Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 gotta go 1-1 @GB and @Clev.Yes, GB is a touchdown or so favorite for good historical reasons but that Cleveland game is very winnable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TartanLion 591 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Nice to see this thread alive !Have to admit I went a bit crazy when Fairley scored a TD yesterday, for some reason he is my favourite player.Yep, imperative we go 1-1 to keep ticking over in the next two weeks. Even with GB struggling a little, it's hard for any Lions fan to imagine a win next week, so the Browns game will be a vital one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 Mayhew stinks.#YouCantQuitTheNFLGreco is correct..if Mayhew had not blown so many high draft picks this team would be potentially dominant. Calivin Johnson was a Millen pick, Stafford and Suh were no-brainers.Pettigrew as a first rd pick is a bust..TEs like him are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Best-Bust and was a huge injury risk coming out. LeShoure-Bust no need to add anything. Titus Young as a second rd pick was a huge bust. Projected as a 4th rd with character issies the Lions used a high #2. Right now Slay is not looking good..I will not call him a bust because he is a rookie..but Mayhew said Slay was ready to step in and play and he is far from ready. Ziggy Anseh will be a make or break pick. Love him as an athlete but will he develop as a football player? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skanker 13 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Bump. All aboard! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamramrod 15 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 WHOOOO WHOOOOODear God I am a 46 year old man. You have answered all my other prayers. Please, please, please.....Just once, can the Lions play a game in February?Peace Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamramrod 15 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Has to be some concern with the o-line. When it was first team vs first team the Browns were pushing the Lions o-line all over the place. Twice Riley Rief was pushed backwards on running plays right into the RB.O-Line looking surprisingly good.Peace Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamramrod 15 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 gotta go 1-1 @GB and @Clev.Drinking the Kool Aid brah...2-0Peace Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montana_grizzly_bears 81 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) gotta go 1-1 @GB and @Clev.Drinking the Kool Aid brah...2-0PeaceIf GB wasn't coming off their bye I would be drinking it. Right now I'm getting the sugar and the spoon just in case they do go in there and change the streak. Edited October 1, 2013 by montana_grizzly_bears Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The Great...The Lions are a totally different team with a healthy Reggie Bush on offense..the key is can he stay healthy. On defense Suh is totally dominating the interior line and playing the best football of his career. Suh is such a disruptive force pushing OL back into ball carriers and the QB and just throwing plays off.The Good...Riley Reif has been a pleasant suprise at LT..Peppers got around him to force a fumble but Peppers does that to every LT. The rebuilt OL in general has been better than most people thought. Kris Durman is stepping up in Nates absence and Stafford looks to him. Ziggy Ansah is really good but still so raw that tackles can use his speed against him by pushing him out of the play. Delmas can show he can still makes plays but can his knees hold up for a full season?? Quinn took a couple of bad angles yesterday but overall has been solidConcerns..As usual the DBs play is still troubling. Slay looks lost out there and gets beat all day when he plays. And if the rush is not dominating they still can`t cover anyone..the good safety play has helped but this is still a huge concern.Yes, the offense looks good barring injuries. Special teams look better, the punter/kickoff guy they drafted is a big upgrade and coverage seems better too. Defense still somewhat a weak link, Lions giving up 20 or more points now 12 regular season games in a row. At the quarter pole I'd give the overall team a grade that matches their record, a B.Stopped the 20+ points given up streak @ 13 games. Defense has to continue to get better if they are going to keep winning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 With the Lions cutting Tony Shefler..will Joe-Fa get more targets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyLayne 11,170 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Why the Lions offense works Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) Looks like Ryan Broyles career may be in jeopardy after rupturing his achilles tendon yesterday. 2011- Torn left ACL, 2012-Torn right ACL, 2013 Torn achillles tendon. Broyles was still not 100% from the last ACL as far as speed and burst off the line and now this horrible injury. Can a WR have 3 worse injuries? Edited October 28, 2013 by Da Guru Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 2,106 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Does that increase the likelihood the Lions will pursue a WR this week? If they make a move quickly they would have the bye week to get someone prepared to play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Looks like Ryan Broyles career may be in jeopardy after rupturing his achilled tendon yesterday. 2011- Torn left ACL, 2012-Torn right ACL, 2013 Torn achillles tendon. Broyles was still not 100% from the last ACL as far as speed and burst off the line and now this horrible injury. Can a WR have 3 worse injuries?Ouch, that's devastating. I'm not sure if he can or can't but I'm hoping he can. What does this do to the Lions already thin WR corp? Man, it's Calvin or nothing for them. If Calvin or Bush go down this offense is in serious trouble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Looks like Ryan Broyles career may be in jeopardy after rupturing his achilles tendon yesterday. 