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Stafford's road record against winning teams is obviously dreadful as alluded to, but simply throwing the stat up there as an emblem to beat him with and lay 100% blame on him is overtly simplistic and beneath the level of conversation that is in this thread for the main. Embedded in that record are games such as Seattle on the road this year, or even Dallas in the playoffs last year. Tell me - what did Stafford do wrong when he took us up the entire field in clutch right at the end of the Seattle game ?

Nobody on here is drinking Stafford kool aid. Most of the posts are reasoned and self aware of his flaws. Seekay's 'anti-kool aid' posts are the closest you'll find to biased rhetoric with a clear pre-formed agenda in this thread.

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He's clearly just trying to fish for responses. Just let him fad away.

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I believe this is the first win the Lions have ever had in January.

I’m usually not one to get caught up in “celebrity” lives, but as a parent my ♥️ goes out to Matthew & Kelly. Her six hour brain surgery morphed into a twelve hour procedure, but she’s walking and

The teams Stafford has been on in the NFL along with basically no coaching has lead to where he is today, still room to grow and improve with solid coaching.

If he was let go right now, 3/4 of the league would come scrambling to try an sign him. (and he's still quite young despite the time he has spent in this league)

He's a good QB with skills, that needs to improve which I believe any decent coaching will push him in that direction..

I would not say 3/4 the league would attempt to pick him up as he would want a good chunk of change and not all teams can afford to waste that on "ability" alone.

So in your mind you feel Stafford has done all he could possibly to improve his game over the years he has been in the league and its the coaching staff who failed him...

I hate to say it but I just dont see that Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rogers.. leadership or intensity on or off the field. He has cut back on the side arm throws.. but then again that seems to be a result of Lombardi's doing since he was OC,

The guy everyone here wants to put 100% blame on.

I am not saying Lombardi was the right hire. I am not saying he was a good OC.I just think it's funny once again people are giving Stafford a pass and making someone else the scapegoat.

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Comparing a mobile QB like RW to Stafford isn't fair. RW extends a lot of plays which leads to more sacks.

That is really untrue.. lol. If that was the case then Aaaron Rogers would be taking a lot more sacks then Matt Stafford every year. Seattle's offensive line pass block as been as bad if not worse then the Lions the last two years.

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It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.

Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.

You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.

Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.

Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.

I never jumped off.

Maybe the best arm talent in the league.

Problem is a QB's arm strength does not equal success. Ask Jay Cutler. You need something upstairs more so then a cannon arm. Joe Montana and Tom Brady dont have cannon arms.

I didn't say arm strength did I? Also - you are really bringing hard hitting stuff when you tell us Stafford isn't Joe Montana.

Ooooh I can play this game too. Nor did I say you said arm strength.

Best arm in the league what does that get you? Kapernick has a better "arm" then 85% of the QBs in this league cant read pass coverage.

QB position is just not lining up and using 100% of your talent. It's more mental then most positions in football. So if your QB is not learning or improving on his trait... then he will not improve. Stafford's stats over the years have not show any improvement from year to year.

He relied on throwing the ball up deep to Calvin in double and triple teams. Now Lombardi tried to make him a more complete QB buy using all his receivers and he failed. Lombardi also failed at his playing calling..

But Stafford early in his career was never "forced" into being a complete QB cause he depending on throwing the ball to the best WR in the league.

Say instead of Calvin Lions had Amendola all those years.. you think Stafford's numbers would of looked the same? Hardly

He might be a better QB now for it.. but wouldnt of had the gaudy numbers from Calvin's presence.

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Stafford's road record against winning teams is obviously dreadful as alluded to, but simply throwing the stat up there as an emblem to beat him with and lay 100% blame on him is overtly simplistic and beneath the level of conversation that is in this thread for the main. Embedded in that record are games such as Seattle on the road this year, or even Dallas in the playoffs last year. Tell me - what did Stafford do wrong when he took us up the entire field in clutch right at the end of the Seattle game ?

