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I believe this is the first win the Lions have ever had in January.

I’m usually not one to get caught up in “celebrity” lives, but as a parent my ♥️ goes out to Matthew & Kelly. Her six hour brain surgery morphed into a twelve hour procedure, but she’s walking and

On ‎10‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 2:25 PM, BobbyLayne said:

^^ Dude is still bitter about Calvin :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Don`t know why but I am getting a good feeling about Matty-Patty.  Watching him on the sidelines and how the players respond to him when he is talking, listening to him after games. Knew there would be some growing pains with a first time HC but Patricia seems totally aware of everything so hopefully he can put it together.

The pressers alone make him better than the doom and gloom Caldwell pressers.  "Check the report"

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On 5/15/2018 at 11:14 AM, zftcg said:

As a Lions fan, are you ready to forgive Matt Millen?

I think I'm mostly over it, and not just because he's sick (though I certainly wish him good health). I think it's because with the benefit of hindsight, I can see clearly that while he was the worst GM the Lions (and maybe the entire NFL) has ever seen, it's not like the other people who ran the franchise before and since have done a whole lot better. I guess what I'm saying is that the further we get from the Millen Era, the more he blends in with the rest of the franchise's suckitude. He took a mediocre team and made it God-awful, and since that time the franchise has rebounded back to mediocrity.

I will also give him the tiniest bit of credit for the 2007 draft: Yes, it was universally recognized even at the time that Calvin was a generational talent and a can't-miss prospect. Still, as King points out, Millen had already taken three WRs in the Top Ten over the previous four years, and to that point had gotten two total busts and a middling starter (while passing on Andre Johnson and DeMarcus Ware). No matter how sure anyone was about Calvin's talent, you have to assume anyone in that position would have some gnawing doubts about not screwing it up yet again. So I give him half a cheer for finally getting it right.

I don't want to make too many jokes about a man who is very sick, but LOL at Aikman and Buck saying on tonight's TNF broadcast that no one has anything bad to say about Millen.

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2 minutes ago, zftcg said:

I don't want to make too many jokes about a man who is very sick, but LOL at Aikman and Buck saying on tonight's TNF broadcast that no one has anything bad to say about Millen.

Millen has always seemed like a good guy who is funny and was a good broadcaster that knew the game.  WCF loved his broadcasts so much and thought he was so knowledgeable  he hired him as GM.  Then he loved having dinner and talking with Millen so much, listening to his stories that he extended his contract as the team was going down the tubes.

Matt Millen is a good man but the worst GM in the history of the NFL. I don`t blame Millen though as he should have never been hired by any team.

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9 hours ago, Da Guru said:

Millen has always seemed like a good guy who is funny and was a good broadcaster that knew the game.  WCF loved his broadcasts so much and thought he was so knowledgeable  he hired him as GM.  Then he loved having dinner and talking with Millen so much, listening to his stories that he extended his contract as the team was going down the tubes.

Matt Millen is a good man but the worst GM in the history of the NFL. I don`t blame Millen though as he should have never been hired by any team.

Totally agree. It was just funny, as a Lions fan, to hear them talk about him for five minutes and totally avoid the elephant in the room.

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Have to say our division this year is fascinating. 

Bears lead with their fine defence but I’m not entirely convinced that they can keep it up and there is a lot of divisional games to be played. 

Vikings are strong but have some pretty major warts - O line is struggling very badly, run game non existent and the D has perhaps not been as dominant as suspected 

Packers have Rodgers, but they also have McCarthy. As a Brit, they remind me of Arsenal under Wenger - talented team but with a ceiling on them whilst he remains in charge. 

Then us. Removing week 1 there is reason for positivity. Like the others we have our fair share of blemishes, but also our fair share of strengths. Slow starters out of the blocks at 2-3, but a long way to go. 

Think this might be the most interesting division in football this year, and there is possibly room for a wild card out of it ( presuming that the NFC South takes the other wildcard. 

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10 minutes ago, TartanLion said:

Have to say our division this year is fascinating. 

Bears lead with their fine defence but I’m not entirely convinced that they can keep it up and there is a lot of divisional games to be played. 

