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They are to blame, they also had some bad luck in regards to timing. Staff, CJ, and Suh were all top 3 picks with no rookie cap, and never got to have any solid cheap years from those players.

Agree but there has been some bad drafting by Mayhew as well. When Suh leaves the Lions will have nobody left from the 10 or 11 draft classes. Those players should be the core of the team right now. Because Broyles, LeShoure, Best, Young, and looks like Ebron have not panned out the Lions were forced to pay for Reggie Bush and Golden Tate furthering the cap problem.

Both great posts! If these guys were the best available on Mayhew's draft board then he is no better than Millen. Drafting CJ, Suh and Stafford were no brainers.

Ugh. I often hate being a Lions fan.

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I know I was in the minority before last season in saying we should trade Suh and get some nice picks. Yeah, I could see it causing a bit of a rift in the locker room and our defense would have suffered. Could have

even costed us a chance at the playoffs, but we'll never know. As the season progressed and we were doing very well and nearing the playoffs, I knew we couldn't trade him. But now I'm wishing we had. Could have

gotten a King's Ransom. Now we won't get a thing.

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I know I was in the minority before last season in saying we should trade Suh and get some nice picks. Yeah, I could see it causing a bit of a rift in the locker room and our defense would have suffered. Could have

even costed us a chance at the playoffs, but we'll never know. As the season progressed and we were doing very well and nearing the playoffs, I knew we couldn't trade him. But now I'm wishing we had. Could have

gotten a King's Ransom. Now we won't get a thing.

how do you figure some team was giving you a king's ransom to rent a guy for 1 year at 13m?

al davis is no longer with us

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I know I was in the minority before last season in saying we should trade Suh and get some nice picks. Yeah, I could see it causing a bit of a rift in the locker room and our defense would have suffered. Could have

even costed us a chance at the playoffs, but we'll never know. As the season progressed and we were doing very well and nearing the playoffs, I knew we couldn't trade him. But now I'm wishing we had. Could have

gotten a King's Ransom. Now we won't get a thing.

Suh was either getting franchised or going to FA

no one would of traded for him last year without working his deal

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The Detroit Lions agreed to a three-year deal with place-kicker Matt Prater on Friday, meaning the team will have a stabilized kicking situation for the first time since Jason Hanson retired after the 2012 season.

The Lions learned the hard way what life is like with an inconsistent kicker, so re-signing Matt Prater was a critical move , Michael Rothstein writes.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the NFL Network reported that it was for $9 million.

Three years $9 million seems like way too much to spend on a kicker.

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I know I was in the minority before last season in saying we should trade Suh and get some nice picks. Yeah, I could see it causing a bit of a rift in the locker room and our defense would have suffered. Could have

even costed us a chance at the playoffs, but we'll never know. As the season progressed and we were doing very well and nearing the playoffs, I knew we couldn't trade him. But now I'm wishing we had. Could have

gotten a King's Ransom. Now we won't get a thing.

Suh was either getting franchised or going to FA

no one would of traded for him last year without working his deal

I agree, they would have had to work out a deal. Personally I don't think tagging him was ever an option -- waaaay too much for just one season.

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Drew Sharp isn't a reader, he's a hack sportswriter who's wrong more often than he's right.

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For such a great sports town - and the D truly is a great sports town - it's amazing how many lousy sportswriters they have had the last 30 years. And before anyone says "well it's Detroit" you might want to remember Oakland county (north of the city and where the Lions played for 30+ years) is one of the most affluent areas in the country. Hell, Tirico lives in A2 year round.

Didn't use to be that way: Jerry Green, Joe Falls and Tom Gage were all phenomenal. Now you have, what, Lynn Henning and the little guy (if you've seen Albom in person you know what I mean). Mike O'Hara was decent at one time but now he's just the Ford's shrill.

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Anyway, sorry to Suh go. He gave us 5 good (and a couple really great) seasons.

I never begrudge athletes getting all they can when they can. But this wasn't about money IMO; Detroit was within $2M in guaranteed money over a six-year contract. This was more about a guy needing/wanting a change in scenery. Or maybe he was just sick of the ineptitude of the franchise. Suh is an intelligent guy, there's no upside to coming out now and saying what the real reasons were. But the bottom line is if he really wanted to stay a Lion he would have found a way to work it out. The fact that he is walking over basically $333K per year in guaranteed salary is all I need to know. Whatever his reasons - he's entitled to them, it's not hard to imagine why Barry got fed up after ten years - it doesn't really matter.

