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17 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Yeah, I doubt Patricia had much input at all in that, especially with him leaving right after the SB.

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I believe this is the first win the Lions have ever had in January.

I’m usually not one to get caught up in “celebrity” lives, but as a parent my ♥️ goes out to Matthew & Kelly. Her six hour brain surgery morphed into a twelve hour procedure, but she’s walking and

7 minutes ago, ffweasel said:

Any chance that Patricia brings Brian Flores as DC?  

Flores is being considered for NEP DC job (I'll believe the Schiano hire when I see it).. HIGHLY unlikely he'd follow Patricia, IMO. 

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1 hour ago, [icon] said:

Flores is being considered for NEP DC job (I'll believe the Schiano hire when I see it).. HIGHLY unlikely he'd follow Patricia, IMO. 

If Schiano is hired by NEP for the DC job, what are your thoughts on Flores?  If not him, who is available that the Lions May be looking at?

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1 minute ago, ffweasel said:

If Schiano is hired by NEP for the DC job, what are your thoughts on Flores?  If not him, who is available that the Lions May be looking at?

Hard to tell what kind of gameplanner Flores would be but he is HIGHLY respected in that Pats locker room. Tough as nails, no nonsense, very bright kid. I think he'll be the new Pats D coordinator through and Schiano might come on in some sort of advisor/Assistant Head Coach role.

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19 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

I am not really feeling Patricia as an upgrade over Caldwell.

Hard to tell until they actually play some games. If we could grade out HCs by what they did as a DC, Wade Philips would still be a head coach.

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2 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Hard to tell until they actually play some games. If we could grade out HCs by what they did as a DC, Wade Philips would still be a head coach.

Zimmer interviewed for HC jobs for years until the Vikes gave him a shot. I went back & looked at the coaching vacancy threads from 2014 a few weeks & the reviews for the best coach in the NFC North today were pretty lukewarm back in January 2014.

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Paul Pasqualoni as defensive coordinator among Lions’ coaching hires

Pretty sure that’s as expected; was rumored like 10 days - 2 weeks ago.

Key assistant: Jeff Davidson as O-line coach

A former Ohio State Buckeye lineman who played four seasons in the NFL, Davidson has been coaching for 22 years. He worked eight seasons in New England and had a one-year overlap with Patricia in 2004. Davidson most recently coached the Denver Broncos' offensive line.

Watching his presser now. Neatly trimmed beard for his first day on the job.

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my notes from Matt Patricia Press Conference

  • first question was on staffing. many of the offensive coach decisions were made last week. Patricia said he and Quinn reviewed that in the last couple days (wink, wink) & he fully concurs.
  • regarding the hiring process, before the interviews he said he spoke to a number of current and former coaches. before he met with the Lions he wanted to be comfortable with the way the organization is run. of particular importance is the relationship between the HC and Ownership, and the HC/GM dynamic.
  • defensive scheme is TBD. tons of player evaluation to be done, FA, draft, UDFA signings. whatever they run it will be filtered through the capacity & ability of the players. you don't decide on a scheme & then coach the players to that scheme; instead you develop the scheme based on what kind of players you have executing the plan.
  • regarding the BB influence: great experience, saw how things are done at the highest level, obviously lots of success. there's one Bill Bilichick, and I have my own style.
  • talked to Stafford last night, wished him a happy birthday (Matthew turned 30 today.) just kept it light, wanted to give him a chance to get to know me a bit & understand what I'm all about. looking forward to meeting all the players, not just Stafford, but had a great conversation nonetheless.
  • beard trim is an annual exercise. every year the season ends & part of turning the page to a new NFL year is clean it up. nobody noticed before he was holding press conferences days after Super Bowls, (ASIDE - ill fitting suit, and dang, there's that pencil behind the ear.)
  • what he's most looking forward to as HC: "Whether it's offense, defense, or special teams, if I want a particular play, I get to make that call." been looking forward to being a HC since he was a kid playing electric football (& that one guy always went to the side....)
  • regarding the culture: MOVING FORWARD. that's the mantra. you can learn from the past, it's important to understand the history & learn what you can from it, but it's all about moving forward. doesn't matter what happened, I wasn't here, these players weren't here, we are always going to be about moving forward.
  • direct yes or no, one-word answer: is JBC going to be your offensive coordinator? ANSWER: "Well I'm Italian so one-wrd answers don't really work for me. Jim Bob Cooter, he's going to be on the staff next season, & obviously he's had pretty good success so far. looking forward to working with him, I've got some ideas on play calling given that I've spent a lot of time designing defenses to stop offensive play calls." Notably, never did answer the question directly.
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BTW - that's 5 straight years of higher prices. probably not alone on that in the NFL, and they are still in the bottom half league wide.