Vikings are strong but have some pretty major warts - O line is struggling very badly, run game non existent and the D has perhaps not been as dominant as suspected 

Packers have Rodgers, but they also have McCarthy. As a Brit, they remind me of Arsenal under Wenger - talented team but with a ceiling on them whilst he remains in charge. 

Then us. Removing week 1 there is reason for positivity. Like the others we have our fair share of blemishes, but also our fair share of strengths. Slow starters out of the blocks at 2-3, but a long way to go. 

Think this might be the most interesting division in football this year, and there is possibly room for a wild card out of it ( presuming that the NFC South takes the other wildcard. 

Was thinking the other day about how after Week 1, we all probably figured we had the NFC North figured out, and it was pretty much what we all expected: Minnesota was set to dominate again, the Packers were contenders as long as they had Rodgers, the Bears were frisky but would ultimately come up short, and the Lions were a dumpster fire.

Since then, every one of those narratives has fallen apart. Vikes look very shaky, especially their o-line/running game and defense; McCarthy's incompetence and overreliance on Rodgers may have finally caught up with him; the Bears D may be dominant enough to overcome their mediocre offense; and the Lions ... well, they have the potential to be good, but are at least not a dumpster fire, and will probably end up somewhere in the middle.

To be clear, these narratives may be wrong as well. But it's where we are right now, and they're all very different from what we thought a month ago. All of which is to say I have no idea how the rest of the season will play out.

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9 hours ago, Da Guru said:

Millen has always seemed like a good guy who is funny and was a good broadcaster that knew the game.  WCF loved his broadcasts so much and thought he was so knowledgeable  he hired him as GM.  Then he loved having dinner and talking with Millen so much, listening to his stories that he extended his contract as the team was going down the tubes.

Matt Millen is a good man but the worst GM in the history of the NFL. I don`t blame Millen though as he should have never been hired by any team.

He called one of the players a ###### so that wasn't being a good guy. 

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16 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

He called one of the players a ###### so that wasn't being a good guy. 

Well not going to judge if he is a good guy or not because of that.  I know it is not correct but that was a pretty common term that was thrown around by athletes back in the day.

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4 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Well not going to judge if he is a good guy or not because of that.  I know it is not correct but that was a pretty common term that was thrown around by athletes back in the day.

Yeah I know. I'm not holding one incident him either, but I don't really know much about him either so it left with a negative feeling. 

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Went to the game yesterday. I'm not saying anything people haven't already been saying all year, but the difference between when Johnson was in vs. when Blount was in was just so apparent. Every time they broke the huddle and I saw Blount in the backfield, it was deflating. And then the result of the play would generally bear that out. And this was one of his better games!

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Defense swarming to the ball and making tackles, oline clearing lanes, and kerryon getting the work he deserves. Golladay with yet another td called back, his overall numbers would look great otherwise. Very efficient on offense, we punted 1 time that I remember but I haven’t actually looked. Disciplined football, not too many penalties (again, stream of thought and haven’t looked at the actual numbers.) 

I really hope we keep using KJ more. He is clearly the best back, and is also versatile. We bring in Blount or riddick and there’s 80% chance you know the play. 

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7 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Defense swarming to the ball and making tackles, oline clearing lanes, and kerryon getting the work he deserves. Golladay with yet another td called back, his overall numbers would look great otherwise. Very efficient on offense, we punted 1 time that I remember but I haven’t actually looked. Disciplined football, not too many penalties (again, stream of thought and haven’t looked at the actual numbers.) 

I really hope we keep using KJ more. He is clearly the best back, and is also versatile. We bring in Blount or riddick and there’s 80% chance you know the play. 

Yes, that was the other thing that stood out. Golladay had a quiet day (he was mostly shadowed by Howard, plus none of the Lions WRs did much), but on a couple of the catches he did make, including the negated TD, his hands were just so impressive. Dude goes and GETS the ball.

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12 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Well...looks like KJ has finally solved the no running game problems.

I love KJ.  But the difference to my eyes is blocking.

Yes, I just said the Lions OL was doing its job.  It has been a rare day in my life that I could type that sentence.

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39 minutes ago, matuski said:

I love KJ.  But the difference to my eyes is blocking.