2011- Torn left ACL, 2012-Torn right ACL, 2013 Torn achillles tendon. Broyles was still not 100% from the last ACL as far as speed and burst off the line and now this horrible injury. Can a WR have 3 worse injuries?Ouch, that's devastating. I'm not sure if he can or can't but I'm hoping he can.What does this do to the Lions already thin WR corp? Man, it's Calvin or nothing for them. If Calvin or Bush go down this offense is in serious trouble.Durham has been good as of late and could pick up some more targets. Lions are going to have to bring another WR in though for depth. The bad thing is now the Lions have wasted two high draft picks on WRs... Titus Young and Broyles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Looks like Ryan Broyles career may be in jeopardy after rupturing his achilles tendon yesterday. 2011- Torn left ACL, 2012-Torn right ACL, 2013 Torn achillles tendon. Broyles was still not 100% from the last ACL as far as speed and burst off the line and now this horrible injury. Can a WR have 3 worse injuries?Ouch, that's devastating. I'm not sure if he can or can't but I'm hoping he can.What does this do to the Lions already thin WR corp? Man, it's Calvin or nothing for them. If Calvin or Bush go down this offense is in serious trouble.Durham has been good as of late and could pick up some more targets. Lions are going to have to bring another WR in though for depth. The bad thing is now the Lions have wasted two high draft picks on WRs... Titus Young and Broyles.burleson should be back after the bye week.Gotta think if the lions dont win the division they can get a wildcard. With ATL struggling and Chicago having big time injury issues the other wildcard opposite SF is theirs to take, most likely competition is Carolina/Chicago/Arizona. I dont think the NFC east will get two teams in the playoffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Looks like Ryan Broyles career may be in jeopardy after rupturing his achilles tendon yesterday. 2011- Torn left ACL, 2012-Torn right ACL, 2013 Torn achillles tendon. Broyles was still not 100% from the last ACL as far as speed and burst off the line and now this horrible injury. Can a WR have 3 worse injuries?Ouch, that's devastating. I'm not sure if he can or can't but I'm hoping he can.What does this do to the Lions already thin WR corp? Man, it's Calvin or nothing for them. If Calvin or Bush go down this offense is in serious trouble.Durham has been good as of late and could pick up some more targets. Lions are going to have to bring another WR in though for depth. The bad thing is now the Lions have wasted two high draft picks on WRs... Titus Young and Broyles.burleson should be back after the bye week.Gotta think if the lions dont win the division they can get a wildcard. With ATL struggling and Chicago having big time injury issues the other wildcard opposite SF is theirs to take, most likely competition is Carolina/Chicago/Arizona. I dont think the NFC east will get two teams in the playoffsGood points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 No excuses now, first division in 20 years is there for the taking. QB injuries have helped get them there, they just have to find a way to take advantage & keep winning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 FORWARD DOWN THE FIELD! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TartanLion 591 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Larry Warford feels left out 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Wow..I thought I had seen all possible ways for the Lions to lose a football game over the years. I saw a new one yesterday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Wow..I thought I had seen all possible ways for the Lions to lose a football game over the years. I saw a new one yesterday.Yes, the SOL seem to be only the same in that they always find a new way to lose. Turnovers as always a key. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 awful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Good comeback game, but need to take that to a higher level on the road vs an actual QB this week. Not always their strong suit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 SOL ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foosball God 3,018 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Time for Schwartz to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Time for Schwartz to goPast due. I really wish that Tom Lewand and Mayhew are shown the door as well. When Millen was fired they kept Lewand and Mayhew and the culture of the Lions remained.The Lions will back in and win the North with an 8-8 record and all with get extensions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zftcg 3,688 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Question I asked in another thread: Would you rather the Lions lose and clean house, or squeak into the playoffs? There's almost zero chance they could do much once they got there against a SF/NO/Car -- one thing we've learned about the Lions this year is that they can't win big games against the power teams -- and it seems like winning the division could salvage Schwartz's job. I just don't see them winning anything with that guy in charge. Even worse, despite the fact that I've been a Lions fan all my life, I find the Schwartz-led Lions to be distinctly unlikeable. I like most of the players, even Suh, but I can totally see how if I weren't a fan I would just hate them. Guys who blow games via dumb penalties, turnovers and mental mistakes are "lovable losers". They're just losers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lions fans get kicked in the nuts hard by this team week in and week out..we curl up in the fetal position and deal with the pain in the nuts and nausea to the stomach area delivered from the boots of the Lions. We slowly recover and then come back only get kicked in the nuts again. Why?