ETA: that last part was superfluous, it's a given we're always in the bottom half in any category

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I'd like to start by saying that Fords are the best cars, Lions are the best big cats, Eminem is the best rapper, Michigan is the best lake, Aaron Rodgers sucks, Stafford reminds me of Brady, and pizzas should be square.”

I don't know if that's a real quote form Twitter (missed the first few seconds) but if it is  :lmao:

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Would have loved for a writer to say "Welcome to the NFL version of the pit of misery...Dilly Dilly!"

 

Maybe I don`t know what a HC is supposed to look and sound like.  Caldwell just sounded bland and inept at times.  Patricia does not sound the part..he sounds like a GM or assistant.  I know that does not mean anything but just first impression.  Have a hard time seeing him being pissed off at the podium after a loss.

Can`t see him commanding the team...granted I have no data to back that statement up so I hope I am wrong.

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9 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Would have loved for a writer to say "Welcome to the NFL version of the pit of misery...Dilly Dilly!"

 

Maybe I don`t know what a HC is supposed to look and sound like.  Caldwell just sounded bland and inept at times.  Patricia does not sound the part..he sounds like a GM or assistant.  I know that does not mean anything but just first impression.  Have a hard time seeing him being pissed off at the podium after a loss.

Can`t see him commanding the team...granted I have no data to back that statement up so I hope I am wrong.

Belichick doesn’t show a lot of emotion and he commands his team pretty well. I do agree he doesn’t look the part. We’ll see soon enough. 

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5 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Would have loved for a writer to say "Welcome to the NFL version of the pit of misery...Dilly Dilly!"

 

Maybe I don`t know what a HC is supposed to look and sound like.  Caldwell just sounded bland and inept at times.  Patricia does not sound the part..he sounds like a GM or assistant.  I know that does not mean anything but just first impression.  Have a hard time seeing him being pissed off at the podium after a loss.

Can`t see him commanding the team...granted I have no data to back that statement up so I hope I am wrong.

You’ve made variations of that comment several times since I suggested The Patricia two years ago. You’ve said many, many times we should have kept Schwartz / would have performed the same or better. Schwartz went 0-8 and 1-6 the second half of his last two seasons - it’s an untenable position to say keeping him was even an option - and accomplished very little that would indicate he was on the brink of posting the best 4-year Lions record of the Super Bowl era.

But what exactly does a head coach look and sound like? Does he have to yell a lot? Does he have to remind you of Norman Schwarzkopf? Are needy engineers incapable of being leaders of men?

I’ve never once heard you say anything resembling a kind word about Coach Caldwell. He’s a flawed in-game coach - to be fair his clock management improved dramatically in 2016 & 2017 - and he failed at the most important aspect, beating good playoff bound teams.

But people who are there everyday say Caldwell changed the culture. Remember we had a ton of players who had numerous off-field incidents, and on the field the Lions were indisciplined. Stupid, boneheaded penalties, getting in fights, playing dirty, costly mistakes, Stafford was regressing. Think about it - the bad qualities that were pervasive under Schwartz simply disappeared under Caldwell.

Coach Caldwell wasn’t the LT answer, but the team & organization Patricia is walking into is light years ahead of where they were at when they moved on from the Schwartz train wreck.

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3 minutes ago, ffweasel said:

Did Patricia actually commit to JBC as the OC or just that he’d still be there? 