Nobody on here is drinking Stafford kool aid. Most of the posts are reasoned and self aware of his flaws. Seekay's 'anti-kool aid' posts are the closest you'll find to biased rhetoric with a clear pre-formed agenda in this thread.

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He's clearly just trying to fish for responses. Just let him fade away.

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I would like to thank Seekay for his insightful post alerting us all that the Lions (a bad team) have lost a lot of games over the last several years.

I didnt write the article I just posted the link. I dont work for Yahoo but thanks for the credit.

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It was tough to get a good read on yesterdays game. It looked like the Eagles came out with zero emotion and even when only down by one score seemed to quit. The body language late in the first quarter told the tale..all were just sitting on the bench shaking their heads. When a defense quits and plays without any kind of intensity it turns into a "Pro-Bowl" type of game. No pass rush, no much hitting, just waiting for the game to end.

Agreed.

On the other hand, we just saw a 1-7 team win in Lambeau, shut down the #6 passing attack, and a third straight outstanding defensive effort yesterday.

I'd split the difference. Yesterday was the only good offensive game during this stretch, so I'm willing to chalk that up to Philly quitting. But given Austin's track record and three straight strong defensive performances, I think it's fair to say they're getting back to (though not matching) what made them so strong last year

All good points here.

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Ansah played 30 snaps last week. He rushed the passer on 21 of those. So basically, a sack every 6 times Sanchez dropped back.

99 had 2 yesterday, so now second in the NFL in Sacks. Not bad for a guy who has been playing the game for six years and didn't start until his Senior year.

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Stafford won't win any championships, but the Lions aren't realistically winning any championships in the next couple of years. They need to draft a QB they think they can groom for the future and ride out the end of Stafford's contract imo.

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What's your take,on tonight's game? Tight, low scoring affair or a continuation of the fireworks from thanksgiving?

Tough to judge much on Detroit's performance last week. Tampa trounced the Eagles too and then laid an egg against Indy. I'm starting Stafford and Lacy, though, so here's to a good old fashioned shootout. :cheers:

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Given the Lions history, I'm expecting a soul crushing defeat. It'll either come tonight or Week 17.

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Done deal. Ask and you shall receive. They played to lose. Caldwell channeled his inner herminator to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory by coaching like a #####.

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Given the Lions history, I'm expecting a soul crushing defeat. It'll either come tonight or Week 17.

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Done deal. Ask and you shall receive. They played to lose. Caldwell channeled his inner herminator to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory by coaching like a #####.

yeah going for it on 4th and 2 that led to the FG was playing to lose

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Given the Lions history, I'm expecting a soul crushing defeat. It'll either come tonight or Week 17.

Forward Down the Field

Done deal. Ask and you shall receive. They played to lose. Caldwell channeled his inner herminator to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory by coaching like a #####.

yeah going for it on 4th and 2 that led to the FG was playing to lose

That was desperation at that point. The way they started the game they should have had a 30 point lead at half time but instead got wayyyyyyyyy to conservative

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Given the Lions history, I'm expecting a soul crushing defeat. It'll either come tonight or Week 17.

Forward Down the Field

Done deal. Ask and you shall receive. They played to lose. Caldwell channeled his inner herminator to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory by coaching like a #####.

yeah going for it on 4th and 2 that led to the FG was playing to lose

3 catches by Calvin is playing to lose. What did he have? 6 targets?

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Given the Lions history, I'm expecting a soul crushing defeat. It'll either come tonight or Week 17.

