ####### BASKETBALL SCHOOLS BUT HEY I BET THE GUY WHO GOT OWNED BY THE ####### EAST CAROLINA PIRATES IS SURE TO TAKE US TO THE TOP! WHAT A ####### LOSER. EVEN DRUNK DRIVINGASS COCAINE SNITCH TIM ALLEN BAGS ON THIS ####### GUY. AND IF THAT WERENT DEPRESSING ENOUGH HEY LOOK WHOS BACK IT'S DAN ORLOVSKY. DAN "WHOOPS I JUST RAN OUT THE BACK OF THE ENDZONE LIKE A ####### #######" ####### ORLOVSKY. JESUS CHRIST THE BUCS MUSTVE BURIED THAT MOTHER####ER IN THE PET SEMATARY. ####### CALDWELL DRAGGING THIS ####### BACK INTO DETROIT LIKE HALF A ROLL OF TOILET PAPER STUCK TO HIS SHOE. "NOPE DONT NEED A NUMBER THREE HERE! ORLOVSKYS GOT IT COVERED." THAT AINT JUST A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. THATS A DINNER READY TO BE ####### SERVED

AT LEAST WE FINALLY TOOK DAVID AKERS OUT BACK AND SHOT HIM. ####### GUY KICKED LIKE A ####### SABOTEUR. KERRY VON ERICH COULDVE MADE SOME OF THE FIELD GOALS THAT MOTHER####ER BRICKED

SUHS GOT NINE TOES OUT THE DOOR AND IM STILL SITTING HERE WEARING HIS JERSEY LIKE A ####### IDIOT

AND I SWEAR TO GOD IF THAT CALIFORNIA ####### JOE FAURIA STARTS DANCING DURING A GAME THEYRE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO LOSING AGAIN IM GONNA MAKE PERSONALLY ####### SURE THAT IT WAS A SMART DECISION TO DRAFT A THIRD TIGHT END*

*WORD IS THE LIONS SIGNED LIKE NINE MORE TIGHT ENDS SINCE I STARTED TYPING THAT SENTENCE. THE ####### SQUAD IS 33 1/3% TIGHT ENDS AND MEANWHILE THE SECONDARY LOOKS LIKE THE ####### 26TH TURN IN A GAME OF JENGA

####S AND GRINS THOUGHT ID ASK MY OLD MAN FOR SOME FUEL FOR THIS FIRE. HE STARTED QUOTING NIETZSCHE. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THAT MOTHER####ER KNEW HOW TO READ. ####### LIONS

Jeff:

Terry Bradshaw commented on how the Lions "Have made the right choice" and were getting "A great football man" when they hired Matt Millen.

Derek:

Since 1958, literally every team has more playoff wins than the Lions.

Tracey:

#### Matt Millen in the ### with Henry Clay Ford's rotten skeleton.

Sam:

Honolulu Blue is hands down the worst blue. And I love the color blue.

When I was in law school, in the midst of the 0-16 season, a friend came up to me and very seriously (well as serious as you can be after 4-6 beers) proclaimed he'd stopped watching the Lions and that it was the greatest relief of his life. He was aglow, I've never seen a grown man with such a wide smile on his face. He went on to say, "I didn't know it was possible to feel good on Sundays in the fall."

Robert:

Most teams manage to find competent starters, and in some cases Pro Bowlers, in the 2nd round of the draft. The Detroit Lions, however, manage to select every bust imaginable in this cursed round, without fail. Since 2001, when we drafted Shaun Rogers and Dominic Raiola (who is somehow still starting on this team, despite leg-whipping every DT in sight, and resembling that guy in your bowling league who takes it wayyyy too seriously), these have been our 2nd round draft picks:

2002: Kalimba Edwards

2003: Boss Bailey

2004: Teddy Lehman (and we traded back into the 1st round for Kevin Jones...stellar)

2005: Shaun Cody

2006: Daniel Bullocks

2007: Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Gerald Alexander (only the Lions could screw up THREE 2nd picks in the same year)

2008: Jordan Dizon

2009: Louis Delmas

2010: None (traded back into 1st round for Jahvid Best, even though he almost died on the field at Cal)

2011: Titus Young, Mikel Leshoure (my favorite...we basically traded the rest of our draft to move up for Leshoure. And we all know about the Titus Young fiasco)

2012: Ryan Broyles, and his non-existent ACLs

2013: Darius Slay

2014 Kyle Van Noy

I mean, I understand being inept, but even the ####tiest GMs around the league luck into a decent 2nd round pick here and there. Nope, not the Lions. Not Matt Millen, not Martin Mayhew, and not any other schmuck parading around in our front office. We are cursed. I'm gonna go play in traffic.

Dan:

Our "best" CB Chris Houston was signed to an extension though he was hurt. We knew he was hurt and still signed him.

Tim:

Because Brett (I have a 3-inch penis) Farve's home record against us is 19-0. Yes, that's right, in his entire long-### career he beat us at home every single ####### time. #### Brett Farve and #### the Lions.

For the past decade we had a group of about 12 guys that got season tickets together. Then it was 10. Then 8. Now we are down to 6. Last season after missing the playoffs after the 6-2 start we almost cancelled completely. 2 guys opted to renew because it was an excuse to get out of the house on and avoid housework/wives on Sunday mornings. Another guy opted to renew because he enjoys the Bdubs pre-game all you can eat wing buffet and the refillable popcorn buckets at the stadium. The rest of us are just morons.

We never stay till the end anymore. Not to beat traffic, but to beat heartache. We leave at any point in the 2H if the Lions are leading so we leave on a "high" note. We've seen the same game over and over. Lions score a TD take the lead then collapse during the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. Usually involves a Stafford pick.

Instead of stockpiling WR's, we are now stockpiling TE's.

The only thing the Ford's did right was make the new stadium a dome. Expecting people to pay money to see this dumpster fire team in an outdoor stadium in Michigan weather would be a worse decision that the Ford/Firestone alliance.

Toast:

#### Joey Harrington, #### Matt Millen, and #### Jim Schwartz with a red flag tied to a marshmallow-roasting fork. And #### Matt Millen a couple more times just to be sure.

Sawyer:

Our fans are so desperate for anything to cheer for that they'll give Barry Sanders a standing O anytime he comes to a Lions game, despite that piece of #### retiring THE DAY BEFORE TRAINING CAMP OPENED.

