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2024 Detroit Lions: Getting ready for the draft in Motown. (7 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
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The Captain
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I have the same feeling. If I felt like the Lions were building toward something it would feel better, but this is as good as it's going to get, IMO. Suh is leaving and, while I was all for them trying to trade him prior to this season, he is going to be a huge loss. Added to that, it sounds like Austin could be one and done. Losing him would be as big as losing Suh.
If we can keep Austin and Mayhew does an adequate job of replacing the loses on the D-Line, I think things could improve. Those are Big IFs.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
dirtiest team in the league
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
At some point I think it's legitimate to call Lombardi's offensive scheme into question. Joique has been running well since late November, Calvin has been healthy, yet there has been no consistency in the passing game. Stafford gets sacked a ton yet zero screen passes are called. Need to get Ebron more involved as well.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good points. Detroit still needs to show they can beat a good team on the road. This game would certainly qualify.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good offenses usually have at least a 3rd passing option, and Ebron has been slow to develop. Would not mind them getting someone offseason to fill that role as well as replace Ross on returns. Draft they should go OL early.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Plenty of blame to go around:
Stafford had no turnovers, but the offense was ineffective when it mattered most.
As my old coach used to say, that play/game is over, time to move forward.
- D line had its worst game , getting gashed by Lacy & not generating pressure - 1 sack on Flynn, none on Rodgers
- LBs had zero TFL
- Dig missed so many missed tackles he got benched
- punt return TD
- kickoff after tying the game went out of bounds, Rodgers had TD drive off short field
- Bell fumble immediately after blocked FG, led to the TD that put it out of reach
Stafford had no turnovers, but the offense was ineffective when it mattered most.
As my old coach used to say, that play/game is over, time to move forward.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
What hurts the Lions is quality depth..Mayhew had a Matt Millen type 2014 draft. Lions got almost zero production from last years draft class. Ebron made another huge drop when he was wide open yesterday that really cost the Lions points. Lions drafted another TE who has bad hands early in the first rd when quality players were on the board. The 2 point conversion call at the end was very puzzling.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It's a ####### art form for him:
Round 1 - Pick No. 10 (10) - TE Eric Ebron (North Carolina)
Round 2 - Pick No. 8 (40) - OLB Kyle Van Noy (BYU) *from Seattle*
Round 3 - Pick No. 12 (76) - C Travis Swanson (Arkansas)
Round 4 - Pick No. 33 (133) - CB Nevin Lawson (Utah State) *compensatory*
Round 4 - Pick No. 36 (136) - DE Larry Webster (Bloomsburg) *compensatory*
Round 5 - Pick No. 18 (158) - DT Caraun Reid (Princeton) *from Dallas*
Round 6 - Pick No. 13 (189) - WR TJ Jones (Notre Dame)
Round 7 - Pick No. 14 (229) - K Nate Freese (Boston College) *from Dallas*
Brian Xanders gets a bonus pool budget of $70K to go find UDFA, and for the second year in a row he topped the guy running the draft who has a $7.2M bonus pool.
Seriously could not make this #### up.
thatguythere
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thatguythere
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If we were looking to give Stafford some help this year, instead of wasting the ten pick on a TE that obviously needs to develop why not get a WR in one of the deepest classes of all time....if not the best of all time.
You can't tell me these guys wouldn't have helped more than a part time TE with average hands.
Odell Beckham-???
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Cooks
Jordan Matthews
Jarvis Landry
Davante Adams
i guess Mayhew thought he wouldn't be able to get a TE of Ebron's caliber four or five, or 10 picks later. Yeah.
This is two TE's taken in the first round by this team and neither has consistently helped us win games.
You can't tell me these guys wouldn't have helped more than a part time TE with average hands.
Odell Beckham-???
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Cooks
Jordan Matthews
Jarvis Landry
Davante Adams
i guess Mayhew thought he wouldn't be able to get a TE of Ebron's caliber four or five, or 10 picks later. Yeah.
This is two TE's taken in the first round by this team and neither has consistently helped us win games.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ebron would not go until the third rd if they drafted today. Van Noy was hurt but when he came back was not impactful at all. Swanson is a project center who could have been had in the 5th rd. Lawson is a very under sized CB who might be able to play nickel at best. Webster was a project who did nothing, Ried nothing, Jones nothing and Freese was cut.
Ebro at 10 needed to be an impact type of player he just is not dynamic at all. Add in the fact his hands are worse than Pettigrew's and he can`t block. After Watkins and Evans were drafted I thought for sure if the Lions were going WR that Odell Beckam was the guy. I was shocked when Mayhew took Ebron. What is concerning now is that Austin is going to get a HC job in college of the NFL after the season. That is the one person the Lions can`t afford to lose.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
You step on an ankle accidentally and everyone thinks ill will and wonders why this game has gone soft.
