They might have the cap room to do it if they see the good Ziggy this year. GM also left hints (like he did with the 2nd round RB before day 1) that they are not finished and could end up signing someone else's cap casualty.So the lack of edge rusher seems to indicate they plan to resign Ziggy, right?
I have read some things on Twitter indicating the Lions new defense might not have an emphasis on edge rushers, but instead they prefer their DEs to be bigger (like Hand from Bama) and to simply set the edge. The pressure on the pass rusher is more likely to come from the guys standing up than the front 3.They might have the cap room to do it if they see the good Ziggy this year. GM also left hints (like he did with the 2nd round RB before day 1) that they are not finished and could end up signing someone else's cap casualty.
Good point about Blount keeping Karryon on fresh. My guess for RB usage would be Kerryon on 1st and 2nd, Blount in short yardage, Theo on passing downs in the backfield or the slot, Ameer on passing downs. Then our FB will be in on short yardage and special teams. ZZ, Tion and Washington are gone. If another team gets hit with an injury or 2 in their backfield during camp and preseason we could see Ameer moved. There are some teams that are very thin at RB and just 1 injury would leave with in need immediate help (Tampa, Carolina, Indy)As far as that RB goes, hopefully going to a committee backfield will stave off the injuries that will happen when they give you the ball 25 times a game like Auburn did last year. I would assume that Blount on a 1 year contract will be run hard like an old beater while we have still him here. Theo and/or AA + the FB might fill out the final "4 or 5" RBs that the GM says he will keep on the active roster. The FB should get plenty of ST work + the occasional jumbo set on short yardage I would think. ZZ, Tion & Washington could be the cuts unless they settle for the practice squad.
One year rental flipped into a draft pick, not too bad. I would be surprised if they didn't go after somebody, Hankins would be ideal. Hometown guy too.ffweasel said:Traded Spence? Does this mean we could possibly sign Hankins? It’s not like we don’t need DTs..
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931300/article/detroit-lions-trade-dt-akeem-spence-to-dolphins?campaign=fb-nf-sf188763329-sf188763329&sf188763329=1
This crap is so out of control. Good for the Lions shutting it all down and backing Patricia.Old sexual assault case resurfaces.
The Detroit News' Robert Snell reported that Patricia and his friend, Greg Dietrich, were arrested and charged with sexual assault at South Padre Island, Texas in 1996 after they allegedly "took turns violently sexually assaulting" the woman in her hotel room. There weren't many details from the report about the alleged incident itself, as "the police report was discarded, and several figures involved said they could not recall the case -- not the police chief, lieutenant, grand jury forewoman, prosecutor, assistant prosecutor or defense attorneys," Snell wrote in his story.
What is out of control? He was charged with sexual assault. It was dropped and it hasn't prevented him from reaching the top of his profession?This crap is so out of control. Good for the Lions shutting it all down and backing Patricia.
The effort to make these decades old accusations news (many more examples beyond Patricia).What is out of control? He was charged with sexual assault. It was dropped and it hasn't prevented him from reaching the top of his profession?
Why would it ever come up?Bigger question for me is how this never came up when he was on the Pats?
He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?The effort to make these decades old accusations news (many more examples beyond Patricia).
Whoever the reporter is that thought this was relevant.
These cowardly headlines.
Making Matt Patricia come out and do a news conference right now about the decades old accusations that some reporter thought was relevant enough to create cowardly headlines over.
#wannabeMeToo
Just heard a lawyer on the radio saying Patricia needs to be careful because if he comes out too strong proclaiming innocence it could provoke the victim into speaking out.He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?
Nope. Not relevant at all.He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?
They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.Why would it ever come up?
It is a 22 year old non-issue.They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.
They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.Why would it ever come up?
What victim?Just heard a lawyer on the radio saying Patricia needs to be careful because if he comes out too strong proclaiming innocence it could provoke the victim into speaking out.
I mostly agree- I’m not saying anything should happen to Patricia. I just would expect teams to be very thorough with coaches. He was hired in 2004 so it was only 8 years after the incident.It is a 22 year old non-issue.
“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”I mostly agree- I’m not saying anything should happen to Patricia. I just would expect teams to be very thorough with changes. He was hired in 2004 so it was only 8 years after the incident.