As I said in my notes from the PC post, nope. He’ll be on staff. Did not say if he would be the OC.

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4 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Hard to tell until they actually play some games. If we could grade out HCs by what they did as a DC, Wade Philips would still be a head coach.

Yeah all you can do is keep an open mind and hope for the best.

I am not really a fan of his as a defensive coordinator. The Patriots defense has been getting worse it seems recently to not very good this year at all. I know this is partly about personnel as well. Just not really impressed with Patricias work as a DC. Maybe he will make a good HC. I don't know.

Maybe I am being biased against his name. Doesn't seem very manly.

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7 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

You’ve made variations of that comment several times since I suggested The Patricia two years ago. You’ve said many, many times we should have kept Schwartz / would have performed the same or better. Schwartz went 0-8 and 1-6 the second half of his last two seasons - it’s an untenable position to say keeping him was even an option - and accomplished very little that would indicate he was on the brink of posting the best 4-year Lions record of the Super Bowl era.

But what exactly does a head coach look and sound like? Does he have to yell a lot? Does he have to remind you of Norman Schwarzkopf? Are needy engineers incapable of being leaders of men?

I’ve never once heard you say anything resembling a kind word about Coach Caldwell. He’s a flawed in-game coach - to be fair his clock management improved dramatically in 2016 & 2017 - and he failed at the most important aspect, beating good playoff bound teams.

But people who are there everyday say Caldwell changed the culture. Remember we had a ton of players who had numerous off-field incidents, and on the field the Lions were indisciplined. Stupid, boneheaded penalties, getting in fights, playing dirty, costly mistakes, Stafford was regressing. Think about it - the bad qualities that were pervasive under Schwartz simply disappeared under Caldwell.

Coach Caldwell wasn’t the LT answer, but the team & organization Patricia is walking into is light years ahead of where they were at when they moved on from the Schwartz train wreck.

I've been on the verge of posting this for awhile now, so thanks for doing it.

It always felt weird to defend Caldwell, because I don't think he's that great of a coach. But people describe him like he's Rich Kotite and Ray Handley's bastard love child. The hate went WAAAAAYYY too far with him. If he did something well (like his overall record) people would come up with reasons to discount it. But they were never willing to cut him a break if something went wrong.

I appreciate him taking the Lions as far as he could take them, and wish him success in whatever he does next.

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42 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

You’ve made variations of that comment several times since I suggested The Patricia two years ago. You’ve said many, many times we should have kept Schwartz / would have performed the same or better. Schwartz went 0-8 and 1-6 the second half of his last two seasons - it’s an untenable position to say keeping him was even an option - and accomplished very little that would indicate he was on the brink of posting the best 4-year Lions record of the Super Bowl era.

But what exactly does a head coach look and sound like? Does he have to yell a lot? Does he have to remind you of Norman Schwarzkopf? Are needy engineers incapable of being leaders of men?

I’ve never once heard you say anything resembling a kind word about Coach Caldwell. He’s a flawed in-game coach - to be fair his clock management improved dramatically in 2016 & 2017 - and he failed at the most important aspect, beating good playoff bound teams.

But people who are there everyday say Caldwell changed the culture. Remember we had a ton of players who had numerous off-field incidents, and on the field the Lions were indisciplined. Stupid, boneheaded penalties, getting in fights, playing dirty, costly mistakes, Stafford was regressing. Think about it - the bad qualities that were pervasive under Schwartz simply disappeared under Caldwell.

Coach Caldwell wasn’t the LT answer, but the team & organization Patricia is walking into is light years ahead of where they were at when they moved on from the Schwartz train wreck.

I said many times Jim Caldwell is a fine human being.

I do like the hiring and feel he was the best out there but time will tell as with all HCs. I like the fact that Patricia and Quinn are on the same page and have a good working relationship.

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32 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

I said many times Jim Caldwell is a fine human being.

I do like the hiring and feel he was the best out there but time will tell as with all HCs. I like the fact that Patricia and Quinn are on the same page and have a good working relationship.