Jack Tatum and Deacon Jones are rolling over in their graves.
Jack Tatum and Deacon Jones are rolling over in their graves.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Agree with most of that but I have say Swanson has graded out well this. No issues with his play yesterday other than his shotgun snaps have more zip than Stafford is accustomed to handling. Regardless of where they got him, if he stays healthy that's your C for the next decade.
Ebron graded really well blocking the last month, and had an awesome blitz pickup yesterday. Not what they drafted him for, but just saying he is making progress in that aspect.
The rest of the picks are all incompletes but it doesn't look good.
The Loins had already signed Golden Tate. If they had drafted another WR, Mayhew would have been pilloried as the second coming of Millen. They ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND.If we were looking to give Stafford some help this year, instead of wasting the ten pick on a TE that obviously needs to develop why not get a WR in one of the deepest classes of all time....if not the best of all time.
You can't tell me these guys wouldn't have helped more than a part time TE with average hands.
Odell Beckham-???
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Cooks
Jordan Matthews
Jarvis Landry
Davante Adams
i guess Mayhew thought he wouldn't be able to get a TE of Ebron's caliber four or five, or 10 picks later. Yeah.
This is two TE's taken in the first round by this team and neither has consistently helped us win games.
You step on an ankle accidentally and then intentionally step on the leg again with your other foot and Jack Tatum and Deacon Jones are both smiling happily.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
He should have stopped his momentum after being pushed backwards because he is concerned about stepping on a player.
jurb26
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Game over if so.
dhockster
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thatguythere
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So you take a TE?The Loins had already signed Golden Tate. If they had drafted another WR, Mayhew would have been pilloried as the second coming of Millen. They ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST ROUND.If we were looking to give Stafford some help this year, instead of wasting the ten pick on a TE that obviously needs to develop why not get a WR in one of the deepest classes of all time....if not the best of all time.
You can't tell me these guys wouldn't have helped more than a part time TE with average hands.
Odell Beckham-???
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Cooks
Jordan Matthews
Jarvis Landry
Davante Adams
i guess Mayhew thought he wouldn't be able to get a TE of Ebron's caliber four or five, or 10 picks later. Yeah.
This is two TE's taken in the first round by this team and neither has consistently helped us win games.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
For the love of god, talent trumps all in the NFL.
Does anyone really think a team does not want a Suh on their roster? People will line up to get him.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, Dal was probably winning anyway but it changes a lot. As we've seen a key to slowing Dal down is stopping Murray. If you can do that you have a chance. Not having Suh greatly reduces Det chances of doing that. I think they need to hope Stafford plays out of his Ming in a homecoming now.
The NFL invests a lot of money in psychological evaluations of players because they want to avoid head cases. Not saying someone won't pay it, but Suh's activities are going to make teams shy away and reduce his market value. Suh's a super talented player, but he requires special handling.
The Captain
Footballguy
And thus endeth Suh's career with the Lions. Ugh
ETA: that he was unavailable after the game yesterday speaks volumes to the kind of guy he is. I'm hoping losing him next year will be addition by subtraction.
Would be ironic if he plays for the Cowboys next year. He could be the Cowboys MVP of next week's game before he evens signs.
ETA: that he was unavailable after the game yesterday speaks volumes to the kind of guy he is. I'm hoping losing him next year will be addition by subtraction.
Would be ironic if he plays for the Cowboys next year. He could be the Cowboys MVP of next week's game before he evens signs.
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msudaisy26
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Change the title. 11 - 6 and looking for defensive tackles.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Pretty pathetic that we Lions fans have waited years and years for our team to have a great record and make the playoffs again....and now I don't even know if I'll watch the game.
Life of a Lions fan.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Suh has ran his course in Detroit. Time to open up a ton of cap room and let him walk. On another note Caldwell is a buffoon! Caldwell has got away with numerous clock management errors this season, yesterday Caldwell challenges a play "ala Schwartz" after the refs told him it was not a challenge play and that the runner was ruled down by contact..Caldwell threw the red flag anyway. Going for it on 4th and 11 instead of attempting a 47 yard FG. Caldwells pressers are now getting surlier than Schwarz and he basically will not explain any move and says nothing.
Nothing has changed..Lions still making stupid mistakes, players getting suspended 2 weeks in a row for dirty plays and the HC making game time blunders.
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ImTheScientist
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thatguythere
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Jerry Curl
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Only a Detroit fan would call a coach that led his team to the playoffs and an 11-5 record a buffoon. Detroit fans do not deserve good teams, the fans in the town claim to be loyal but all I see is pure smack talk about their teams on all accounts.
Tigers fans complain about the bullpen even though they are always a front runner.
