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The quality of the 1st makes a difference. If Jacksonville offered only their 1st this year, Detroit would accept. I think a high first round pick and another high pick would be enough. Like Miami's 1.03 and 1.18, and Tua, if they were dealing. Or Denver's 1.07 and 3.70, plus a 1st in 2022.
Agree, plus he is by all accounts about the best teammate and leader a GM could want. It makes perfect sense for a team set up to win now like Indy, Pitt, Washington or San Fran. It also makes a ton of sense for Denver. They have spent so much capital building a dream offense but are missing the most important part. Elway has tried everything at QB and the only thing that worked was going after an older established QB. I can see him trying it again.
No chance that would get done a done for Watson. He will require 3 firsts at a minimum. Jamaal Adams, a safety (which is the most inconsequential position in football) just got traded for 2 firsts. And why would Houston ever have interest in Stafford. If they end up dealing Watson they would be in full rebuild mode. Stafford does absolutely nothing for them.
Yes, this is crazy. Stafford will pull a first round pick at a minimum. I suspect it will be at least a 1st and a 3rd, maybe a first and a 2nd.
The basic suppy and demand seems to say so IMO. There are just too many teams with QB problems. Yes, the NFL is gaining Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance. It's also likely losing (at least in terms of being trustworthy starters) Cam, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben. Trubisky, Lock Ryan and Carr might be on their last legs. The Rams staff doesn't seem to have much love for Goff. Haskins and Alex Smith ain't it. Darnold might not be either. There's already rumblings the Dolphins don't think Tua is the guy. I see a lot of places desperate for QB help and minimal relief available for them.
Who knows but Dane Brugler said a 1st and a 2nd like the Carson Palmer trade. That’s the most high profile guy I’ve seen put something specific out.
I agree. He's got a nice contract for a solid QB for 2 more years. Palmer comparison a good one IMO
Half the reason we couldn’t was because we were saddled with contracts before the slotted rookie scale. Stafford, megaton, and suh were costing a ton and snowballed as we reworked contracts to lower that cap hit but kept kicking the can down the road. We finally got Calvin off the books this year. Now we’ll have 20 million a year in dead money the next two years. We seriously need to consider dropping salary for 2 years and trade picks back to get more while we reset our cap situation.
Let’s face it- Kelly stafford is ready to move on. That’s as much a driving force here as anything.
Which teams fit this description?
I posted this in the Steelers thread after they signed Haskins.
He's taken...a lot of hits. And played through injuries many (most?) wouldn't. I'm not going to prognosticate a timeline, but while they don't come any tougher than him I think it's reasonable to expect him to decline sooner than the game's current elder statesmen.
The game has changed quite a bit as well. With all the new rules about hitting QBs pocket passers can play longer and still be productive. Stafford should be able to play at least 3 years at the level he is at now and maybe 4-5 if he wants. That is the window for most teams to win the big one anyway.
Nobody is expecting Stafford to play NFL starter level football at 42. We are talking 36-38 range.
Yes I think he can have three more “prime” years for him followed by 2 years of decline before either accepting a backup role or retiring.
Huh? That’s great news. He’s very much responsible for building the Packers team that won a SB with Rodgers, the current Chiefs team and the current Browns team. I’m sure he’s here specifically to help select the next QB and his track record is quite good.
I don't know much about Holmes beyond what I read this week, but him paired with Dorsey is oil-and-water. Dorsey is a dinosaur. Holmes' analytical approach will mesh horribly with Dorsey. Similarly, even if one takes the positive spin approach to Campbell (I'm not) then him being paired with Lynn's run-run-pass philosophy is a dead end anyway.
For me, that's not it; it's the sum of the ingredients. I love chili. I love sushi. I love lasagna. I don't want them all in the same pot though.
The Lynn signing really does worry me. I am with you on that. Dorsey doesn’t so long as the ownership fully supports Holmes. If one is smart, I think they take into account way more than just analytics. There’s a place for human old school evaluations. I think Dorsey has an eye for talent- especially offensive talent. If Holmes is able to use his methods while also taking input from Dorsey to confirm or challenge his conclusions, it can strengthen the process. This is especially true at QB where the evaluation is probably the toughest in pro sports and the most important. The issue could arise if Dorsey tries to go over the top of Holmes and we get a power struggle. I do agree that could be a huge problem and the Lions have collected a lot of big personalities that could conflict.
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This almost makes me wonder if we should keep Stafford lol. After holding him while 15 HOF QBs were in their prime, we're dealing him now when he's one of the last few good QBs left in the league.
And now Rodgers seems to be hinting at retirement. Luckily we are in position to land one of the top 4 QB prospects.
Maybe. Would they have taken Herbert over Tua? I’m not sure they make that move. I am also not sold on Tua yet. He looks like he has a pretty weak arm. I’m fine taking my shot on Fields, Lance or Wilson this year.