Yes, I just said the Lions OL was doing its job.  It has been a rare day in my life that I could type that sentence.

Line is playing better. Looked great yesterday. Still, that doesn't explain the difference between Kerryon's and Blount's production.

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4 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Line is playing better. Looked great yesterday. Still, that doesn't explain the difference between Kerryon's and Blount's production.

To be clear, I am not arguing against KJ.

Their production is not apples apples, however.  Blount's role by definition changes his expected production. 

When you get the ball in short yardage/known run situations.. you are going to get short yards.

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Such a different team than what we saw week 1. A Lions offense that can run effectively is essentially Rams or Chiefs - lite. 

Next 5 weeks tell us everything: vs Seattle, @ Minnesota, @ Chicago, vs Carolina, vs Chicago on Turkey Day. I think they can beat the Seahawks if they defense the running game more or less like this game. Similar to Carolina & McCaffrey, though it's harder to say how they'll fare there, given the Panthers looked dead for 3 quarters and still won. At the Vikes is probably a loss, but if we cover Thielen well it could be close. The two Bears games depend partially on Mack's health. Chicago lost to NE on special teams more than anything, but definitely have still looked beatable (by Detroit) the last 2 games.

After that you have an almost sure loss vs the Rams, and hopefully wins @ Arizona & Buffalo before two more division games the final two weeks. So, penciling in them at  5-4, they need to go at least 3-2 the next 5 to have any playoff hopes, and maybe better to truly make in it. Then again right now 10 of the 16 NFC teams are .500 or below (leaving the Packers currently #6 at 3-2-1), so it's not like the field isn't open.

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42 minutes ago, Mt. Man said:

Such a different team than what we saw week 1. A Lions offense that can run effectively is essentially Rams or Chiefs - lite. 

Next 5 weeks tell us everything: vs Seattle, @ Minnesota, @ Chicago, vs Carolina, vs Chicago on Turkey Day. I think they can beat the Seahawks if they defense the running game more or less like this game. Similar to Carolina & McCaffrey, though it's harder to say how they'll fare there, given the Panthers looked dead for 3 quarters and still won. At the Vikes is probably a loss, but if we cover Thielen well it could be close. The two Bears games depend partially on Mack's health. Chicago lost to NE on special teams more than anything, but definitely have still looked beatable (by Detroit) the last 2 games.

After that you have an almost sure loss vs the Rams, and hopefully wins @ Arizona & Buffalo before two more division games the final two weeks. So, penciling in them at  5-4, they need to go at least 3-2 the next 5 to have any playoff hopes, and maybe better to truly make in it. Then again right now 10 of the 16 NFC teams are .500 or below (leaving the Packers currently #6 at 3-2-1), so it's not like the field isn't open.

My only critique here is that your forecast by teams is probably way off.

The Lions we know will go out and beat Seattle, Minnesota, Carolina, Chicago.  Then lose to Buffalo and AZ.

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20 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

I have to say I was impressed the last 3 weeks.I hope I eat a lot of crow on this coaching staff. 

They still might only finish 8-8 but I think they have the right HC in place finally. I have been watching him on the sidelines and how the players respond to him and how he is always coaching. Caldwell never said a word during the game.

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2 hours ago, Da Guru said:

They still might only finish 8-8 but I think they have the right HC in place finally. I have been watching him on the sidelines and how the players respond to him and how he is always coaching. Caldwell never said a word during the game.

Hands on guy, works them hard, and works hard himself. Plus he ain’t afraid of having fun.

6 weeks ago everyone was saying he was losing the team.

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10 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Hands on guy, works them hard, and works hard himself. Plus he ain’t afraid of having fun.

6 weeks ago everyone was saying he was losing the team.

I know I reacted heavily and I didn't like Patricia to begin with. It was probably the worst loss and most pathetic effort I can remember from the Lions in a long time. However, things are looking promising. 

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11 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

I know I reacted heavily and I didn't like Patricia to begin with. It was probably the worst loss and most pathetic effort I can remember from the Lions in a long time.

Two weeks later came what was the most complete Lions victory any of us can remember versus the Patriots. That’s the nature of the Not For Long league. Up becomes down, down becomes up. Every year there are less than a handful of really good teams - rn it’s like the Rams, Chiefs, Saints and that’s about it. A few more (Pats? Vikings?) might emerge from th sea of mediocrity. 

