The defense is good, not as good as those Ravens.If Stafford can be a little better than Trent Dilfer they have a chance.
Probably at least 3 of every 4 Lions fans expect a loss next week and then in the playoffs. It's not what we hope for, but it's what we expect, and it's hard to be disappointed with that when most people said Detroit wouldn't make the playoffs.mbuehner said:Lets just all calm down and see what happens next week then.jurb26 said:Somehow, if they scored 35 and lost I think you'd still be posting.mbuehner said:14 points against the Bears huh? Stafford...
This is one of the most active fan threads on this board and the Lions fans pack the stadium when they aren't going 0-16. Considering this is one of the least successful franchise in all of professional sports, their fan base is extremely loyal. I am not sure why a bit of skepticism is not expected. Any knowledgeable football fan know the odds are long for Detroit to go into GB and win. Vegas is giving Detroit 12 points as the most lopsided game of the week. GB has not been playing that well, so there is a chance. I like the chances better against Dallas in the Playoffs, where the weather will be nicer and the Lions defense may be able to force some mistakes out of Romo.Probably at least 3 of every 4 Lions fans expect a loss next week and then in the playoffs. It's not what we hope for, but it's what we expect, and it's hard to be disappointed with that when most people said Detroit wouldn't make the playoffs.mbuehner said:Lets just all calm down and see what happens next week then.jurb26 said:Somehow, if they scored 35 and lost I think you'd still be posting.mbuehner said:14 points against the Bears huh? Stafford...
Collectively, if Lions fans were any calmer, they'd be dead.
Who's giving 12? It opened at 47 O/U GB -7-1/2 and didn't move much overnight.This is one of the most active fan threads on this board and the Lions fans pack the stadium when they aren't going 0-16. Considering this is one of the least successful franchise in all of professional sports, their fan base is extremely loyal. I am not sure why a bit of skepticism is not expected. Any knowledgeable football fan know the odds are long for Detroit to go into GB and win. Vegas is giving Detroit 12 points as the most lopsided game of the week. GB has not been playing that well, so there is a chance. I like the chances better against Dallas in the Playoffs, where the weather will be nicer and the Lions defense may be able to force some mistakes out of Romo.Probably at least 3 of every 4 Lions fans expect a loss next week and then in the playoffs. It's not what we hope for, but it's what we expect, and it's hard to be disappointed with that when most people said Detroit wouldn't make the playoffs.mbuehner said:Lets just all calm down and see what happens next week then.jurb26 said:Somehow, if they scored 35 and lost I think you'd still be posting.mbuehner said:14 points against the Bears huh? Stafford...
Collectively, if Lions fans were any calmer, they'd be dead.
The Lions are locked into the #6 spot with a loss at GB. So unless both Seattle and Arizona loses, that means they will be at #3 Dallas in the first round. If both Sea and Az lose and Dallas wins, they would go to Az. And if they win, they are virtually locked into the #2 spot and can only move into the #1 if both Sea and Az lose.
Nevermind. I googled GB vs. Detroit Line and it took me to a page with this week's game of GB vs. TB. Still 8 points is a significant underdog.Who's giving 12? It opened at 47 O/U GB -7-1/2 and didn't move much overnight.This is one of the most active fan threads on this board and the Lions fans pack the stadium when they aren't going 0-16. Considering this is one of the least successful franchise in all of professional sports, their fan base is extremely loyal. I am not sure why a bit of skepticism is not expected. Any knowledgeable football fan know the odds are long for Detroit to go into GB and win. Vegas is giving Detroit 12 points as the most lopsided game of the week. GB has not been playing that well, so there is a chance. I like the chances better against Dallas in the Playoffs, where the weather will be nicer and the Lions defense may be able to force some mistakes out of Romo.Probably at least 3 of every 4 Lions fans expect a loss next week and then in the playoffs. It's not what we hope for, but it's what we expect, and it's hard to be disappointed with that when most people said Detroit wouldn't make the playoffs.mbuehner said:Lets just all calm down and see what happens next week then.jurb26 said:Somehow, if they scored 35 and lost I think you'd still be posting.mbuehner said:14 points against the Bears huh? Stafford...
Collectively, if Lions fans were any calmer, they'd be dead.
The Lions are locked into the #6 spot with a loss at GB. So unless both Seattle and Arizona loses, that means they will be at #3 Dallas in the first round. If both Sea and Az lose and Dallas wins, they would go to Az. And if they win, they are virtually locked into the #2 spot and can only move into the #1 if both Sea and Az lose.
Line: -8 GB O/U 48
re: attitude of Lions fans
It's not that hard to figure out. Pain avoidance ranks right with fight or flight as a basic human instinct.