Tim:

This Lions team is basically what would happen if China ever made an NFL team. It was founded in a big manufacturing city that quickly turned into a war zone like ghost town. At the surface, we're flashy as hell: Megatron, Stafford, Suh, etc. We have everything that would make a casual spectator blindly trust us to succeed. But halfway through the season Stafford goes brain dead, the secondary's knees explode, and everything malfunctions into one heaping mess.

Andrew:

My only child was born 4 days before the last Lions playoff victory. I am now a grandfather.

Johnny:

As fans, our decades of prayers and dreams of meaningful change to get a winning team were finally answered when the owner died (lifelong battle of richman rot), only to be vanquished by the owner's son stating, "We will maintain course".

My prayers have changed to having an asteroid hit and wipe out Ford Field.

Frank:

Byron Maxwell, Kam Chancellor, and Richard Sherman were all drafted with picks that the Lionstraded to the Seahawks. Who did the Lions get with those trades? Lawrence Jackson, Rob Sims (who's good, to be fair), and Mikel Leshoure.

Stu:

I recently moved to Upstate New York and when I first let slip to someone that I was a Lions fan, his reaction was to laugh and say, "Ha wow, no offense but your life must suck during football season!" This man was wearing a hat and jacket both emblazoned with the Bills logo.

Rob:

I live in West Michigan, and that's far enough from Detroit (geographically and spiritually) that most of the people here pull for Green Bay, or MSU. Sometimes when they find out you're a Lions fan they gloat, but usually they just look at you with a sort of sad pity. Being a Lions fan is sort of like being in a relationship with an alcoholic: they keep telling you they want to get better, they keep showing flashes of promise that make you remember why you fell for them in the first place. But nothing ever gets better. They keep destroying themselves but you just can't look away.

This year we got rid of Shaun Hill, a perfectly fine #2 QB who played well for us, and replaced him by bringing back ####### Dan Orlovsky. Shaun Hill will probably end up throwing for ten thousand yards and winning every game.

Andrew:

I'm from Michigan originally and have been a Lions fan for all of my thirty-eight years. I live in Los Angeles now but still wear a Lions hat every day. A homeless man saw me on the street and said, "Aw, man, Lions fan? I feel sorry for you, bro."

Chris:

I wear a Mike McMahon jersey to most home games I attend, usually it's met by comments of, "Man I wish we still had Mike McMahon."

Joe:

I once stated the following: "Joey Harrington's got Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Marcus Pollard, and Kevin Jones! Who are other teams going to cover?!"

My enthusiasm was entirely legitimate.

Gary:

In 1948 they hired Indiana University's head coach to be coach and GM. They thenwore IU's red and white uniforms. After some 2-11 suckage, they went back to blue and silver at home, but kept the red/white for road games.

Mihir:

Late last year, a Detroit newspaper posted an online slideshow (of course) showing the names, photos, and accomplishments of prominent Detroit-area sports figures who died in 2013. Amongst the "sports figures" who passed away were two panhandlers who begged for money outside Detroit sporting venues.

Nate:

Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler managed to miss like half the season, yet we still missed the playoffs and finished in third last year. The division was gift wrapped and this team, which has one playoff win in 56 years, still managed to screw it up. After deciding that Jim Schwartz's headset-spiking victory celebrations were a thing of the past, the team then hired a coach whose record is 38-83 when Peyton Manning isn't his starting quarterback.

Matt:

Last year, my brother and I went to a Lions game in Detroit. We've been Lion fans living in Chicago since we moved here as kids back in 1987. We make a yearly pilgrimage to watch them (lose) every year. We went to the Bucs game, thinking they would win, which of course they didn't. But it was how they lost, yet again. The best part of the trip was this guy sitting in front of us. Truly Lionized, doesn't give a #### anymore because he knows no matter what, the Lions will bungle it. The whole game—during big plays, touchdowns, defensive stops, desperate jumbotron pleas to be loud, this guy is quietly seated. Doesn't move. We get to the end of the game, Lions driving with under a minute and Stafford launches the pass to Calvin Johnson. Ball hits him in the numbers, then his knees, and it gets picked—ballgame. But it was the guy that made the moment. In real time:

Stafford throws the ball to wide open Megatron - crowd roars with anticipation, he shifts for the first time in his seat.

Megatron catches it for .000000001 second - guy rises to cheer, thinking my God this might happen

Ball hits Megatron's knee - he starts to sit down, knowing what's coming

Ball gets picked -he's already seated, slight head shake that screams "Same Old Lions."

Kyle:

Do you know Matt ####### Stafford is on pace to retire as the highest paid NFL player of all time? ### #### it.

Kevin:

Stafford will sidearm-throw his way into 350 yards and 6 interceptions a game, and our cornerbacks will give the Cowboys pass defense a shot at finishing 31st. The Lions are a ####### turd wrapped in gold leaf.

Greg:

I am now 30 years old. The prime of my life is gone. I work, I'm married, I'm thinking about having kids. During the 1/3 (if I'm lucky) of my life that has passed so far, the Detroit Lions have won exactly one playoff game. I was too young at the time to remember that game. Worse, that was their only playoff win in 57 years. The Lions have now wasted the primes of two generational talents (one of the top five running backs ever and top five wide receivers ever by anyone's calculation). The most boring, bland, uninspiring, underwhelming coach in recent memory is their head coach.

What do I have to believe that the next third of my life is going to be any different?

Kyle:

Wayne Fontes and Erik Kramer are still their only Coach/QB combo to win a playoff game in my father's lifetime.

Alex:

I hate hate other Lions fans. I live about 1,800 miles away and nothing disgusts me more than seeing another Lions fan at a bar on Sundays. I hope they choke on a chicken wing and put us all out of their misery. We sell out a stadium built to resemble a Ford plant where our forefathers were used as chattel until their backs were broken by the same ####### family that asks us to pay for a product they've never shown any ####### desire to improve. We willingly #### up our Thanksgivings—giving up one of the few days off we get a year to spend with family—watching our team drown the fun out of a great sport like some bat#### postpartum mom. We do that every. #######. year. We buy jerseys of guys like Suh who was probably a scholarship away from being the next Ted Bundy and we treat Reggie Bush like he'll give us a golden shower of greatness because he worked well in a winning college system back when everyone had Nokia brick phones. On top of all that, we willingly raise our children in this abusive, caustic ####### environment. My friend from college posts pictures of his infant son in Lions gear online. I feel within my rights to call child protective services. Late fall/early winter is already ####ed enough in Michigan without having to freeze, get laid off AND watch the silver n' blue limp in to the finish for another 5 wins. #### this team and anybody who would support it, myself included.