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lions fans get kicked in the nuts hard by this team week in and week out..we curl up in the fetal position and deal with the pain in the nuts and nausea to the stomach area delivered from the boots of the Lions. We slowly recover and then come back only get kicked in the nuts again. Why??Because the area is big into football and the fans would like to take that beyond the college level. They really deserve better but the feeble owner has held them back for 50 years now & running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Question I asked in another thread: Would you rather the Lions lose and clean house, or squeak into the playoffs? There's almost zero chance they could do much once they got there against a SF/NO/Car -- one thing we've learned about the Lions this year is that they can't win big games against the power teams -- and it seems like winning the division could salvage Schwartz's job. I just don't see them winning anything with that guy in charge. Even worse, despite the fact that I've been a Lions fan all my life, I find the Schwartz-led Lions to be distinctly unlikeable. I like most of the players, even Suh, but I can totally see how if I weren't a fan I would just hate them. Guys who blow games via dumb penalties, turnovers and mental mistakes are "lovable losers". They're just losers.If GB & Chicago both win this week it will be a moot point as they play each other week 17 & the winner of that will win the division no matter what the lions do. Edited December 17, 2013 by Leroy Hoard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
playin4beer 909 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Last night was a rough loss... a 61 yard field goal?? Gotta think the Steelers can beat the Pack if Rodgers isn't back and hopefully he can come back next week and beat Da Bears... Oh, and the Lions win out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s. There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.Right, those throws to Calvin that were right on the money were the QBs problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.Right, those throws to Calvin that were right on the money were the QBs problem.Calvin had uncharactistic drop last nightHow about the 2 point pass? uncatchable high n outside fastballsYou a Stafford apologist or something? He has played like dog#### Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurb26 926 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.Right, those throws to Calvin that were right on the money were the QBs problem.Calvin had uncharactistic drop last nightHow about the 2 point pass? uncatchable high n outside fastballsYou a Stafford apologist or something? He has played like dog####The 2 point pass was perfect. Stafford made bad plays last night but putting it all on him is ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zftcg 3,688 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Maybe I'm blinkered, but I can absolutely picture Stafford winning a Super Bowl. He definitely has things he needs to improve, but he has the talent. Plus, dude is still only 25.What I can't picture is Jim Schwartz coaching in one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 5,023 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.He throws side arm... do you credit his good throws for being side armed the same way you blame his bad throws for being side armed?All 3 throws Calvin dropped were on the mark (the 2 point conversion pass could not have been better), all 3 side armed. Edited December 18, 2013 by matuski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyLayne 11,170 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.He throws side arm... do you credit his good throws for being side armed the same way you blame his bad throws for being side armed?All 3 throws Calvin dropped were on the mark (the 2 point conversion pass could not have been better), all 3 side armed.He has very bad mechanics and his footwork has not improved over five years in the league. It would make him a better QB if they found someone to coach him up on his weaknesses.He gets away with, in the same Favre did his entire career, because he has a cannon. IMO the big arm has made him lazy; not sure he'll ever really want to make any drastic changes to his approach.I do like Stafford as a leader and think he has tremendous resiliency. He's the right kind of guy to have at the most important position. He's positive, energetic and his teammates believe in him.But I would have to agree that from a consistency and efficiency standpoint, he's average or slightly above average. Usage helped him compile numbers in 2011 & 2012; they have a better run game this year - Warford and Waddle have solidified the right side - but he makes too many costly errors.It's not just him. The defense plays well in stretches, then gives up a big play or commits stupid penalties. Though it was not the case in the most recent collapse, they typically get off to bad starts or see a reversal of trends in the 2nd half. Those two things have been a hallmark of the Schwartz regime. I'm of the opinion that points to his lack of preparation and his inability to adjust in game. The team lacks discipline, and again, I think that is on the coaches, and it starts with the HC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyLayne 11,170 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Lions fans get kicked in the nuts hard by this team week in and week out..we curl up in the fetal position and deal with the pain in the nuts and nausea to the stomach area delivered from the boots of the Lions. We slowly recover and then come back only get kicked in the nuts again. Why??Because the area is big into football and the fans would like to take that beyond the college level. They really deserve better but the feeble owner has held them back for 50 years now & running.Lot of bandwagoners jumped on the Tigers the last three years - its always been a great baseball town when they're competitive - and the Red Wings have had an incredible couple decades, as good as any franchise in any sport. But I've always believed it would be known as a football town if they weren't so inept. Michiganders love football at every level. F'n WCF doesn't understand excellence, Way too much emphasis on loyalty and giving coaches/GMs that 4th/5th/6th chance.Do you guys realize that bastard actually sign the docs to purchase the Lions on the same day JFK got shot? Cursed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 5,023 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 this collapse has pretty much been on Stafford. 