It's like when a smoking hot chick walks out of your life. Yeah, you're bummed, but get over it quick because life is moving on, with or without you.

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Drew Sharp isn't a reader, he's a hack sportswriter who's wrong more often than he's right.

:goodposting:

For such a great sports town - and the D truly is a great sports town - it's amazing how many lousy sportswriters they have had the last 30 years. And before anyone says "well it's Detroit" you might want to remember Oakland county (north of the city and where the Lions played for 30+ years) is one of the most affluent areas in the country. Hell, Tirico lives in A2 year round.

Didn't use to be that way: Jerry Green, Joe Falls and Tom Gage were all phenomenal. Now you have, what, Lynn Henning and the little guy (if you've seen Albom in person you know what I mean). Mike O'Hara was decent at one time but now he's just the Ford's shrill.

I grew up with those guys. We truly were blessed with first rate sports writers. Albom used to be great, but now he's too busy being a renaissance man to have any sports impact. More power to him, I guess, but I really loved his sports writing in the early 90s.

Still gotta love Wojo though. Great writer and fun to listen to on the radio.

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So the Lions just traded for a 31-year-old with a $16 million cap figure. I guess we should wait for the details but it's hard to imagine this being a good move.

I think when it all shakes out (financially and with pick considerations), they could have kept Suh for the same or less than this deal. SOL...

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So the Lions just traded for a 31-year-old with a $16 million cap figure. I guess we should wait for the details but it's hard to imagine this being a good move.

He is an $8 million hit to the Lions, he was a $16 million hit to Baltimore. Baltimore saved $8 million off their cap figure. Seems like the Lions got a great player for a position of need.

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Hard to see a better way to replace the Suh loss. Is a move to 3-4 a done deal now?

Ngata's played in 3-4, 4-3, and hybrids. He's done well in all of them, so I doubt he'd be the reason the Lions would change.

As a Ravens fan, sorry to see him go but it's probably best all around. Ngata still gets to play under his (bigger than what he would've gotten if he'd been cut) contract, Detroit gets a still pretty good player when healthy (plus, he's a good dude), Baltimore gets $8m in relief and a couple of picks in an area they've traditionally done well in.

But the best thing to come out of this trade is that Haloti will be on far fewer CBS games, meaning we'll have a tiny fraction of Jim Nance's pretentious pronunciation of his name. And Simms trying to mimic Nance (& failing) is even worse.

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Hard to see a better way to replace the Suh loss. Is a move to 3-4 a done deal now?

It will be a good fit for one season. A little worried how he will play while not on PEDs though. This whole fiasco makes the Eric Ebron pick look worse than it was. Mayhew knew that the Lions were in danger of losing both Suh and Fairley and yet still drafted another TE in the first rd with Aaron Donald sitting there.

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Hard to see a better way to replace the Suh loss. Is a move to 3-4 a done deal now?

It will be a good fit for one season. A little worried how he will play while not on PEDs though. This whole fiasco makes the Eric Ebron pick look worse than it was. Mayhew knew that the Lions were in danger of losing both Suh and Fairley and yet still drafted another TE in the first rd with Aaron Donald sitting there.

I love how people heap all PED usage as something horrific. Josh Gordon was suspended for freakin Codein. Ngata was for Adderal. He'll be just fine without his "PEDs". As for Ebron, we'll just have to see. I'm not giving up after his rookie season that wasn't THAT bad. Lots of rookies struggle.

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31 year old roid head, would of been cut

You realize hardly any drug suspensions are for "roids", right?

usually a 4 game suspension is a PED based infraction

ngata's suspension was for adderall, not steroids.

Yeah im sure thats what they all say

thanks for clearing things up for me. much appreciated.

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So the Lions just traded for a 31-year-old with a $16 million cap figure. I guess we should wait for the details but it's hard to imagine this being a good move.

He is an $8 million hit to the Lions, he was a $16 million hit to Baltimore. Baltimore saved $8 million off their cap figure. Seems like the Lions got a great player for a position of need.