Christian:

The Lions are using practice jerseys made of recycled garbage this year. Like our secondary, they're repurposed castoffs that we hope will hold together long enough to make it through an entire game.

I swore I was done after Matt Stafford outsucked Eli in Week 16 last season to eliminate the Lions from playoff contention. Everything was in place for the Lions to win their first division title since before I was born (I'm 20) and host a home playoff game. Cutler and Rodgers were out for extended periods of time and the Lions were 6-3 with a division lead. But alas, Matt "I don't need a quarterbacks coach" Stafford threw 12 interceptions in the final seven games, leading to Jim Schwartz shot out of a cannon to Buffalo.
And how do they look to improve the team in the offseason? Management brings in a head coach who appears to have taken his last breath during the Bush administration and ignored a secondary that let Andy Dalton throw for 372 yards and three TDs.
Jerry:

Here is a fun fact that many people don't know. In 2011, the Lions made a trade during the 2011 draft with the Seattle Seahawks in order for us to move up and get Mikel Leshoure. We agreed to swap the 154th pick for the 157th.
The Seahawks used the 154th pick on Richard Sherman.
 
Deadspin:

(I was convulsing with laughter reading the ALL CAPS FAN RANT near the end - absolutely spot on)

Why Your Team Sucks 2014: Detroit LionsSome people are fans of the Detroit Lions. But many, many more people are NOT fans of the Detroit Lions. This 2014 Deadspin NFL team preview is for those in the latter group.
Your team: Detroit Lions

Your 2013 record: 7-9, with a 1-6 finish (including a kicker destroying them single-handedly) that led to the ouster of Jim Schwartz (he took all his Kid Rock CDs with him!) and the hiring of...

Your coach: Jim Caldwell. HOLY ####, JIM CALDWELL! You really did that. My God. I remember when the Lions made this hiring, I thought to myself, "You know, right before the season starts, I'm gonna remember that the Lions hired Jim Caldwell, and I will still be shocked." And I am. I'm flabbergasted. This is the single worst coaching hire since the Chargers hired Norv Turner. Go ahead and ask Chargers fans about the Norv Turner years. They will tell you that, even with a touch of modest success, they spent that entire time, wire-to-wire, waiting for Norv to be fired. And so it is with Jim Caldwell. He didn't even fire Gunther Cunningham! There's no hope here. There's just Caldwell staring off into space, like he's trying to summon a really deep thought that he can't quite capture. He'd be an awesome coach for, like, a river.

Keep in mind that Schwartz was fired mostly because the Lions are a talented but remarkably aimless team. For Lions games, referees use special penalty flags that shoot out very small additional penalty flags, like a roman candle for any time Ndamukong Suh decides to commit 60 personal fouls while holding. This team desperately needed a strong personality, and it's not like the job was unappealing. The Lions job came prefab with Megatron and Fat Stafford and everything. And yet, THIS was the best they could do. Even Ken Whisenhunt turned them down to go coach the Titans, and the Titans have a Pinto at quarterback. We are approaching Week 1 and the reality of Jim Caldwell as the Lions coach, and I really don't think you guys are emotionally prepared for it. How can you be? It's just gonna hit you like a brick.

Your quarterback: I bet Matt Stafford is already looking forward to participating in celebrity golf pro-ams. That's the vibe he gives off. He is a man of leisure who just happens to occasionally play quarterback effectively. If he throws 15 interceptions in a crushing 45-44 defeat (the Lions obviously blow a 44-10 lead here), Stafford is probably just fine going back to his McMansion to **** around with his Brookstone putting green. Stafford is like a decade-long QB carousel encapsulated into a single player.

It's like Dave Krieg. Dave Krieg played in Seattle forever and didn't really accomplish anything, so fans hear his name and they're like, "Oh yeah! Boy, he was here for a while!" That's how Stafford will end up: The Guy That Was Here.

What's new that sucks: In case Stafford gets hurt reaching over to grab one of your French fries, the Lions signed Dan Orlovsky. I do believe I remember the last time he was here…

I don't quite know how he's still in the league. Anyway, in addition to Blind Freddy here, the Lions signed Golden Tate away from the Seahawks. Tate will bring all of Seattle's insufferability and none of its football acumen. (Also, he will bang your wife.) To support Stafford, the team also drafted tight end Eric Ebron, who dropped over 11% of passes thrown to him in college and says a "mental blockage" is preventing him from being able to secure the football in his hands. So that sounds promising. Why have one Brandon Pettigrew when you can have two?

To make matters worse, an epidemic of fatness is plaguing the Lions as a whole. Nick Fairley got busted down to second string for being overweight.

Anyway, this remains a team built exclusively for fantasy football purposes. Stafford will throw deep to Megatron a zillion times. Reggie Bush will have a few nice games before suffering some kind of nagging injury that stays with him for months and causes him to be a gametime decision at all times. And actual winning or losing will be completely beside the point. A Lions game in which Calvin Johnson scores twice is the real victory.


One last new tidbit: Owner William Clay Ford died this offseason. But don't worry, Lions fans: There are still PLENTY of Fords left to ruin the team for generations to come.

What has always sucked: There is an arms race of suffering out there between the Bills and Browns, and by now you know that the Lions also belong in that distinguished group of disabled puppy teams. There's long line of horrible coaches and QBs, and Matty Millen, and no Super Bowl appearances. But do you know what the worst part is? It's the fact that other teams HATE losing to a team like the Lions. Losing to the Lions feels like losing three games in one. Everyone who walks away from a loss to the Lions is like, "I knew we were bad, but #######." Even in their present, somewhat talented incarnation, losing to Detroit is the kind of thing that gets other coaches fired and other QBs benched. They are the eternal benchmark for how far other franchises can fall. Losing to Detroit offers a brief glimpse into BEING Detroit, and it is cold and dark and scary.

Due to the city's notorious economic decline, Detroit is currently experiencing an explosion in reverse snobbery. Every slideshow of Detroit ruin porn is accompanied by a braying Michigander (and they really do bray; I've heard the accent) screeching STOP LOOKING AT OUR RUIN PORN! And people who stay in Detroit like to pretend they are realer and more loyal than other Americans even though metro Detroit actually has a higher household incomethan Dallas, San Diego, Kansas City, Phoenix, and lots of other places. It's got filthy rich suburbs just like any other town. The city itself died because ZERO people stuck around as they were fleeing the corruption and high crime rates (and black people, because Michigan people are crazy racist) just so they could be closer to some ####ty casinos in Canada. You did this to yourself, Detroit. YOU are the disloyal ones. So don't get up on your moral high horse and yell at me when I want to look at moss growing in the Silverdome.