I defended Caldwell as a good man but never felt like he could take us from 9-11 wins to home playoff games & playoff byes. Not sure we have the personnel - and we had a lousy start - to accomplish that in 2018. But I’m hopeful Quinn & Patricia will make a deep run before the window closes on Stafford.

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Liond add "Snacks"

Run stuffer extraordinaire

The 6-foot-3, 340-pound veteran from tiny William Penn University in Iowa is perennially one of the best run defenders in the NFL. Harrison earned first-team All-Pro honors in 2016 with a career-high 86 tackles in his first year with the Giants after signing as a coveted free agent from the crosstown rival Jets.

He has 31 tackles in seven games in 2018 as a 4-3 nose tackle. “Snacks” plays the 0- or 1-technique almost exclusively and does have experience in both three- and four-man defensive fronts. The 30-year-old is tied for second in the NFL in run stops per Pro Football Focus, a figure that measures quality and importance of tackling success vs. the run. He led the NFL in that category in each of the last three seasons.

Contract

Harrison is in the third year of a five-year, $46.3 million contract he signed with the Giants. He is on the books for a $6.75 million salary in 2019 and $9 million in 2020. Because of the time lapsed on the deal, the Lions could get out of it without a major cap hit if they choose. He has nonguaranteed workout bonuses of $250,000 each year, but the Giants are responsible for the remainder of his $8 million signing bonus.

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14 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Liond add "Snacks"

Run stuffer extraordinaire

The 6-foot-3, 340-pound veteran from tiny William Penn University in Iowa is perennially one of the best run defenders in the NFL. Harrison earned first-team All-Pro honors in 2016 with a career-high 86 tackles in his first year with the Giants after signing as a coveted free agent from the crosstown rival Jets.

He has 31 tackles in seven games in 2018 as a 4-3 nose tackle. “Snacks” plays the 0- or 1-technique almost exclusively and does have experience in both three- and four-man defensive fronts. The 30-year-old is tied for second in the NFL in run stops per Pro Football Focus, a figure that measures quality and importance of tackling success vs. the run. He led the NFL in that category in each of the last three seasons.

Contract

Harrison is in the third year of a five-year, $46.3 million contract he signed with the Giants. He is on the books for a $6.75 million salary in 2019 and $9 million in 2020. Because of the time lapsed on the deal, the Lions could get out of it without a major cap hit if they choose. He has nonguaranteed workout bonuses of $250,000 each year, but the Giants are responsible for the remainder of his $8 million signing bonus.

Seriously perfect get. Exactly what they needed and under contract for a few more years. 5th round pick? Oh hell yeah. Our version of Butch Woolfork.

Clog that middle and let Jarrad Davis run laterally and I see a significant improvement soon. I think we are one draft away from very serious contention.

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On 10/23/2018 at 11:27 AM, Ilov80s said:

I know I reacted heavily and I didn't like Patricia to begin with. It was probably the worst loss and most pathetic effort I can remember from the Lions in a long time. However, things are looking promising. 

The Jets loss stings big on the overall record and in our minds. Horrible intro to Matty Patty football, however we can thank the Jets for letting us know that we were tipping plays and things have been a lot different since then. A lesson learned for an OC and perhaps the franchise QB that next level football requires continuous change and adjustments to stay ahead of the curve.

What I'm seeing now are some of the most complete team efforts I can remember. With nobody running away with the division, it's all right there in front of them.

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6 minutes ago, Futz said:

The Jets loss stings big on the overall record and in our minds. Horrible intro to Matty Patty football, however we can thank the Jets for letting us know that we were tipping plays and things have been a lot different since then. A lesson learned for an OC and perhaps the franchise QB that next level football requires continuous change and adjustments to stay ahead of the curve.

What I'm seeing now are some of the most complete team efforts I can remember. With nobody running away with the division, it's all right there in front of them.

And you also got one of their best players in the past decade today in Harrison. For a fifth from the other NY team. I took out a thread on him this morning. He grades out fourth against the run among all eligible interior linemen for Pro Football Focus. He'll clog the middle in Patricia's scheme for sure. You guys run a 3-4 now? 