Maybe it did come up and they deemed it wasn’t an issue.
It’s fine- I would expect and hope for all employers to that. However we know teams don’t always treat the players the same way. That’s a problem.“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”
Oh someone is definitely getting reamed for not finding this issue. These NFL teams follow around draft picks with private investigators and know what they ate for breakfast 7 years ago. It's sad that they don't have a decent system for checking employees.“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”
What issue?Oh someone is definitely getting reamed for not finding this issue. These NFL teams follow around draft picks with private investigators and know what they ate for breakfast 7 years ago. It's sad that they don't have a decent system for checking employees.
Why are you so certain? I’m not saying he did anything wrong, but there is an arrest report. Unless you were in the room, you’re being awfully dismissive for no reason.It is a 22 year old non-issue.
Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of. Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.Why are you so certain? I’m not saying he did anything wrong, but there is an arrest report. Unless you were in the room, you’re being awfully dismissive for no reason.
I’m not asking him to prove innocence and I don’t think the Lions need to take any action. Should we all just have assumed that Billy Cosby was super cool because someone accused him of something in the past? I don’t know what happened here, you don’t know what happened here. The difference being, you pretend you do.Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of. Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.
And there you go.I’m not asking him to prove innocence and I don’t think the Lions need to take any action. Should we all just have assumed that Billy Cosby was super cool because someone accused him of something in the past? I don’t know what happened here, you don’t know what happened here. The difference being, you pretend you do.
He doesn’t have to prove his innocence in a court of law. But as his employer - OF COURSE I’m going to interrogate him about it. I don’t want a rapist around my office, representing my team. So I would do whatever I can to find the truth.Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of. Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.
I side with you on this but by NFL logic, it doesn't matter- just need to look at Zeke case for that.Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of. Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.
Could have fooled me... you say nothing happened, then you say you don’t claim to know what happened. As to the bold, wtf are you rambling about?I do not claim to know what happened in a case that was dismissed.
Should we all just assume he isn't Charlie Weinstein? I think you are onto something here with Cosby, so many similarities I'm starting to think Patricia is black, amiright?
Now we are warning Patricia to NOT be too strong asserting nothing happened in a 22 year old incident where... nothing happened.
I think Patricia even eats Jello Pops. Dead give away for him being like Cosby, amiright?Could have fooled me... also wtf are you rambling about?
Keep drinking that kool aid brother.
His fatass has eaten many jello pops.I think Patricia even eats Jello Pops. Dead give away for him being like Cosby, amiright?
Now you are bringing Weinstein into it? Come on man.His fatass has eaten many jello pops.
the confluence of your handle and this statement is not lost on me.He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?
The players are young though none of their baggage is 20 years old. I guarantee this would be a huge issue for Patricia, and he likely wouldn't been hired, if this happened in the past couple of years.It’s fine- I would expect and hope for all employers to that. However we know teams don’t always treat the players the same way. That’s a problem.
This has been addressed. Both teams did their due diligence.For those bashing the Lions why are the Patriots getting a free pass here? They are the ones the first hired him and gave him a prime gig in the NFL allowing him to ultimately land a head coaching job. Did they not do their due diligence as well?
Probably because this is a Lions thread filled with Lions fans.Pipes said:For those bashing the Lions why are the Patriots getting a free pass here? They are the ones the first hired him and gave him a prime gig in the NFL allowing him to ultimately land a head coaching job. Did they not do their due diligence as well?
I have done tons of background checks, and all arrest show up unless one was expunged or sealed. If you got arrested for disturbing the peace and the charges were dropped or you were found not guilty, it would show up in the background check. Maybe it differs from state to state. It sounds like the front office only cared about the convictions.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:Innocent until proven guilty....and background check only show convictions
It also depends upon how far back a particular department has digitalized their records.I have done tons of background checks, and all arrest show up unless one was expunged or sealed. If you got arrested for disturbing the peace and the charges were dropped or you were found not guilty, it would show up in the background check. Maybe it differs from state to state. It sounds like the front office only cared about the convictions.
I don't understand how you can say that when neither one of them knew about this.matuski said:This has been addressed. Both teams did their due diligence.
Knew about what. A case dismissed 22 years ago? Why would they? Why would it matter?I don't understand how you can say that when neither one of them knew about this.