It totally is an inexact science. Everyone snickered at hiring Reid’s OC two years ago because he had “emotional intelligence.” Nobody thought he was a genius when he went 5-11, but Pederson’s IQ shot up about 70 points Sunday night.

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1 hour ago, BobbyLayne said:

It totally is an inexact science. Everyone snickered at hiring Reid’s OC two years ago because he had “emotional intelligence.” Nobody thought he was a genius when he went 5-11, but Pederson’s IQ shot up about 70 points Sunday night.

7-9 but your point stands. 

Other than Belichick, Pederson, Zimmer, McVay and maybe Carroll, is any fan base satisfied with their coach? It's like the Reverse Lake Wobegon Effect: every coach is below average.

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2 hours ago, zftcg said:

7-9 but your point stands. 

Other than Belichick, Pederson, Zimmer, McVay and maybe Carroll, is any fan base satisfied with their coach? It's like the Reverse Lake Wobegon Effect: every coach is below average.

Dan Quinn looked like smartest guy in the room until the second half of LI. Less than a year later everyone in ATL is - OK. It’s a lame fan base but still - calling him a moron.

Carlos Monotoneriz - he only writes negativity - asked if the Lions would win Super Bowl LIII. It was typical baiting Carlos question asked in the most arrogant tone, like he was challenging Coach Patricia day one. Herman Moore was sneering at him like he wanted to punch him. (don’t get me started on that jerkazoid Valenti) I DIGRESS...both Bob Quinn (earlier) & Patricia today said there’s no timeline, there’s no “our goal is to win XXX by XXXX.” 

All well & good, typical meaningless coachspeak, but more so than anytime in my time as a Lions fan - 52 years this fall - this is a win now hire. Nobody expects a SB appearance year one, but doggone, the best 4-year stretch of the Ford ownership history wasn’t good enough.

A division title, playoff win, home field, securing a bye - whatever Pateicia accomplishes in his time here, because hey, they all get fired sooner or later - it better include ticking more than one of those boxes.

Stafford has been, by a country mile, the best Lions QB since my namesake. It’s meaningless. Going into Year Ten in his 30th year, nobody cares if he hits 70% or throws for 40 TDs or has XX comeback wins. It’s legacy or nothing. Win like no Lions QB since Layne. That’s the objective.

I think Stafford is a good guy, great ambassador for the brand, superb humanitarian along with his pretty wife, he’s probably a great dad to his adorable twins. Look around the league, we could do A LOT worse for the face if the franchise. But years 10, 11, & 12 better be actual (not relative) accomplishments. They didn’t give him three sweetheart deals with a cumulative worth of $260M to finish his career with zero playoff wins.

#oncebeforeidielord

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Oh, and JBC is the OC

 

Asked whether Cooter would be his offensive coordinator, the new Lions head coach said: "Jim Bob is on staff and he will be here." Which, OK, but that's not really an answer either. And the internet being what it is, people immediately began to wonder whether Cooter could be headed for a new role.

Turns out, that was much ado about nothing. 

"Jim Bob's the offensive coordinator," Patricia told MLive with a shake of the head Wednesday night. "There's no issue there whatsoever. I guess it was lost in translation there somewhere."

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On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 3:51 PM, BobbyLayne said:

my notes from Matt Patricia Press Conference

 

  • defensive scheme is TBD. tons of player evaluation to be done, FA, draft, UDFA signings. whatever they run it will be filtered through the capacity & ability of the players. you don't decide on a scheme & then coach the players to that scheme; instead you develop the scheme based on what kind of players you have executing the plan.
  • what he's most looking forward to as HC: "Whether it's offense, defense, or special teams, if I want a particular play, I get to make that call." been looking forward to being a HC since he was a kid playing electric football (& that one guy always went to the side....)
  • regarding the culture: MOVING FORWARD. that's the mantra. you can learn from the past, it's important to understand the history & learn what you can from it, but it's all about moving forward. doesn't matter what happened, I wasn't here, these players weren't here, we are always going to be about moving forward.