There is no doubt this team can win in GB. This will be a signature win in the Lions can pull it off. A win that is needed to put a stamp on this season. I thin kit will take at least 24 points though to get it done. Can the Lions score 24 in the cold on the road?In Drew Sharp's column today....(waiting for the boos to subside)...it sounded as if Reggie Bush, Rob Sims and Larry Warford were unaware of the significance of 21 years and 23 years.
"Wow. Really??!"
As someone mentioned in the game thread, it's not unlike the 2004 Red Sox. One playoff victory in the Super Bowl era, haven't won a road playoff game since their last championship (1957), etc etc etc.
Sooner or later a Lions team will come along that says screw all that and just gets it done. Maybe this is that team. Green Bay is eminently beatable; Detroit has beaten them at home two years running, and Buffalo has an offense as challenged as the Lions. Invincible at Lambeau? Three losses and a tie at home last year. They've lost 5 of the last 8 playoff games at Lambeau.
Beatable, but history is on their side. Yesterday was the first outdoor & below 40 win in years, and both the franchise and the QB have a history of coming up small. Can't wait to find out if this year is different.
They won their first game in forever in the cold yesterday, so at least that streak is over. But GB "should win" as they say.There is no doubt this team can win in GB. This will be a signature win in the Lions can pull it off. A win that is needed to put a stamp on this season. I thin kit will take at least 24 points though to get it done. Can the Lions score 24 in the cold on the road?In Drew Sharp's column today....(waiting for the boos to subside)...it sounded as if Reggie Bush, Rob Sims and Larry Warford were unaware of the significance of 21 years and 23 years.
"Wow. Really??!"
As someone mentioned in the game thread, it's not unlike the 2004 Red Sox. One playoff victory in the Super Bowl era, haven't won a road playoff game since their last championship (1957), etc etc etc.
Sooner or later a Lions team will come along that says screw all that and just gets it done. Maybe this is that team. Green Bay is eminently beatable; Detroit has beaten them at home two years running, and Buffalo has an offense as challenged as the Lions. Invincible at Lambeau? Three losses and a tie at home last year. They've lost 5 of the last 8 playoff games at Lambeau.
Beatable, but history is on their side. Yesterday was the first outdoor & below 40 win in years, and both the franchise and the QB have a history of coming up small. Can't wait to find out if this year is different.
Don't worry, if they beat Green bay next week everyone will jump on board.So Caldwell comes in and leads this team to a 11-4 record and people talk crap. Killer instinct? lol Your negativity combined with the rhetoric is funny.I think it's one and done either way. They don't have the killer instinct. It's as if Herm Edwards is the head coach. They are totally relying on their defense to keep them in the game when they should be destroying team with the offensive weapons they have and the defense they have.If they keep playing not to lose, they will lose.This team has to get a home playoff game or it is 1 and done
The problem is Detroit has had about 9 of these games this year while the rest of the true contenders have had 3 or 4 at most.They won their first game in forever in the cold yesterday, so at least that streak is over. But GB "should win" as they say.Interesting that NE played almost the same game yesterday. On the road vs a divisional rival they were a big favorite over. Took them most of the game to win that one. But they won.There is no doubt this team can win in GB. This will be a signature win in the Lions can pull it off. A win that is needed to put a stamp on this season. I thin kit will take at least 24 points though to get it done. Can the Lions score 24 in the cold on the road?In Drew Sharp's column today....(waiting for the boos to subside)...it sounded as if Reggie Bush, Rob Sims and Larry Warford were unaware of the significance of 21 years and 23 years.
"Wow. Really??!"
As someone mentioned in the game thread, it's not unlike the 2004 Red Sox. One playoff victory in the Super Bowl era, haven't won a road playoff game since their last championship (1957), etc etc etc.
Sooner or later a Lions team will come along that says screw all that and just gets it done. Maybe this is that team. Green Bay is eminently beatable; Detroit has beaten them at home two years running, and Buffalo has an offense as challenged as the Lions. Invincible at Lambeau? Three losses and a tie at home last year. They've lost 5 of the last 8 playoff games at Lambeau.
Beatable, but history is on their side. Yesterday was the first outdoor & below 40 win in years, and both the franchise and the QB have a history of coming up small. Can't wait to find out if this year is different.
Oh, and guys please don't feed the mouth breathing trolls. Easiest thing in the world is to pick out one team out of 32 and say they can't win.