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Done deal. Ask and you shall receive. They played to lose. Caldwell channeled his inner herminator to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory by coaching like a #####.

yeah going for it on 4th and 2 that led to the FG was playing to lose

3 catches by Calvin is playing to lose. What did he have? 6 targets?

yep

Joique 8 carries for 5 yards

2.58 YPC on the season

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Felt GGRREEAATT seeing Caldwell's stupid expression after the game losing touchdown. Stafford should have thrown for 5 touchdowns this night if Coach Caldfail hadn't curled up into the fetal position and turned conservative. This guy does not belong in a head coaching position. Didnt they do a physical before hiring him? If they had they would have discovered the mustard seeds where his balls are supposed to be. Lol at that idiot. Continue to lose Lions. Stupid of me to play Stafford tonight. I feel like George Bush. Fool me once....

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Maybe we could start a 12 step program on how to de-Lionize ourselves?

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Legendary stuff last night. Right up there with Tom Dempsey, Monte praying, Favre-to-Sharpe, Lomas' guarantee, Cowboys PI, Seahawks batted ball. Hell, maybe worse than of them. ####### #SameOldLions

They actually did a lot right last night, but the coaches blew it. Unreal.

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QUARTERBACKS: B+

Matthew Stafford has been better, but it was another efficient outing for the Lions quarterback. He finished with a passer rating north of 100 after completing 23 of his 35 throws for 220 yards, two touchdowns and zero interceptions.

His biggest throw came in crunch time. When Detroit desperately needed a completion, he fired a laser to TJ Jones to pick up a first down that should have sealed the win.

Stafford also made a couple more big plays with his feet, picking up 10 and 12 yards on his two carries.

RUNNING BACKS: B

Ameer Abdullah continues to flash, bursting up the middle for his longest run of the season, a 36-yarder during a touchdown drive. He finished with a healthy 67 yards on 13 carries.

Joique Bell was less effective, especially when the Lions looked to him to help run out the clock. At least he didn't fumble, but five yards on eight carries is rough.

Theo Riddick had a quiet game, by his recent standards. He finished the night with five grabs for 27 yards.

WIDE RECEIVERS: B

Calvin Johnson dropped a pass early in the game that would have given the Lions a first-and-goal well inside the red zone. But he made up for it with an incredible one-handed, toe-dragging scoring reception near the sideline.

Golden Tate had some communication issues with Stafford, but straightened them out in the second half and finished with a team-high eight receptions.

And we already noted the Jones' grab late in the game, but it was impressive the young receiver was able to pull in the rocket away from his body.

TIGHT ENDS: C

A quiet night from the tight ends, with Eric Ebron catching the only two passes for the group, totaling nine yards. The good news is one went for a touchdown. Brandon Pettigrew was not targeted.

OFFENSIVE LINE: C-

Throughout the first half, the line was stellar, opening some nice holes for the backs while giving Stafford a nice pocket and plenty of time to work with on his drop backs. Things came undone in the third quarter when Riley Reiff badly whiffed while blocking Julius Peppers, leading to Stafford being strip sacked, which the Packers recovered.

When right tackle Michael Ola went down, things turned sharper south. Backup LaAdrian Waddle got called for two penalties in his limited snaps.

DEFENSIVE LINE: B+

Devin Taylor's face mask penalty that allowed the Hail Mary ending, marred an impressive night for the third-year defensive end, who recorded two sacks in the first half. The call, which was controversial, was the correct one. Taylor's thumb got inside Rodger's mask and caused the helmet to twist.

Ezekiel Ansah also continued to rack up the sacks, adding another one to his NFC-leading total.

As a group, the unit also shut down the Packers ground game, holding the backs to 41 yards on 19 carries. Ansah did lose contain though on a 17-yard Aaron Rodgers scramble for a touchdown in the final quarter.

LINEBACKERS: B

Stephen Tulloch had a strong night in run support and Tahir Whitehead added two tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Josh Bynes was in coverage on Rodgers' first touchdown pass, but his decent positioning was trumped by the quarterback's perfect throw.

The Packers did have some success with screen passes, one of which was wiped out by a face mask penalty.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: C+

Isa Abdul-Quddus delivered a complete game. He racked up 11 tackles, two behind the line of scrimmage, a pass breakup and two hits on Rodgers. The safety did get hit with a lengthy pass interference call when he ran into the receiver on an underthrown ball.