Key parts to me, most of all the bolded.

This is how you do it (and how New England has been doing it). You don't pass on guys because they "don't fit our scheme" and you don't draft dullard/lazy physical wonders and tell yourself "we can coach him up".

As far as any other influences, you can't spell Patricia without at least starting with Patriots.

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1 hour ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Key parts to me, most of all the bolded.

This is how you do it (and how New England has been doing it). You don't pass on guys because they "don't fit our scheme" and you don't draft dullard/lazy physical wonders and tell yourself "we can coach him up".

As far as any other influences, you can't spell Patricia without at least starting with Patriots.

I know that was a joke, but it sounds like one of the reasons former Belichick assistants haven't done well as HCs is because they've tried to simply imitate BB. (I'm thinking of McDaniels, Mangini and Piloli in particular.)

I hope Patricia brings a lot of what he learned in NE over to Detroit, but I also hope he charts his own path. After all, it's not like Belichick just tried to imitate Parcells

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On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 0:23 PM, zftcg said:

I know that was a joke, but it sounds like one of the reasons former Belichick assistants haven't done well as HCs is because they've tried to simply imitate BB. (I'm thinking of McDaniels, Mangini and Piloli in particular.)

I hope Patricia brings a lot of what he learned in NE over to Detroit, but I also hope he charts his own path. After all, it's not like Belichick just tried to imitate Parcells

I think what screwed up the other guys was coming into another system totally foreign to them in terms of front office. You just can't plug a round peg into the still square hole. Hopefully already having Quinn here will smooth out that problem.

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Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

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5 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

2022

Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

If they can do all or most of that they will be heroes. If not, just the same old Lion zeros.

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24 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

2022

Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

Man those are some depressing numbers

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1 hour ago, BobbyLayne said:

2022

Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

If they can`t get it done in 5 years they all should be gone. Stafford will be 35 by then and on the downside, Quinn will have had 7 years and Patricia 5 years.

Remember this is the Lions..toss in a playoff win or two and they will all get extensions.

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9 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

2022

Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

Man those are some depressing numbers

From 1933-1971 - 39 seasons - 1 (tied) division title, lost their only playoff game, had exactly 7 winning seasons, never won more than 9 games

From 1960-2000 - 41 seasons -  5 division title, 7-10 in playoff games, 19 winning seasons, 1 SB (blowout loss) appearance, never won more than 11 games

Neither the Steelers or Patriots extended their futility into a sixth decade, but there are precedents for lousy franchises changing the culture & becoming powerhouses

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9 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

From 1933-1971 - 39 seasons - 1 (tied) division title, lost their only playoff game, had exactly 7 winning seasons, never won more than 9 games

From 1960-2000 - 41 seasons -  5 division title, 7-10 in playoff games, 19 winning seasons, 1 SB (blowout loss) appearance, never won more than 11 games

Neither the Steelers or Patriots extended their futility into a sixth decade, but there are precedents for lousy franchises changing the culture & becoming powerhouses

I would like to know more about this Detroit Super Bowl appearance.  

Or are you perhaps refering to a time when the Super Bowl appeared in Detroit?  26-21 isn't exactly a blowout, though admittedly the game felt like one for much of the time.

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3 hours ago, Arodin said:

I would like to know more about this Detroit Super Bowl appearance.  

Or are you perhaps refering to a time when the Super Bowl appeared in Detroit?  26-21 isn't exactly a blowout, though admittedly the game felt like one for much of the time.

he's comparing where the Lions are now with where Pitt and NE were at one point.  NE has the blowout SB loss to the Bears.

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23 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

2022

Quinn, Patricia, & Stafford are all signed through the next 5 seasons.

The Lions have never won 13 or more games in a regular season, have never been a number one seed, made zero Super Bowl appearances, last won a playoff game in 1991, and last won the division title in 1993.

For those three men, the next five years - and likely their entire careers - will be judged by exceeding those benchmarks / ending those streaks. That’s not fair TBH, you’re basically saying be the best this town has ever seen or you’re a failure. But I think it’s accurate that is the expectation.