Also, the secondary still sucks. And Eminem is the worst.

What might not suck: Stafford can stay consistent and Caldwell's even temperament can help cool down Suh and Joique Bell really is good enough to… You know what? I can't do this. This is all crazy talk.

Hear it from Lions fans!

Tom:

Brandon:

Since the NFC Central was renamed the NFC North in 2002, the Lions have not won the division. To make matters worse, we have only finished 2nd ONCE during that time, with an abysmal 6 finishes in dead last in the division. And just to make the stats seem even more absurd, there have been FOUR seasons since 2002 in which the Lions have gone 0-8 in the division.

James:

Ndomuhkong Suh is a great player, but possibly the biggest ######## in Detroit sports history, and Kirk Gibson played here twice. Suh dicked around naming an agent, and then flatly refused to enter talks to restructure his deal, meaning this season for him is damn near a $20 mil cap hit, precluding the team from signing any meaningful free agents. This is also not bringing up his tendency to try to actually murder people with his cleats, and his crapload of penalties per season.

The Lions said NOTHING about the failure to restructure Suh's deal. Now, I understand that the team can't come out and say "This ###### cost us free agents" but at least address it in the media? Say something.

Robert:

Worst secondary in the league for 56 years running.

Chris:

William Clay Ford finally died and got replaced by… William Clay Ford.

Justin:

Back in 2008, I was living in Texas and the Lions were coming off a 7-9 season in which they actually started 6-2. Since the first game was against rookie Matt Ryan, I thought it was a stone cold lock that we would be off to a good start, as we were led by the always-feared Jon Kitna. On Matty Ice's first play from scrimmage, he threw a skinny post to Michael effing Jenkins for a 62-yard TD. That caused me to chug my first beer of the day. From there on, I chugged my drink every time something terrible happened. By the end of the first quarter, I was drunk. By the start of the 4th, I had downed three pitchers, numerous shots, and blacked out. I spent $250 on a bar tab.

Randy:

Our entire draft philosophy seems to revolve around the idea that, if we just get one more offensive weapon, we'll be Super Bowl bound.

Ben:

1. Literally the last position of need on the field was tight end, so naturally we go out and draft a tight end in the first round. Didn't even flinch when it happened.

2. Our defensive secondary consist of a scarecrow, Plank from "Ed, Edd and Eddy," a hot dog vendor and Glover Quin (that poor *******).

3. Our beer prices are some of the highest in the league, because management knows people with pay ANYTHING to drink this team off.

4. If Kris "Brickhands" Durham wasn't Matt Stafford's roommate in college, he would be bagging groceries for a living. Instead, he got the second highest amount of targets last season.

5. Ndamljhhoig Suh would stomp on an elderly women in the middle of a grocery store for no reason, and he would also wait until a cop is present to do so.

6. I had more 2013 fantasy football playoff wins than this team has in my lifetime. Also, the last time we were in the playoffs, the other team never punted. The defensive coordinator was signed to an extension within the next 48 hours, because Lions.

7. The only things Nick Fairley didn't eat this offseason is himself.

8. I actually think this team believes turnovers inside the ten yard line still earn points. Hell, they do it at least 10 times a season.

ZODIAC MOTHER####ER:

Imagine a version of the film Groundhog Day, devoid of joy, on repeat, without a third act resolution. That's what every Sunday is like for a Lions fan.

Will:

I ALREADY COVERED THE CURSED HISTORY OF THE DETROIT LIONS LAST TIME AROUND BUT HOLY #### 2013 WAS A MELTDOWN OF FUKU####INGSHIMA PROPORTIONS. JESUS CHRIST THE LIONS GAVE THE DIVISION AWAY LIKE A ####### ENTERTAINMENT CENTER ON CRAIGSLIST. AND YOUR NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS? A TEAM WITH NOT SIXTEEN NOT FIFTEEN NOT FOURTEEN NOT THIRTEEN NOT TWELVE NOT ELEVEN NOT TEN NOT ####### NINE BUT EIGHT ####### WINS. THINK ON THAT ####. THE LIONS HAD A MOTHER####ING ROSE PETAL PATH TO THE DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP LAID OUT WITH THE ####### STARS ALIGNED AND SMILING DOWN: EARLY DIVISION WINS. WEAK##### SCHEDULE. RODGERS SIDELINED WITH A FRACTURED CLAVICLE. SMOKIN' JAY CUTLER OUT WITH A STRETCHED VAG. EVEN THE VIKINGS WERE STILL ROLLING WITH THAT ####### POX PONDER. AND HOW DID THE DETROIT LIONS RESPOND TO SUCH A STROKE OF GOOD FORTUNE? SAME AS ALWAYS: BY ####### THE DOG. HARD

OH BUT HERES THE FIX: LETS HIRE SIDELINE CORPSE JIM CALDWELL! I MEAN #### DUDE USED TO GET HIS LUNCH EATEN BY A BUNCH OF ####### BASKETBALL SCHOOLS BUT HEY I BET THE GUY WHO GOT OWNED BY THE ####### EAST CAROLINA PIRATES IS SURE TO TAKE US TO THE TOP! WHAT A ####### LOSER. EVEN DRUNK DRIVINGASS COCAINE SNITCH TIM ALLEN BAGS ON THIS ####### GUY. AND IF THAT WERENT DEPRESSING ENOUGH HEY LOOK WHOS BACK IT'S DAN ORLOVSKY. DAN "WHOOPS I JUST RAN OUT THE BACK OF THE ENDZONE LIKE A ####### #######" ####### ORLOVSKY. JESUS CHRIST THE BUCS MUSTVE BURIED THAT MOTHER####ER IN THE PET SEMATARY. ####### CALDWELL DRAGGING THIS ####### BACK INTO DETROIT LIKE HALF A ROLL OF TOILET PAPER STUCK TO HIS SHOE. "NOPE DONT NEED A NUMBER THREE HERE! ORLOVSKYS GOT IT COVERED." THAT AINT JUST A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. THATS A DINNER READY TO BE ####### SERVED

AT LEAST WE FINALLY TOOK DAVID AKERS OUT BACK AND SHOT HIM. ####### GUY KICKED LIKE A ####### SABOTEUR. KERRY VON ERICH COULDVE MADE SOME OF THE FIELD GOALS THAT MOTHER####ER BRICKED