A lot of years Detroit had about 9 of these games. Difference is this year they are not losing them.The problem is Detroit has had about 9 of these games this year while the rest of the true contenders have had 3 or 4 at most.They won their first game in forever in the cold yesterday, so at least that streak is over. But GB "should win" as they say.Interesting that NE played almost the same game yesterday. On the road vs a divisional rival they were a big favorite over. Took them most of the game to win that one. But they won.There is no doubt this team can win in GB. This will be a signature win in the Lions can pull it off. A win that is needed to put a stamp on this season. I thin kit will take at least 24 points though to get it done. Can the Lions score 24 in the cold on the road?In Drew Sharp's column today....(waiting for the boos to subside)...it sounded as if Reggie Bush, Rob Sims and Larry Warford were unaware of the significance of 21 years and 23 years.
"Wow. Really??!"
As someone mentioned in the game thread, it's not unlike the 2004 Red Sox. One playoff victory in the Super Bowl era, haven't won a road playoff game since their last championship (1957), etc etc etc.
Sooner or later a Lions team will come along that says screw all that and just gets it done. Maybe this is that team. Green Bay is eminently beatable; Detroit has beaten them at home two years running, and Buffalo has an offense as challenged as the Lions. Invincible at Lambeau? Three losses and a tie at home last year. They've lost 5 of the last 8 playoff games at Lambeau.
Beatable, but history is on their side. Yesterday was the first outdoor & below 40 win in years, and both the franchise and the QB have a history of coming up small. Can't wait to find out if this year is different.
Oh, and guys please don't feed the mouth breathing trolls. Easiest thing in the world is to pick out one team out of 32 and say they can't win.
In years past I would have been anxious about both the Vikings and Bears, especially when they down 2 TDs early versus Minnesota, and practically handed Chicago 14 points due to poor special teams yesterday. But I was pretty calm and confident about their ability to overcome mistakes. Once they got the lead, I knew the defense would close it out.I've been a Lions fan for almost 40 years now. My dad and uncle have been fans even longer. We've long suffered. Saturday night we had a little family get-together and I put it out there: "This team doesn't care about the Lambeau history. They're going to beat GB in Week 17 at Lambeau."
My dad and uncle have seen so much more Lions suffering than I have that they almost instinctively reached into their pockets and put their money on the table. So now I have a pair of bets riding on Detroit winning in Green Bay for the first time since the invention of the wheel.
And I like my chances.
Weird team - 7-0 on the road, 4-4 at home.Dallas would be a good matchup for Detroit.
I have the same feeling. The reality is the 11-4 record is a bit of a mirage due to favorable scheduling and some bad opposing coaching decisions. They only played against 5 teams with a winning record and only 2 of those on the road (lost both). They really should have lost to the Saints and the Falcons but lucked into back to back wins. But good teams find a way to win. And if they somehow beat the Packers on Sunday, they will finish with a perfect division record. Has that ever happened before?Da Guru said:I don`t understand...I have watched the Lions my whole life and now they are 11-4 for the first time in my life. I should be so excited about this team yet for some reason I am not. I am happy they won but the Bears quit weeks ago and Jimmy started his first game in 4 years.
Nope.I have the same feeling. The reality is the 11-4 record is a bit of a mirage due to favorable scheduling and some bad opposing coaching decisions. They only played against 5 teams with a winning record and only 2 of those on the road (lost both). They really should have lost to the Saints and the Falcons but lucked into back to back wins. But good teams find a way to win. And if they somehow beat the Packers on Sunday, they will finish with a perfect division record. Has that ever happened before?Da Guru said:I don`t understand...I have watched the Lions my whole life and now they are 11-4 for the first time in my life. I should be so excited about this team yet for some reason I am not. I am happy they won but the Bears quit weeks ago and Jimmy started his first game in 4 years.
I get the opposite feeling.I have the same feeling. The reality is the 11-4 record is a bit of a mirage due to favorable scheduling and some bad opposing coaching decisions. They only played against 5 teams with a winning record and only 2 of those on the road (lost both). They really should have lost to the Saints and the Falcons but lucked into back to back wins. But good teams find a way to win. And if they somehow beat the Packers on Sunday, they will finish with a perfect division record. Has that ever happened before?Da Guru said:I don`t understand...I have watched the Lions my whole life and now they are 11-4 for the first time in my life. I should be so excited about this team yet for some reason I am not. I am happy they won but the Bears quit weeks ago and Jimmy started his first game in 4 years.
Mods, hard delete & IP ban please.Detroit's Road to the Superbowl. Win @ GB.....Win against Dallas at Home.....Win @ Seattle.....Win SB against NE.....
Tough road ahead.....Those are the top 4 power ranked teams.
Caldwell: People don't appreciate Matthew Stafford
By Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Updated 9h ago
Matthew Stafford has had an up-and-down season for the Detroit Lions.
He has cut back on his interceptions after two straight years of double-digit turnovers and is completing his highest percentage of passes since 2011, but his passing yards are down and rocky performances like the one he had in Sunday's win over the Chicago Bears have left plenty of people yearning for more.