Glover Quin came into the contest with a banged-up ankle, but managed to intercept an errant pass. Cornerback Darius Slay didn't give up much of anything on the outside.

Nevin Lawson and Quandre Diggs weren't perfect, but largely held their own.

The whole group does get docked, a full letter grade, for not being able to knock down the Hail Mary pass at the end.

SPECIAL TEAMS: A-

Matt Prater was still battling a serious sinus infection, but managed to knock down all three of his field-goal attempts including a long of 51. Punter Sam Martin was also solid, with a net of 45.7 yards on his boots.

The coverage units were effective, but the Lions return game didn't do much of anything.

COACHING: D

The Lions' game plan was solid, on both sides of the ball. But the offense turtled up late in the game, handing it off to Bell three straight times and giving the Packers one last shot with the ball.

On the Hail Mary throw, Caldwell and Austin put out a defense more worried about the hook-and-ladder instead of the bomb. That's why Calvin Johnson remained on the sideline, which proved to be the wrong decision with no one big enough to contend with tight end Richard Rodgers at the goal line.

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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.

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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.
Then he should be fired.
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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.
Then he should be fired.

Said they made the play and DET didn't. Typical response.

“Because in that situation, we have a couple different things that we do,” coach Jim Caldwell said. “That was one where you’re kind of looking for more of that pass-back-and-forth kind of thing because of the range. (Aaron Rodgers) ran around there so long, moved up, gave himself a chance to get in the end zone.

“We had plenty of guys back there. We had plenty of guys. We just didn’t make the play. They did.”

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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.
Then he should be fired.

Said they made the play and DET didn't. Typical response.

“Because in that situation, we have a couple different things that we do,” coach Jim Caldwell said. “That was one where you’re kind of looking for more of that pass-back-and-forth kind of thing because of the range. (Aaron Rodgers) ran around there so long, moved up, gave himself a chance to get in the end zone.

“We had plenty of guys back there. We had plenty of guys. We just didn’t make the play. They did.”

To answer [icon]. it's because dumb#### expected them to run the jailbreak lateral play for the second time in a row. Calvin plays on the Hail Mary, they have a personnel package for jailbreak.

@BroncoFreak_2K3 - exactly, right? Two guys on the 40 doing nothing made it 11 on 9. Six guys in the end zone all 4-7 yards beyond the GL, NONE of them over 6'2". Tallest guy on that end of the field uncovered has no one within 40 feet as he's tracking back while lining up the punt height pass.

1) We could have had 8 guys back instead of 6, 2) Calvin practices the Hail Mary every week. If you have the wrong package in and they do jailbreak, WGAF? You've got eight guys coming out the end zone to make the tackle.

So stupid on so many levels.

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Gotcha. I didn't know the scoop. Just watching it live I was thinking two things:
1) Why are all the detroit guys behind the GB guys... gave them position on the ball and got boxed out.
2) Where the hell is megatron.... dude can elevate to 14' if needed to catch/swat that ####?!

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This was such a typical Caldwell/SOL loss. We always seem to end up with coaches who get the deer in the headlight look at the most pivotal moments.

This team has/had talent and yet, the coaches still do not. It will cost them all their jobs as Marth Vader cleans house and the carousel continues to spin. Cue the music :dootdootdoodadadadadootdoota:

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Gotcha. I didn't know the scoop. Just watching it live I was thinking two things:

1) Why are all the detroit guys behind the GB guys... gave them position on the ball and got boxed out.

2) Where the hell is megatron.... dude can elevate to 14' if needed to catch/swat that ####?!

Ernie Acorsi is collecting resumes. May require relocation.

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Legendary stuff last night. Right up there with Tom Dempsey, Monte praying, Favre-to-Sharpe, Lomas' guarantee, Cowboys PI, Seahawks batted ball. Hell, maybe worse than of them. ####### #SameOldLions

The Detroit Lions - Finding New Ways to Lose Since 1957®

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As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.
Then he should be fired.