SUHS GOT NINE TOES OUT THE DOOR AND IM STILL SITTING HERE WEARING HIS JERSEY LIKE A ####### IDIOT

AND I SWEAR TO GOD IF THAT CALIFORNIA ####### JOE FAURIA STARTS DANCING DURING A GAME THEYRE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO LOSING AGAIN IM GONNA MAKE PERSONALLY ####### SURE THAT IT WAS A SMART DECISION TO DRAFT A THIRD TIGHT END*

*WORD IS THE LIONS SIGNED LIKE NINE MORE TIGHT ENDS SINCE I STARTED TYPING THAT SENTENCE. THE ####### SQUAD IS 33 1/3% TIGHT ENDS AND MEANWHILE THE SECONDARY LOOKS LIKE THE ####### 26TH TURN IN A GAME OF JENGA

####S AND GRINS THOUGHT ID ASK MY OLD MAN FOR SOME FUEL FOR THIS FIRE. HE STARTED QUOTING NIETZSCHE. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THAT MOTHER####ER KNEW HOW TO READ. ####### LIONS

Jeff:

Terry Bradshaw commented on how the Lions "Have made the right choice" and were getting "A great football man" when they hired Matt Millen.

Derek:

Since 1958, literally every team has more playoff wins than the Lions.

Tracey:

#### Matt Millen in the ### with Henry Clay Ford's rotten skeleton.

Sam:

Honolulu Blue is hands down the worst blue. And I love the color blue.

When I was in law school, in the midst of the 0-16 season, a friend came up to me and very seriously (well as serious as you can be after 4-6 beers) proclaimed he'd stopped watching the Lions and that it was the greatest relief of his life. He was aglow, I've never seen a grown man with such a wide smile on his face. He went on to say, "I didn't know it was possible to feel good on Sundays in the fall."

Robert:

Most teams manage to find competent starters, and in some cases Pro Bowlers, in the 2nd round of the draft. The Detroit Lions, however, manage to select every bust imaginable in this cursed round, without fail. Since 2001, when we drafted Shaun Rogers and Dominic Raiola (who is somehow still starting on this team, despite leg-whipping every DT in sight, and resembling that guy in your bowling league who takes it wayyyy too seriously), these have been our 2nd round draft picks:

2002: Kalimba Edwards

2003: Boss Bailey

2004: Teddy Lehman (and we traded back into the 1st round for Kevin Jones...stellar)

2005: Shaun Cody

2006: Daniel Bullocks

2007: Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Gerald Alexander (only the Lions could screw up THREE 2nd picks in the same year)

2008: Jordan Dizon

2009: Louis Delmas

2010: None (traded back into 1st round for Jahvid Best, even though he almost died on the field at Cal)

2011: Titus Young, Mikel Leshoure (my favorite...we basically traded the rest of our draft to move up for Leshoure. And we all know about the Titus Young fiasco)

2012: Ryan Broyles, and his non-existent ACLs

2013: Darius Slay

2014 Kyle Van Noy

I mean, I understand being inept, but even the ####tiest GMs around the league luck into a decent 2nd round pick here and there. Nope, not the Lions. Not Matt Millen, not Martin Mayhew, and not any other schmuck parading around in our front office. We are cursed. I'm gonna go play in traffic.

Dan:

Our "best" CB Chris Houston was signed to an extension though he was hurt. We knew he was hurt and still signed him.

Tim:

Because Brett (I have a 3-inch penis) Farve's home record against us is 19-0. Yes, that's right, in his entire long-### career he beat us at home every single ####### time. #### Brett Farve and #### the Lions.

For the past decade we had a group of about 12 guys that got season tickets together. Then it was 10. Then 8. Now we are down to 6. Last season after missing the playoffs after the 6-2 start we almost cancelled completely. 2 guys opted to renew because it was an excuse to get out of the house on and avoid housework/wives on Sunday mornings. Another guy opted to renew because he enjoys the Bdubs pre-game all you can eat wing buffet and the refillable popcorn buckets at the stadium. The rest of us are just morons.

We never stay till the end anymore. Not to beat traffic, but to beat heartache. We leave at any point in the 2H if the Lions are leading so we leave on a "high" note. We've seen the same game over and over. Lions score a TD take the lead then collapse during the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. Usually involves a Stafford pick.

Instead of stockpiling WR's, we are now stockpiling TE's.

The only thing the Ford's did right was make the new stadium a dome. Expecting people to pay money to see this dumpster fire team in an outdoor stadium in Michigan weather would be a worse decision that the Ford/Firestone alliance.

Toast:

#### Joey Harrington, #### Matt Millen, and #### Jim Schwartz with a red flag tied to a marshmallow-roasting fork. And #### Matt Millen a couple more times just to be sure.

Sawyer:

Our fans are so desperate for anything to cheer for that they'll give Barry Sanders a standing O anytime he comes to a Lions game, despite that piece of #### retiring THE DAY BEFORE TRAINING CAMP OPENED.

Tim:

This Lions team is basically what would happen if China ever made an NFL team. It was founded in a big manufacturing city that quickly turned into a war zone like ghost town. At the surface, we're flashy as hell: Megatron, Stafford, Suh, etc. We have everything that would make a casual spectator blindly trust us to succeed. But halfway through the season Stafford goes brain dead, the secondary's knees explode, and everything malfunctions into one heaping mess.

Andrew:

My only child was born 4 days before the last Lions playoff victory. I am now a grandfather.

Johnny:

As fans, our decades of prayers and dreams of meaningful change to get a winning team were finally answered when the owner died (lifelong battle of richman rot), only to be vanquished by the owner's son stating, "We will maintain course".

My prayers have changed to having an asteroid hit and wipe out Ford Field.

Frank:

Byron Maxwell, Kam Chancellor, and Richard Sherman were all drafted with picks that the Lionstraded to the Seahawks. Who did the Lions get with those trades? Lawrence Jackson, Rob Sims (who's good, to be fair), and Mikel Leshoure.

Stu:

I recently moved to Upstate New York and when I first let slip to someone that I was a Lions fan, his reaction was to laugh and say, "Ha wow, no offense but your life must suck during football season!" This man was wearing a hat and jacket both emblazoned with the Bills logo.