Lions coach Jim Caldwell isn't one of them.
"I think there's a lack of appreciation for him around here, I think, at times," Caldwell said at his weekly news conference Monday. "Let me just tell you something: He's a man's man. He's a tough guy. He gets hit out there every single ballgame, he hangs in there, and there may be one he'd like to have back, but then there's a couple others, or one other that's probably not all his fault."
Stafford threw two first-half interceptions on forced passes against the Bears, and after the game he acknowledged he has to be better for the Lions to win the tough games left on their schedule.
The Lions (11-4) play the Green Bay Packers in a de facto NFC North championship game Sunday at Lambeau Field and then open the playoffs in early January.
"Obviously, from my point of view, can't have the two turnovers," Stafford said. "The first one I've got to get out of the back of the end zone. If I'm going to make the decision to put it there, I've got to throw it all the way out. The second one, it's an aggressive throw. That guy made a nice play, I'll give him credit for it."
Stafford completed just 22 of 39 passes for 243 yards Sunday, but he became the first quarterback in Lions history with four straight 4,000-yard passing seasons, and Caldwell said his worth goes beyond the box score.
"I think when you look at the numbers and all that kind of stuff, we make assessments based on that, and that's it," Caldwell said. "But he also did a lot of great things for us. I'll tell you what, he's progressing. I'm proud of the way that guy's playing, and I think also that you're going to see him get better and better."
Contact Dave Birkett: dbirkett@freepress.com. Follow him on Twitter @davebirkett.
And what if the defense is also a bit of an illusion due to having played against mostly crappy teams.I get the opposite feeling.I have the same feeling. The reality is the 11-4 record is a bit of a mirage due to favorable scheduling and some bad opposing coaching decisions. They only played against 5 teams with a winning record and only 2 of those on the road (lost both). They really should have lost to the Saints and the Falcons but lucked into back to back wins. But good teams find a way to win. And if they somehow beat the Packers on Sunday, they will finish with a perfect division record. Has that ever happened before?I don`t understand...I have watched the Lions my whole life and now they are 11-4 for the first time in my life. I should be so excited about this team yet for some reason I am not. I am happy they won but the Bears quit weeks ago and Jimmy started his first game in 4 years.
I'd rather have a team finding ways to win with defense than have the illusion of some high flying offense that you know will disappear in the playoffs.
What it's are great.. But if you have a watched this defense I don't know how you could perceive it as anything other than what it is.And what if the defense is also a bit of an illusion due to having played against mostly crappy teams.I get the opposite feeling.I have the same feeling. The reality is the 11-4 record is a bit of a mirage due to favorable scheduling and some bad opposing coaching decisions. They only played against 5 teams with a winning record and only 2 of those on the road (lost both). They really should have lost to the Saints and the Falcons but lucked into back to back wins. But good teams find a way to win. And if they somehow beat the Packers on Sunday, they will finish with a perfect division record. Has that ever happened before?I don`t understand...I have watched the Lions my whole life and now they are 11-4 for the first time in my life. I should be so excited about this team yet for some reason I am not. I am happy they won but the Bears quit weeks ago and Jimmy started his first game in 4 years.
I'd rather have a team finding ways to win with defense than have the illusion of some high flying offense that you know will disappear in the playoffs.
15 touches 90 YFS TDWhat type of work load should I expect out of Reggie Bush this week against the Packers?
8-41-0BobbyLayne said:15 touches 90 YFS TDWhat type of work load should I expect out of Reggie Bush this week against the Packers?
literally zero road wins against a winning team in Stafford's career.They can beat Dallas IMO.
This Cowboys team is 4-4 there.I think they have less than a 20 percent chance of winning next week in Dallas. I know they have won their in past seasons, but this Dallas team is different and if the Packers can put up around 150 yards rushing against the Lions. I think Murray and the Cowboys can as well.
If I am the Packers I am rooting for the Lions to win next week, I think the Cowboys are a bad matchup for the Packers and for whatever reason the Cowboys play really well on the road.
Dallas would be considered a road game?literally zero road wins against a winning team in Stafford's career.They can beat Dallas IMO.
opening line is Dallas -7Dallas would be considered a road game?literally zero road wins against a winning team in Stafford's career.They can beat Dallas IMO.
1 and done. No killer instinct. Keep it close hope to win in the 4th Q Herminator style.They can beat Dallas IMO.
And?opening line is Dallas -7Dallas would be considered a road game?literally zero road wins against a winning team in Stafford's career.They can beat Dallas IMO.
Your team is very likely to lose their game of handegg next weekend vs the team from Texas.And?opening line is Dallas -7Dallas would be considered a road game?literally zero road wins against a winning team in Stafford's career.They can beat Dallas IMO.