drunkenmonks
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Detroit Lions.Rebuilding since 1957....
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2024 Detroit Lions: Getting ready for the draft in Motown. (19 Viewers)
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Lions have "very strong interest" in Whisenhunt.
He seems like the obvious choice for the Lions, and even if he gets multiple offers the Lions should be the obvious choice for him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The Captain
Footballguy
Would Wiz's D coordinator in AZ be a good fit in Detroit. If memory serves, their D was pretty solid.
You mean Todd Bowles? He may end up with his own HC job.
Actually, that raises a good point. I haven't heard anything about which, if any, of Schwartz's assistants might be retained. I wouldn't be totally opposed to Cunningham coming back. I think he's done an OK job with the personnel he's had.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions 16th ranked D so pretty average imo. Offense ended up 6th ranked and seems to get a lot more flak.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Wasn't Bowles interviewed by Detroit for the HC position when they ended up with Schwartz?
The Captain
Footballguy
You're right. Misread the question. And yes, both Horton and Bowles are under consideration for HC roles, although it would be surprising if Horton got one.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
That would be the St. Louis Rams there...In keeper FF I used to clean up with Holt & Faulk.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Gunner is rumored to be going with Schwartz to Clev, assuming whoever they pick for HC doesn't veto that. Interesting that they would even consider bringing on coordinators/staff before having a HC in place, but whatever works for them.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I think so. Mayhew, Whisenhunt and Bowles were all teammates on the Redskins in 1989-90, so there's definitely a connection between the three.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Offense was 6th in yards, but tied for 2nd in turnovers. Advanced stats will rank the offense a lot lower - DVOA puts the Lions 19th in offense and 14th in defense.
jurb26
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Love Wiz for the Lions. I thought Schwartz was as bad a coach as there was in the league.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
That quote came from when he was asked about working with a dedicated QB guru like Steve Clarkson or George Whitfield, someone outside the Lions organization. Somehow that's been warped into the idea that he rejects all coaching from everyone.
He'll obviously work with whoever the Lions hire.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am glad Schwartz is gone but I think he served a purpose for the organization. He just is not the one to take them to the next level. I think he provided an initial spark however that spark never developed flame and now is just a terrible smokey burn smell. He will never see another head coaching job again but I could see him making a positive difference as a DC again.massraider said:
johnadams
Footballguy
This is a team that is primed for a massive turnaround. Personnel wise, DET is much better than 19/14, though I;m not a big advanced stats guy. If they get this hire right, then look out.
It's easy to forget now, but for the first three years, Schwartz did exactly what you would want a coach to do in a rebuilding situation -- steadily improved win totals, made the playoffs. It all fell apart the last two years, and there is the fact that he made them so damn undisciplined and unlikeable, but that doesn't detract from what he did accomplish.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lions roster top to bottom stacks up with many of the current playoff teams. They have a nice draft slot to really improve as well. It's the Lions so all bets are off, but this team has to be awfully exciting to a potential head coach.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The players loved Schwartz. The HC can only do so much. Reggie Bush cost the Lions 2 wins with fumbles, Stafford blew at least 2 games with horrible INTs. Sam Martin the punter blew the Bengal by shanking a punt 15 yards very late in the game. The Ravens do not score a TD and win with a 61 yard FG as the clock expired. Nick Fairley kept a drive alive that cost the Lions a game by jumping off sides twice.
That being said it appears his time was done in Detroit, but the players have to play.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You knew Schwartz was done when they lost the Pittsburgh game after the fake field goal. His post game rant about how, "you can write whatever you want about me, but you can never say I was scared" was to me, a sign that mentally, he had lost control of the situation.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Schwartz will be a DC again. Hell, the Lions are paying him for 2 years so they should have just demoted him to DC.
lod01
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
When you are known as a "players coach" & the players stop playing well for you it doesn't take much to connect the dots...
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If he answered the other way and said, "yes, I would really be excited to work with a QB coach", it would basically be an admittance that he isn't totally confident in what he is doing and that he needs fixing.