Yeah, didn't realize half that cap figure was from a signing bonus. At $8 million for this year and only costing some late-round picks (which the Lions never get anything out of anyway), it doesn't seem too bad.

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31 year old roid head, would of been cut

You realize hardly any drug suspensions are for "roids", right?

usually a 4 game suspension is a PED based infraction

ngata's suspension was for adderall, not steroids.

Yeah im sure thats what they all say

The NFL bends over backwards to make it easy as #### to avoid getting busted for PED's. They have to. A league full of 300 lb monsters benching 600 lbs and 250 lb LB's running 4.5's has virtually 100% PED use among the positions where it would provide a meaningful advantage. The PED policy is an IQ test, not a method of rule enforcement.

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Anyway, sorry to Suh go. He gave us 5 good (and a couple really great) seasons.

I never begrudge athletes getting all they can when they can. But this wasn't about money IMO; Detroit was within $2M in guaranteed money over a six-year contract. This was more about a guy needing/wanting a change in scenery. Or maybe he was just sick of the ineptitude of the franchise. Suh is an intelligent guy, there's no upside to coming out now and saying what the real reasons were. But the bottom line is if he really wanted to stay a Lion he would have found a way to work it out. The fact that he is walking over basically $333K per year in guaranteed salary is all I need to know. Whatever his reasons - he's entitled to them, it's not hard to imagine why Barry got fed up after ten years - it doesn't really matter.

It's like when a smoking hot chick walks out of your life. Yeah, you're bummed, but get over it quick because life is moving on, with or without you.

With Michigan state taxes and Florida's no state tax it was closer to 5 million in guarantees.

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Anyway, sorry to Suh go. He gave us 5 good (and a couple really great) seasons.

I never begrudge athletes getting all they can when they can. But this wasn't about money IMO; Detroit was within $2M in guaranteed money over a six-year contract. This was more about a guy needing/wanting a change in scenery. Or maybe he was just sick of the ineptitude of the franchise. Suh is an intelligent guy, there's no upside to coming out now and saying what the real reasons were. But the bottom line is if he really wanted to stay a Lion he would have found a way to work it out. The fact that he is walking over basically $333K per year in guaranteed salary is all I need to know. Whatever his reasons - he's entitled to them, it's not hard to imagine why Barry got fed up after ten years - it doesn't really matter.

It's like when a smoking hot chick walks out of your life. Yeah, you're bummed, but get over it quick because life is moving on, with or without you.

With Michigan state taxes and Florida's no state tax it was closer to 5 million in guarantees.

4,25% x $58M = $2.465M

Less $976K less in Fed Income Tax

Net tax difference $1.489M over 6 years - about $250K /yr

:shrug:

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Anyway, sorry to Suh go. He gave us 5 good (and a couple really great) seasons.

I never begrudge athletes getting all they can when they can. But this wasn't about money IMO; Detroit was within $2M in guaranteed money over a six-year contract. This was more about a guy needing/wanting a change in scenery. Or maybe he was just sick of the ineptitude of the franchise. Suh is an intelligent guy, there's no upside to coming out now and saying what the real reasons were. But the bottom line is if he really wanted to stay a Lion he would have found a way to work it out. The fact that he is walking over basically $333K per year in guaranteed salary is all I need to know. Whatever his reasons - he's entitled to them, it's not hard to imagine why Barry got fed up after ten years - it doesn't really matter.

It's like when a smoking hot chick walks out of your life. Yeah, you're bummed, but get over it quick because life is moving on, with or without you.

With Michigan state taxes and Florida's no state tax it was closer to 5 million in guarantees.
4,25% x $58M = $2.465M

Less $976K less in Fed Income Tax

Net tax difference $1.489M over 6 years - about $250K /yr

:shrug:

I am not an accountant, I just remember when he signed with the Dolphins, that several media sources say the Lions need to get to about 65 million guaranteed to match the dolphins.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12444126/ndamukong-suh-sign-6-year-114-million-deal-miami-dolphins

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Pretty happy with the big corner and Jahvid Best 2.0.

eta - Ramirez isn't a bad depth add for Oline as well!

It will take time of course to tell how good these guys turn out but they seemed to at least consider need some this time around.

JB 2.0 needs to keep his tiny hands secure around the ball and he could be an open space RB/kick returner as well as maybe a 3rd/slot WR in certain formations.

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