Pistons fans only come around when they are winning.
Lions fans complain about anything and everything.
Something about the Red Wings though, but I would even question their fans loyalty if they put up a non playoff season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
2015 - we should have between $20-30M in cap space next year. That preliminary number will be ratcheted up, it always is, but regardless, we have around $9.6M in dead money from Suh restructured contracts that will count against it. Between 9, 81 and 90 we'll be forking out around $53M next year.
Disagree on some of your take on Caldwell. Clock management, whatevs, ####### epidemic among NFL head coaches. I actually agreed with the challenge. Not real time, but afterwards it was discussed that if Levy caught the ball first without touching his arm, it could have been overturned. The play was still live, they didn't run in there blowing whistles and pointing down like they do when its down by contact. Def debatable about the 47 yard FG - Prater is no sure thing into the wind on a chewed up field. Totally disagree on his pressers. He's a pretty good natured guy. I don't know if you listen to snippets, but I listen to the whole thing live on Monday's and listen to his daily comments that get uploaded. I think he's shown good leadership this year. He treats the players like men, and while he is hard/fast with his rules on being late, he defers to discussing practice schedules and travel arrangements with the players leadership council. I also spend a lot of time listening to player interview - not snippets, but within context - and I believe the players are firmly behind him. We can nitpick about specific decisions, Monday morning quarterbacking is a long tradition, but the results tell me all i need to know. This is only the fourth Lions team to win 11 or more games, and the first rookie Lions coach to do it since 1931.
As for Suh and the suspension, #### him, its deserved. Now he'll be someone else's problem.
The Captain
Footballguy
Agree with a lot of this. Caldwell's attitude in the presser is a big issue. Maybe it's a culture that refuses to change. Doesn't matter how well things go, the moment things don't go their way the players resort to cheap shots and the coach resorts to belittling reporters for asking a legit question.
And the challenge? It looked like the ref was throwing him a bone by explaining what's going on and he blew the timeout anyway.
It's disturbing.
Manster
Footballguy
You guys could win this game, no doubt. Its not like Dallas has huge homefield advantage.......The thing is, without Fairley and Suh.........Maybe you should be the Detroit Leg stompers.
I'm just excited my 'Boys are hosting a playoff game and didn't fold in December!......The Cowboys fan in me still half expects them to crap the bed though.......We'll see.
I'm just excited my 'Boys are hosting a playoff game and didn't fold in December!......The Cowboys fan in me still half expects them to crap the bed though.......We'll see.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
2014 divisional record: 5-1, best season ever in the four team format of the NFC Central/North (1967-76, 2002-2014). 23 years, best divisional record ever.
As noted above, went 6-2 three times in the nineties and 7-1 in 1983.
Frustrating loss yesterday, but that doesn't alter the fact this is one of the best Lions teams in franchise history.
As noted several times, it's a modest history.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Bobby..I thought you looked up the Lions Strength of schedule. It was just on the radio that the Lions had the second easiest schedule in all of football this past season. And the 4 playoff teams the Lions played they combined score was 102 to only 39 by the Lions. Sometimes records can be a bit deceiving.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Remove him from Detroit and he probably is fine. I also think Suh as a person is not horrible he just makes random horrible decisions. If you get some quality leadership around him who will take him by the helmet and tell him to knock that crap off it likely will go away.
Better yet go to Green Bay and he can't ever be filmed stomping on Rodgers again haha.
Its been 2 years right since his last real issue? His issue now is not that he is being dirty its that he has a record of being dirty and unfortunately stepped on someone the week after his teammate was suspended almost making it seem like they are going out of their way to step on division rivals ankles.
I could see him going down to Texas to join JJ Watt possibly and turn his image around?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Interestingly enough, Vegas odds have not gone up with the news: http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Suh is on record as saying where he goes "is out of his hands, not his decision to make." Which should be interpreted to mean he told his agent: your job is to get me the biggest deal you can, wherever that may be.
Most guys get to that stage of their career and they're thinking about legacy, championships, situation primed to make a run at the Super Bowl, etc. Suh wants money above all else. The floor would seem to be well north of McCoy and Watt money - he wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.
Most guys get to that stage of their career and they're thinking about legacy, championships, situation primed to make a run at the Super Bowl, etc. Suh wants money above all else. The floor would seem to be well north of McCoy and Watt money - he wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Totally agree. Suh never talks about wanting to play for Detroit in the future and looks at the NFL as a business not a game as he should. Suh has no loyalty to any team only himself and he will go to whoever pays him the most money.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Well I guess he is - $100M for six years. Williams got $96M. McCoy's 7 year extension was $95.2M.
Highest paid player/QB is Jay Cutler, so I guess one could aspire to that.