Your "pal" Valenti keeps harping on that it should be Super Bowl or bust for this trio. As much as I agree he's a blowhard (and shouldn't he be more worried about the Giants?), it's a fair point, given a mediocre team, new leadership, and how fast teams rise (who had bets on Eagles, Rams and Vikes being the elite of the conference?) and fall (Raiders-Cowboys super bowl hype, right?). 

I think a few playoff wins or (mostly likely and) a NFC title game appearance would be enough to make most fans okay with extending this group a little longer. If you can win a division title or two, all the better, though at the moment that's essentially asking Rodgers to retire and the Vikings to not bother hiring a QB. The Lions don't necessary need to win 13 to go somewhere in the playoffs, though of course I'm not saying 'no' to it. 

I just can't decide if this being "good enough" is realistic or having hope dashed to shreds for so long.

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9 hours ago, Arodin said:
18 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

From 1933-1971 - 39 seasons - 1 (tied) division title, lost their only playoff game, had exactly 7 winning seasons, never won more than 9 games

From 1960-2000 - 41 seasons -  5 division title, 7-10 in playoff games, 19 winning seasons, 1 SB (blowout loss) appearance, never won more than 11 games

Neither the Steelers or Patriots extended their futility into a sixth decade, but there are precedents for lousy franchises changing the culture & becoming powerhouses

I would like to know more about this Detroit Super Bowl appearance.  

Or are you perhaps refering to a time when the Super Bowl appeared in Detroit?  26-21 isn't exactly a blowout, though admittedly the game felt like one for much of the time.

Sorry I wasn’t more explicit - paragraph 1 is the Steelers, paragraph 2 is the Patriots, paragraph 3 ties the thoughts together. The Patriots - Bears was def a blowout. I’m middle aged & forgot the Pats also lost to the Pack in the 90s, so two SB appearances in their first 41.

Not sure how anyone could link Detroit hosting a Super Bowl with anything I wrote but maybe you’re an outside the box kinda thinker.

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5 hours ago, Mt. Man said:

Your "pal" Valenti keeps harping on that it should be Super Bowl or bust for this trio. As much as I agree he's a blowhard (and shouldn't he be more worried about the Giants?), it's a fair point, given a mediocre team, new leadership, and how fast teams rise (who had bets on Eagles, Rams and Vikes being the elite of the conference?) and fall (Raiders-Cowboys super bowl hype, right?). 

I think a few playoff wins or (mostly likely and) a NFC title game appearance would be enough to make most fans okay with extending this group a little longer. If you can win a division title or two, all the better, though at the moment that's essentially asking Rodgers to retire and the Vikings to not bother hiring a QB. The Lions don't necessary need to win 13 to go somewhere in the playoffs, though of course I'm not saying 'no' to it. 

I just can't decide if this being "good enough" is realistic or having hope dashed to shreds for so long.

Never understood what drives guys like Valenti, Rob Parker, or Carlos Monarrez. Bayless, Coeherd, SAS - I get it, you take a vapid existence in exchange to play the heel. You don’t even believe half the stuff that comes flying outta your mouth but that’s what they pay you for, and in the postmodern world of everything is relative, who cares about integrity anymore. But a small fry local guy, you’re not invisible like you can be in NYC. You’re out there in the community & your business card says “Professional #######.” Must be a great life.

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35 minutes ago, Ben & Jerry's said:

Is Miles Killebrew going to earn a bigger role this season ? 

Regressed as the season wore on; 2017 was a step back. For awhile they were replacing Jarrad Davis with him, he sucked les than the two rookie LBs (not saying much.) When Tavon Wilson went down, instead of increasing Miles role they moved slot corner Quandre Diggs to SS, and he was lights out. Teez Tabor took over Killibrew’s role and played well the last month.

DBs are the strength of the Lions D as a group, and MK finished the year as their 6th/7th best DB (all positions.) That said, Patricia favors versatile defensive players, so he *might* have an enlarged role in 2018.

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