Said they made the play and DET didn't. Typical response.

“Because in that situation, we have a couple different things that we do,” coach Jim Caldwell said. “That was one where you’re kind of looking for more of that pass-back-and-forth kind of thing because of the range. (Aaron Rodgers) ran around there so long, moved up, gave himself a chance to get in the end zone.

“We had plenty of guys back there. We had plenty of guys. We just didn’t make the play. They did.”

To answer [icon]. it's because dumb#### expected them to run the jailbreak lateral play for the second time in a row. Calvin plays on the Hail Mary, they have a personnel package for jailbreak.

@BroncoFreak_2K3 - exactly, right? Two guys on the 40 doing nothing made it 11 on 9. Six guys in the end zone all 4-7 yards beyond the GL, NONE of them over 6'2". Tallest guy on that end of the field uncovered has no one within 40 feet as he's tracking back while lining up the punt height pass.

1) We could have had 8 guys back instead of 6, 2) Calvin practices the Hail Mary every week. If you have the wrong package in and they do jailbreak, WGAF? You've got eight guys coming out the end zone to make the tackle.

So stupid on so many levels.

Two Lions covering the sidelines look like this on that play...

:whoosh::whoosh:

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https://twitter.com/nfl_santa/status/672642689997869056

As a pats fan I can sympathize with you guys on this one

Serious question though, why wouldn't Calvin Johnson be up in that play? Do you guys have one of the most lethal jump ball threats in the entire league...

From what Caldwell said in his presser he had the right people in the right places on the field at thetime. Wouldn't do it differently.
Then he should be fired.

Said they made the play and DET didn't. Typical response.

“Because in that situation, we have a couple different things that we do,” coach Jim Caldwell said. “That was one where you’re kind of looking for more of that pass-back-and-forth kind of thing because of the range. (Aaron Rodgers) ran around there so long, moved up, gave himself a chance to get in the end zone.

“We had plenty of guys back there. We had plenty of guys. We just didn’t make the play. They did.”

To answer [icon]. it's because dumb#### expected them to run the jailbreak lateral play for the second time in a row. Calvin plays on the Hail Mary, they have a personnel package for jailbreak.

@BroncoFreak_2K3 - exactly, right? Two guys on the 40 doing nothing made it 11 on 9. Six guys in the end zone all 4-7 yards beyond the GL, NONE of them over 6'2". Tallest guy on that end of the field uncovered has no one within 40 feet as he's tracking back while lining up the punt height pass.

1) We could have had 8 guys back instead of 6, 2) Calvin practices the Hail Mary every week. If you have the wrong package in and they do jailbreak, WGAF? You've got eight guys coming out the end zone to make the tackle.

So stupid on so many levels.

Two Lions covering the sidelines look like this on that play...

:whoosh::whoosh:

He should be immediately fired. Should have happened weeks ago. He should have been left in London.

Caldwell is a MORON (honestly, I can't say it LOUD enough through this computer doohickie).

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BobbyLayne, on 04 Dec 2015 - 2:03 PM, said:

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Thought they were running the lateral play again.

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That comment alone should get Caldwell fired.

"Hindsight is 20/20," said every bad coach ever.

The game reminded me of the Packers/Seahawks NFC championship game. Just like Caldwell, McCarthy blew that one by not stepping on the throat of the Hawks when he had the chance. But even with the benefit of hindsight, some of these coaches just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. They just can't help themselves. McCarthy and Caldwell were both horrible in this game. Rodgers bailed out one and sunk the other.

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BobbyLayne, on 04 Dec 2015 - 2:03 PM, said:

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Thought they were running the lateral play again.

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That comment alone should get Caldwell fired.

We can only hope.

If nothing else, it would appear to be less likely the Fords will require a new GM to keep Caldwell. Making it more likely to land a legit candidate.

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