Rob:

I live in West Michigan, and that's far enough from Detroit (geographically and spiritually) that most of the people here pull for Green Bay, or MSU. Sometimes when they find out you're a Lions fan they gloat, but usually they just look at you with a sort of sad pity. Being a Lions fan is sort of like being in a relationship with an alcoholic: they keep telling you they want to get better, they keep showing flashes of promise that make you remember why you fell for them in the first place. But nothing ever gets better. They keep destroying themselves but you just can't look away.

This year we got rid of Shaun Hill, a perfectly fine #2 QB who played well for us, and replaced him by bringing back ####### Dan Orlovsky. Shaun Hill will probably end up throwing for ten thousand yards and winning every game.

Andrew:

I'm from Michigan originally and have been a Lions fan for all of my thirty-eight years. I live in Los Angeles now but still wear a Lions hat every day. A homeless man saw me on the street and said, "Aw, man, Lions fan? I feel sorry for you, bro."

Chris:

I wear a Mike McMahon jersey to most home games I attend, usually it's met by comments of, "Man I wish we still had Mike McMahon."

Joe:

I once stated the following: "Joey Harrington's got Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Marcus Pollard, and Kevin Jones! Who are other teams going to cover?!"

My enthusiasm was entirely legitimate.

Gary:

In 1948 they hired Indiana University's head coach to be coach and GM. They thenwore IU's red and white uniforms. After some 2-11 suckage, they went back to blue and silver at home, but kept the red/white for road games.

Mihir:

Late last year, a Detroit newspaper posted an online slideshow (of course) showing the names, photos, and accomplishments of prominent Detroit-area sports figures who died in 2013. Amongst the "sports figures" who passed away were two panhandlers who begged for money outside Detroit sporting venues.

Nate:

Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler managed to miss like half the season, yet we still missed the playoffs and finished in third last year. The division was gift wrapped and this team, which has one playoff win in 56 years, still managed to screw it up. After deciding that Jim Schwartz's headset-spiking victory celebrations were a thing of the past, the team then hired a coach whose record is 38-83 when Peyton Manning isn't his starting quarterback.

Matt:

Last year, my brother and I went to a Lions game in Detroit. We've been Lion fans living in Chicago since we moved here as kids back in 1987. We make a yearly pilgrimage to watch them (lose) every year. We went to the Bucs game, thinking they would win, which of course they didn't. But it was how they lost, yet again. The best part of the trip was this guy sitting in front of us. Truly Lionized, doesn't give a #### anymore because he knows no matter what, the Lions will bungle it. The whole game—during big plays, touchdowns, defensive stops, desperate jumbotron pleas to be loud, this guy is quietly seated. Doesn't move. We get to the end of the game, Lions driving with under a minute and Stafford launches the pass to Calvin Johnson. Ball hits him in the numbers, then his knees, and it gets picked—ballgame. But it was the guy that made the moment. In real time:

Stafford throws the ball to wide open Megatron - crowd roars with anticipation, he shifts for the first time in his seat.

Megatron catches it for .000000001 second - guy rises to cheer, thinking my God this might happen

Ball hits Megatron's knee - he starts to sit down, knowing what's coming

Ball gets picked -he's already seated, slight head shake that screams "Same Old Lions."

Kyle:

Do you know Matt ####### Stafford is on pace to retire as the highest paid NFL player of all time? ### #### it.

Kevin:

Stafford will sidearm-throw his way into 350 yards and 6 interceptions a game, and our cornerbacks will give the Cowboys pass defense a shot at finishing 31st. The Lions are a ####### turd wrapped in gold leaf.

Greg:

I am now 30 years old. The prime of my life is gone. I work, I'm married, I'm thinking about having kids. During the 1/3 (if I'm lucky) of my life that has passed so far, the Detroit Lions have won exactly one playoff game. I was too young at the time to remember that game. Worse, that was their only playoff win in 57 years. The Lions have now wasted the primes of two generational talents (one of the top five running backs ever and top five wide receivers ever by anyone's calculation). The most boring, bland, uninspiring, underwhelming coach in recent memory is their head coach.

What do I have to believe that the next third of my life is going to be any different?

Kyle:

Wayne Fontes and Erik Kramer are still their only Coach/QB combo to win a playoff game in my father's lifetime.

Alex:

I hate hate other Lions fans. I live about 1,800 miles away and nothing disgusts me more than seeing another Lions fan at a bar on Sundays. I hope they choke on a chicken wing and put us all out of their misery. We sell out a stadium built to resemble a Ford plant where our forefathers were used as chattel until their backs were broken by the same ####### family that asks us to pay for a product they've never shown any ####### desire to improve. We willingly #### up our Thanksgivings—giving up one of the few days off we get a year to spend with family—watching our team drown the fun out of a great sport like some bat#### postpartum mom. We do that every. #######. year. We buy jerseys of guys like Suh who was probably a scholarship away from being the next Ted Bundy and we treat Reggie Bush like he'll give us a golden shower of greatness because he worked well in a winning college system back when everyone had Nokia brick phones. On top of all that, we willingly raise our children in this abusive, caustic ####### environment. My friend from college posts pictures of his infant son in Lions gear online. I feel within my rights to call child protective services. Late fall/early winter is already ####ed enough in Michigan without having to freeze, get laid off AND watch the silver n' blue limp in to the finish for another 5 wins. #### this team and anybody who would support it, myself included.

Christian:

The Lions are using practice jerseys made of recycled garbage this year. Like our secondary, they're repurposed castoffs that we hope will hold together long enough to make it through an entire game.

Jerry:

I swore I was done after Matt Stafford outsucked Eli in Week 16 last season to eliminate the Lions from playoff contention. Everything was in place for the Lions to win their first division title since before I was born (I'm 20) and host a home playoff game. Cutler and Rodgers were out for extended periods of time and the Lions were 6-3 with a division lead. But alas, Matt "I don't need a quarterbacks coach" Stafford threw 12 interceptions in the final seven games, leading to Jim Schwartz shot out of a cannon to Buffalo.

And how do they look to improve the team in the offseason? Management brings in a head coach who appears to have taken his last breath during the Bush administration and ignored a secondary that let Andy Dalton throw for 372 yards and three TDs.

Here is a fun fact that many people don't know. In 2011, the Lions made a trade during the 2011 draft with the Seattle Seahawks in order for us to move up and get Mikel Leshoure. We agreed to swap the 154th pick for the 157th.

The Seahawks used the 154th pick on Richard Sherman.
Well this should at least work as a reverse jinx if nothing else. :thumbup:

 
I don't think we've ever had to post a page 2 save for the Tigers thread in the baseball forum.

I found the 2014 Lions thread on page 18 this morning.