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This is pure speculation, but it feels like Schwartz is the kind of "players coach" who engenders loyalty by cultivating an us-vs-the-world attitude among his players (Schiano seems like another). In addition to the fact that that seemed to compound Suh's issues, you're right that things can fall apart once the players start to conclude the coach is full of BS.Leroy Hoard said:
Contrast that with the other type of players coach -- the quietly confident type (Dungy, Lovie Smith). That approach is not without its drawbacks, but it does seem like there's less of a risk that you'll lose the locker room.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Bill Cowher's not coaching anywhere. Todd Bowles said no thanks to an interview. Jay Gruden is unsure if he wants a shot at the job.
Not exactly an attractive situation; I guess you could say it's a challenge, I think most view it as a coaches graveyard. That's the Ford history. But I don't think there's another job out there where you can take the current roster (or at least the bulk of the core) and be a playoff contender right out of the gate.
MLive has been profiling possible candidates (not sure which are realistic possibilities):
What's the talk on local radio around the D?
Not exactly an attractive situation; I guess you could say it's a challenge, I think most view it as a coaches graveyard. That's the Ford history. But I don't think there's another job out there where you can take the current roster (or at least the bulk of the core) and be a playoff contender right out of the gate.
MLive has been profiling possible candidates (not sure which are realistic possibilities):
- Ray Horton, Browns DC
- Bob Stoops, OU
- David Shaw, Stanford
- Jack Del Rio, Broncos DC
- Ken Wisenhunt, Cardinals OC (interview requested by 4 of the 5 teams looking for a HC)
- James Franklin, Vanderbilt
- Jim Caldwell, Ravens OC
- Mike Zimmer, Bengals DC
What's the talk on local radio around the D?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions will be rooting for the chargers to lose this weekend so they can speed up the process.
Phenix
Footballguy
I'm not complaining, since I want them to hire Whiz, but how does that work exactly? Hours before the biggest game of the season, aren't all the coaches spending 24/7 on prep? How do you take time out of that to prepare and then interview for a job with a different team? Reports are that Caldwell showed up for his Lions interview and proceeded to analyze every throw Stafford made this past season. No way Whiz has time to do that.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Caldwell, Kubiak & Munchak have interviewed, Wisenhunt reportedly will be interviewed in San Diego Thursday night.
Four offensive minded candidates, all with HC experience.
Four offensive minded candidates, all with HC experience.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Larry Warford named offensive rookie of year by PFF; 3 other Lions make all-rookie team.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/01/larry_warford_named_offensive.html
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/01/larry_warford_named_offensive.html
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If it's feared from the context of they don't want to play against me and they are worried about how I may affect the game and affect the offense, it's definitely appreciated," Suh told ESPN.com. "It's definitely seen as a plus and a positive. Guys have respect for you, just like guys have respect for Calvin.
"I'm surprised I edged him out, but hopefully I don't have to edge him out and we can just be co-winners. I prefer that."
lol, dude does sounds awful scary with that tough guy attitude.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Guys are scared of CJ because they know they can't cover him. Guys are scared of Suh because they know he wants to hurt them and is so strong that they can't stop him if he decides to.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Wisenhunt getting on a plane to San Diego or Detroit tonight?
Are you kidding? Mayhew should have been standing on the sideline, contract in hand, waiting for the final gun.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Mike O'Hara looks back at the Lions 2013 draft:
http://tinyurl.com/lhf6pp7
Other than Slay (CB) in the 2nd - and he may develope - it was a very good draft. Add in TE Joseph Fauria (7 TDs) and RT LaAdrian Waddle(9 GS) as UDFAs, the Lions got outstanding production from this class.
http://tinyurl.com/lhf6pp7
Other than Slay (CB) in the 2nd - and he may develope - it was a very good draft. Add in TE Joseph Fauria (7 TDs) and RT LaAdrian Waddle(9 GS) as UDFAs, the Lions got outstanding production from this class.