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36 minutes ago, rockaction said:

And you also got one of their best players in the past decade today in Harrison. For a fifth from the other NY team. I took out a thread on him this morning. He grades out fourth against the run among all eligible interior linemen for Pro Football Focus. He'll clog the middle in Patricia's scheme for sure. You guys run a 3-4 now? 

It’s a hybrid scheme. We now have 2 of the top 10 PFF graded run stoppers in Snacks and rookie Hand.

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

It’s a hybrid scheme. We now have 2 of the top 10 PFF graded run stoppers in Snacks and rookie Hand.

Thanks, man. How is it hybrid, do you know off-handedly? Do they bring an LB up to the line or even two LBs like Wade Phillips does?  

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

Thanks, man. How is it hybrid, do you know off-handedly? Do they bring an LB up to the line or even two LBs like Wade Phillips does?  

They use a lot of different fronts. 4-3, 3-4, often 6 or even 7 DBs. There’s not really a base D. It’s fluid based on down, distance, opponent.

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Just now, matuski said:

Is it possible that in my lifetime the Lions have a good OL and DL?

They don’t much in the way of edge rushers but are generating a pass rush. If Ziggy could get healthy for the 2nd half of the year, it would be awfully exciting.

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6 hours ago, ffweasel said:

Huge get for Quinn and the Lions. The run D was horrible. I can’t wait until they acquire a healthy pass rusher in the offseason. 

It may be surprising, but the Lions are fourth in the league in sacks....I am getting excited by the Lions prospects this year.   Well balanced talented offense.  A defense with a very good secondary and now shiukd be better against the run.  Not the best team in the league by any stretch, but competitive.  

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saw the headline on Sirius the other day that Snacks got traded and thought to myself, 'why can't the lions ever do anything like this?'.  was a very happy man a few minutes later when I heard the details.  exactly what we needed for a nice price.  we are DE away from being a contender, IMO.  if Ziggy can ever get healthy, we can cause a lot of problems for a lot of teams

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Also, firing the O-line coach is the ultimate chicken**** move. Did Jeremiah Washburn draft those bums? It's like firing the Assembly Plant manager due to poor sales.

We need Martha to have a complete meltdown - fire Caldwell, Lewand & Mayhew on the flight home from London, turn over the team to Bill Jr, and move to Boca. Better yet, call Dan Gilbert to see how much of downtown Detroit he really wants to own.

So nice to not be pissed off at the team for a change.

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Going into this year I had my doubts about this team.  My doubts turned into nightmares after week one.  But right now, they are potentially the best Lion team in my lifetime.  Of course that just means they are capable of winning a playoff game or god forbid two.   It still won't even  be an easy task to even make the playoffs as any key injury would doom their hopes.  But right now going into week 8, this is a pretty good football team from coaching staff to special teams to offense and defense.  

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Last couple of weeks have really been great. This year looks difficult for making a playoff run, although it’s possible, but it’s next year I’m really excited about if we can add some pass rush at DE 

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3 hours ago, TartanLion said:

Last couple of weeks have really been great. This year looks difficult for making a playoff run, although it’s possible, but it’s next year I’m really excited about if we can add some pass rush at DE 

Agree about the future but I think there is some optimism for this year if we can get Ziggy back this year. He’s the DE we need to get us to the playoffs now. Big if, but we are getting sacks now, imagine what the Lions DLine could be doing with Ziggy. 

We have to win the next two games though to make up for the Jets/SanFran losses. 

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Lions fans is Slay expected to follow Baldwin when Baldwin lines up in the slot?

Also you guys got a great run stopper in Snacks, hated to see him leave the Giants.

Patricia must be doing something really good with Kennard, he only had 14 sacks in the 4 years he was with the Giants but has 5 already this season

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Went to the game today.  Was at Nemos bar and there was more  energy than I have felt in years..people were excited and pumped. Then to see the disgust in the 4th quarter was sad.  Lions fans are truly like a battered wife that keeps going back to her cheating husband.

Russell Wilson played very well today. When Stafford is forced left it is bad news....and right sometimes.

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