 
I don't think we've ever had to post a page 2 save for the Tigers thread in the baseball forum.

I found the 2014 Lions thread on page 18 this morning.
84 > 57

2013 > 1993
They'll still draw >510K this year, as always. In the 12 years history of Ford Field, the Lions have been blacked out 7 times: 5 in the 0-16 season, once each in the following two seasons. JFC they just sold out the preseason game vs. the Jags.

Love the quote upthread: "Suh has nine toes out the door and I'm sitting here wearing a 90 jersey like a ####### idiot."

 
I don't think we've ever had to post a page 2 save for the Tigers thread in the baseball forum.

I found the 2014 Lions thread on page 18 this morning.
84 > 57

2013 > 1993
They'll still draw >510K this year, as always. In the 12 years history of Ford Field, the Lions have been blacked out 7 times: 5 in the 0-16 season, once each in the following two seasons. JFC they just sold out the preseason game vs. the Jags.

Love the quote upthread: "Suh has nine toes out the door and I'm sitting here wearing a 90 jersey like a ####### idiot."
One could make a case that "good fans" help make a bad team.

See also: Cubs, Chicago.

 
Just an observation from the Lions/Giants game - this offense is looking an awful lot liek the old Saints offenses of 2006-08 with Reggie as lead back. Better get a run game going somehow real fast or else the Lions will be dealing with being unable to close out games, even ones they seemingly have in hand.

 
Just an observation from the Lions/Giants game - this offense is looking an awful lot liek the old Saints offenses of 2006-08 with Reggie as lead back. Better get a run game going somehow real fast or else the Lions will be dealing with being unable to close out games, even ones they seemingly have in hand.
:yes:

It's Week 1 and I'm already in "just wait until next year mode".

Their DBs will struggle all year simply due to lack of talent. Though Bell/Bush/Riddick should be efficient and decent PPR RBs for FF purposes, neither one has the ability to grind out the clock while nursing a lead.

The Lions led or were tied in 15 games last year. They lost 8 of those games.

 
It's our secondary that will kill us again. Everything else looked really nice last night.

Stafford looked leaner and quicker to me. His footwork and movement in the pocket looked as good as I've ever seen it as well ?

Tate came into it more as the game progressed and should be very useful opposite Calvin

 
Stafford looks more poised, moves around the pocket better, commands the team better, and makes better decisions. Vast improvement over previous years. Looks like he really bought into the new system.

Defense looked good for the most part, but a part of that was so many mistakes and miscommunications by the Giants offense. Secondary still has issues. Run defense though was very good.

Tate is a huge improvement as a compliment to Calvin. The group of TE's will create many mismatches for defenses.

Play calling seemed much better. Previous years seemed like it was all Calving one quarter, then no Calvin the next. This game had a nice mixture of play calling.

New kicker worries me. Missed a relatively close 43 yarder badly, which should be a fairly high percentage kick.

The team still makes far too many stupid penalties. This and the secondary are the obvious flaws of this team.

Caldwell seems to have a pretty good group of coaches. Caldwell will make more than his share of stupid game management decisions, but still an improvement over Swartz.

 
Stafford looks more poised, moves around the pocket better, commands the team better, and makes better decisions. Vast improvement over previous years. Looks like he really bought into the new system.

Defense looked good for the most part, but a part of that was so many mistakes and miscommunications by the Giants offense. Secondary still has issues. Run defense though was very good.

Tate is a huge improvement as a compliment to Calvin. The group of TE's will create many mismatches for defenses.

Play calling seemed much better. Previous years seemed like it was all Calving one quarter, then no Calvin the next. This game had a nice mixture of play calling.

New kicker worries me. Missed a relatively close 43 yarder badly, which should be a fairly high percentage kick.

The team still makes far too many stupid penalties. This and the secondary are the obvious flaws of this team.

Caldwell seems to have a pretty good group of coaches. Caldwell will make more than his share of stupid game management decisions, but still an improvement over Swartz.
Can't argue with any of this.

Penalties did get better in the 2nd half though, something was driven into them at halftime.

 
Detroit Lions linebacker DeAndre Levy has been named the NFC Defensive Player of the Week after his outstanding performance in the team's 35-14 win over the New York Giants.

Levy tallied 10 stops, including two tackles for a loss, and added an acrobatic interception early in the second half, which set the Lions up to take a double-digit lead.

He is the first Lions player to win the honor since Cliff Avril in Week 8 of the 2011 season. He's the first Detroit linebacker to be named Player of the Week since Stephen Boyd in 1997.

Levy is coming off a career-best season. He finished the 2013 campaign with 115 tackles and six interceptions.
Nice to see, should have made the Pro Bowl last year.

Detroit re-signed guard/tackle Garrett Reynolds on Wednesday morning, and he could start at right tackle Sunday against the Carolina Panthers if LaAdrian Waddle's calf injury continues to linger. Corey Hilliard is out for the season with a foot injury. Bill Bentley (CB) is out for the year with a torn ACL and has been put on injured reserve. That leaves the Lions with 4 CBs (two less than they normally carry). James Ihedigbo (shoulder) and Don Carey (hamstring) both missed the Giants game.

Probably sign a DB off the street in the next few hours. Champ Bailey? They worked him out on September 4th.

ETA: Pretty sure 4th round rookie Lawson is the next man up for Nickel Back with Bentley out.

 
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Lions CB Nevin Lawson dislocated his ankle in Sunday's Week 2 loss at Carolina.

Lawson needed immediate surgery, which means the fourth-round rookie is likely done for the year. The Lions' already weak secondary is now even thinner after also losing Bill Bentley (torn ACL) in Week 1.

 
The Lions are now playing their fifth nickel of the season, Danny Gorrer. Bill Bentley, Nevin Lawson, Cassius Vaughn and now Carey are all injured.

Levey with 10 tackles, 2 PD, safety. Front four did a monster job today.

With their schedule they should get to 5-3/6-2. Not sure they'll win 10 though.

 
The Detroit Lions employed a unique solution to the team's right tackle situation against Carolina last week, rotating veteran guard Garrett Reynolds and undrafted rookie Cornelius Lucas. The team stuck with that rotation against the Packers, but it was Lucas who received the bulk of the work.

Lucas played 40 snaps in the win over Green Bay, more than double his workload his professional debut. Reynolds was on the field 35 snaps.

Here are some additional notes from the playing-time report:

-- For the first time this season, Reggie Bush played more than Joique Bell, edging his teammate in snaps, 37-36. Bush was significantly more productive against the Packers, gaining 99 yards from scrimmage, including a 26-yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter which sealed the win. Bell finished with just 33 yards on 15 carries.