3 ints last night, 4 vs tampa, 17 on the season He isn't elite. and he curls up and dies in the clutch nowTerrible51 drops on the year by the Lions. I don't think any other team is in the 40s.There are a lot of problems in Det, not just Stafford.when your QB makes mistakes, is constantly throwing side arm and over shooting guys. Hes pretty much the #1 problem.He throws side arm... do you credit his good throws for being side armed the same way you blame his bad throws for being side armed?All 3 throws Calvin dropped were on the mark (the 2 point conversion pass could not have been better), all 3 side armed.He has very bad mechanics and his footwork has not improved over five years in the league. It would make him a better QB if they found someone to coach him up on his weaknesses.He gets away with, in the same Favre did his entire career, because he has a cannon. IMO the big arm has made him lazy; not sure he'll ever really want to make any drastic changes to his approach.I do like Stafford as a leader and think he has tremendous resiliency. He's the right kind of guy to have at the most important position. He's positive, energetic and his teammates believe in him.But I would have to agree that from a consistency and efficiency standpoint, he's average or slightly above average. Usage helped him compile numbers in 2011 & 2012; they have a better run game this year - Warford and Waddle have solidified the right side - but he makes too many costly errors.It's not just him. The defense plays well in stretches, then gives up a big play or commits stupid penalties. Though it was not the case in the most recent collapse, they typically get off to bad starts or see a reversal of trends in the 2nd half. Those two things have been a hallmark of the Schwartz regime. I'm of the opinion that points to his lack of preparation and his inability to adjust in game. The team lacks discipline, and again, I think that is on the coaches, and it starts with the HC.I don't disagree at all, i just find it odd to blame his bad throws on his mechanics... seemingly oblivious to the fact he throws like that all the time. Good, bad, in between.. all side arm. He has made some bad decisions this year in particular, and he certainly should improve footwork. Changing his throwing mechanics (arm) isn't gonna happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetMaxx 1,116 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Stafford and that team as a whole needs discipline and accountability. There are no leaders who bring it and the coaching staff fails to drive it home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 14,079 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Lions fans get kicked in the nuts hard by this team week in and week out..we curl up in the fetal position and deal with the pain in the nuts and nausea to the stomach area delivered from the boots of the Lions. We slowly recover and then come back only get kicked in the nuts again. Why??Because the area is big into football and the fans would like to take that beyond the college level. They really deserve better but the feeble owner has held them back for 50 years now & running.Lot of bandwagoners jumped on the Tigers the last three years - its always been a great baseball town when they're competitive - and the Red Wings have had an incredible couple decades, as good as any franchise in any sport. But I've always believed it would be known as a football town if they weren't so inept. Michiganders love football at every level. F'n WCF doesn't understand excellence, Way too much emphasis on loyalty and giving coaches/GMs that 4th/5th/6th chance.Do you guys realize that bastard actually sign the docs to purchase the Lions on the same day JFK got shot? Cursed.Yup, it all starts at the top and runs downhill from there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vector 80 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 WHOOOO WHOOOOO Dear God I am a 46 year old man. You have answered all my other prayers. Please, please, please..... Just once, can the Lions play a game in February? Peace You have better odds playing Mega Millions for the top prize Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,996 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 It really sucks being a Lions fan. They are pathetic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greco 226 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 lol lions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 28 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Stafford is an awful awful QB period....keep chucking it up all the time! Nice strategy up 7 against the freaking Giants. I remember he had like a 4 or 5 int game a couple of years or so back in Soldier Field....nice job paying all that money to this over-rated QB. Without Calvin, this guy would be on the street Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,577 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Kicked in the nuts again!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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