-- Rookie tight end Eric Ebron's playing time remained consistent as he saw the field for just 23 snaps. For the second time in three games, he was held without a catch.

-- In the nickelback roulette, recent addition Danny Gorrer played the most, taking the field for 40 of the team's 53 defensive snaps. Don Carey played just two snaps on defense before re-injuring his hamstring and rookie Mohammed Seisay came on late to get 10 snaps of work.

-- Wide receiver Corey Fuller nearly doubled his offensive work from the first two weeks. In those games he played 27 snaps, before playing 25 against the Packers.
Name Position Offense % Defense % Special Teams %Rob Sims G 75 100% 4 20%

Riley Reiff T 75 100% 4 20%

Larry Warford G 75 100% 4 20%

Dominic Raiola C 75 100%

Matthew Stafford QB 75 100%

Golden Tate WR 57 76% 1 5%

Calvin Johnson WR 57 76%

Jeremy Ross WR 49 65% 10 50%

Brandon Pettigrew TE 49 65% 4 20%

Cornelius Lucas T 40 53% 4 20%

Reggie Bush RB 37 49%

Joique Bell RB 36 48% 1 5%

Garrett Reynolds G 35 47% 4 20%

Corey Fuller WR 25 33% 10 50%

Joseph Fauria TE 25 33% 4 20%

Eric Ebron TE 23 31% 5 25%

Jed Collins FB 13 17% 15 75%

Theo Riddick RB 4 5% 14 70%

Isa Abdul-Quddus SS 53 100% 1 5%

Rashean Mathis CB 53 100% 1 5%

DeAndre Levy LB 53 100% 1 5%

Glover Quin FS 53 100% 1 5%

Darius Slay CB 53 100% 1 5%

Tahir Whitehead LB 42 79% 15 75%

Ndamukong Suh DT 42 79% 1 5%

Danny Gorrer DB 40 75% 10 50%

Nick Fairley DT 33 62%

Ezekiel Ansah DE 31 58%

C.J. Mosley DT 29 55% 1 5%

George Johnson DE 26 49% 3 15%

Jason Jones DE 24 45% 1 5%

Devin Taylor DE 15 28% 5 25%

Darryl Tapp DE 11 21% 7 35%

Stephen Tulloch LB 11 21%

Mohammed Seisay CB 10 19% 11 55%

Don Carey FS 2 4% 5 25%

Caraun Reid DT 2 4%

Ashlee Palmer LB 1 2% 16 80%

Julian Stanford LB 16 80%

Jerome Couplin SS 13 65%

Sam Martin P 10 50%

Travis Swanson C 7 35%

Don Muhlbach LS 6 30%

Nae Freese K 4 20%
You may recall the Lions gave Lucas a $20K bonus *(out of an $80K allotment for UDFA). That's more than Fauria ($12.5K) and Waddle ($10K) received last year.

Mayhew has been terrible at drafting, but I feel like Brian Xanders (Senior Personnel Executive) deserves credit for the excellent job they have done unearthing guys right after the draft. He's in charge of college scouting and developing the scouting system both at the pro and collegiate level. Complete mystery why he hasn't been elevated to GM.

ETA: neat board

 
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Oh dear. How Lions !

Great performance defensively yesterday. Levy continues to be awesome and is fast becoming one of my favourite players.

Off day by Green Bay through the air though, our secondary continues to give me cause for panic and will be our undoing on quite a few weeks. And that was before the injuries.

Nice to see Reggie showing some flash and mojo for the first time this season.

Poor Freese. We rated him high enough to draft and then this happens.

We are still lacking some nous and ingenuity in the red zone though. With the amount of weapons we have at our disposal we should be able to get someone dangerous open with a well thought out play a lot more often than we have been. I'd hoped this would change with the new coaching staff. Early days though and I'm confident we will continue to improve

 
This post seems a bit too rational and displays am optimism not commonly found in true die hard long time Lions fans.

Are you

1) very young,

2) a recent immigrant from another land,

3) trolling because it was a slow day at reddit?

TIA

 
I'm 32 from Glasgow Scotland, have followed the Lions since I was 8 years old and have been to Detroit on holiday before to see Tigers and Lions games. I even have an old English D tattoo. And yes I may be slightly insane.

Had a great time in your city on a sports watching bar drinking holiday with my bro and met many amazingly friendly and warm people along the way.

 
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Freese needs to go

Great job by the defense today overcoming a poor game by Stafford
They are bringing in Alex Henery today. Freese got the axe.
Good luck with that. Henery is better than Freese, but is no good on long FGs and kickoffs.
Lions have punter Sam Martin taking care of kickoffs (most not returned), so that would leave long FGs as the weak spot. Just give me a guy that can make a 40 yarder right now.

 
I'm 32 from Glasgow Scotland, have followed the Lions since I was 8 years old and have been to Detroit on holiday before to see Tigers and Lions games. I even have an old English D tattoo. And yes I may be slightly insane.

Had a great time in your city on a sports watching bar drinking holiday with my bro and met many amazingly friendly and warm people along the way.
Welcome to The Lions Den. Please forgive us older fans for being so cynical, we have been thru a lot with this team over the years.

 
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Freese needs to go

Great job by the defense today overcoming a poor game by Stafford
They are bringing in Alex Henery today. Freese got the axe.
Good luck with that. Henery is better than Freese, but is no good on long FGs and kickoffs.
Lions have punter Sam Martin taking care of kickoffs (most not returned), so that would leave long FGs as the weak spot. Just give me a guy that can make a 40 yarder right now.
I really wanted them to sign Rob Bironis last week when he was in Allen Park working out. I am pretty sure he was going to be there man this week. Sad how things worked out. Lions sign him and he is still alive.

 
Freese needs to go

Great job by the defense today overcoming a poor game by Stafford
They are bringing in Alex Henery today. Freese got the axe.
Good luck with that. Henery is better than Freese, but is no good on long FGs and kickoffs.
Lions have punter Sam Martin taking care of kickoffs (most not returned), so that would leave long FGs as the weak spot. Just give me a guy that can make a 40 yarder right now.
I really wanted them to sign Rob Bironis last week when he was in Allen Park working out. I am pretty sure he was going to be there man this week. Sad how things worked out. Lions sign him and he is still alive.
He passed his physical with the doctor and almost certainly would have been signed today.
 

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